Which fork?

[Turley]

I cant decide what fork to get for my new Specialized big hit pro. I have narrowed it down to three in my price range, Marzoochi Jr T, RS Boxxer Race or Manitour Sherman sliders.

[Ty]

boxxer Race, it a pretty solid fork for the price and soon you'll be able to get the romic kit for it that will make the internals as good as the world cup model (minus the slippery silver coating)
the slider is pretty nice but only 6 inchs, good for technical riding (NS) but not a great race fork from what i read
the Jr.T has crappy dampening, it spikes on high speed big hits (which you can fix by drilling a small hole in the compression damper) and dosn't have that much adjustment, if you want marz look into a super T or shiver.

[frank-oi]

apparantly all the shermans bushing a rooted after a month or so of ridin cause of the stiff ness of the reverse arch. now thats not a good sign is it. and the fact that they are triple may make it a very on going thing.

my choice would be the boxxer. hang on are the sliders tripels or not.o well

[Ty]

slider is the 6 inch triple with the 1 1/8 (normal) steerer tube

[CHEWY]

DORADO

[belly_up]

DORADO

for that money i'll take a World Cup Boxxer, and buy $1000 worth of beer with the change :D

[xxsethsxx]

boxxer Race, it a pretty solid fork for the price and soon you'll be able to get the romic kit for it that will make the internals as good as the world cup model (minus the slippery silver coating)
the slider is pretty nice but only 6 inchs, good for technical riding (NS) but not a great race fork from what i read
the Jr.T has crappy dampening, it spikes on high speed big hits (which you can fix by drilling a small hole in the compression damper) and dosn't have that much adjustment, if you want marz look into a super T or shiver. where can you get this Romic kit for the boxxer race? and this is 2003 right?

[Ty]

sorry seth, no word on the romic kit yet, the honda/turner team was testing it at the otter, with any lucky it will be out later this year.

[DOM]

if you go to pinkbike now .. they have news on it.
should be soon.

[Gutty]

for hucking etc the Jr.T is fine and will save you some $$ over the other forks but for racing forget about it. I've had one and it sucked as soon as you go more than 10km/h.
The super T should be around the smae price as a boxxer race i believe and prolly has a better damper but either the boxxer or a super would be my choices, both very good forks for the money. Prolly a better damper in the super but the boxxer will be stiffer.

[Ty]

Dom, thats just a crown kit, the red stantions and secret internals are along way off i think

[DOM]

ic ic

[blacky]

turley just get boxxers,they work,with a bighit they don,t ride real nice with heaver forks,shivers etc

i have owned a few big hits and boxxers are the go :shock:

blackdawg
:twisted:

[kalem]

super T or boxxers :mrgreen:

[S.]

Boxxer Race; the Slider is effectively an unknown quantity at the moment (a lot of people saying good, a lot of people saying bad - but it's too early to really know), and the Jr T tends to spike under repeated fast hits (ie riding down lots of stairs). The Boxxer Race is a no-brainer for the money, and (GUTTY) it's $600 cheaper than the Super T :P

[Gutty]

and (GUTTY) it's $600 cheaper than the Super T :P

Woops ! Didn't realise that, i say definately go with the Boxxer then, b_star on here rides one and he's pretty happy with his.

Thanks (SOCKET) :shock: :wink:

[wonderllama]

boxxer race.... jr`ts i snapped so i dont like cheap non bulky lookin dh forks so boxxers look bulky enough and apparently peform better.... hounestly go the monster t`s......

big and bulky... 8)

[RaID]

The super T should be around the smae price as a boxxer race i believe and prolly has a better damper but either the boxxer or a super would be my choices, both very good forks for the money. Prolly a better damper in the super but the boxxer will be stiffer.

when i got my Boxxer Race it was the same price as a Jnr T.
i had to make the same choice about 8 months ago and i know it was the right one

definaltly i would recommend the Boxxer, my setup is like what yours looks like to be
ie Big Hit Pro and Boxxer Race

cant complain about the fork very nice and for an extra about $200 you can upgrade to the compression cartridge from the Team model so you have basically the Boxxer Team for about $600 less
its a win win situation

if you have any specific questions PM me

[Dan]

WHAT WHAT WHAT???? dude...boxxer race suck!!! lol i dont mean to be one of those guys on a forum who just bag the S*(T out of something, but i cant believe everyone is sayin good stuff about the race.

(this is the cheaper boxxer right?? if so, read on, if not, u can all laugh at me)

every boxxer race i have known has screwed up in some way.

1. Redbull ride (i was a volunteer there) - Dean Mogridges internals screwed up, and he hadnt even done anything big on them yet, they seezed up and u could push them down about 2inches and thats it.

2. Redbull ride - some other guys boxxer races ALSO did exactly the same as Dean's, even tho he hadnt rele gone big either.

3. my friend - he did this drop and kinda landed funny and they got twisted baaadly.


so yeh, i hate boxxer race's now!
on nsmb.com (bb.nsmb.com/newforums) forums they have nothing but good comments about the sherman slider. and there are quite a few ppl who have em over there (canada, america, etc.) and they all have good comments.

Jr T - have heard of spiking, thats when the fork tries to compress too fast and the internals are cheap so it cant keep up with the oilflow, causing it to not be able to go any faster, it feels like you bottom out. i am running some 02 Jr's (borrowing my friends pair) i find em good, bit flexy for a DC fork, and no ajustabilty.

go for the slider. SUPER ajustable they are, jrs arnt (only if u change the oil), boxxer race are crappy internals, and screw up. go for quality at a cheap price, and get the shermans :) i kno i am in a short while.

sorry for my long post :roll:

[DOM]

OMG Dan .. what the hell ?

1. WTF is someone doing in the Redbull ride with a set of Boxxer Race ????

2. They designed for Entry level DH not free riding or let alone redbull standard riding.

3. They are the bottom of the range boxxers for a reason dude ... if they wanted them to last through a Redbull free ride event or a huck fest .. they should of looked at a Marz Shiver or Super Monster T.

If your going to post something dude ... please make it an educated post ..

They are not designed for Hucking or Free Riding .. ????? no wonder they twisted and siezed up ????

Entry level or Competitive Poor Mans DH.

[RaID]

my boxxer races also locked out like
but that was due to a crash
and it is a quite easy fix it just requires a rebuild of the forks

yes the likely hood of this happening again is real big drop
like in the redbull ride but its
definatley no likely to happen during DH racing (excluding crashes) and anything up to about 12 foot would be my educated guess

for the twisting badly, (i havent notice this at all) all the boxxer models are equally likely for this to happen as the structure of the stantions and lower legs for all models is exactly the same twsiting
has nothing to do with the internals


reading the June Australian Mountain Bike, Robbie McNaughton
has used this forks for the whole DH season without a problem
and if you upgrade to the Team model compression cartridge
you can have Boxxer Team performance for about $600 less
cant see where you can go wrong there


just defending an innocent value for money fork

[frank-oi]

has anyone read AMB rob macnoughton has nothing but prase for them and he raced the hole season on them. my mate have bin hammer and feel fine.

stuff.

[frank-oi]

damn you raid i wrote that just after you .

[frank-oi]

1 hole minute

[RaID]

hehehehehehe
well i agree with you

[frank-oi]

yes i think were agreed on that.

[DOM]

Yeah i just find it funny Dan based comments on the fact that they didnt hold up in a free ride situation ... let alone an extremely free ride situation .. I would of though Dean Moridge however ya spell it .. would of had a beefier fork ???

Im sure rockshox do not sell the boxxer race as a free ride hucking fork ? Im looking into one they are hard to find.

[RaID]

slighlty off the topic the other Mogridges borther (cant remeber his name)
is running a 02 boxxer on his bike when i saw it at the local DH race on the weekend instead of a monster t
i guess the lighter weight helps pulling tricks

but then again Dorados are meant to be a Race fork aswell

[looseunit]

I would personal never ever get a boxxer again as i think that they are the most overrated forks on the market. You name in blown seal jammed glide rings, snap braces, cracked crowns and the other thing i have seen latly is anodising rubbing off. As for the old boxxer any $2000 fork that you have to change oil to adjust the dampening is a joke as for runnig 30w oil to get the rebound to work. There is no dampening on the boxxers, next time you pull apart a boxxer and say Shiver/monster compare the springs which fork has the highest poundage spring? the boxxer, this could well explain why the fork feels like a pogo stik.

As for Dean Mogridge he is a sponsered rider and he rides what he is given, same for all the other giant rider most ride DH comps. Dean was doing head cam filming for red bull and his forks jamed and then put his old boxxer back on. In fact dean is selling his old bike with the current model boxxers because of all of the problems he has had with them. For most riding dean still runs his old 99 monsters a real fork. For racing he changes forks somtimes back to the boxxers.

His brother Rohan who is out injured so Raid you would have not seen him ride (wrist broken in 7 places and ACL, thank to a lady with a dog out for over a season). Rohan was running last year DH comp with Jrs and he like them more than 2000 model boxxer he had before. He also broke the boxxer more than once and he never the Jrs.

[looseunit]

turley just get boxxers,they work,with a bighit they don,t ride real nice with heaver forks,shivers etc

i have owned a few big hits and boxxers are the go

blackdawg


Big hit dont ride real nice with heavy forks, i have to disagree. I had boxxers and then i cracked the top crown (goldtec stoke got warrenty) not thinking i would get warrenty i swap the forks for a set of monster Ts. This made the bike ride 1000times better and even better with an 8inch kit. The bike is now so balance F/R it not funny it is also so plush it not funny. The bike feel really balance with dual rate springs and the progressive rear sus. With a boxxer with normal linar springs it dosnt feel right.

[bazza]

socket to stop that effect from the jr ts down the stairs, just jump em. have some balls :D jks budy :wink:

[Ghost]

As most have said, put your money behind the Boxxer Race. RockShox quality is always slick and they have a pretty reasonable price tag.

As for forks you can't afford, get Dorado's. :wink:

[SpectRe]

LoL Gregg....I did get Dorados...and i am a poor poor boy because of it :)

I see the Boxxer race simply as a 7" double crown Psylo XC (and oh..how i hate those..)Im sure they are a great fork once set up, but the whole break down and oil change thing just to get them feeling a little better is hard to get over.
Admittedly, there are a LOT of them on the state/national DH circuit because they are a great value fork for what you are getting - essentially a 'poor mans version' of the 02 boxxer (which was/is a SWEET fork).

For racing = Boxxer Race (7", can be upgraded to Team spec.)
Freeriding = Slider (Better o.e.m Internals, cheaper, only 25mm less travel and super stiff)

[S.]

socket to stop that effect from the jr ts down the stairs, just jump em. have some balls :D jks budy :wink:

That's effectively saying "gap your entire DH course". :wink:

[shmity]

Sounds like a plan, i dont think anyone would beat your time :lol:

[Ghost]

LoL Gregg....I did get Dorados...and i am a poor poor boy because of it :)

Fair enough too, $2,350 is a deal you just can't pass up - ya bastard! *Shakes fist* :P

They are probably the top racing DH fork, but they really do make you pay big time for it. Where did you get yours from if you don't mind my asking?

[S.]

Sounds like a plan, i dont think anyone would beat your time :lol:

ahaha might bottom your suspension out tho... :lol:

[SpectRe]

Ah...secret...lol, nah I do a bit of DH Instructor/Guide work at Thredbo in the summer...almost the same as workin for a bike shop really; the deals etc. only you get to ride instead of sittin in the shop all day :)

[Dan]

YAY people are dissing boxxers. thats what i like to see. as SpectRe said 'I see the Boxxer race simply as a 7" double crown Psylo XC'. well put mate :)

[bazza]

whats wrong with gapping the whole course??? gess what are you...crap?

[tomo]

:twisted: dont get me wrong the boxxer race r good forks but rock shox have had a bad batch this year all there boxxers have been haven problems and the dampenin in the races isn't all that good. All my mates that have em have had some sort of problem with em

[RaID]

I see the Boxxer race simply as a 7" double crown Psylo XC (and oh..how i hate those..)Im sure they are a great fork once set up, but the whole break down and oil change thing just to get them feeling a little better is hard to get over.


by that logic i would think you would see many more Farked Races,
(personally i have only seen faults that have been due to human error or crashes)

[SpectRe]

by that logic i would think you would see many more Farked Races

:) So that statement might have been a little too general... When i say i see the Boxxer Race as a Double Crown PsyloXC, I mean in regard to internals/adjustment etc, not the inherent problems of the Psylo (wrecked [single] crowns etc).

[ricky lee]

yeah boxxers WC are good but for the little bit more money i would get dorados to get a lot better fork for the money