View Full Version : your opinion on drops with any bike - do they reck it
trobb
12-06-2003, 03:33 PM
ive been told by numerous people that drops just screw ya bike even if you have a fair setup and even if their to a good tranny. has anyone ever snaped anything doing a drop? i dont do them that much so yea
curtisrider
12-06-2003, 03:42 PM
i don't agree with that i think that with bikes the more you pay the better quality bike u get.
my first bike which was an Apollo Ozark rrp$450 got bent forks/buckled rims from doing drops and jumps
my second bike a 2001 norco 250 rrp$3500 seemed to take drops with good trannies reasonably well aslong as they were less than about 5.5ft although it does not take drops to flat well
and my 3rd bike a 2000 giant team dh rrp$7000 takes drops really well i have had no problems with it and can take small drops to flat well (2.5ft anything bigger is stupid)
trobb
12-06-2003, 04:57 PM
you have a team? hows that going 4 u?
curtisrider
12-06-2003, 05:07 PM
it's really good haven't had much time to ride it but have done some drops and technical stuff and it seems to work fine.
trobb
12-06-2003, 05:09 PM
yer i was gonna get 1 but then it was ment to come in christmas last year and never did so i got an avanti instaed. its wiked
curtisrider
12-06-2003, 05:13 PM
what avanti?
notobe
12-06-2003, 05:17 PM
I think you mean wreck :P
CHEWY
12-06-2003, 05:23 PM
I think you mean wreck :P
hahaha tom does extra english... dont try and teach him how to spell.... 01 250 is talking about the 00 giant rob, which is just like cozzas, not the new ones.
trobb u know what i think about drops.....
he got the avanti D-8 01 250
trobb
12-06-2003, 05:31 PM
fuk chewy its take to long to ritw the full spelling write! happy
curtisrider
12-06-2003, 05:33 PM
I think you mean wreck :P
hahaha tom does extra english... dont try and teach him how to spell.... 01 250 is talking about the 00 giant rob, which is just like cozzas, not the new ones.
trobb u know what i think about drops.....
he got the avanti D-8 01 250
i did say 2000 team dh
perfor8r
12-06-2003, 05:36 PM
ive been told by numerous people that drops just screw ya bike even if you have a fair setup and even if their to a good tranny. has anyone ever snaped anything doing a drop? i dont do them that much so yea
Think it really also comes down to riding style. If you're hard on the landings, things will at some point wear down. Friend of mine has had his Santa Cruz Bullit for 3 years now and he's a hucker, never had any problems with it.
kalem
12-06-2003, 06:00 PM
Drops to flat are gonna eventually destroy any bike, drops to nice transitions, done with a bit of skill will not hurt the bike at all, even if its a cheapo kmart bike. Think about the forces, on a drop to flat the bike and body absorb ALL the downforce, hundreds of kilos if its a big drop. When you land on a downslope depending on the angle, the downforce just accelerates you forwards, uhh get it? I'm no physics expert but i hope people can figure this out themselves, it is logical isn't it? Though by the way a lot of kids on mtb forums talk it doesn't seem to make sense...
Drops to flat are gonna eventually destroy any bike, drops to nice transitions, done with a bit of skill will not hurt the bike at all, even if its a cheapo kmart bike. Think about the forces, on a drop to flat the bike and body absorb ALL the downforce, hundreds of kilos if its a big drop. When you land on a downslope depending on the angle, the downforce just accelerates you forwards, uhh get it? I'm no physics expert but i hope people can figure this out themselves, it is logical isn't it? Though by the way a lot of kids on mtb forums talk it doesn't seem to make sense...
Yeah that's right (mostly), your downwards force will be turned into forwards momentum (think of dropping into a quarterpipe), but you lose a fair bit of that in impact, and the steeper the landing (or the more closely aligned to your exact direction of movement), the smoother the landing will be.
Drops to flat though... dodgy. Trials riders can do em safely/properly, but 99% of people (me included) are just gonna wreck stuff doing em.
kalem
12-06-2003, 06:14 PM
Drops to flat are gonna eventually destroy any bike, drops to nice transitions, done with a bit of skill will not hurt the bike at all, even if its a cheapo kmart bike. Think about the forces, on a drop to flat the bike and body absorb ALL the downforce, hundreds of kilos if its a big drop. When you land on a downslope depending on the angle, the downforce just accelerates you forwards, uhh get it? I'm no physics expert but i hope people can figure this out themselves, it is logical isn't it? Though by the way a lot of kids on mtb forums talk it doesn't seem to make sense...
Yeah that's right (mostly), your downwards force will be turned into forwards momentum (think of dropping into a quarterpipe), but you lose a fair bit of that in impact, and the steeper the landing (or the more closely aligned to your exact direction of movement), the smoother the landing will be.
Drops to flat though... dodgy. Trials riders can do em safely/properly, but 99% of people (me included) are just gonna wreck stuff doing em.
i tried to keep at as simple as possible... :wink:
CHEWY
12-06-2003, 10:58 PM
fuk chewy its take to long to ritw the full spelling write! happy
ur a tripper
Well I have wrecked my 02 Giant Rincon doing 5 foot drop to flat with it, the threading in the crankarms is destroyed, I've snapped numerous hangers, getting a quality bike that is designed for that sort of riding will reduce if not eliminate it it if it is carried out with some skill... I got a 01 P3 ATM and it is riding much better than any other bike I have touched.
Supersnipes
13-06-2003, 05:13 AM
Drops dont wreck you bike if you are smooth. Either that or if you have a a good full squish.
fastrider gus
13-06-2003, 01:16 PM
yea.. whoever told you that drops are bad trobbie me mate.. is a dipshit... seriously... people winge about drops because they either cant do them for sh!t or they are just realy bad at them and always break stuff...
drops farkin rule... YOU CANT DENY THAT THEY FARKIN RULE OK!!!
if you do ill hunt you down and chop of your old fella with a pair of rusty sissors :evil: :evil: :evil:
perfor8r
13-06-2003, 01:45 PM
somone take Gus's scissors away!
LMAO
Drops dont wreck you bike if you are smooth. Either that or if you have a a good full squish.
Bullshit, dropping to flat is about the worst thing you can do to your bike. Try landing a "good full squish" smoothly from 8ft up onto flat concrete... in fact try landing ANY bike smoothly from that high. A few of the top trials riders can do it and not break stuff, but the other 99.99% of riders can't.
To tranny, that's a different story.
fastrider gus
13-06-2003, 02:04 PM
yea.. flat drops are totally stupid.. i was talkin about drops to trannies.. on the dirt... they rule.. i still have my sisors handy too.. watch it...
Supersnipes
14-06-2003, 03:53 AM
Hey socket, I was talking about drops to tranny. I agree, drops to flat are realy dumb. THey do wreck your bike but drops to trannys dont if you are smooth.
fastrider gus
14-06-2003, 04:26 PM
BOOOH YEA!!
crozza
17-06-2003, 04:35 PM
[mod:Ty] we're just not going to deal with lanuage like that here
fastrider gus
17-06-2003, 06:03 PM
haha.. crozza you knobba.. "naah drops suck!!" (trobb)
you joined the computer squad~!
my HT is taking drops fine exept for my psylos which are shit anyway, thats why im upgrading soon (psylos dont like 40X15foot roadgaps :P). once i have my bike all sorted out basicly nothing will break it. but i will have spent about $4000 getting it setup nicely (ontop of the price i payed for it....actually....the only part i have left of the original bike is the XT disc). i think thats a considerable amount for a HT lol
bazza
24-06-2003, 10:10 PM
crackers 8ft to concerte. owww that would hurt. but yeah casing that high onto a built up tranny would hurt even more. and wreck your bike even more. but a really smooth tranny dont feel thattttt great. you need a decent landing to at least make you feel like you did it. comeee on no pain no gain?
but a really smooth tranny dont feel thattttt great. you need a decent landing to at least make you feel like you did it. comeee on no pain no gain?
i do drops/gaps/jumps for the airtime, not the landing :)
fastrider gus
25-06-2003, 05:34 PM
i like it when you have landed such a big drop so smoothly, then you just look at everyone and think "eeeeey that was smooth aaaay!"
wonderllama
26-06-2003, 10:09 PM
DROPS WRECK UR BIKE i used to do 7ft drops on my hardtail to flat and 14 stairs to flat, and it screwed it up, the only thing i havnt yet replaced is my frame, seat and seat pole,apart form that ive replaced everyin only my 125, 4 pairs of forks, 2 front hubs, 1 back hub, bent cranks, snaped bars and brake levers, pedals
oh and the stem is fine but...
dont do em unless there to a tranny or not too high , it cost too much $$$
do drops if u want to but ts not exactly really good for ur bike.
u can say its really fun anyway just dropping of things onto flat concreate or whatever. its not really any skill. u might as well go off jumps and get 10 times more air time than u would on dropping.
even if ur bike is a hardcore dually or whatever drops can still fuck it. my friend did a droop about 1.5m high onto flat concreate and snapped the side of the bottom bracket off...a raceface prodigy dh or some shit.
drops onto trannies are mad though
fastrider_ben
08-08-2003, 10:40 PM
drops r nice
CHEWY
09-08-2003, 03:28 PM
ive been told by numerous people that drops just screw ya bike even if you have a fair setup and even if their to a good tranny. has anyone ever snaped anything doing a drop? i dont do them that much so yea
i think u can answer ur own question now knobbo :P
Techno Destructo
09-08-2003, 05:45 PM
What a ridiculous idea. "Drops wreck your bike." Generalizing a statement like that makes me think that a seven year old was spreading that idea.
Questions that should be asked:
How steep is the landing?
How smooth is the rider?
Is there suspension on the bike and how much?
How well built is the bike?
If someone tells you that somebody landing on a near vertical tranny that rolls out smoothly, the jump is landed perfectly, on a bike with full suspension, that has a half decent frame... that's gonna hurt your bike?
Please.
You can do a drop of 100 meters vertical (on a fully rigid bike), and if you land on a vertical landing that levels out gradually enough, the bike will take no damage. The air in the tires would be enough to handle the compression. (It's an impossible scenario, but a similiar concept to think of is Danny Way, jumping out of a helicopter, from what was like 25-30 feet?, into a halfpipe and sticking it. Why could he stick it on just a skateboard from that crazy height? Because he was landing on a vertical wall of a pipe with a huge tranny to ride out on.)
Tell these people to try thinking before making such stupid statements. Engage the brain before flapping the lips.
fastrider gus
09-08-2003, 05:47 PM
DROPS WRECK UR BIKE i used to do 7ft drops on my hardtail to flat and 14 stairs to flat, and it screwed it up, the only thing i havnt yet replaced is my frame, seat and seat pole,apart form that ive replaced everyin only my 125, 4 pairs of forks, 2 front hubs, 1 back hub, bent cranks, snaped bars and brake levers, pedals
oh and the stem is fine but...
dont do em unless there to a tranny or not too high , it cost too much $$$
well its obvious why your bike was breaking.. dont do shit to flat..derrrr!
i was doing 20+ footers to nice tranny's and it doesnt break a thing...
tom broke his bike because he was nosediving and cant land very well in the 1st place...
Techno Destructo
09-08-2003, 05:55 PM
Bottom line: What is the direction of travel your bike is going when you touch down? The more your landing/transition is going in the same direction, the less impact is transmitted through to you and your bike.
Not a very difficult concept, surely?
Bottom line: What is the direction of travel your bike is going when you touch down? The more your landing/transition is going in the same direction, the less impact is transmitted through to you and your bike.
Not a very difficult concept, surely?
This only applies when the landing isn't flat.
fastrider gus
09-08-2003, 06:11 PM
der...
Techno Destructo
09-08-2003, 06:13 PM
Bottom line: What is the direction of travel your bike is going when you touch down? The more your landing/transition is going in the same direction, the less impact is transmitted through to you and your bike.
Not a very difficult concept, surely?
This only applies when the landing isn't flat.
Uh. Yeah. I'm assuming that the landing isn't flat and that people have brains that work.
Bottom line: What is the direction of travel your bike is going when you touch down? The more your landing/transition is going in the same direction, the less impact is transmitted through to you and your bike.
Not a very difficult concept, surely?
This only applies when the landing isn't flat.
Uh. Yeah. I'm assuming that the landing isn't flat and that people have brains that work.
Considering the number of times "drops to flat" have been mentioned in this thread, I would assume that not everyone ONLY drops to trannies.
Techno Destructo
09-08-2003, 06:32 PM
Considering the number of times "drops to flat" have been mentioned in this thread, I would assume that not everyone ONLY drops to trannies.
Socket, I'm refering to the initial post of this thread:
ive been told by numerous people that drops just screw ya bike even if you have a fair setup and even if their to a good tranny.
And yes... common sense would say that it's hard to land an air, going in the same direction as the landing, if the landing is flat. Either you've got one inch of air, or you're travelling at an incredibly fast speed.
(Technically speaking... it would be impossible to land, travelling in the same direction as your landing/tranny, if the landing was flat. Gravity causes a constant acceleration downwards, so it'd be physically impossible. But now we're just getting into theoretical concepts...)
wombat
09-08-2003, 07:20 PM
Wow, these explanations are confusing me, I'm not even sure exactly what you guys are getting at....but I think you're talking about the change the direction of the force.
Your downward acceleration is always going to be the same regardless of your horizontal speed or any other factors (I'm disregarding air resistance because that is negligible in these instances.) The key point in this explanation is not how much force you hit the ground with, but rather what direction it is in.
As there is very little resistance to foward movement on a bicycle, the greater the foward component the less severe your acceleration (or deceleration if you will). Now when you introduce a transition, or a gradient (as we seem to be referring to here) you effectively change the direction of your velocity, reducing the normal component, and increasing the tangential (or foward) component. So while you're still hitting the ground at the same speed, and you are technically still accelerating at the same rate (damn vectors....) the change in speed you experience is much less than if you were landing to flat.
Edit: sorry people, I just re-read that, and it does absolutely nothing to make it any easier to understand. As you were.
CHEWY
09-08-2003, 07:31 PM
no wombat, that makes heaps of sense... im doing movement in physics right now 8)
i used to drop then i bit my handle bars on a 14foot to tranny huck so i dirt jump now :D never go back djs rock the shiznick
Depends on you rdefinition of drop!
Drop to me is like the seaforth one , that is like 16-18 foot vertically down with no forward speed and just a big hard hit onto the landing ramp
a GAP is like lizard rock, where you got a nice lot of air time and some speed to help out your stability
All this physics crap aside (I do it too) drops at speed are easier to take, because your speed translates into an stabilising gyroscopical force that requires less effort to keep the bike up. Therefore you dont waste energy keeping your bike upward and can use more energy in absorbing the impact.
Yes it is proven Verticle and Horizontal forces are independant, and that the impact will be the same but you abiolity to withstand this impact ios increased at speed.
n2o spark
13-08-2003, 07:50 PM
well i'm doing physical science and understand all this physics stuff
this all makes sence
how many of you rely on your suspension?
i started about april last year. i learn't to do 4ft dtop to flat of a fully rigid trek 400. nice bike. and it did hurt at first. but it did teach me technique.
very important people technique is. me and my friend share bikes. one has an ATX900 ( could be and 870 don't rember too well) hard tail. and the other doesn't have a bike at the moment but borrows an apollo.
i ride a mixed bag of a bike. and i do give it a bashing when i want to ride hard.
well the thing is that i can do 5ft drops to flat and just manage to bottom out the forks. but land nice and smooth. the forks need a heavier spring anyway. getting a custom one made up for me for $15 beats the $50+ manitou want for one. well anyway i can do this and not buckle my rims now. but neither of my friends can. i only weigh 50 kg and they are both over 70kg but they hammer their landings and cane the bike.
so i'm a bit reluctant to swap bikes, now i've some better stuff. i'm thinking of getting a SMO rear rim though, that should toughenthings up a bit.
but doing drops whether to flat or to a tranny won't hurt the bike very much is you use good technique. legs and arms have muscles in them and they can act like springs. don't just hold your body stiff. you gotta flow with the drop. or you will hurt bits and pieces for sure. i never have much money so i hate it when something breakes and needs fixing
matty_2004
13-08-2003, 08:38 PM
WTF!
blackshadow54
06-09-2003, 07:54 PM
iv done a 4ft on a hard tail and hard front bloody awesome hurt like hell but didnt fuck the bike to badly.
AirDog
10-09-2003, 10:02 PM
just today me and my friends were doin 1.5 to flat on the good old stinkys.. no harm done no damage cause nothing loose. it all depends how smooth you go. and what your landing on. flat to concrete is rough but to grass is totally different IMO
just expect something to give way eventually. like my $1 shock bolts :)
matty_2004
10-09-2003, 10:09 PM
Drops wreck 400 dollar recreational bikes, not hardcore bikes...
grovesy
10-09-2003, 10:15 PM
Make use of a transition where you can.
Your bike will thank you.
transistions are gods gift to bikers
brad_ac2
11-09-2003, 05:51 PM
i reckon that it depends on the bike and tranny. it also helps if you are smooth.
i reckon that it depends on the bike and tranny. it also helps if you are smooth.
Really?
obviously trannies are ace but if there is a drop that u are lookin at that is reasonably high (around 6-8 feet) to flat and ur not a trials freak, hit it with a load of speed, its about the best way u could do it without wrecking ur bike or yourself. its still gona be risky at any speed though.
thats my opinion anyway, i ain't realy into flat landings myself.
juzza
11-09-2003, 07:50 PM
ummmmm aren't our bikes kinda made to be ridden hard?? hehehe
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