View Full Version : Manitou Dorado, Rock Shox Boxxer or Marzocchi Shiver?
Ghost
26-06-2003, 05:24 PM
Okay, at the risk of repeating a thread, I've decided to start a topic of my own. If it has been done before, well, in the words of Homer Simpsons "It's my first day."
In the future, hopefully not too distant, I will be buying a new ride. The question is, which forks do I go with? I'm specifically interested in both the Manitou Dorado and Marzocchi Shiver, but would like to get some extra input as to which one.
I am going all out budget-wise for my next bike, but don't particularly want to spend money that isn't completely just.
So I guess my main question is; are the Dorado's really $1500 better than the Shiver's? Both are obviously awesome forks, but it would take a fair bit of convincing to go with the extra cost.
Thoughts? Help? etc...
In my opinion...
Plushness: Shiver
Stiffness: similar for each
Big hit capability: Shiver
Weight: Dorados are 200g or something lighter than Shivers... not much difference
Price: Shivers (are Dorados really $4k?)
Reliability + ease of maintenance: Shiver, I'd say.
check out www.avalanchedownhillracing.com, check out the DHF 7.0 Ti fork... SUPPOSEDLY (ie I haven't ridden one) the best of the best, and they're $1600US I think). If you're willing to pay, I'd check out one of those.
Turley
26-06-2003, 05:41 PM
Well from what I have heard the Dorados perform extremely well but require quite a bit of maintainance. Check our ride monkey, alot the boys on there should have quite a bit of info about those two forks.
My personal preference woudl be the dorados because, if you check out all the pics from the US races, the main two forks are Dorados and boxxers.
Ghost
26-06-2003, 05:47 PM
...(are Dorados really $4k?)
Nah, they're around $3,500 while you can get Shiver's for as low as $2,000 (though this depends on the store).
Well from what I have heard the Dorados perform extremely well but require quite a bit of maintainance.
I've heard that too, though maintenance isn't a large problem.
My personal preference woudl be the dorados because, if you check out all the pics from the US races, the main two forks are Dorados and boxxers.
Yeah, I have noticed that. It must be nice to have a sponsor. :evil:
Turley
26-06-2003, 05:57 PM
I am going all out budget-wise for my next bike, but don't particularly want to spend money that isn't completely just.
You are going all out budget? Or ain't? I am presuming that was a typo :P
My personal preference woudl be the dorados because, if you check out all the pics from the US races, the main two forks are Dorados and boxxers.
Yeah, pros use them because they're SPONSORED. What pros ride is pretty much irrelevant to what actually works best.
Ghost
26-06-2003, 06:15 PM
I am going all out budget-wise for my next bike, but don't particularly want to spend money that isn't completely just.
You are going all out budget? Or ain't? I am presuming that was a typo :P
Well, if you read it carefully it says I'm going all out but don't, I repeat don't, want to spend money that could be deemed a waste. Going all out doesn't particularly mean buying the most expensive components possible. Just because the price is high, doesn't make the performance so.
I'd rather put that $1,500 toward something else unless it was proven that Dorado's are almost twice as good, hence this thread.
Dig?
Turley
26-06-2003, 06:19 PM
Well, I would disagree with you there socket. Ok yeah they are sponsored by that company but why would a company which has a team (ie cannondale) bother about approaching manitou for sponsorship if the product is shit? Yes, I know that some products (like garcias gemini) are pro only issue but, in teh case of dorado's, they have been shown to be good forks.
Why would a company bother about giving a pro rider a fork which isn't going to trickle down to the consumer? Dorados are not a pro only fork and the same fork that garcia etc are the same as you can buy. The only exception to this in the case of dorado's is the special fork Kovarik is running with the resovior.
I know big Dan runs a shiver on his giant so give him a pm and I am sure he will be able to tell you the pros and cons of the shiver. And seeing you are budget concious, go the Shiver imho.
kalem
26-06-2003, 06:28 PM
No-way is the dorado $1500 better than a shiver, it's almost double with the prices you are quoting... FYI: You can make a dorado an open bath somehow, search ridemonkey.com for more info. But really the shiver wins in all catagories except weight and really the difference is nothing. If someone has a reason to pay $1500 more for the dorado, i'd like to hear it.
Well, I would disagree with you there socket. Ok yeah they are sponsored by that company but why would a company which has a team (ie cannondale) bother about approaching manitou for sponsorship if the product is shit? Yes, I know that some products (like garcias gemini) are pro only issue but, in teh case of dorado's, they have been shown to be good forks.
Why would a company bother about giving a pro rider a fork which isn't going to trickle down to the consumer? Dorados are not a pro only fork and the same fork that garcia etc are the same as you can buy. The only exception to this in the case of dorado's is the special fork Kovarik is running with the resovior.
I know big Dan runs a shiver on his giant so give him a pm and I am sure he will be able to tell you the pros and cons of the shiver. And seeing you are budget concious, go the Shiver imho.
Dorados ARE good forks (I haven't suggested otherwise), but have you seen many Marzocchi-sponsored race teams about? The only one I can think of off the top of my head is the Kona/Clarks team (I think that's them). Everyone else gets stuff cheap/free from RockShox or Manitou. The whole idea of giving free stuff to pros is to make people think that because pros ride it, it must be the best thing out, therefore increasing sales.
In this case, it seems fairly obvious to me that the Shiver is the better choice.
SpectRe
26-06-2003, 06:33 PM
Well i had the option to go for a 03 Shiver @ $1800, or an 03 Dorado for $2350 (no..not second hand or stolen..:))
I opted to dish out the extra $550 and get the Dorado. No real reason behind this decision - i just rathered to try out a Manitou instead of a Marz fork - and all the Dorados id ridden were super nice.
I'd say for whatever your paying - go for the Shiver if you'd rather not 'waste' money, as they are definitely up there performance-wise, despite their apparent. lack of presence on the DH circuit. Oh..and the fact they dont require as much tuning/maintenance. ;)
Ghost
26-06-2003, 08:00 PM
Well, I would disagree with you there socket. Ok yeah they are sponsored by that company but why would a company which has a team (ie cannondale) bother about approaching manitou for sponsorship if the product is shit? Yes, I know that some products (like garcias gemini) are pro only issue but, in teh case of dorado's, they have been shown to be good forks.
Dorado's are awesome no question, but they have a hefty price tag - the only thing that makes me think twice. The reason they are more of a pro circuit fork can probably be acredited to this, not a lot of riders can afford them when they have to pay retail.
SpectRe, if I could get them for $2,350 I would have to re-evaluate my current standpoint. :wink:
kalem
26-06-2003, 08:14 PM
If they were the same price the shiver is still the better choice, can anyone tell me anything the dorado has that the shiver doesn't? Apart from the forks 'image'.
If they were the same price the shiver is still the better choice, can anyone tell me anything the dorado has that the shiver doesn't? Apart from the forks 'image'.
Red paint.
oz-freerider
26-06-2003, 08:20 PM
and every one know's red is faster.
bazza
26-06-2003, 08:48 PM
red and orange - fire
fancy writting everywhere
chris kovarik among others uses them
its all about image ladies.
(not saying that arent good :lol: )
curtisrider
26-06-2003, 10:03 PM
Carbon Fibre bits and pieces on the fork aswell
don't ask what. i wouldn't have a clue.
Ghost
26-06-2003, 10:17 PM
Basically just lighter and more for speed than anything else. Shiver's, although good for serious DH racing, are also geared toward jumping off cliffs - though not to the extent of Super Monster's.
I'm trying to ascertain which will serve me better.
How many folk around here own Dorado's?
looseunit
26-06-2003, 11:12 PM
I know several people that run Dorado and have not had any troubles, but saying that there are only a few pairs in SA. Most of the owner use there DH bike as race bike and fork are kept in mint condition. Two owner that I know I would not ask as for durability one is the most skill rider in SA and in the world(never rides his DH bike). The other the rich kid with white intense no comment needed here. There are several other riders who have spoken to about there Dorado and can comment on durability/performance one is a guy who rides an red intense M1 with Dorado, but before that he ran shiver and monsters. His comment was that they were both very similar in performance. The other rider I know is changing his Dorado for monster t which is a good thing because he breaks everything, but the dorados held up fine.
As for the shiver I know several people that have had problems with them and all was the bonding on the axle on the disk side. My preference would be the Dorado if I could get a deal on one, but I would buy either fork over any model of boxxer. The only other advantage of the dorado that is not mentioned by any one else is that it come with different spring and disk brake mounts which you would have to buy with the shiver.
Where in SA do you live
Glenn
26-06-2003, 11:21 PM
i have been ridding 01 shiver for 2 and a bit years. has the 03 shiver improved since the 01 cause there are some flaws in the 01. but i have to say i have ridden them pritty hard and consistent and still no leak from the seals around the slider and i have had them serviced like 2 times since i had them and they still work fine... go a shiver! you want regret it...
Ghost
26-06-2003, 11:30 PM
Where in SA do you live
The mean streets of Prospect. :twisted:
bikeman_baldrik
27-06-2003, 09:58 AM
Get a Boxxer
AirDog
27-06-2003, 10:22 AM
dorado and shiver shit all over boxer. i havn't ridden either but having looked at specs and reveiws i'd say go the shiver they seem way stiffer and marzocchi has a great reputation for great forks.
Wish Jared would wake up from the dead the slack ass .. hes done a full season on the Dorado .. and he must of ridden a Shiver.
It's ok to read spec's and reports etc .. but maybe the Dorado rides like a dream ?? hence worth the money .. maybe it rides like shit and Manitou is overpriced ?
Shiver is a little more "rough" .. probably alot easier to maintain ... doesnt come across to me as a "race fork" whereas the Dorado and Boxxer WC .. come across as Race forks .. hence require alot of fine tunning .. whereas Shivers are just buff and ya dont need to touch em much .. they just keep taking the abuse.
If ya considering Dorado's ya either extremely compeitive in your DH series .. or ya got some money to spend .. they are an expensive fork no issue about that.
dorado and shiver shit all over boxer. i havn't ridden either but having looked at specs and reveiws i'd say go the shiver they seem way stiffer and marzocchi has a great reputation for great forks.
horses for courses, it all depends what ya want, and how you ride. personaly i prefer a lighter fork and i like the feel of the boxxer, issues with seals and what not don't worry me so much as i don't mind working on bikes.
looseunit
27-06-2003, 10:37 PM
If you are getting the bike next year the new marzocchi 888 will be out, may be worth a look.
dorados are the best fork money can buy there plush as all hell reliable (i have run my dorados 4 six months with out touchin them and there still as smooth as ever) lighter than shivers and r a all round better fork with an exception 4 the price
tomo, you might be suffering from "boiling frog syndrome", your forks would probably feel better after a good service, even though you probably think they feel excelent now they probably arn't as good as they could be (i don't dout they probably feel better than 99% of the fork out there as they are), give it a try.
Ghost
02-07-2003, 08:21 PM
Yeah, with regular riding your forks really take a beating and should be serviced every month (this is on pretty serious/hard riding mind you).
Forks are not something you want to fail on you, that is, unless you want to eat it big time!
Gutty
03-07-2003, 08:33 AM
dorado and shiver shit all over boxer. i havn't ridden either
Yeah good stuff there.......just the kind of advice he's after i'm sure :roll:
IF YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THE PRODUCTS DON'T COMMENT !!!!
toodles
03-07-2003, 10:24 AM
I've pretty much ridden all three (dorados, shivers and boxxers) to some extent. The Dorados and the Shivers are both pretty damn good. If your crazy about racing, I'd recommend the Dorados because they're lighter and handle mid-range stuff better than the Shivers I've played on. The Shivers swallow cliff drops and small ripples like crazy though and they're an excellent fork too. Also I've noticed a few riders disagreeing on the quality and performance of their Dorados so there could be some inconsistecy there. If you're a big dude get the Shivers - the weight won't be so noticeable and they'll absorb being boofed into stuff more than the Dorados. that's my 2 cents.
For the record, Shivers are about 300g heavier than Dorados. If you want to whinge about that weight, just get a lighter front wheel and you won't feel any difference.
Mason
04-07-2003, 03:49 AM
Dorado. Its lighter, and a better all around fork.
dorado definatly!!!! you dont know how good they are untill you have ridden one! words cant express how good they are. well i will admit i havnt ridden any down a trail. but a few of my mates have and they couldnt tell me enough about how nice they felt. its not just the stiffness/plushness, etc. its the dampning too! TPC+ damping is soo nice, especially in the dorado's. i think dorados would be the go!!!
dorado definatly!!!! you dont know how good they are untill you have ridden one! words cant express how good they are. well i will admit i havnt ridden any down a trail. but a few of my mates have and they couldnt tell me enough about how nice they felt. its not just the stiffness/plushness, etc. its the dampning too! TPC+ damping is soo nice, especially in the dorado's. i think dorados would be the go!!!
You basically just told us that you don't know how good they are...
Gutty, back me up here!
hmm still angry socket.. Dans mates have alot of different products. I think he will know what he is talking about. I know your suposed to be king products dood and all but dont go critisizing ther people for what they think
hmm still angry socket.. Dans mates have alot of different products. I think he will know what he is talking about. I know your suposed to be king products dood and all but dont go critisizing ther people for what they think
I'm not angry (why are you trying to make this personal all the time?), I'm not "king products dood", but he just specifically stated that you don't know how good they are until you ride them, and that he hadn't ridden them. Fair enough that his mates love them if they've ridden them, and he can pass that on, but you have to admit that forming your opinion on the basis of what you're told feels better, is probably not the best way to do it.
im not trying to make this personal i have nothing against you, except you threatened to rob my house..BUT you can form an opinion on what your told. whether that be right or not that doesnt matter if many people said they are good then they have to have something going for them and if they are on top end bikes then they must once again have something going for them
haha wot was he angry about fuzzy??? i was telling everyone what i have heard. basicly passing on the words from a couple of my mates :)
and yeh, alot of me/my mates have tried alot of products too :)
i was telling everyone what i have heard. basicly passing on the words from a couple of my mates :)
Yeah that's fair enough. I'm not trying to bag you here, but like I said you can't rave about how good something is unless you personally have tried it. Don't take it the wrong way mate :)
Fuzzy, if you seriously think I'm going to hop on a plane to perth, find your house, then rob it, maybe you'd better seek counselling. Not too many people would actually believe that...
yeh no offence taken, anyway i sorta looked at wot i typed and thaught that, but thaught ah well. lol
the damping system in my sliders are basicly the same as in a dorado, both TPC+ but i would think dorados has something better about it coz its a DORADO :).
yeh no offence taken, anyway i sorta looked at wot i typed and thaught that, but thaught ah well. lol
the damping system in my sliders are basicly the same as in a dorado, both TPC+ but i would think dorados has something better about it coz its a DORADO :).
Well the Dorado would probably feel slightly better because it has more travel (therefore you can run a softer spring without bottoming any easier), and it's inverted so you save a little bit on unsprung weight (I don't know if that would be noticeable though cos Monster T's are plush as). Dorados would also be valved for racing, so I imagine they're set up to take up bumps better, whereas Sliders are designed to take hits better.
yeh thats true....meh...well dorados are a sweet fork from what i have seen anyway :)
ricky lee
13-07-2003, 11:57 AM
My last Iron Horse SGS had shivers on it and my new SGS has Dorado on it.
As others have said the shivers eat up the big jumps with ease and feel plush but the Dorados turn better and in general riding are better over the main part of the track and they are lighter (this is only a factor for little dudes like me) .
One tip on the Dorados have the thick grease taken out and put in fork oil it makes them a lot plusher.
wombat
13-07-2003, 06:41 PM
Alright, the sponsorship issue; with big teams (and in turn big companies) the motivating factor is MONEY. Sure, they're not going to ask their riders to use a product which is obviously so sub-standard that it's going to have a serious, adverse effect on their performance (because that will lose them money in the long run), but with two items which are apparently so close in performance they're going to go with the company that gives them the better deal. This deal may include more proddy, payments, or maybe even things like tech support for the riders at race meets.
Just because you see more riders on a certain product DOES NOT mean that they are the best. They may well be, but that fact is not related.
If people chose their sponsors based purely on theperformance of their products do you really think Wade and co. would be on RMs?
Ghost
13-07-2003, 08:14 PM
Very good point wombat.
Okay, let's throw the top model Boxxers into the mix.
Can people base their comments of the three forks around racing too?
Cheers crew.
Very good point wombat.
Okay, let's throw the top model Boxxers into the mix.
Can people base their comments of the three forks around racing too?
Cheers crew.
The top model boxxers, from what little I've ridden, are a very linear fork (don't ramp up much) and as such can be bottomed by a solid bunnyhop. However, they take up bumps very well and there isn't any problem with stiffness.
The downside is (and this is from the shop mechanic who owns them) that you have to service them so damn often.
My Super T's are just as smooth and plush as my Shivers were, and the Shivers freakin rocked on the rough stuff. They just took up everything and left you wondering why the pedals were shaking but the bars weren't ;)
Haven't had any time on a Dorado apart from about 2 minutes pedalling Petri's Turner around and bashing it into stuff to see what happens. It felt good, but it didn't stand out... however like I said, this isn't really a fair representation of what it's like on a DH course (other than general smoothness).
shmity
14-07-2003, 12:30 AM
Ok, socket, id have to agree that when riding round the parking lot, the boxxer is quite easy to get to bottom out or near bottom out, but thats the beauty of its damping setup. I can run my boxxers that soft in the low speed compression side of things, but on the trail, it eats up the small medium and large bumps. I would say this was pretty consistent with the way a dorado could be set up. Maybe wait and see if they release the SPV model of them to the public??
Having ridden a v10 with shivers, and then with dorados (both breifly albiet, so this really doesn't give my opinion much validity, but everyone else has had a go, so why not me) and i could notice the difference in weight, and so could the guy who owned the size large frame.
Either way, i love my boxxers, and have they have given me no reason to consider an upgrade or changeover.
Ok, socket, id have to agree that when riding round the parking lot, the boxxer is quite easy to get to bottom out or near bottom out, but thats the beauty of its damping setup. I can run my boxxers that soft in the low speed compression side of things, but on the trail, it eats up the small medium and large bumps. I would say this was pretty consistent with the way a dorado could be set up. Maybe wait and see if they release the SPV model of them to the public??
Having ridden a v10 with shivers, and then with dorados (both breifly albiet, so this really doesn't give my opinion much validity, but everyone else has had a go, so why not me) and i could notice the difference in weight, and so could the guy who owned the size large frame.
Either way, i love my boxxers, and have they have given me no reason to consider an upgrade or changeover.
In what way could you notice the difference in weight? Remember that the Shiver is a taller fork (slackens the bike out more) and that one bike is likely to have a heavier front wheel than the other. Also, Hutchi's frame is a bitch to get the front up on cos it's so big (ie size large), so I'd say that could be partly why the front felt heavier.
Your Boxxers don't feel tooo bad (felt a bit sticky tho compared to my Supers :P ) as far as softness goes, but Shane Weaving's WC models (the ones I was referring to) feel way too soft for my liking.
Gutty
14-07-2003, 08:16 AM
Gutty, back me up here!
Meh, Airdogs reply was better.
dorado and shiver shit all over boxer. i havn't ridden either
Some of the advice getting around this board lately is just GREAT
toodles
14-07-2003, 01:39 PM
I've ridden all 3 (yep I'm a fork sl*t). But 1 - I haven't thrashed Dorados and 2 - I'm crap and slow anyway so I like forks which are shiny and make my bike look good in the carpark. But actually I prefer the action of the Boxxers so far mainly cos I'm weak and they're light enough for me to lift. I could barely bunnyhop the Shivers (which hardly matters cos you can smack them into anything and get away laughing). The Dorados I rode were setup goofy for me (heavy springs, over-damped) so I dunno. Buy Boxxers and spend the change on beer....
shmity
14-07-2003, 03:46 PM
Socket, i ment i could feel the difference in weight from when he had his shivers on, to 20 mins later when he had his dorados on.
Mmm, you can notice a bit of stiction in my forks but its only when you first get on the bike, once the fork is squatting down in its travel then it doesn't have a problem.
Ghost
14-07-2003, 04:10 PM
Buy Boxxers and spend the change on beer....
My kind of man.
Corona's for all...
msbhvn
14-07-2003, 04:40 PM
Corona, bwaaahaaa, thats not beer
Socket, i ment i could feel the difference in weight from when he had his shivers on, to 20 mins later when he had his dorados on.
Sounds like a placebo to me ;)
shmity
14-07-2003, 05:36 PM
meh, either way, it was a parking lot test so it doesn't hold much validity anyway. Id be happy if someone gave me a pair of any 3 of the forks in question.
Konaman
15-07-2003, 10:52 PM
THE GISM, my friends ridden one and says its the best fork hes ever felt and hes ridden lots of forks.
Goto www.dhdirect.com.au an check out the dh forks and its the gism
I recently got a V10 and went through the same dilemma as you are facing. Shiver/Dorado. 2 really cool forks, so it was a tough choice.
I mostly wanted the Dorado for the coolness factor of the carbon and for the lighter weight. I didn't realize the weight difference was so minimal though. Nor did I realize the price was different, so I based my decision entirely on other factors.
I chose the Shiver. They felt plusher on the showroom floor. Everyone who has a Dorado says they need to be serviced VERY often and most of the Shiver's I ran into on the trails were unserviced for a year or more, yet they still felt great.
After running the Shiver in, I rode a few Dorados breifly and the only one that felt any good was just serviced that day. The others had been on only 3 or 4 rides since being serviced and they were so disappointing compared to my Shiver.
For the first couple of weeks of owning my Shiver, I was blown away by the performance, but still wondered if I made the right choice and it was nagging at me. Then I rode a couple of Dorado's and I'm now fully satisfied that I have the best fork money can buy.
I saw the 888 at Whistler last week on Wade Simmon's bike, and it looked rad. I heard from a friend who had a chance to ride it that it was the best fork they had ever felt by a long shot. So if you can wait 'til November (I think) then you might want to consider a 3rd option.
By the way, I have owned 2 Boxxers and I will never buy Rock Shox again.
Not sure if you've picked a frame yet or not, but the V10 has far exceeded my expectations. I rode an M1 at Whistler, and while it's a good bike, it's not a V10.
Here's my V10 about to get bottomed out in Kelowna BC
http://www.farkin.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=343
Shivers seem to go with V10s like Boxxers to 222s :)
Ghost
17-07-2003, 09:49 AM
Not sure if you've picked a frame yet or not, but the V10 has far exceeded my expectations. I rode an M1 at Whistler, and while it's a good bike, it's not a V10.
Nah, I haven't picked a frame out yet. I'd love an M1 or V10, but I doubt my funds will stretch that far. :wink:
At this stage a Craftworks DH 208 is probably at the top of the list.
Shivers seem to go with V10s like Boxxers to 222s :)
Ain't that the truth. Hmm, it's also a good point. You really need to find the forks that best work with your frame.
ricky lee
17-07-2003, 09:50 AM
i have had all three and Dorado are by far the best fork around
trobb
17-07-2003, 11:11 AM
i would go for mochie shivers anyday. Those forks rock
looseunit
17-07-2003, 02:10 PM
At this stage a Craftworks DH 208 is probably at the top of the list.
From what i have been told when the new DHR was going to sold complete with a shivers on them, that was last year and i have not seen a new model of DHR yet.
Turley
17-07-2003, 03:08 PM
something that I think EVERYONE has missed here is that even though it can be clear that one fork is better than another performance wise, the bike the fork is on will also affect what we regard as performance as it is all about the "feel" of a fork. I know from my garage testing (pushing down) of my boxxer it doesn't seem plush at all compared to the few marz I have ridden BUT i have not worn in this fork yet or been able to play aroudn with oil weights/springs to get it performing to my preference.
There were 2 oustanding reasons that I chose the boxxer over anything else. I am only 65kg and 6foot tall so There isnt' much bulk to me so I need the lighter weights and 2. Romic kit is comming out (sometime..) and from the reports that I have read they seem to bring a marz like plushness with the boxxer weight.
toodles
17-07-2003, 03:44 PM
I've got a DHR208 and I'm running boxxers on the sucker. They seem to work quite well but and the Crafty is a bit of a hefty pig so my weedy 65kg butt is glad my forks don't weight too much. I reckon the shivers would suit a Crafty rear end veeeery well though. Both are a non-linear design and very plush. Just buy it and ride it. You'll grow to whatever you have and seeing as how both the Shivers and Dorados have their fans they can't be that freakin different performance wise. Moral of the story - what's the price difference? That's how many cartons?!?!?
Ghost
17-07-2003, 07:46 PM
I've got a DHR208 and I'm running boxxers on the sucker.
Got any pictures I could have a squiz at?
I'm pretty sure I'll be quite happy with whatever I end up with and what I end up with will be what I can get the best deal on.
bazza
22-07-2003, 09:33 PM
what about the boxxer world cups? they look sexual. and perform reallyyy nice. unless you realy wanted some upside down forks. i have riden shivers before but i am not really a picky rider. i am just saying that they soak up realllll nice and thats about it. and i dont think the guy has had any problems with them yet. if you could pick up dorados cheap get em. if not save your 1500 for a scrubber or a trip to canada or something and get the shivers.
what about the boxxer world cups? they look sexual. and perform reallyyy nice. unless you realy wanted some upside down forks. i have riden shivers before but i am not really a picky rider. i am just saying that they soak up realllll nice and thats about it. and i dont think the guy has had any problems with them yet. if you could pick up dorados cheap get em. if not save your 1500 for a scrubber or a trip to canada or something and get the shivers.
Boxxer Teams have 99% of the performance of the WC (same damping, just not the coating on the staunchions), and you save a shitload of money.
Ghost
22-07-2003, 11:46 PM
what about the boxxer world cups? they look sexual. and perform reallyyy nice.
Yeah, I added them to the thread title for a reason. :wink:
I know Shiver's are great for freeriding, but what are they like for Downhill? They're a pretty big fork (size-wise).
Shivers kick arse.... unlimited tyre clearance, they take up bumps soooo well, and they're soooooo smooth. I'd recommend em to anyone.
I haven't quite figured out how something can be good for freeride and not DH. What's the difference between the two? Freeriding is NOT all about falling off a cliff. If a fork is rad at sucking up everything in its path and taking both small and very large hits, isn't that good for DHing?
Boxxers are ok forks, but If Rock Shox didn't give so many forks away to the racers, maybe more people would see them for what they are, not what they think they are. Obviously their marketing strategy has worked.
Manitou hasn't made one decent fork since they've been in business. Looks like the Dorado could be the first, but at $1500 more than a Shiver for almost as good performance and 5 times the servicing requirements, I'm not too sure. They've sure got the pimp factor though.
I say take the Pepsi challenge. Blind fold yourself and go ripping down your favourite trail on each of the forks. It won't take long to realize that it's much better to see where you are going on a Shiver, than to ride blindfolded on a Boxxer.
shmity
23-07-2003, 01:32 PM
Pff you mock the supernova, i laugh at thee, muhahahahaha. Er, ahem.
Ghost
23-07-2003, 04:32 PM
I haven't quite figured out how something can be good for freeride and not DH. What's the difference between the two? Freeriding is NOT all about falling off a cliff. If a fork is rad at sucking up everything in its path and taking both small and very large hits, isn't that good for DHing?
Mostly just size and weight. Even if it is only slight, I'd still like to save on weight where possible. DH bikes are heavy enough as is.
I say take the Pepsi challenge. Blind fold yourself and go ripping down your favourite trail on each of the forks. It won't take long to realize that it's much better to see where you are going on a Shiver, than to ride blindfolded on a Boxxer.
It won't take long to kill myself either. :wink:
ricky lee
23-07-2003, 07:32 PM
hey what do u think of the boxxer world cup forks because i am going to be riding them
thanks
toodles
24-07-2003, 05:43 PM
dude here's a pic of me Crafty with Boxxers on it....
http://www.farkin.net/forums/albums/1336.jpg
Ghost
24-07-2003, 05:45 PM
Hmm, that looks pretty slick toodles.
If you don't mind my asking, what has the DHR 208 been like for you?
toodles
25-07-2003, 08:16 AM
I've had it for about 3 months and I'm still stoked with it. It can handle way more than I could ever throw at it. It's got very sturdy construction, no flex and the rear suspension is crazy plush. It's kind of hefty though and with my 500lb spring (50 less than standard) it's mushier to pedal than some canti beam bikes but still better than the Norco or KHS my mates use. Oh and Craftworks customer support is the best I've experienced or seen.
I have ridden in 2 nationals series' with a set of 2001 shivers and they are the plushest, lowest, and strongest forks around.
So many times i have slammed my them and looked down expecting to find that they are either cracked or bent...but they have come up good every time.
However i have had to replace the seals 3 times and i recently found a 3.5cm crack along the back of the upper leg witch i put down to repeated punishment over the years and not to one particular incident and as far as i know i am the only person who has done it so you'll be right.
as i mentioned, these forks have copped a pounding and im actually suprised they havent cracked earlier.
The dorados are a good feeling fork but it takes some work to keep them that way, stiffer than the shivers too. Replacment parts are also very expensive.
If you are worried about these forks not being too much of a hucker freeride thing dont be....the front end on my bike is lower than any i have compared it to and and wieight wise, what is a few grams on a DH bike? just makes you stronger!
in short go the shivers....
Ghost
26-07-2003, 04:37 PM
Thanks for that Link.
What frame are you running?
SpectRe
27-07-2003, 10:11 AM
BB7?
...i could be wrong
Yeh, im running a balfa BB7....which is for sale if anyone is interested in buying one, look int he "for sale" forum
primeposition
09-11-2003, 08:14 PM
hey ggreg how do you make one of these like to make the questions in the forum
Bender is CRAZY
09-11-2003, 08:16 PM
hey ggreg how do you make one of these like to make the questions in the forum
Your an idiot, stop diggin up old posts, it really shits people off. look at the dates above the posts.
Fritta
09-11-2003, 09:04 PM
Boxxers are made by Rock Shocks :D
Boxxers rocks for freeride.
Fritta
09-11-2003, 09:07 PM
*looks around shiftly
yeh what Bender said stop grave digging...
ill shutup now.
i really will.
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Ghost
10-11-2003, 02:30 PM
hey ggreg how do you make one of these like to make the questions in the forum
Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking dude.
Your an idiot, stop diggin up old posts, it really shits people off. look at the dates above the posts.
Fair go man. Sure it's an old post, but if he has a legitimate reason for bringing it up again I see no harm in that. Saves starting a new thread and have people blast him for "repeating old news" or something to that end.
hey ggreg how do you make one of these like to make the questions in the forum
Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking dude.
Your an idiot, stop diggin up old posts, it really shits people off. look at the dates above the posts.
Fair go man. Sure it's an old post, but if he has a legitimate reason for bringing it up again I see no harm in that. Saves starting a new thread and have people blast him for "repeating old news" or something to that end.
It would be acceptible if it was the first time, but it's not, 57 posts of pure rubbish/gravedigging.
It would be acceptible if it was the first time, but it's not, 57 posts of pure rubbish/gravedigging.
does that mean we are not going to be hearing from hime any more?
lupine128
10-11-2003, 07:05 PM
we could just re-educate him with a brick. that should do it.
or hit him with his own shovel.
Ghost
11-11-2003, 04:14 PM
Or you could show him how to post properly by not hijacking threads. :wink:
If no one has anything else to add to this thread anymore, I'd like to see it locked.
i PMed him a couple of days ago when he started doing it a whole lot... i just got a reply then, maybe it will stop now?
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