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Why is it that because we do XC we get called pussies?
I mean,
we're the ones that don't have armour when we stack, we're the ones that don't have a chair lift or a vehicle to take us to the top of hills. It frustrates me that because we do XC, we get labelled as a pussy!
I enjoy doing some beginner tricks, I would like to do more, I would like to try fourcross and downhill someday, but still, what's so pussy about doing XC?
I've seen some downhill and freeriders get exhausted riding up hills I don't have too much of a problem on.
Wasn't XC like, the first kind of MTB riding anyway?
It could be said that shuttle DH'ing, or "freeriding" is where MTBs all began... but the sport did explode with XC riding.
XC riders get respect from me, to ride flat out the whole race, on the edge of physical endurance, is pretty full on. Just a shame about that lycra, and the puny ~60kg builds alot have.
I wouldn't worry about what others think, damnit, I'm still a roadie deep down... just ride for yourself and don't give a shit about what others think. And if someone wants to diss you, just let them be, and laugh when you pass them while they're walking back up the hill ;)
notb4dinner
16-03-2004, 09:38 PM
I'm yet to come across an adult rider who holds that attitude.
jays_5000
16-03-2004, 09:39 PM
I don't have a problem with XC riders, most of them are nice and when I'm pushing my rig to the top and group pass me they all say g'day, hows it goin'.
Great fellas.
I think the whole pussy thing is about the style of riding in general and a highlight of the word hardcore.
I mean there is nothing dangerous about riding up a hill and not being stuffed, and the speed which Downhillers travel at compared to XC riders, you have to agree with me that even with all that armour, it's got to be a hell of alot more dangerous than XC.
lol, yeah, thanks for the reassurance, Rik :P
Yeah, I got into riding because I love it, I feel like I achieve stuff going up hills, and then enjoy the ride down. I got into riding because I was really overweight, and wanted exercise that was fun! 15kilos lost through low-carb dieting and XC riding, I'm not so overweight now and its because of this great sport!
I enjoy it, it helped me in return, why should I get paid out for it?
I guess its not all riders who pay out XC peeps, but its still annoying.
I'm yet to come across an adult rider who holds that attitude.
Which attitude?
Yeah, I was just pointing it out. Of course I agree DH is dangerous, hence the armour, I'm just saying, no one is a pussy for whatever style of riding they do! It's ridiculous that people in one style pay out people in other style.
BrumbyJack
16-03-2004, 10:05 PM
Of course I agree DH is dangerous, hence the armour, I'm just saying, no one is a pussy for whatever style of riding they do! It's ridiculous that people in one style pay out people in other style.
Aint that the truth :D
Both have their challenges, both are different. One would hope you can do both!!!!
We downhill ski and we XC ski, we downhill MTB and we XC MTB.... (OK, so my kids DH much better than me in both).
I guess 4X or freeride is the MTB equivalent of Moguls and Big Air, so the kids have that covered as well :lol:
Bugger, what can match snowboarding :lol:
Being a "pussy" because you ride XC and aren't some supermadcore DHer? All depends what you define as "wimpish" and "ballsy".
Neither one of them is more "pussy" than the other in the end, they just have their chosen disciplines... XC riders on the edge of their pain threshold for hours, DH riders on the edge of control at high speeds, each to their own, as long as they enjoy what they do, and realise it doesn't make them superior to other riders in other disciplines.
XC definately get my respect
i did an XC race last year, its farkin hard to go down a hill with your seat up your arse when youre absolutely buggered then pedal back up the hill again and repear a few times with no rear suspension (or hardly any)
plus a noodle for a fork
i think ppl call it pussy cause (you gotta admit) it doesnt look very spectacular, and non bike ppl think its just like road riding but on an off road path (nothin against road ridin i wouldnt wanna be doing 100km/h on a 20mm piece of rubber)
doesnt have the Xtreme :roll: Appeal of jumps, gaps and high speed
peachy
16-03-2004, 10:29 PM
xc is where most people began riding, well not xc but just overall trail riding: anyone who calls a xc rider a pussy is a hypocrite, cuz the chances are that person started out xcing.
respect to xc rider, i'm building up an xc machine at the moment - its great fun and theres a nice sense of achievement after u've pedalled up a massive hill
*RESPECTA to all the xc rider*
people who call others a pussy are stupid, because there will always be someone more hardc0re than them. eg
xc rider calls road rider pussy
aggressive trail rider calls xc rider pussy
downhill rider calls aggressive trail rider AND xc rider pussy
freestyle moto rider jumps over them all and yells "your a pussy"
and it goes ON and ON and ON
"don't hate, relate. don't shove, just love"
if we all loved then there'd be no hate :)
dumb 01
16-03-2004, 11:17 PM
people who call others a pussy are stupid, because there will always be someone more hardc0re than them.
and it goes ON and ON and ON
well said, i agree
whats to say an xc rider isnt a really good dh rider anyway, ie just because you ride xc doesnt make you softer than any dh rider.
rider skill is rider skill no matter what form your riding.
schmook
17-03-2004, 12:27 AM
a non-mtbing friend asked me today if i thought if some downhillers were no different to people who cut themselves on purpose.
I love my downhill, and if I had a big fat dh rig I'd be slamming my body down the sides of mountains at any opportunity...
but her comment made me think, downhilling is a great sport for the borderlines and those with a death wish!
Fat_Ride
17-03-2004, 03:04 AM
I have no problem at all with XC riders... I used to race a fair bit of XC and the only thing I didn't like about it was the lack of social contact afterwards etc.
I would suggest heading down to the pub for a beer or two and the other guys would want to go home and hit the special juices, the ice packs etc etc....
We all want to have fun with what we're doing and that is why I switched over to the more social sport of DH, freeriding, etc.
I'm only going to mention one name - John Tomac.
.....has crossed over into both road racing and mountain bike racing, excelling at them both..........
...He has won more mountain bike racers than anyone in the sport, and done so at every level and in all aspects: cross-country, uphill, downhill, even trials....
junior
17-03-2004, 06:41 AM
the people that give XC riders shit are tools. after all the pros do XC. they usally cant ride for crap aswell :)
Toxic
17-03-2004, 07:06 AM
It's the lycra. No man looks good in skin tight lycra. :shock:
BrumbyJack
17-03-2004, 07:51 AM
I could argue your point Toxic, but then I'm a girl ;)
I'm yet to come across an adult rider who holds that attitude.
Which attitude?
i think notb4dinner was trying to imply that its generally the younger more immature people who call xc riders pussies.
notb4dinner
17-03-2004, 09:38 AM
I'm yet to come across an adult rider who holds that attitude.
Which attitude?
i think notb4dinner was trying to imply that its generally the younger more immature people who call xc riders pussies.
Spot on. Note: I'm not implying ALL younger riders hold the 'DH is madcorez, XC is for pussys' attitude, just that it seems to be limited to them.
carbonboy
17-03-2004, 10:08 AM
i do and race both xc and dh
xc gives you more riding for your buck.
dh awakes the testerone
I'm no 60kg xc speed freak but doing both gives me the option of all types of riding with all types of people.
and a good excuse for collecting more bikes.
Watch a good xc guy on a downhill section and it'l blow your mind. And try the same after exerting yourself for ages and the respect grows.
cam-o
17-03-2004, 10:19 AM
Watch a good xc guy on a downhill section and it'l blow your mind. And try the same after exerting yourself for ages and the respect grows.
Exactly. There are heaps of XC dudes that learn to descend with flat bars and high seat posts, put them on a DH rig and the results are often pretty impressive. Plus there are heaps of 'hardcore' DH riders doing plenty of XC, Josh Street and Jamie Green doing solo 24 hour for example.
junior
17-03-2004, 12:51 PM
u find alot of the little allbie kids giving alot of XC riders shit, even thoy most xc are mad riders.
big_pete
17-03-2004, 01:11 PM
and most of the allambie kids have xc bikes
junior
17-03-2004, 01:14 PM
and most of the allambie kids have xc bikes
LOL, and they cant ride aswell :roll:
im an every type of rider so everyone gets my respect and no bagging out.
Fat_Ride
17-03-2004, 01:51 PM
We also have to look at what the XC riders are probably saying about us!!!
It's all crap.. at the end of the day we all have pedals, wheels and a seat and ride through the bush!!! love it or like it the only real diffrence is the grade we're riding on!!
Velophile
17-03-2004, 02:12 PM
I have no problem at all with XC riders... I used to race a fair bit of XC and the only thing I didn't like about it was the lack of social contact afterwards etc.
I would suggest heading down to the pub for a beer or two and the other guys would want to go home and hit the special juices, the ice packs etc etc....
The race & beer combo is big (almost compulsory) in the singlespeed scene.
Here in Melb the Tuesday night dirt crits finish with beers, included in your $5 race entry. It's a pity the season ends next week. :(
Hmmm... Night Dirt Crits... bring your lights..... hmmm
hardtail hero
17-03-2004, 02:35 PM
i used to do some xc, its hard - trying to decend on a bike that handles like crap when ur completely stuffed. but man ive heard some ####### in xc goin on about 30cm 'drops'.!?
30cm is nothing. Who was going on about that?
Thats the size of the steps in the Thredbo Division 1 technical section.
Yeah I'm going to give Downhill a go, because I really enjoyed the 'going-down-the-hill' part of the XC course.
AND I want to do more other riding, like DJing, but I'm freaked out by gap jumps - I fear not making it etc :S
alexMc
17-03-2004, 02:59 PM
I dont have a problem with xc people good on them it'd be friken hard i rekon
I think the same about DH riders as well, alexMc.
But everyone started somewhere, so I'm gunna probably give DH a go in April.
BrumbyJack
17-03-2004, 07:18 PM
Get down a few days early and go and do some clinics with Raw NRG and you will be flying down the mountain before you know it :D
Jordy
17-03-2004, 07:23 PM
xc riders are still riders... i'd say the pussy-xc rider stereotype comes from them shaving there legs and wearing lycra...
Mr Pants
18-03-2004, 10:04 AM
An inspiration to all of you are two local guys: Paul Rowney and Rob Eva.
Paul Rowney has been racing internationally for years, parties harder than a pack of you kids combined, gets up the next morning and spanks the hell out of all but 2 or 3 of the keenest, cleanest dorks out there.
His skills on the bike are awesome, pulling decent air, wheelies, manuals, stoppies and pivot turns during "serious" XC races.
The guy rocks.
Rob Eva is the John Tomac of Oz (kids google for Tomac if you don't know :roll:) He was XC and DH national champ at the same time for fricken years and still rocks despite being in his late 30's. He still wins his age group in at nationals XC and DH every year.
These guys are where it's at, marginalising yourself as a "flearider" or "downhiller" is just dumb and narrow minded. The best riders can do anything because all the skills in riding complement each other. XC fitness will make you pedal faster in DH, DH skills will make you faster in XC.
Current national XC champion Sid Taberlay use to be a DH'er, 2nd place Chris Jongewaard use to race BMX. 'Nuff said.
Mr Pants.
Singlespeeder and brewed beverage taster. :wink:
xc riders are still riders... i'd say the pussy-xc rider stereotype comes from them shaving there legs and wearing lycra...
I don't know you've got to be pretty tough to take the shit when shaving your legs. I know years ago, before shaving your whole bloody body was normal :? , I used to cop heaps of shit for having shaved legs.
BrumbyJack
18-03-2004, 11:28 AM
The best riders can do anything because all the skills in riding complement each other. XC fitness will make you pedal faster in DH, DH skills will make you faster in XC.
Mr Pants.
Singlespeeder and brewed beverage taster. :wink:
I second that comment :D
And I will be taking your advice on the Google search ;) even though I just new, not young :D
I could argue your point Toxic, but then I'm a girl ;)
I thought you were a guy...
*runs*
Yeah, I think my XC riding might help DH riding if I get into it.
So I'll keep at it, trying new stuff :)
BrumbyJack
18-03-2004, 10:15 PM
I could argue your point Toxic, but then I'm a girl ;)
I thought you were a guy...
*runs*
That's normal :lol: most people do because of my name ;)
It shouldn't change anything on a DB anyway, people should be nice to everyone :D
schmook
18-03-2004, 11:35 PM
I'm yet to come across an adult rider who holds that attitude.
Which attitude?
i think notb4dinner was trying to imply that its generally the younger more immature people who call xc riders pussies.
Been to www.sticksandstones.com
well stik is Oldddddddd. well a little older than 25 i believe. not a fan of xc.
his webpage amuses me, by why the slag off at xc?
rowney should beat him up.
I'm yet to come across an adult rider who holds that attitude.
Which attitude?
i think notb4dinner was trying to imply that its generally the younger more immature people who call xc riders pussies.
Been to www.sticksandstones.com
well stik is Oldddddddd. well a little older than 25 i believe. not a fan of xc.
his webpage amuses me, by why the slag off at xc?
rowney should beat him up.
right, i don't get it... you just confused the crap out of me... might be coz i'm as drunk as a victorian uni student on a thursday night... OH :(
Gonzo
19-03-2004, 10:32 AM
Here are a few thoughts on lycra that just might change you minds.
I just can't say enough about spandex. I live in it and love in it. Although the feeling of wool against my thighs sets me a-quivering, the sight of my razor-sheared limbs sheathed in that shiny black fabric of the gods keeps me in a cubicle for a long time. You can't hate something that makes you love yourself. Lycra -- it's a condom you can wear all day long, every day.
Here are a few thoughts on lycra that just might change you minds.
I just can't say enough about spandex. I live in it and love in it. Although the feeling of wool against my thighs sets me a-quivering, the sight of my razor-sheared limbs sheathed in that shiny black fabric of the gods keeps me in a cubicle for a long time. You can't hate something that makes you love yourself. Lycra -- it's a condom you can wear all day long, every day.
LOL!
That's new to me.. condom you can wear all day all long eh? haha
Cúl-Báire
20-03-2004, 11:37 AM
LOL. I think it's just the kidddies that give us shit... Most of us can Out ride them anyways. I have yet to find an older (18+) person to rag out on XC ridders or racers. It's a little thing called respect :roll:
It's the same with everything really... When playing hockey I got raged out because I'm a goalie and apparently goalies cant skate... Thats why I scored numerious goals (a hat trick once even) playing as a player... Stupid kids! It's always the ones with little skill that have to rag out others. :x
That said there are some serious XC wankers out there; I can name quiet a few... But there are some great guys an gurls out there too :D
olsson
20-03-2004, 11:59 PM
well, I suppose from my POV.
When someone says XC riders are pussys. They refur to the fact that when you watch like NWD, Kranded etc. You watch people throw themselves of cliffs and hope for the best. Some with skill... some without *cough "bender" cough*.
But in all respect. I belive XC is one of the hardest riding to do. THe physical enduance of continual riding non-stop for a long time is teadous, I mean i'm lucky enough to stand for 5 hours at coles before I give it. Thats just standing!
But in real context. I would only bagg out an XC rider, if I knew them! I would say it as a joke nothing more.
I tried XC, to hard. But I seemed to beable to keep the endurance up. But props to them all!!
XC, DH ,Trials ,Road ,BMX. I love all disciplines, and if ya havent experienced one, just dont dis it!. Remember what you say and do has an effect on the people who you say or do it to! PEACE.
Emerin
21-03-2004, 12:50 AM
I could argue your point Toxic, but then I'm a girl ;)
I'm with you there. As for XC being wussy or whatever...i'd have to say Rik's comment was the most correct. It is a differing dissapline. I mean, u don't need heaps or any armor when riding XC, so you tend to get, well in my VAST experience *cough* lost of lycra wearing peoples for the main reason it makes sense and is lighter and breaths more... BLAH. But i like XC more for the challenge it gives me... i ALWAYS find myself grunting up some hill and feeling so proud when i get there.. flying down it is just as fun, but for me, it isn't nearly as forfilling.
OK! PEOPLE! Come on, if you dont like Lycra dont wear it and if you do wear it.
It doesnt make you a bad person either way or less serious about racing or riding.
Rock the social norm where a Fat Cat suit next time you ride.
HeHe. :D
ruthlessgirl
21-03-2004, 01:21 AM
i never realy understood the whole loser rider thing, i mean everyone's riding somethign who cares... i think the thing that does do it is when a group of people riding a certain way take on a certain attitude that makes someone stereotype...
EX: where i work the majority of people are really cheap but want the best thing, woo hoo so does everyone, but for some reason the road guys seem to get mad at me the most because parts are expensive does that make me hate everyone who rides a road bike? nope, just those guys no deals for them! :)
on a side note, i have a xc bike, dh rig & a bmx so everyone can make fun of me if they want, I can play any way. :)
Yeah, I thinks that's all right!
Next time someone calls me a pussy:
"We both have two wheels, and we both ride"
ruthlessgirl
22-03-2004, 02:31 AM
i seem to remember hearing that in the US, off road riding started with some guys riding down hills on their single speeds... then they put gears on to get back up the hills!
personally it all started with some pennyfarthing that went off road prolly, and continues with just a bunch of people riding who said hmm wonder if that's possible? tried it, started making parts/gear so they could do different stuff, ta da! gears, suspension forks... etc!
wherever it started, wherever it's going, i just like to ride my bikes... different day, different ride, i can't complain - well except about not being able to ride at all...
Jordy
22-03-2004, 07:04 AM
Rob Eva is the John Tomac of Oz (kids google for Tomac if you don't know :roll:) He was XC and DH national champ at the same time for fricken years and still rocks despite being in his late 30's. He still wins his age group in at nationals XC and DH every year.
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he may have been a good ride but damn robs a fag
a fag? gee, noone would guess you're a prepubescent dribbler with well constructed wording like that.
a fag? gee, noone would guess you're a prepubescent dribbler with well constructed wording like that.
lol!
You use prepubescent alot dont you? :P
Ahh, but this is the internet, and one of the keys to being an internet toughguy is to ridicule people because of their age, proclaim your superiority due to it, and reinforce it every time you can. ;)
^ And that's why we made Rik a mod.
Paul Rowney has been racing internationally for years, parties harder than a pack of you kids combined, gets up the next morning and spanks the hell out of all but 2 or 3 of the keenest, cleanest dorks out there.
His skills on the bike are awesome, pulling decent air, wheelies, manuals, stoppies and pivot turns during "serious" XC races.
The guy rocks.
Word up, I've got a photo from an old AMB of Rowney throwing a massive 2-wheel drift through a corner on a skinny-tyred, high-seated, narrow-barred XC race bike. The old man's got skills and was 3rd? at the Nat's this year...respect.
As for calling Rob Eva a fag, consider the fact that he was National Champ in 2 disciplines before you'd even figured out how not to shit yourself child. Learn some fucking manners.
Rob Eva is the John Tomac of Oz (kids google for Tomac if you don't know :roll:) He was XC and DH national champ at the same time for fricken years and still rocks despite being in his late 30's. He still wins his age group in at nationals XC and DH every year.
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he may have been a good ride but damn robs a fag
Bullshit man, he's one of the coolest guys I've ever met. AND he can kick nearly everyone's arse on any given bike.
im similar to fuzzy xc riders are cool just stuff the losers who bag you because you ride xc they may have more skill because they can do big jumps but i bet you any xc rider is fitter than a jumper and would blow them away in a xc race
Yeah, thanks for all the posts fellas!
Its good to see that there are only a small amount of people that pay out XC riders :)
Sutek
07-04-2004, 10:28 AM
It's the whole perceived toughness/coolness/wankability that goes along with DH/Freeriding that is ultimately responsible for the whole XC - pussy thing.
They are two very different disciplines, both well respected within their own ranks and will always be seen that way.
The simple fact is, both are fucking fun, in their own way. I'm not the fittest karnt out there and tend to enjoy the lazy, but wide-eyed rush of flying DH and launching off shite I previously would have balked at.
But then we do get together, with the 'pussy bikes' and trundle off for epics, with lunch packed, and women to meet us at the end to cart our weary bodies off to the Pub for re-hydration. Hauling the long ones is simply awesome, especially when you push you limits and venture beyond your perceived capabilities, not to mention the sights you see!
However, if I do wear Lycra, it's conealed under my baggies! I feel comfortable with the extra protection of heavier shorts. Although...I do wear tight-ass dick pokers when clocking up kays on the Roadie...not a pretty sight! :wink:
FrEeRiDiNg-KiNgY
07-04-2004, 11:49 AM
i really have no problem with XC riders... i mean i used to be a XC until freeriding was more on scene,,, people say there pussys because they dont do huge drop or fly down nasty DH tracks,, y? maybe they dont want to!!! maybe there choice of XC is more interesting for them!!!! you dont see XC riders saying that freeriders are pussys, so y labell them as pussys
Mugger
10-04-2004, 12:34 PM
These guys are pushing themselves to the limits, so they get my respect.
luckyphil
10-04-2004, 06:30 PM
everyone saying "2 wheels, whats the diff?"
bullshit. 2 totally different aspects of sport.
dh is a more skills orientated sport.
whre as xc is more fitness.
dont say there teh same, thats bullshit.
the only reason someone like paul rowney is good at both is, he probably trained his arse off for both!
Avanti_Racing
10-04-2004, 07:35 PM
the only problem i have with the, well roadies, are is on the great vic, u have this bike with - to them chucnky tyres(26 x 1.95)- and whenevr u over take or go faster than them they crack the shits, and they walk around in nad hugging shorts even off the bike which scares me, but other than that i woudln't mind taking it up with dh, fitness and you dont have to heave a big bike round as much, if you wanna be a good dh rider or jumper you kinda have to do xc, but they i got nothing against em...its those dam old fogies road riders out there...
everyone saying "2 wheels, whats the diff?"
my take on that is cyclists should stick together - a la critical mass. i saw a cyclist copping shit from someone in a car the other day and it made me furious. i was itching to do something about it but unfortunately the traffic didn't allow me to do anything (lights turned grren). cyclists cop shit often, i just think why should we fight amongst ourselves as well. alot of you people should have a crack at road riding one day, it can be really exciting to say the least. many people enjoy a number of cycling disciplines. people you see commuting to work in lycra during the week, could very easily be ripping up the hills on the weekend.
...whenevr u over take or go faster than them they crack the shits...
...its those dam old fogies road riders out there...
ever tried speaking to these old fogies? i've heard some great stories from them. however as for your first comment on the great vic - i'd have to agree. thats just arrogance.
yeah we should all form an angry mob that way we could stop losing all our riding spots and the fogies are cool
notb4dinner
11-04-2004, 10:43 AM
dh is a more skills orientated sport.
whre as xc is more fitness.
dont say there teh same, thats bullshit.
Not exactly true, alot of XC racers are pretty damn skilled riders and it is important. Why? Because if you can ride rough terrain smoothly your using much less energy accelerating back upto speed plus your body's not getting as beat up.
luckyphil
11-04-2004, 11:35 AM
the only problem i have with the, well roadies, are is on the great vic, u have this bike with - to them chucnky tyres(26 x 1.95)- and whenevr u over take or go faster than them they crack the shits, and they walk around in nad hugging shorts even off the bike which scares me, but other than that i woudln't mind taking it up with dh, fitness and you dont have to heave a big bike round as much, if you wanna be a good dh rider or jumper you kinda have to do xc, but they i got nothing against em...its those dam old fogies road riders out there...
fair call notb4dinner. but psychodh, maybe the "old fogies" are old? ur basing your judgment on an entire group of people how a few people react! thats like saying "a black guy stole my tv: ALL BLACKS ARE CRIMINALS!!".
ya just cant do that, maybe the old guy was a dick. so what? get over it.
MrCove
11-04-2004, 01:19 PM
dh is skills based and xc is fittness?
bollocks
come on we all know riders who ride dh but can only blast through stuff 'cos of the 'talent copensators' fitted to the bike
luckyphil
11-04-2004, 01:41 PM
umm ok, we'll give u a Santa Cruz and see if you can win the world cup. u'll lose, why? because u dont have enough skill. u give a marathon runner a decent bike, and he might just do ok at xc, why? because its FITNESS based.
o, and i said ORIENTATED, obviously u need to have elements of both, its just that u need a different percentage of elements.
wombat
11-04-2004, 03:19 PM
umm ok, we'll give u a Santa Cruz and see if you can win the world cup. u'll lose, why? because u dont have enough skill. u give a marathon runner a decent bike, and he might just do ok at xc, why? because its FITNESS based.
Bullshit. They gave Lance Armstrong (a pretty fit bloke apparently...) a mtb and stuck him in an XC race and you know what? He got his ass kicked, simply because he couldn't handle the tech sections.
I also recall an interview with Scott Sharples (I'm pretty sure it was scott) in which he stated that he had ridden one of the WC downhill courses as part of a ride loop with Cadel Evans; they were both on XC bikes, and Scott said straight up that Cadel had hammered him. If you think XC riders are lacking in skill you're kidding yourself; you're doing a similar thing if you think top DHers aren't as fit as all f*ck.
luckyphil
11-04-2004, 03:56 PM
o, and i said ORIENTATED, obviously u need to have elements of both, its just that u need a different percentage of elements.
nice one eagle-eye.
wombat
11-04-2004, 05:06 PM
If you really want to argue semantics fine, but lets not clog the boards; if you want to get personal we can do that too.
I'm completely aware of your final statement, but if you want your comments to be interpreted in such a general way then don't go making specific statements like this:
u give a marathon runner a decent bike, and he might just do ok at xc, why? because its FITNESS based.
The fact remains that DH and XC at an elite level require much the same level of fitness, it's just a different type of fitness.
luckyphil
11-04-2004, 05:22 PM
fair call.
lol!
*Two cats jump out of trees and scratch at each other* REEEOOOWW!
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