how big a drop could ya flat on a 7x7 dually

[robree]

how big a drop could ya flat on a 7x7 dually

[CHEWY]

oh about 3 fitty

[Ty]

at least 30 feet.
seriously only you can answer this question, guys go 30 foot to tranny on hardtails so it really depends on you riding style, weight, suspension set up, etc etc

[robree]

ok so it shouldn't wreck my bike to be doing big drops to flat .. i'm on a 2003 stinky D

[kalem]

drops to flat will wreck your bike! Find a drop to a nice slope/transition and you will find it much more enjoyable!

[fastrider gus]

about 7-8 months ago i did a 7ft drop to flat.. basically just to shut up my mate who would never shut up about how he thought it was doable.. im still paying for it now.. i cracked the crown of my Z1's, my 3pc cromo cranks creak non-stop, and my rear hub shat itself..
doesnt sound like much, but when you think, i bought '03 boxxer race, then i needed a front disc brake, then i needed a new rear hub, and quite possibly rim, front wheel and levers to suit the brakes!!!
stick to dirt trannies..

[phsyco Miko]

all drops to flat are guy but you can go pritty dam big to down ramps and it is a lot more fun then to flat my mate has got a 2003 stinky d and they are good bikes they are pretty upright geometery so they are good drop bikes so go big.

[S.]

A 2ft to flat is likely to be more damaging than 6ft to good transition. No joke.

[trobb]

dops to flat suk ass they just hert and rek ya bike clearly by wat happened to guses bike

[curtisrider]

yeah any drop to flat is gay, no matter how good u r at riding your bike is likely to take some sort of damage.

[Dan]

dont even talk about dropping to flat. its got absolutly no use and no use unless u are a trials rider who can do it smoothly with style :roll:

[hardtail free rider]

steve ya tool get off if youve got nuthin better to do the sit on ur comp all day.

[S.]

steve ya tool get off if youve got nuthin better to do the sit on ur comp all day.

Wow, only a month late with that reply. Congratulations on your retardation!

[Simo]

what one big happy family :lol:

[sich nich]

i ride a 00 vps1 with a shade under 7 at each end and dropping to flat is stupid. it breaks things. in a place where u have to its best to land front first so the forks take it and the back follows smooth, and going as fast as u can go, so the angle of falling isnt so steep.
find a tranny and drop as big as u can hold ur bike for..

[kalem]

i ride a 00 vps1 with a shade under 7 at each end and dropping to flat is stupid. it breaks things. in a place where u have to its best to land front first so the forks take it and the back follows smooth, and going as fast as u can go, so the angle of falling isnt so steep.
find a tranny and drop as big as u can hold ur bike for..

i'd say going front first on a drop to falt would be the worst thing to do... but if it works for you...

[Glenn]

i remember Bender droped 30 ft to flat on his brand new apocolips and snaped his shock and his face! but you probably have more style then him... we all do. he is sick how he does 50 ft drops but have you seen him do no footers of like 30 ft drops and land on his balls... :lol: but i suppose untill i can do at least 20 ft drops i cant say much so ill leave it there. any one want to start Simmons vs Bender. :wink: :lol:

[sich nich]

i ride a 00 vps1 with a shade under 7 at each end and dropping to flat is stupid. it breaks things. in a place where u have to its best to land front first so the forks take it and the back follows smooth, and going as fast as u can go, so the angle of falling isnt so steep.
find a tranny and drop as big as u can hold ur bike for..

i'd say going front first on a drop to falt would be the worst thing to do... but if it works for you...

dude, it does work. only land front first a tiny bit. watch the first jindy vid (atmbc) where they go off the 3m high "lifesavers" skybridge. the guys land rear first and then slam the front into the ground, which in turn can toss u over the bars. dean collingridge tells us how to do it on the same vid. let the forks take up the initial hit then the rear will follow thru just dandy. it even works smoother with a trannie. front first kiddies... but know your limits... rear is safer but front is waaay smoother.

[bikeman_baldrik]

I'd tend to agree with Sich Nich on this one, Drops to flat aren't a terribly good idea on any bike as it is an easy way to damage components.
But if you are gonna do drops to flat you should land with the front wheel just slightly first.
Landing rear wheel first is just plain stupid as you get fork slap, just look what happened to Shaums March at the 2003 Red Bull Ride, he snapped his bike in half and folded his front wheel.

In the end it's up to you how big ur gonna go, I did about 9foot with no troubles but that was on softish dirt not concrete, so it really is up to you.

[fastrider gus]

i remember Bender droped 30 ft to flat on his brand new apocolips and snaped his shock and his face! but you probably have more style then him... we all do. he is sick how he does 50 ft drops but have you seen him do no footers of like 30 ft drops and land on his balls... :lol: but i suppose untill i can do at least 20 ft drops i cant say much so ill leave it there. any one want to start Simmons vs Bender. :wink: :lol:

that wasnt totally to flat dude.. he landed to tranny, but then got bucked off and landed face first onto flat bitumen.. off about a 10ft drop...
his bike was prety fubared...

[Glenn]

i think he would have done a few more then just one man.... Different drop!

[fastrider gus]

but that was the one he did on his new bike, just as he got it. off the side of a road...

[Konaman]

I dono about you and front wheeling to flat but i definitely wuldnt recommend that on a ht, do that off a 6 foot to flat uve got better chance busting ur chin up on ur bars or going over them then if u rear wheel. Though it might work on a big dually and front wheeling slightly is probly the best option if you have a decent tranny.
But everyone has there own opinion but i wuldnt recommend trying this front wheeling to flat technique of urs off of a drop to flat thats very big, ive found the best way to do it is fully rear wheel (this is on a ht) like trials style cause its still smooth at speed.

[AirDog]

yes but konaman we are not talking HT to do that on a dually you will get major fork slap and thats not good i don't wholy trust this front tyre first thing either but if they say it works then it must. on a ht rear first is always smooth unless you have no speed.

[S.]

yes but konaman we are not talking HT to do that on a dually you will get major fork slap and thats not good i don't wholy trust this front tyre first thing either but if they say it works then it must. on a ht rear first is always smooth unless you have no speed.

The smoothness of a drop to flat does not have anything to do with speed; landing rear wheel first (on a ht) is the smoothest way to to it at ANY speed.

[AirDog]

i've done plenty of drops on my ht of varying sizes and in my opinion it is alot easier to land when you have speed

[Ty]

speed only effects stability, you are still falling from the same hight, hitting the ground with the same force.

[S.]

speed only effects stability, you are still falling from the same hight, hitting the ground with the same force.

Yep, X and Y components of your movement are independent (because they're perpendicular) when you land to flat, therefore your speed has no effect on how hard you land, and how hard you land has no effect on your speed (neglecting any extra friction it may cause).

[sich nich]

speed only effects stability, you are still falling from the same hight, hitting the ground with the same force.

Yep, X and Y components of your movement are independent (because they're perpendicular) when you land to flat, therefore your speed has no effect on how hard you land, and how hard you land has no effect on your speed (neglecting any extra friction it may cause).

if ur going faster, ur velocity will be headed more across, or in the direction u are going rather than toward the ground. so, the faster u are going, the less steep the gradient of flight will be = force headed mor forward than downward.
try it. find a five footer to flat. do it at 10 kmh then do it at 50kms.
tell me how it goes

[matt462]

The vertical force on the bike and you for that matter are the same regardless of speed, but the force on the ground is less at any one point as it is spread out over more distance. This is because the force of landing it not instantaneous with suspension and the air in your tyres and the like. This also makes the force on your wheels spread out over more on the rim as well.

All this means is you will hurt the ground and your wheels less. The reason for speed feeling better is stability.

Anyway that's my uneducated opinion.

[bikeman_baldrik]

just drop it and tell us all the results of dropping to flat.

[AirDog]

i've droped lots to flat and i must say i enjoy down ramps more but i must also say i have never hurt my self and the only thing i'v ever broken is a rear wheel i tacoed but that happens when you do 2m to flat on a huffy rim.

[S.]

speed only effects stability, you are still falling from the same hight, hitting the ground with the same force.

Yep, X and Y components of your movement are independent (because they're perpendicular) when you land to flat, therefore your speed has no effect on how hard you land, and how hard you land has no effect on your speed (neglecting any extra friction it may cause).

if ur going faster, ur velocity will be headed more across, or in the direction u are going rather than toward the ground. so, the faster u are going, the less steep the gradient of flight will be = force headed mor forward than downward.
try it. find a five footer to flat. do it at 10 kmh then do it at 50kms.
tell me how it goes

That is completely irrelevant to a flat landing. As I said, the X and Y (X = horizontal, Y = vertical) components of your movement are independent because they occur at 90 degrees to each other. Consider this: ride forward along flat ground. Do you accelerate upwards or downwards? No. As you can see, whether you're moving horizontally or not has no effect on your vertical velocity or acceleration. Velocity cannot change direction, it is a vector consisting of speed and A (not any) direction; therefore if the speed in a particular direction changes, the velocity changes. As I have said several times now, if you're talking about vertical velocity, moving horizontally has no effect.

[Dan]

i wish i listend in science class :(

[fastrider gus]

that stuff doesnt bother me.. just jump off the thing and do what you need to do to land on 2 wheels..

[atxjohn]

dropping to flat is a great way to fuk ure bike its not fun , its not stylish , go find a D/S

[sich nich]

that stuff doesnt bother me.. just jump off the thing and do what you need to do to land on 2 wheels..

amen brother

[fastrider gus]

lol
heeell yea brotha!! :wink:

[fastrider_ben]

all that mathematical stuff dont mean much
ive seen heaps of trannnies that i thought were impossible to land smooth on and im like "gus u wont land that smooth" but he does lol
its all bout going fast and staying controlled

hey gus i turned HARDCORE yay

[dhcal]

find a sweet drop with an even better tranny, doing it 2 flat will break your bike....

[fastrider gus]

all that mathematical stuff dont mean much
ive seen heaps of trannnies that i thought were impossible to land smooth on and im like "gus u wont land that smooth" but he does lol
its all bout going fast and staying controlled

hey gus i turned HARDCORE yay

8) 8) 8)
congrats on the hardcoriness!!

[trobb]

drops to flat are gay. all they do is reck your bike and reck your self sometimes

[AirDog]

i say if you break stuff to flat its either cause it's to big or ya didn't land it properly. i've only ever broken a hub and it was cause i had a huffy wheel on the back

[bikeman_baldrik]

I reckon the size of the drop u can land depends on ur skill, and balls.
Loads of people drop huge things and land on pretty flat landings while others don't like to drop to flat at all.
I spose how much money u have is an issue as well, don't go too big if u can't afford to replace things if they break.

[Jade]

if trials riders can do 15ft + drops straight down why not go bigger on a dualie? I can't imagine its good for the bike, but come on... it can't be all smooth, its not always 4x out there

[atomik_mulisha]

Whats this forkslap stuff? So u say u don't get fork slap on a hardtail but u do on a full susser? hmm, i don't think theres anyreal issue with "fork slap" anyway. My opinion is that pretty much all drops to flat, anything over a few feet: 1. arn't fun 2. arn't smooth and 3. arn't skillful and y would u bother. The other thing, there are so many different types, and sizes and angles and distances etc. in all differnet jumps and drops that saying either front or rear wheel first wil lwork for all of them is ridiculous. You'll know how to land when ur in the air looking at the landing or maybe spotting it befor u hit it.

Oh yeh, speed will not help u land smoother, u will never beat gravity no matter how fast u r cranking.

[Agent Orange]

ok to put it simply.....try jumping off a 10 foot drop....if you make it go bigger..try 15 foot..make it go bigger...keep going and eventually you will know.....

I say there is no limit....basically as gus said just do the damn thing

[Rik]

Whats this forkslap stuff? So u say u don't get fork slap on a hardtail but u do on a full susser? hmm, i don't think theres anyreal issue with "fork slap" anyway.
Fork slap is what gives people handlebar imprints on their helmet. I'd say it's a pretty big issue...
Hardtail riders don't get it because they're trying with all their might to get over the back of the bike and drop the front down gradually. On a dually, that sort of effort is somewhat pointless, you might as well let the bike do it... and that's where forkslap comes in to play.

[naz]

Whats this forkslap stuff? So u say u don't get fork slap on a hardtail but u do on a full susser? hmm, i don't think theres anyreal issue with "fork slap" anyway.
Fork slap is what gives people handlebar imprints on their helmet. I'd say it's a pretty big issue...
Hardtail riders don't get it because they're trying with all their might to get over the back of the bike and drop the front down gradually. On a dually, that sort of effort is somewhat pointless, you might as well let the bike do it... and that's where forkslap comes in to play.
imprints on there helmet,try teetch implanted in ur bars or stem...

i rekon how big you go depends on the size of ur balls, and how many screws u got loose in ur head
i find nothin wrong with droppin to flat(trials) bike and it can look very stylinsh and smooth..only when u land rear wheel first :) unless ur scottair who is tryin to disprove physics and say its smoother landin both wheels at the same time... :twisted:

[bighitter]

as big as your mind and skill level will allow you too

[whywalkwhenucanroll]

Personally, dropin 2 flat isnt all bad if u stick 2 smaller stuff. goin bigger as ppl said b4 will break ur bike - i have tested this theory. doing it 2 trany is sooooo much smoother, i am pullung off 5ft 2 slope on a cracked warp with psylos, it hasent snapped yet. BTW the drops arent the reason its cracked. all that year 12 physics stuff is good 2 eat but when u get out on the bike it all explains it self prety quickly basicaly go by wot Bighitter said and ull b right.

[wonderllama]

i`d do almost ne thing ;)

[TOSS3R]

take it step by step..i had a apollo ages back that landed a 6ft to flat and still runs today...i reckon your 7x7 would have to be tougher than a LDX on anyday aswell.

[sifter]

i can take 5 foot to flat with my p2 yet brendan on his mindbomb can barely take 2 foot to flat and keep it sweet, it depends on skill, landing to flat, it seems i have that skill.

[Rik]

it seems i have that skill.
5' to flat woah skillz0r!!1