View Full Version : How much can u/have u put a 6" er through??
whywalkwhenucanroll
20-08-2003, 10:21 AM
I'm thinking of getting a 6" travell freeride machine (eg Crappa FRM125 or Giant XTC AC1). How much can u put one through. And how much have u put 1 through?
CHEWY
20-08-2003, 10:24 AM
what do u mean?? do u mean how much punishment they can take? if thats what u mean it really depends on what bike it is, not how much travel it has
how much do you weigh? are you smooth or a hack? are you going to be racing? do you drop to flat?
crozza
20-08-2003, 12:51 PM
i have 6'' on frount and back and its all i realy need if u are goin to do crazy shit i would go for something bigger man
duncan^kona
20-08-2003, 12:56 PM
6" is fine, andif your not too sure make sure that you are confident with your bike, get a kona,,,........
a specialized big hit comp is 6" and that frame can take a lot of punishment
I'm thinking of getting a 6" travell freeride machine (eg Crappa FRM125 or Giant XTC AC1). How much can u put one through. And how much have u put 1 through?
Well, the formula for how much abuse they can take is:
54e^(2.3x) < 3a
Where X is the number of feet dropped to flat, E is Euler's constant, and A is your weight in pounds. This applies for each and every 6" travel bike, and is constant regardless of construction and your riding style. If the left side of said equation is equal to or more than the right side, the bike will fail catastrophically and you will suffer 4x^3 M s^-1, where X is again the number of feet dropped to flat, and M s^-1 is the unit for minutes of screaming.
I'm thinking of getting a 6" travell freeride machine (eg Crappa FRM125 or Giant XTC AC1). How much can u put one through. And how much have u put 1 through?
Well, the formula for how much abuse they can take is:
54e^(2.3x) < 3a
Where X is the number of feet dropped to flat, E is Euler's constant, and A is your weight in pounds. This applies for each and every 6" travel bike, and is constant regardless of construction and your riding style. If the left side of said equation is equal to or more than the right side, the bike will fail catastrophically and you will suffer 4x^3 M s^-1, where X is again the number of feet dropped to flat, and M s^-1 is the unit for minutes of screaming.
you forgot that if E (E is Euler's constant) is multiplyed by PBF (pinkbike factor) X then equals real X+3 (feet)
shmity
20-08-2003, 05:33 PM
Yes, and this shall be forever know as the Madcore rule.
I'm thinking of getting a 6" travell freeride machine (eg Crappa FRM125 or Giant XTC AC1). How much can u put one through. And how much have u put 1 through?
Well, the formula for how much abuse they can take is:
54e^(2.3x) < 3a
Where X is the number of feet dropped to flat, E is Euler's constant, and A is your weight in pounds. This applies for each and every 6" travel bike, and is constant regardless of construction and your riding style. If the left side of said equation is equal to or more than the right side, the bike will fail catastrophically and you will suffer 4x^3 M s^-1, where X is again the number of feet dropped to flat, and M s^-1 is the unit for minutes of screaming.
how come u have to take all the physics to do with bikes so seriously?
he just asked a simple question so maybe hes not that experienced. that doesnt mean u have to be a smart ass. hes just asking a question/
I'm thinking of getting a 6" travell freeride machine (eg Crappa FRM125 or Giant XTC AC1). How much can u put one through. And how much have u put 1 through?
Well, the formula for how much abuse they can take is:
54e^(2.3x) < 3a
Where X is the number of feet dropped to flat, E is Euler's constant, and A is your weight in pounds. This applies for each and every 6" travel bike, and is constant regardless of construction and your riding style. If the left side of said equation is equal to or more than the right side, the bike will fail catastrophically and you will suffer 4x^3 M s^-1, where X is again the number of feet dropped to flat, and M s^-1 is the unit for minutes of screaming.
how come u have to take all the physics to do with bikes so seriously?
he just asked a simple question so maybe hes not that experienced. that doesnt mean u have to be a smart ass. hes just asking a question/
shit, if i was serious about buying a bike that i knew i was gonna thrash i would use that (if it works :P )
realx dick, that is a serious answer yes but it may oneday be used. PLus dont think it hurt anyone by soket posting it
boonga
20-08-2003, 06:50 PM
yeah, socket why do u go on about all of that crap?
are u serious that u actually think it works?
only a complete retard would believe is some random numbers. i cant beleive someone would be stupid enough to actually beleive it.
just cause socket has alot of posts simo doesnt mean he is god.
i was asking simo this, amazed by his gullibility.
spudz
20-08-2003, 08:22 PM
Depends on your type of riding, I cracked my 2003 ac1 frame jumpin down stairs,(still under waranty) but i've also done drops,down hill @ 30km rides on it and is a great all round bike , but if your into drops @ downhill i'd recomend a downhill frame as i know i am already lookin 2 upgrade.
fastrider gus
20-08-2003, 08:31 PM
omg... you guys are stoooopeed!
read sockets post again and try to recognise the slight sarcasm...
juzza
20-08-2003, 09:24 PM
if u are a smooth rider, go for it, if not you may need a little more room to move. Six by six is fine for me, a little more would be nice but its sustainable
My god, I can't believe any of you actually took Socket's post seriously you toolkits.
The real answer is this much
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Not a newton more, not a newton less. It's that simple.
I'm thinking of getting a 6" travell freeride machine (eg Crappa FRM125 or Giant XTC AC1). How much can u put one through. And how much have u put 1 through?
Well, the formula for how much abuse they can take is:
54e^(2.3x) < 3a
Where X is the number of feet dropped to flat, E is Euler's constant, and A is your weight in pounds. This applies for each and every 6" travel bike, and is constant regardless of construction and your riding style. If the left side of said equation is equal to or more than the right side, the bike will fail catastrophically and you will suffer 4x^3 M s^-1, where X is again the number of feet dropped to flat, and M s^-1 is the unit for minutes of screaming.
you forgot that if E (E is Euler's constant) is multiplyed by PBF (pinkbike factor) X then equals real X+3 (feet)
Ah I think you mixed up your symbols there Ty, if it's going to be a PBF then X = X * 3, not +3. But yes, that's a valid point, and I forgot to mention that.
Disclaimer: the PBF rule is designed to be an integral safety precaution, which allows a margin of error in estimation so that you do not break your bike off a drop. The idea is that when using the PBF rule, the bike is only taking 1/3 the punishment it would otherwise take, because when you take a 6ft drop, it's now only actually a 2ft drop. However, mistakes have been made when using this rule, and people who have believed they were attempting a 10 foot drop were actually dropping 30 feet. As you would expect, any formula which the PBF rule applies to is obviously only for a drop to flat, since transitions are for girls. This has led to aforementioned catastrophic failure, and 4(30^3) = 108000 minutes of screaming. This is somewhat equivalent to the pain experienced if you were to amputate your testicles with sandpaper.
My god, I can't believe any of you actually took Socket's post seriously you toolkits.
The real answer is this much
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Not a newton more, not a newton less. It's that simple.
You missed a -
lupine128
21-08-2003, 12:01 AM
my god dick, were your mother and father bother and sister?
how could you possibly miss a joke that big.
p.s. if you were kidding, better say so now before the I.Q. police hunt you down for crimes against simians.....
um lupine do u think id be stupid enough to believe socket????
i knew he was joking, it just sounded like he was paying out the guy who asked the question, just cause he didnt know much.,
it was simo that actually believed socket....read he post and ull see.
peachy
21-08-2003, 08:49 AM
This has led to aforementioned catastrophic failure, and 4(30^3) = 108000 minutes of screaming. This is somewhat equivalent to the pain experienced if you were to amputate your testicles with sandpaper.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAhHAHaHAHhaahHHA
- c'mon guys its an obvious joke, he can't take the blame when someone is gullable
bikeman_baldrik
21-08-2003, 10:05 AM
Socket, why do you take the piss out of people by getting so "technical" and trying to sound smart.
Get a life and stop acting like a d*ckhead
whywalkwhenucanroll
21-08-2003, 10:08 AM
If u all want 2 know the joke then go 2 the 222 vs M1 page. Hes tryin 2 av a go at me cos i am arguing with him and then asked a simple question of all your experiance of differant bikes.
whywalkwhenucanroll
21-08-2003, 10:10 AM
Anyway, I am about 65kg and am relatively smooth. I am planin on doin the occasional stair gap and jumps an shit.
I'm not having a go at anyone. I'm just trying to point out that it's a pretty broad question, and not really answerable in a specific sense. Don't take it personally, in fact if you saw it as anything but a joke then I think you need help.
Anyway, I am about 65kg and am relatively smooth. I am planin on doin the occasional stair gap and jumps an shit.
Most 6" bikes would hold up to that alright. AC's, Norcos, Konas, Craftys, whatever, they're all fairly strong.
bikeman_baldrik
21-08-2003, 04:25 PM
I'm not takin it out of Whywalkwhenyoucanroll or anything, but as some1 who rides with him on a regular basis, i wouldn't describe his style as smooth, in my opinion, he could probably do with something a little more DH orientated.
Just my two cents
i would use that (if it works :P )
ah hem
thanks dick, nice to know u can read. oh no wait, damn, i just figured out why i snapped my k-mart bike, i used socket theory :roll:
damn, dick called me a retard, i'm soooo hurt like seriously, i'm gonna go crawl back into bed now and cry for the next 3 weeks. (this is a j-o-k-e)
Konaman
21-08-2003, 06:04 PM
i dont no much about technical shit, but how can u say a bike will take a certain height drop to flat with a formula, have u thought of the quality build of the bike? how smooth the rider is?
No, actually I completely forgot about the build quality and how smooth the rider is. I wasn't joking or anything... :roll:
4(30^3) = 108000 minutes of screaming. This is somewhat equivalent to the pain experienced if you were to amputate your testicles with sandpaper.
Ahahahahahahahaha funniest sh!t I have heard in a while :lol:
Back on the topic: A 6 inch duallie would be a good start, look at what some people do on 4 and 5 inch hardtails.
Happy riding. :wink:
CHEWY
21-08-2003, 06:18 PM
i dont no much about technical shit, but how can u say a bike will take a certain height drop to flat with a formula, have u thought of the quality build of the bike? how smooth the rider is?
bwhahahahhahaha!!
that is the funniest shit ive heard in a while!
i can recommend Kona's. I have a 2000 model stab frame and i'm not what we call....good or smooth ( :lol: ) but the bike's doing well and i'm...learning.
crozza
21-08-2003, 09:19 PM
damm boys its a little hot in this forum chill back dudes
6 inch is the best travel for a DH end of the FR scal of FR bike i rekon.
as long as u got descent forks and some good wheels u can put that baby n e where u like and if ur good enough just as fast as n e one else on longer travel bikes.
crozza
21-08-2003, 09:37 PM
true that i started off on a 6'' and i'm still ridin it
damn, dick called me a retard, i'm soooo hurt like seriously, i'm gonna go crawl back into bed now and cry for the next 3 weeks. (this is a j-o-k-e)
yes u are a retard. anybody who is gullible enough to believe what he said is a retard and u believed it which makes ur a retard.
also, i didnt actually say you were a retard. i was just implying it.
ur lame comeback really wasnt funny.
not tryin to turn this into a flaming match but here goes anyway. If you can't tell i was being sarcastic sorry, as i ALREADY said i never believed sockets theory. Anyways, think we should get back on topic and help this guy out
No hard feelings, all misunderstandings
yep ok, fair enough simo,
the guy didnt really get his question answered.
Gutty
22-08-2003, 10:28 AM
yes u are a retard. u believed it which makes ur a retard.
i didnt actually say you were a retard. i was just implying it.
This reminds me of a little story about a kettle and a pot.............hmm, what was the moral again ??
lupine128
22-08-2003, 10:37 AM
you really can't answer this question.
if you bought an old raceline frame that was ridden by a fat harsh gumby like me for 4 years, and rode it smooth, it would probably still break. the same frame preowned by some 50kg grandfather that only rode it twice will last longer. any new frame built for heavy freeride or DH will take a fair amount of punishment, but you will break it eventualy if you spend the first week of ownership training for the redbull run.
seriously, pick a bike you like the feel of, the spec of, and the color of, buy that one and see what happens. if you break it, come back here and tell everyone you are a hardcore god cause you killed the frame.
most bikes that are a year or so into a production run have had the faults ironed out, and those that haven't get a rep for being crap. when you have narrowed it down a cpl of frames, come an ask if people have a problem with this specific frame. just be prepared for half to say it's great, and half to say it's crap, and only half of them to give a reason :)
AirDog
15-09-2003, 11:23 PM
get a stinky man they can take anything
i recently hit a bigish tank drop 9ft ? (dunno i never measured but id say that buy the time you land ) too almost flat on it no probs. apart from my derrialer going but evrything else is fine
ive had a stinky pimped for racing for2 years put it thru hell 8ft to flat, 12ft to tranny its all about how smooth you are...flatlanding drops rear whel first..to tranny both wheels same time or front wheel first...and always land straight or atleast try to
Daver
16-09-2003, 01:13 PM
I had an ac3 with dnm forks and xt's and i went 10 to flat an 15 to tranny... i also weigh 100 kilos. It's all about how smooth you can land...
TREEHUGGER
16-09-2003, 05:11 PM
all I can say is that it really does depend on what the bike was designed to do. eg. cross country bike for cross country riding.
I have learnt the hardway at Ipswich in 2001 off the large drop off that was there into a 90 degree corner, I hit the tree instead of turning and snapped the headtube off my bike but still finished my race however. I laugh at this now because it was funny, but at the time I was abit upset.
P.S. if anyone has footage of this race (november 2001) I would really like to see how bad it looked :twisted:
kalem
16-09-2003, 05:49 PM
hahaaha this thread is a classic! hahaaha jeebus
and to answer the question... you might want to ask a more specific question.. like "would a crafty FRM handle lots of rough DH runs and medium drops under a 70kg rider? or would something else handle this riding better?" then you can get a usefull answer....
kalem
16-09-2003, 05:51 PM
get a stinky man they can take anything
i recently hit a bigish tank drop 9ft ? (dunno i never measured but id say that buy the time you land ) too almost flat on it no probs. apart from my derrialer going but evrything else is fine
it's not just about one off hits you realise... do that drop 10 more times and i wouldn't be surprised if a few cracks developed... or worse.
wombat
16-09-2003, 06:23 PM
BWAHAHAHAHA! I'm with Kalem, this is one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while!
I thought Socket's reply was a cacker, and was to be expected when such a broard question was asked.
Dick, you need to settle down mate, you're reading something into this which wasn't there, and if you keep thinking that hard you're bound to give yourself a headache.
Konaman, you're my hero! :D
Konaman
16-09-2003, 06:38 PM
yeh it takes skill to make replies as stupid as that one
bb7 rider
17-09-2003, 12:53 PM
wasnt that long ago 6er was a full blown dh only rig!!! i would have loved 6 inches back then it was a damn fortune and a luxury, oh what i am trying to say is if 6in was given heaps a few years ago why not now
you're right bb7
remember when the single crown Judy DH was THE fork to have, and 4" of travel was DH?
Commander Dilsnikk
17-09-2003, 01:23 PM
the good old...
gary fisher joshua zo
the best dh bike money gould buy at one point
4inches in the back and 3-4 of judyDH buttery travel....pure heaven....lol
it's definitely about what seems the best at the time though coz although i laugh about that bike now....there where days when i would have done anything to have it in my garage!!!
and back to the original question....ac1s and konas tend to be heavy beasts if set up well for freeriding....u don;t seem to weigh a lot...so....IMO......
get a hardtail......then upgrade in a few years when u reach its limits and have thus become a MUCH better rider in the process..... it makes u get a much better feel for riding...u learn to use ur weight much more and get that bike smooth over hairy stuff.......
then in a few years when u upgrade to a full blown DH or freeride (was that black diamond??? :) ) bike u'll kick people's arses and have a lot more fun
then of course it depends how old u r and how good u wanna get...
just my two cents....i may be biased coz i'm into the hardtail pride thing.....but i'm definitely not the only one who thinks it
Commander Dilsnikk
17-09-2003, 01:25 PM
sorry about the essay folks!!!
ohh...and i know it's not my place to preach...so if i've offended anyone's riding capabilities, etc. i was just trying to get my opinion out there....even if it was in no way relevant!!! lol
whywalkwhenucanroll
18-09-2003, 12:53 PM
Yay finaly some1 who doesnt just dismiss the question as 2 broard.
What i was really looking 4 was what ppl's experiances were with different make freeride bikes. If u have had a good 6'' er and u thought it was sik then say it and y it was good. (i thought it was pretty simple). sorry if i didnt make my self clear enough at the start.
Dont get me wrong, i'm not bitchen about ur replies.
and the Joshua zo was a URT
:shock:
Oh how times have changed...
Commander Dilsnikk
18-09-2003, 11:37 PM
mmm...trek "y" frame...that thing was BEASTY!!! URT to the max!!!
i saw a guy riding a joshua zo about 1 year ago...it looked incredibly funny coz he was alongside people on atx-dhs, etc.
they may be old-school but i still want one....i'm not sure why though...
dropbm
24-09-2003, 05:55 PM
forget the physics if you dont think six and six is enough go bigger then hit the trails with full commitment
fastrider gus
25-09-2003, 04:45 PM
look at midget man.. sorry i mean, robbie "air" bourdon, he did that 30ft drop in the rampage on a stinky with 6" f+r!!!
if that isnt good you show me what is..
look at midget man.. sorry i mean, robbie "air" bourdon, he did that 30ft drop in the rampage on a stinky with 6" f+r!!!
if that isnt good you show me what is..
Russ Morrell, doing exactly the same drop on a hardtail...
haha it's good, but I think you coulda picked a better example ;)
haha I think a few people took sockets post dead seriously then later made a few lame attempts at verifying that he/she knew it was a joke. names will be mentioned not :p
anyways (whywalkwhenucanroll) I think if you are smooth, an AC1 will work fine, but for that money ($4000-4500?) I would go for something leaning more towards the DH side. Giant's AC line is moreso freeride leaning towards XC, whereas I see lines like speshy bighits etc leaning more towards the DH side of things.
I go small but i've got no need to pretend im smooth (long way to go), and after seeing and hearing of cracked AC frames, im going to steer away from that.
I'd be more worried about the frame strength and componentry over suspension travel in terms of what you can do with it.
I think you should decide which sort of freeride bike you want first (a lighter FR that you can ride back up the hill easy or an entry level DH machine) and then worry about travel.
And if your actually smooth, you should be able to be very conservative with travel, so 6 inches should be plenty for most things. Even for someone not-so-smooth, 6 inches front and back is lots.
just my nooby opinion
-uDi
bazza
03-10-2003, 03:34 PM
these threads disturbe me.
Agent Orange
03-10-2003, 04:53 PM
i put my 6 inches through this mad blonde....
crozza
03-10-2003, 10:06 PM
what do u guys think of th 04 stinky??
It stinks real good.
Typical Kona. Madcore frame, lesser componentry (lots of in-house bits too), and can probably take a huge beating.
The forks are cheaper outsourced taiwanese forks. They are probably not terrible, but a jrT or something would make things much nicer.
Seems like a very nice piece of gear for $3k
Just whatever you do dont buy a norco if you plan on doing full on freeride stuff...
Theyre good bikes cuz they are cheap and have good parts...but they are real easy to crack
That's the first time i've heard that, I always thought norco's were tuffies.
I do think that their lower end VPS models are nastily spec'd though.. in terms of drivetrain and shifter componentry, I don't like their choice. Kinda leaves you a lot to upgrade. If you see a nice fork on a lowend norco, you can be sure that it's been balanced out by lesser gear everywhere else. That's only a problem for us poorbies though.
Yay for unsubstantiated claims.
Adski
10-11-2003, 02:32 AM
Props to Socket for the leftfield response. Best thing i've read since the GE equation a few years back in BIKE mag:
T = v(squared) x GE
T: Thrill
v: velocity
GE: Group Energy
Gutty
10-11-2003, 07:39 AM
Post re-birthing is a crime !!
peachy
10-11-2003, 08:32 AM
i put my 6 inches through this mad blonde....
AHAHAHahahHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: u serious? so she's like going crazy? was she in a straight jacket or just screwed up on "happy-drugs."
:lol: jks jks :lol:
whywalkwhenucanroll
02-12-2003, 10:09 AM
i gotta say, i thought that norcos were ment 2 b 1 of the stronger frames out there, not herd 2 much about them crackin.
CHEWY
02-12-2003, 05:53 PM
i think they only had troubles with cracking chainstays, and hopefully they'd of fixed that for 04
whywalkwhenucanroll
03-12-2003, 09:49 AM
indeed, would b no good buyin a brand new 04 norco, ride it 4 a while and then develop a crac in the stays - then again just send it 2 gripsport
Blonde kid on Morphine
03-12-2003, 06:55 PM
Lol you guys are a crazy bunch and all i have to say is i got a good hearty laugh out of sockets joke (rather sweet i thought ) and dick don't be such a DICK in future man you should just relax and stop trying to act tough
also just remember that we are all here to enjoy HT's and Dualies as much as we can so i think every one should take a time out and go hit some runs....... before it gets dark.
crozza
03-12-2003, 10:06 PM
that was the same for the ac wasn't it
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