Full Face Helmets mandatory for all DH races

[thecat]

May as well get used to it s we will be implimenting this ruling at the Lithgow State round

from MTBA
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In line with a recent decision by the UCI on this subject MTBA will now mandate the use of full-face helmets in all DH events at all levels of activity in Australia.

Tony Scott, MTBA EO said, "This move has been contemplated for a few years now, and with the shift in UCI policy we now have a clear directive to protect our members by ensuring that riders in DH events are protected from head injury as much as possible. Full face helmet design has also advanced considerably in the last few years meaning that new lighter weight full face helmets are available and more fully compatible with DH MTB activity."

He added, "The use of full-face helmets will become mandatory as from July 1 2006, but I suspect that this decision will not adversely affect many of our members since, by and large, they pretty much use this type of helmet for DH events anyway. Members are reminded that all helmets used in MTBA sanctioned events must comply with the Australian standard or international equivalent and must have a compliance sticker to that effect. Helmets will be checked for a compliance sticker and will be rejected and entry to an event denied if a compliance sticker is not present."

MTBA also reminds all riders that a basic safety requirement is that handle bar ends and any bar-end extensions must have complete closure by the insertion of a firmly fixed bar-end plug.


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[Incontinent]

About time, this should have been a mandatory requirement for years not just a "recommendation". Even so mtb helmets are only rated for impacts of around 30kph. I can see a move to fullface "moto" helmets in the not too distant future.
As stated in the original post the vast majority of DH riders have and wear fullface helmets, I can only think of one race in the past couple of years that a rider turned up to a DH race with a 1/2 shell helmet.

[Daver]

What about 4x?

[thecat]

For MtnX you need a standards approved helmet. At this satge is doesn't state Full Face.

From memory MTBA guidelines state Australian Standard. Hopefully this will be ammended to include international standards

[Incontinent]

Had a look for "equivalent standards" and found that the standard that all the quality European helmets are made to is CE EN-1078. Is this standard acceptable for our purposes? Helmets made to this standard are typically Bell, Giro, 661, Laser and a host of lesser known helmets here.
Other applicable standards for cycling helmets found are,
ASTM F2040
AS 2063.1

I think we need clarification from MTBA which Standards they intend to apply for MTB helemets for DH/MTNX and XC well before the implimentation date.
I for one don't want to be the one to advise half of the field that they can't race because their helemts "ain't up to spec"

Anyone here know more about this topic?

[thecat]

Had a look for "equivalent standards" and found that the standard that all the quality European helmets are made to is CE EN-1078. Is this standard acceptable for our purposes? Helmets made to this standard are typically Bell, Giro, 661, Laser and a host of lesser known helmets here.
Other applicable standards for cycling helmets found are,
ASTM F2040
AS 2063.1

I think we need clarification from MTBA which Standards they intend to apply for MTB helemets for DH/MTNX and XC well before the implimentation date.
I for one don't want to be the one to advise half of the field that they can't race because their helemts "ain't up to spec"

Anyone here know more about this topic?

I'll forward this on to Tony. Another point raised else where was the the compliance sticker is usually the first thing to fall off. Perhaps MTBA can provide us with a list of approved helmets.

[BrumbyJack]

Yep, I had posted about the sticker and the list.... and I'm probably not the only one to mention it either.

I also was told that there was no australian standard for FF helmets, so it was an international standard being used????

I've just checked one of our helmets and it bears this sticker...This helmet complies with U.S.CPSC Safety Standard for Bicycle Helmets for Persons Age 5 and older

Can we get Tony or Gillian to provide a list of approved helmets please??

We would never dream of riding DH without a FF helmet... but I will be annoyed if I have to go out and buy new helmets because of some red tape (unless mine are not safe of course).

[thecat]

I also was told that there was no australian standard for FF helmets, so it was an international standard being used????

I've just checked one of our helmets and it bears this sticker...

Can we get Tony or Gillian to provide a list of approved helmets please??


Correct. Something to do with the chin gaurd restricting forward and side vision.

I have forwarded the concerns on and ask if a list of approved halmets can be produced.

[Incontinent]

Just found this on the internet.
Goes a little way to what to look for in an "approved helmet. (making a mark)

Helmet tips for cyclists, mountain bikers and inline skaters

When your neck is on the line
A good fit?
Only a well-fitted helmet which sits correctly can provide optimum protection for the head. This is a simple truth, but one that is often not followed in practice.
For cyclists, mountain bikers and inline skaters, this means that the helmet should not be tilted down toward the forehead or sit on the rear of the head. It should sit securely on the center of the head. The chin strap must be tightly secured, with the forward straps coming down parallel with the temples, and both rear straps running under the earlobes.

Making a mark
Test marks guarantee that helmets meet a set of minimum safety requirements.
For cycling helmets the CE Standard EN-1078 applies. This standard regulates helmets’ shock absorption properties and correct fitting on the head. The helmet should also bear one of the following national marks: ANSI Z 90.4, SNELL (USA); bfu R 8602 (Switzerland); BS 6863 (UK); AS 2063.1 (Australia); KOVFS 1985: 6 or SP-MET 1985.2 (Sweden) or the German mark TÜV/GS (TÜV tested).

Safety first
Even if a helmet which has been involved in a collision or accident seems completely undamaged to the naked eye, you should never use it again. Tiny, imperceptible cracks can considerably compromise the helmet’s protective properties.
Another tip – stickers or paints that you want to decorate the helmet with may contain solvents which compromise the helmet's stability. The helmet should be cleaned using water containing a little dish liquid or shampoo.

[BrumbyJack]

Well seeing our helmets are some US standard, I thought I go hunting for the NORBA helmet rules.... 16
1H. Rider’s Uniform
1H1. Helmets.
At all times when participating in an event held under a USA
Cycling event permit, any rider on a bicycle or motorcycle
shall wear a protective, securely fastened helmet thatഊsatisfies the standards specified in USA Cycling Policies. (See
Policy I, Sections 1 and 2.) [disqualification and a $20 fine for
failure to wear or for removing such a helmet during a race.
The fine is also applicable if the rider is not racing, but is
participating in the event.

Now I have to track down the policy that it is referring to, will add it to this post when I find it.

Just found it....USA Cycling Accepts European Helmet Standards


TO: USAC Officials





From: Shawn Farrell, Technical Director





USA Cycling has recently added the European helmet standard to its list of approved standards for legal bicycle racing helmets. In 1986, USA Cycling became the first cycling federation to make hard shell helmets required for all bicycle races. At that time we acknowledged numerous government agencies, such as SNELL, ANSI, and the US CPSC. In the last few years, the UCI has made hard shell helmets mandatory for all races, and a new standard has recently appeared on the market, the European Committee for Standardization. Helmets approved by the European Committee will carry stickers (ECS or CEN) similarly to the stickers found in all American-made helmets.





Here is the text of the revised policy I concerning helmets:

At all times when participating in or preparing for an event held under a USA Cycling permit, including club rides, all licensees who are mounted on a bicycle must wear a securely fastened helmet that meets either the US DOT helmet standards or one of the following standards:
(1) American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4;
(2) Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series;
(3) American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447.
(4) Canadian Standards Association (CSA) standard CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) standard for bicycle helmets;
(6) European Committee for Standardization (CEN) standard for bicycle helmets



Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a manufacturer's label, upon request by event officials. Beginning January 1, 2010, only the DOT, CPSC, and CEN helmet standards will be recognized.
This is only a minor change in protocol. You as officials may request to check stickers if you are not sure about a helmet, or for any other reason for that matter. Beware that not all helmets made in Europe are legal helmets with the correct stickers.
I had a rider show up at a race with a questionable helmet. I asked to see the sticker and he showed it to me saying it was a legal helmet but unfortunately it was made in Italy and the sticker was in Italian and he was not sure what it said. I told him I did read Italian and what it said was this, “this helmet has not been tested in any laboratory and cannot be considered safe for bicycle racing”. The moral is that just because a helmet has a sticker does not mean it is legal. Look for the designation CEN on the euro helmets.


This Article Published 2006-03-03 11:26:51 For more information contact: sfarrell@usacycling.org

So as least I know our helmets are legal in the USA :D

And the original policy, prior to the amendment posted above...

21
USA Cycling Policies
Policy I. Helmets
Section 1. Helmets Mandatory.
Part 1. At all times when participating in or preparing for
an event held under a USA Cycling permit, including club
rides, motorcycle drivers and all motorcycle passengers shall
wear a securely fastened helmet that meets the US DOT
motorcycle helmet standard.
Part 2. At all times when participating in or preparing for an
event held under a USA Cycling permit, including club rides,
all licensees who are mounted on a bicycle shall wear a
securely fastened helmet that meets either the US DOT
helmet standards or one of the following standards:
(1) American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard
Z90.4;
(2) Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series;
(3) American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM)
standard F-1447.ഊ(4) Canadian Standards Association (CSA) standard
CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
standard for bicycle helmets;
Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a
manufacturer's label, upon request by event officials.
Beginning January 1, 2010, only the DOT and CPSC helmet
standards will be recognized.

[BrumbyJack]

I thought I should track down the UCI rules as well... seeing as they are the "world" body.

Vague to say the least....

This is for DH racing, from the UCI rulebook. Mountain Bike Races (http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/4mou-E.pdf)

Clothing and protective accessories
4.3.012 An approved full-face helmet must be worn both when racing and when training on the course.
4.3.013 The UCI strongly recommends that riders wear the following protection:
• Back, elbow, knee and shoulder protectors made of rigid materials
• padding on shins and thighs
• Full-length tights with protectors
• Long sleeved shirt
• Full finger gloves.
§ 3

I'm still looking through the rule book to find where they "approve" helmets....

[toodles]

Ha ha ha.... the most popular DH helmet ever... the Troy Lee D2 hasn't got a compliance sticker.

Well worth the $400...

[thecat]

Have another look. Mine has a CE tag....

[Incontinent]

TLD claim their helemts meet or exceed CPSC / ASTM / DE standards and requirements, what ever thay are. Have a look under the lining, you will find a shit load of small labels relating to standards, date of manufacture etc.

[dirtdemon]

What about the condition of the helmet. There are plenty of riders out there that have a helmet that complies with the standard but are cracked or damaged. What is the use of saying it is OK if it complies, scrutineering of equipment should not only be for compliance but also "working order" as it is in many other sports.

We don't want to get to the next round and find the a helmet that doesn't have a compliance sticker won't pass, but a damaged one with a compliance sticker will.

[Wayno]

What about the condition of the helmet. There are plenty of riders out there that have a helmet that complies with the standard but are cracked or damaged. What is the use of saying it is OK if it complies, scrutineering of equipment should not only be for compliance but also "working order" as it is in many other sports.

We don't want to get to the next round and find the a helmet that doesn't have a compliance sticker won't pass, but a damaged one with a compliance sticker will.

Good point I think along with helmets, bikes should pass scrutineering as well bar plugs, Cable crimps on cable ends so on and so forth. Because if it was any other sport such as BMX or Moto X it would of happened years ago.

[thecat]

Good point I think along with helmets, bikes should pass scrutineering as well bar plugs, Cable crimps on cable ends so on and so forth. Because if it was any other sport such as BMX or Moto X it would of happened years ago.

We may have to move rego to friday to cope with the queques.

Yep, it should be done but logistics of having the right people there to do it would take some thinging.

Do you do it at rego? What if they just bring their mates bike and helmet to show you?

Do you do it at the start line and tell some kid who had already paid his $$$ that he can't ride?.

It's a complicated mess. Some advice from higher up would be nice.

Simplest way would be to put the onus on the rider. Have a section on the waver that states helmet and bike are up to standard, with a another signature. Stating if they then were injured using dodgy equipment they have no recourse. But Legally I doubt that would stand up for a length of time equal to the track record.

[BrumbyJack]

I think your suggestion is very good TheCat.... although it may not be legally bulletproof, I'm sure it would be a good hurdle.

Surely Farkin must have some legal eagles around that could give a "non professional" opinion on your waiver suggestion? Putting the responsibility back on the rider for compliance.

[Wayno]

Your right about it being a logistic nightmare but it is done in motoX all the time, does anyone know how this is done? Yes some advice from higher up would be nice.

An example that I seen was, I went to a Moto race with a friend who was racing and they went over his whole bike before racing and they did it for about 150 bikes that were racing on that day his actually got pulled up because his clutch lever was to short (he had cut it down) and had to get/buy another lever befor racing.

What I was thinking is maybe spot checks. Maybe clubs could purchase things like a bunch of push in bar plugs to sell in pairs and maybe crimps for the cables, money to support the club and safety for all riders or somthing like that. Basic maitenence is up to the rider and I think most people look after their bike pretty well, I don't think we should check every nut and bolt because your right that would take to much time. Also the thing about telling some kid they can't race after they have paid their $$$ is going to happen if his or her helmet isn't of standard once it comes into action.

Being the DH co-ordinator of the CCOMTB club, someone who has worked in many bike shops, and still in the trade and also being a rider/racer then seeing what happens when people don't make there bike safe, scrutineering is something I have wanted to do for ages even at just a club level. These are just thoughts, but I would love to see this sport become much more professional and safe. Something to think about and something that needs to be discussed

[Brad_morris_mfr]

Do protec helmets pass the requirments for 4cross?

[thecat]

Not at the moment. The 06 models should be Standards approved.

[youngone]

Hey Flynny,
Do motocross helmets pass the standard. I know they're uncool but are they legal?

And in regards to scrutineering just get Ego to do it. He's soooooo fast he'd have plenty of time between runs to check bikes. Can't have him standing around doing nothing.;) Just jokes- it would be a nightmare to organise. All the best for sorting it all out mate.

[thecat]

Hey Flynny,
Do motocross helmets pass the standard. I know they're uncool but are they legal?


Moto helmets are even better (as long as they are standards approved).
I think the incontenient one said bike hlemts are only crash rated at 30km/h.

Santa Cruise Syndicate made it mandatory for all their riders to wear moto helmets after J-Wads crash.

[BrumbyJack]

OK, I need something official fast!!! I'm just about to get a helmet, well before Lithgow anyway.

Is that CPSC standard from USA going to be accepted???

Have any of the official type people on here heard any news from MTBA yet?

BTW, are moto helmets heavier than bike ones??? What about the weight/neck factor for younger riders???

[Incontinent]

Spoke with MTBA late last week and the following is confirmed.
This pretty much covers requirements for all MTB helmets.
It was pointed out that the condition of a riders helmet will be taken into account during any checks, eg, obvious cracks and stress fractures, condition of the lining and padding etc.


Making a mark
Test marks guarantee that helmets meet a set of minimum safety requirements.
For cycling helmets the CE Standard EN-1078 applies. This standard regulates helmets’ shock absorption properties and correct fitting on the head. The helmet should also bear one of the following national marks: ANSI Z 90.4, SNELL (USA); bfu R 8602 (Switzerland); BS 6863 (UK); AS 2063.1 (Australia); KOVFS 1985: 6 or SP-MET 1985.2 (Sweden) or the German mark TÜV/GS (TÜV tested).

[Cuthbert]

Reading this I'm now worried about the adequacy of my equipment, as I'm sure are many others.....

I have 2 helmets, an Odessey apache and a Giro mad max. A close inspection of both (without going to the point of ripping out the glued part of the lining)has shown that neither is marked with any of the approved standards specified above, however the Odessey is stated to comply with the US CPSC which is not on the 'approved' list.

Does this mean I can't race in these lids although both were purchased in oz and would therefore be assumed to meet the required Australian Standard. Can anyone shed some light on this ?

Cuthbert

[MrCove]

Spoke with MTBA late last week and the following is confirmed.
This pretty much covers requirements for all MTB helmets.
It was pointed out that the condition of a riders helmet will be taken into account during any checks, eg, obvious cracks and stress fractures, condition of the lining and padding etc.


Making a mark
Test marks guarantee that helmets meet a set of minimum safety requirements.
For cycling helmets the CE Standard EN-1078 applies. This standard regulates helmets’ shock absorption properties and correct fitting on the head. The helmet should also bear one of the following national marks: ANSI Z 90.4, SNELL (USA); bfu R 8602 (Switzerland); BS 6863 (UK); AS 2063.1 (Australia); KOVFS 1985: 6 or SP-MET 1985.2 (Sweden) or the German mark TÜV/GS (TÜV tested).

just checking through my helmets, which may or may not have been used in MTBA sanctioned races in the past,,,,

Giro Exodus, no visable test/rating sticker, although judging by the smell of it it should carry a public health warning!!

Giro Xen, brought in from Canada, carries sticker, COMPLIES WITH USA CPSC SAFETY STANDARDS..........Y1380566

TLD D2, brought in from Canada, sewn in to the liner states, MEETS ASTM F1446/F1447

so are any of these helmets 'official', it's a bit confusing

according to Brumby's post the Xen and the TLD should be but according to Incontinants they won't be?!?!?

A

At all times when participating in or preparing for an event held under a USA Cycling permit, including club rides, all licensees who are mounted on a bicycle must wear a securely fastened helmet that meets either the US DOT helmet standards or one of the following standards:
(1) American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4;
(2) Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series;
(3) American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447.
(4) Canadian Standards Association (CSA) standard CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) standard for bicycle helmets;
(6) European Committee for Standardization (CEN) standard for bicycle helmets



A

[drewandmel]

moto scrutineering isn't as bad as you think, they get through alot of bikes very quickly, they only check dangerous items eg bar ends , levers, spokes, wheel bearings etc, its not a full mechanical inspection, most are done in less than a minute and thats on a moto, to do the same for mountian bikes wouldn't be too bad.
You could do it at rego or as people lined up for transport, yor only problem would be to get every one to agree to make it happen.
I think this would be a hassle for sure, but if it saved 1 person from a nasty crash/ cut per race meet through mechanical failure that could have been avoided, its something that should be looked into.


Ps. Mr Cove your tld helmet isn't a D2 it's a............. D9 ... well it should be with the amount of dirt that things moved!!!!

[BrumbyJack]

I'm concerned that Incontinent's list doesn't have CPSC as a standard for the USA, but seing that the US regulations are not going to accept SNELL after 2010, I think CPSC must be superior to SNELL and just an omission from that list...

(5) U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
standard for bicycle helmets;
Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a
manufacturer's label, upon request by event officials.
Beginning January 1, 2010, only the DOT and CPSC helmet
standards will be recognized.

I'd be prepared to stand my ground on that... but will probably just not bother racing instead.

[Incontinent]

I'm concerned that Incontinent's list doesn't have CPSC as a standard for the USA, but seing that the US regulations are not going to accept SNELL after 2010, I think CPSC must be superior to SNELL and just an omission from that list...



I'd be prepared to stand my ground on that... but will probably just not bother racing instead.

This will only be a problem for you if you intend to race in the US.

MTBA listed SNELL as the current acceptable standard. If it is to be phased out in 2110 then obviously the standard that replaces/superseeds SNELL will take precedence.

Basically any "decent" helmet with any country's safety standards approval will be acceptable.
The helmet will have to be in "servicable condition" and the applicable approval decals will have to be attached to the helmet. Helmets with AS 2063.1 approval have the label affixed to the outside shell, most other country's approval labels are on the inside, under the helmet lining.

[leitch]

Reading this I'm now worried about the adequacy of my equipment, as I'm sure are many others.....

I have 2 helmets, an Odessey apache and a Giro mad max. A close inspection of both (without going to the point of ripping out the glued part of the lining)has shown that neither is marked with any of the approved standards specified above, however the Odessey is stated to comply with the US CPSC which is not on the 'approved' list.

Does this mean I can't race in these lids although both were purchased in oz and would therefore be assumed to meet the required Australian Standard. Can anyone shed some light on this ?

Cuthbert


hey mate ive got an odyssey apache too, and its got a sticker on the inside saying "certified to ASTM F1447; ANSI Z90.4 helmet standards" so according to both incontinent and brumby jack's lists, they should be fine

[wsmtbdhvp]

From MTBA April 22nd,
Subject: MTBA approved helmet standards - clarification
Have left this part out!
If you are agreeable I will email this to the media outlets on Monday.

[Bender_1234]

does anyone have a list of helmets that would pass? Or do i just look in my full face for a sticker having random numbers and letters in it? Im sure a sticker in there fell out once, don't know what was on it though.

anyone got a list?

[wsmtbdhvp]

From: "Tony Scott" <mtba@bigpond.com>
To:
Subject: MTBA approved helmet standards - clarification
Date: Saturday, 22 April 2006 6:29 PM

All,

As you are aware the UCI recently made full-face helmets mandatory
for all DH events on the international scene.

MTBA has followed suit and has additionally stated that all helmets
need to be compliant with the Australian Standard or an international
equivalent.

Subsequent to this I have fielded several discussions from industry
wishing to be assured that the helmets they sell will be useable.

Additionally I am aware that at least 1 importer has actually gone
through the process of gaining full Australian standards compliance
for a FF DH helmet.

This prompted me to ask the question of our legal advisors and our
insurers that if Australian standard helmets were available (noting
that previously this was not the case) are we safe in still allowing
helmets with international compliance to be used.

The clear answer from both was that we are safe to do so.

So I propose the following addendum:

####

Further to the recent statement from MTBA that from July 1 2006 full-
face helmets will be mandatory at all MTBA sanctioned DH events we
now release the first list of standards that MTBA will accept as an
international equivalent to the Australian/New Zealand Standard 2063.

(1) American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4;
(2) Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series;
(3) American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447.
(4) Canadian Standards Association (CSA) standard CAN/CSA-D113.2-M;
(5) U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) standard for
bicycle helmets;
(6) European Committee for Standardization (CEN) standard for bicycle
helmets

Other standards may be added from time to time.

It is important to recognise that the Australian Standard (AS2063) is
generally considered to be one of the toughest in the world to pass
and thus as full-face helmets for bicycle use that also comply with
AS/NZ 2063 become available we strongly recommend that such helmets
be used where ever possible. We are certainly encouraging importers
of bicycle helmets to undergo the Australian certification process.

We also note, that consistent with the latest announcement from
Cycling Australia concerning helmet standards for on-road cycle
events, all helmets that will be worn when riding on public roads
need to be certified by the Australian Standard (AS2063). Thus
helmets that only comply with international standards are not
permissible for use on the road.

Further clarification can be obtained from MTBA.

####
_________________________________________
Tony Scott
Executive Officer
Mountain Bike Australia
PO Box 17
Mirani Qld 4754
0416 228 016 (mob)
61 7 4959 1913 (office)
Personal: tony.scott@mtba.asn.au
General: info.mtba@mtba.asn.au or mtba@mac.com
Web: www.mtba.asn.au
_________________________________________

[mtbmamma]

This will only be a problem for you if you intend to race in the US.

MTBA listed SNELL as the current acceptable standard. If it is to be phased out in 2110 then obviously the standard that replaces/superseeds SNELL will take precedence.

Basically any "decent" helmet with any country's safety standards approval will be acceptable.
The helmet will have to be in "servicable condition" and the applicable approval decals will have to be attached to the helmet. Helmets with AS 2063.1 approval have the label affixed to the outside shell, most other country's approval labels are on the inside, under the helmet lining.I know from a motorcycling point of view that even if you haven't crashed with your helmet taking the impact, they recommend that after 5 years you replace it due to general wear and tear. So what ever happens in 2010 most should have replaced their helmets by then to the current accepted standard of the time.:o

[anthony69]

Good point guys,

I also think it should be COMP. to wear full face helmets for any intense riding.

Owell. gets in the way, but it may choose wheather you have brain damage or not.

Think its too heavy? - Spend a couple more $$ and get lighter one.

I even wear Full face when im at the skate park mucking around, beacuse i know its alot safter than wearin a lid..


Anthony

-- Selling Custom Giant DH comp $1500 (BEST.parts.on.it)

[benji boy]

I know from a motorcycling point of view that even if you haven't crashed with your helmet taking the impact, they recommend that after 5 years you replace it due to general wear and tear. So what ever happens in 2010 most should have replaced their helmets by then to the current accepted standard of the time.:o

In the Troy Lee Designs owners manual they say you should replace it after 2 years. with out any significant falls and with a significant fall it should be checked by the manufactiour for any cracks and damage.

Maybe 5 years might be a bit to long for a helmet to last depending on the conditions its used in dont u think?

[nomis7]

In the Troy Lee Designs owners manual they say you should replace it after 2 years. with out any significant falls and with a significant fall it should be checked by the manufactiour for any cracks and damage.

Maybe 5 years might be a bit to long for a helmet to last depending on the conditions its used in dont u think?

Does the Carbon fibre start to loose stregnth or somthing?:confused:

[benni]

Does the Carbon fibre start to loose stregnth or somthing?:confused:

nah its just tld covering their asses, mine has it to and its a normal d2. my netti did aswell "must replace after hard crash"

[nomis7]

nah its just tld covering their asses, mine has it to and its a normal d2. my netti did aswell "must replace after hard crash"

Yeah that's fair enough. still 600 bucks every two years.:o

[benni]

Yeah that's fair enough. still 600 bucks every two years.:o

i agree. but if it would save your life... if you think about it that way.. ive never crashed on mine two hard

[$$$jack-konastinkdog$$$]

HI
yea i fully agree with the move, i personally feel alot safer with a fullface helmet when i am riding downhill.

[ango93]

About bloody time!!!!!!!!!I mean just in time i only just bought a helmet:):):)