Who is NSWMTB?

[dirtdemon]

Excuse my ignorance but who is NSWMTB? I can see that you are organising races, but is that all you do? My club website mentions nothing about a NSW organisation - neither does the MTBA website.

Do I have to join?
Who is on the committee?
What is the aim? Do you have a charter or something?
Which clubs are affilliated?

I may be, and probably am, the only one in NSW who does know, but just in case I'm not perhaps me and alot of others would like to know what it going on.

[thecat]

Basically the commity has been set up this year to help better organise the state series. It's basically the same guys who have been doing it in the past but now in an official compasity which hopefully leads to better organisation and promotion.

It's still up to the individual hosting clubs to organise and put on their races. The commity willset out guidelines and so forth to help bring the level of state races up to where it should be.

[Incontinent]

Glad you fielded that one Flynny.

I was going to say that we are just a bunch of old buggers who scam a few extra bucks out of each rider so we can have a decent piss up after each race.

[thecat]

the Truth is out there....

[Squidly Didly]

Why wasn't I informed of this kitty?

[dirtdemon]

Incontinent, squidly didly, the cat interesting committee. So who's the leader?

[alchemist]

Why wasn't I informed of this kitty?

They didn't think you drink

[sammydog]

Squid doesn't drink, he waits till others have and then slips stuff in their drinks.

[thecat]

Why wasn't I informed of this kitty?

Stop calling me kitty.

[Squidly Didly]

meow :D ...

[drewandmel]

Old people, Beer, I'm in!!

[pyley]

I have to say that nswmtb have done a bang up job. The lithgow state round was a great success. After the hats at thredbo, the class of kit given to each of the podiums was great! The fact that you had 250 plus riders made the transport a bit tricky and who would have thought another chopper was going to be required.....

Keep up the good work!
cause without D/H i'd have nothing to do on weekends.

peace

[Dazed&Confuzed]

What's in the name?
I've been wondering what the "T" stands for in NSWMTB and MTBA.
Is it Mountain and Trails Bike or Mountain and Trials Bike or just MounTain Bike?

Some trivia about names; the controlling bodies of Motorcycling in Australia are the various Auto Cyle Unions. So you have ACUNSW, ACUSA etc. When the Northern Territory had enough riders to form their own group they went against the grain and called themselves the Northern Territory Auto Cycle Union.

[thecat]

Mt. is short for mountain so MTB is mountain bike....

[Sutek]

I have to say that nswmtb have done a bang up job. The lithgow state round was a great success. After the hats at thredbo, the class of kit given to each of the podiums was great! The fact that you had 250 plus riders made the transport a bit tricky and who would have thought another chopper was going to be required.....

Keep up the good work!
cause without D/H i'd have nothing to do on weekends.

peace
]
Wish I would have seen this post earlier.
Norco Australia supplied nearly $1,000 retail value of assorted gear (gloves/bottles/socks/hyration packs/armour/stickers/hookers) as prizes and giveaways on the race day at Lithgow. I cold-called Flynny of ctmtb and Insane Cycles expressing my interest in supporting their round, in lieu of the criticism given to RawNRG, after Thredbo. We weren't asked to do this, although Flynny did say he was going to call me anyway.

It had nothing to do directly with NSWMTB government or their cronies. I have no problem with what NSWMTB are trying to acheive, but it disappoints me when industry get behind this sport and credit is not given to the right people/orgs. This is why alot of industry has been reluctant to donate product in the past. It costs actual money - and because we're in business also (yes - we strive to turn a greedy profit from you all;) ) we'd appreciate a return on our investment. That can be as simple as basic recognition for support to the right area.

Flynny was the one mainly responsible for sorting prizes out at Lithgow, after negotiating with me. Give him the credit for that day's success rested largely on his shoulders. Well done THECAT!!!

ALL HAIL THECAT and the INSANE BOYS!!

It was a terrific round, and we'll hopefully be sticking our heads up with more gear at Stromlo so look out. We, Norco Australia, see the need for industry suppport to make YOUR sport productive. At your next race, DH XC whatever, take note of the support and give thanks. Then those donating will know you're

Rant over.....(he removes tampon for inpection):p

[Squidly Didly]

It had nothing to do directly with NSWMTB. I have no problem with what NSWMTB are trying to acheive, but it disappoints me when industry get behind this sport and credit is not given to the right people/orgs. This is why alot of industry has been reluctant to donate product in the past. It costs actual money - and because we're in business also (yes - we strive to turn a greedy profit from you all;) ) we'd appreciate a return on our investment. That can be as simple as basic recognition for support to the right area.
Don't get me wrong boofhead, but isn't it your job to make sure you've got an idea of how CTMBC was going to 'promote' your product in return for spono? And if it didn't meet what you had expected, then it could've been addressed eh ;)

Just you wait for the State Championships. You thought the podium at Ourimbah went off last year! HAH ... It's got nuffin http://forums.farkin.net/images/icons/icon14.gif

[sammydog]

I wasn't there unfortunately, but was it widely known among the riders that Norco was sponsoring and contributing to the race??

This is the first I have heard of it.

As much as NSWMTB needs to promote the sport, surley if sponsors come on board for a particular round, the event hosts should be out there plugging the crapper out of whoever puts their hand up to support the event. Like I said, this is the first I have heard of this sponsorship for the lithgow round.

Only need to look at the Buller National Round, the event organisors pretty much stuffed the sponsors down your throat all weekend. It seems to me that Victoria gets the lions share of industry support although this probably revolves more around the amount of industry located down there.

Huge props though to Norco for supporting the event.

[Sutek]

Don't get me wrong boofhead, but isn't it your job to make sure you've got an idea of how CTMBC was going to 'promote' your product in return for spono? And if it didn't meet what you had expected, then it could've been addressed eh ;)

Just you wait for the State Championships. You thought the podium at Ourimbah went off last year! HAH ... It's got nuffin http://forums.farkin.net/images/icons/icon14.gif

Granted beeyatch, but a little hard as I had to go visit the hospital for an unexpected emergency that arvo. Ask me about it later.

BUT, dork, isn't it YOUR job as Prime Minister of NSWMTB to have a handle on all your round organisers and to be in touch with sponsorship for each of them? If you ACTUALLY want to see this work, then you need to be in touch more closely with each round/club management. Commonsense really.
You should have a protocol listed to each affiliated club as to their obligations when it comes to such things as sponsorship. This is pretty basic stuff and if you want to argue it ballboy, we can do it over a bunch of fives:D
TheCat did a great job on the day plugging his sponsors over the PA, as well as getting banners up etc.

ANyway, I'm not crying - we had a great time until I had to leave early for an emergency baby arrival:D We'll be seeing yous at the next one in ACT.

Squid, now I know why you're so damn ugly. How could anything remotely goodlookin grow from such shitty compost;)
Love Slut.
Logging out girls - I'm on a promise.;)

[Squidly Didly]

Granted beeyatch, but a little hard as I had to go visit the hospital for an unexpected emergency that arvo. Ask me about it later.
Did a 12yo girl on a recumbent riding uphill knock you off your bike again?
BUT, dork, isn't it YOUR job as Prime Minister of NSWMTB to have a handle on all your round organisers and to be in touch with sponsorship for each of them?
Yep, that's why all the other sponos got their logo on everyones number plate. You were just too slow


You know I still love ya ... bitch :)

[thecat]

I cold-called Flynny of ctmtb and Insane Cycles expressing my interest in supporting their round, in lieu of the criticism given to RawNRG, after Thredbo. We weren't asked to do this, although Flynny did say he was going to call me anyway.


The problem most clubs face is getting in touch with the right person. I'm pretty sure we had fired off a emails for previous stuff without results which was why I was over the moon when you rang and offered such great support.

It's great to have some one in the industry that not only wants to help support the races but also gets out there and help promote themselves.


It had nothing to do directly with NSWMTB government or their cronies. I have no problem with what NSWMTB are trying to acheive, but it disappoints me when industry get behind this sport and credit is not given to the right people/orgs.

To be fair NSWMTBA was/is in it's infancy and had no control over the Thredbo round at all. Nor did it have any control over our round other than teh fact that I went tot he committy meeting and Squid organised for Farken to do the plates.

At the moment we can only offer guidelines to hosting clubs. Next year when organising the series we can say "Well this club/venue/promter dropped the ball lets give someone else a go...."

Hopefully we can get to the stage where NSWMTBA can approach major sponsors directly as an organised body rather than leaving the big stuff up to individual clubs. Time will tell.

[sammydog]

The problem most clubs face is getting in touch with the right person. I'm pretty sure we had fired off a emails for previous stuff without results which was why I was over the moon when you rang and offered such great support.

It's great to have some one in the industry that not only wants to help support the races but also gets out there and help promote themselves.

Not wrong there, so it is really refreshing to see someone in the industry wanting to help at this level, hopefully sutek and Norco will come back again and gain more from the race next season.

I think this issue does highlight the need for NSWMTB to formulate a standard for races (be it DH,XC,4X). Standards for prizes, timing, shuttles/access, track standard, first aid etc. Get it all sorted before next season and maybe more industry support will come on board.

Generally I think things have really been on the rise this year and the numbers reflect it, but the oportunity exists to set the standard of the series higher next year.

[wsmtbdhvp]

Seeing NSWMTB will one day be dissolved, I have been trying not to set up rules that will create a problem when we finally get properly back into CA.

On saying that DH has proved to be a problem, so after Squid and I have had a few discussions, how about this one? We have next years DH series as 4 rounds and championships the clubs from the regions bid as per the nationals with a certain criteria having to be met by the successful bid.
Professional timing (which we already have) prizes minimum Elite, 3 x entry, Others cash or product. Minimum for classes with riders < 5 entry back for first (which we do not have), Transport must function in all weather.

No day licenses to all state races, and I will say day licenses are supposed to let riders try out the sport, ride one of the many club races on day licenses then get a license and try state.

Another one to think about, Regionals, a club from the region holds a race it can be used to qualify for state races. Say Hunter gets it new track built but wants to see how it will go before they hold a state race, then in 2007 Hunter hold the regional before say Central Coast holds the state race. Or as another example Nundle wants to hold a race, a regional is at Nundle to test it before Coffs or Kempsey hold the state race. Regionals would have day licenses. Thoughts?

On the XC front, what would we standardize; I still have not found a formula that XC likes. 45 riders to Thredbo, riders do not like altitude or is it travel? 80 odd to Hunter not bad, but still disappointing and it’s a great track and cash money! Wollongong, good effort 95 riders the biggest of the season but still under 100. SORC, do not hold races on Saturday (Sorry Donna, in future please get married on Saturday or get married at the race) I have let XC do what they want after Neil Barlow set the calendar at the first state meeting, this season has unfortunately kept the downward trend. Suggestions on how we fix this?

4X or Mountain X, Matt argued everything should be standardized in this new version of BMX for big bikes. Matt said he would be state MTNX person and then? Thredbo gave out hats, had problems with the gate, had problems with the program, but had a very good track. SOPMMX had problems with the program. Green Grocers had no problems may be inconsistency in gate starting and not enough slope on gate. Ebenezer is not yet finished. We are desperately trying to build tracks right now we have 4 in the state Green Grocers, SOPMMX, Black Hill and Armidale, and Thredbo which will only be partially demolished each winter in the future, only enough to run a series. I am reluctant to impose many rules on a very new sport and one of the things the BMX enjoy is little bitching and easy going races. Rules interpretation is left to the organizers.

[sammydog]

So you want clubs to host club rounds, regional rounds and state rounds. Please tell me where this fits into the already conjested calander??? I can't see it fitting in anywhere without significant clashes.

Our XC figures have the numbers at higher than 80 odd for our state round, not bad considering we picked up the race 3 weeks out due to another club not coming through with its round (that talking to them they didn' know they had in the first place).

Thredbo XC, try the fact the track is terrible for XC and the prizes worse. Long way to travel for not much.

My thoughts on the XC this year, poorly organised with confusion reigning over whether events were actually on or not and where they would be.

Standards for DH with a certain criterea is spot on. But this criterea has to be released to the clubs so we know what we are bidding on. No point picking the races and telling people the rules later. It needs tio be done up front. Criterea like this must also be put in place for XC and 4X if the series are to be viable with numbers tunring up.

I think the problems of no standardised rules is why thredbo turned out to be thredbo yet again. Thats why numbers have been down at the XC events.

Promotion of the series is another factor that needs to be looked at, but I will end my rant there.

[Old Shagger]

Hey Steve, i read with interest all that is being said.....basically the common goal seems to be that what is wanted is what we had previously when myself and the crew were under the ca banner, with our series....so much of the talk, wishes for future etc sound like a reinvention of our series...not a bad concept, as using hindsight, with new knowlege and experience could create a much more proffessional series for all forms of mtb codes and for sponsors alike...N

[poindexter]

4X or Mountain X, Matt argued everything should be standardized in this new version of BMX for big bikes. Matt said he would be state MTNX person and then? Thredbo gave out hats, had problems with the gate, had problems with the program, but had a very good track. SOPMMX had problems with the program. Green Grocers had no problems may be inconsistency in gate starting and not enough slope on gate. Ebenezer is not yet finished. We are desperately trying to build tracks right now we have 4 in the state Green Grocers, SOPMMX, Black Hill and Armidale, and Thredbo which will only be partially demolished each winter in the future, only enough to run a series. I am reluctant to impose many rules on a very new sport and one of the things the BMX enjoy is little bitching and easy going races. Rules interpretation is left to the organizers.


I do believe i never agreed to be the state rep. i was just appointed.

As for thredbo, my info is that it was the best run race to date so perhaps you should talk to the riders about what they think.

[scblack]

What's in the name?
I've been wondering what the "T" stands for in NSWMTB and MTBA.
Is it Mountain and Trails Bike or Mountain and Trials Bike or just MounTain Bike?

Some trivia about names; the controlling bodies of Motorcycling in Australia are the various Auto Cyle Unions. So you have ACUNSW, ACUSA etc. When the Northern Territory had enough riders to form their own group they went against the grain and called themselves the Northern Territory Auto Cycle Union.
Haha - remember when everyone wanted to be a SNAG? Or was a Yuppie?

I was a Caring Understanding Nineties Type.

[thecat]

that waswhat is wanted is what we had previously when myself and the crew were under the ca banner,

Or what AMBA had before CA stuffed it all up....

[Gravjunkie]

The start of this thread was, "What is NSWMTB?"
It seems to have degenerated into a bit of a shifting blame and arse covering exercise.
In my opinion NSWMTB is a bunch of people who give a shit about helping mountain biking staddle the gap between club races (officiated by clubs) and National races (officiated by MTBA, or Tony Scott).
Thank you to all those people and in particular Steve Humphries.
Volunteers are who keep this sport progressing.

[sammydog]

The start of this thread was, "What is NSWMTB?"
It seems to have degenerated into a bit of a shifting blame and arse covering exercise.
In my opinion NSWMTB is a bunch of people who give a shit about helping mountain biking staddle the gap between club races (officiated by clubs) and National races (officiated by MTBA, or Tony Scott).
Thank you to all those people and in particular Steve Humphries.
Volunteers are who keep this sport progressing.

You say this thread has degenerated into shifting blame and arse covering, yet a lot of people contributing to this thread also contribute to NSWMTB. Personally I don't see any blame shifting and arse covering.

The problem is a lot of issues should be kept within the private NSWMTB forum, not aired in the public.

NSWMTB was originally formed in part to help NSW get its hands on the development fund held by MTBA. This fund is a substantial amount of money, but unfotunately the only way to get at it was to form an incorporated state body. Sorry I lie, the other option was to have ALL in NSW clubs agree on how to spend the money, and given the number of clubs in NSW, this wouldn't be achievable in a 12 month period. So incorporation it is (the most logical and acheivable option anyway).

Hopefully it will also extend to controlling and setting standards to which the state events are run and operate.

[dirtdemon]

Seeing NSWMTB will one day be dissolved, I have been trying not to set up rules that will create a problem when we finally get properly back into CA.


On saying that DH has proved to be a problem........

...........On the XC front, Suggestions on how we fix this?

4X or Mountain X, Matt argued everything should be standardized in this new version of BMX for big bikes. Matt said he would be state MTNX person and then?...... .

Excuse my ignorance but why is NSWMTB being dissolved when you just got started and what has it got to do with CA. Why is DH proving to be a problem in regards to this?

What wrong with standardising everything, to me it seems like the best way for every discipline to move forward, stop confusion, and stop the opportunity for riders to go home with the shits because when they turn up to the events the rules have changed again.

The problem to me is lack of standardisation. Run every event with the classifications in the same order, the prises the same (or similar), use standard entry forms and have pre-entry for every event, have pre race riders briefing (similar to Green Grocers) so no one is confused about the rules that apply that day.

One rider at Stromlo this week was looking about to ask "someone" (because no one is really sure who to ask on the day) for a re-run because he crashed, until he was informed that he couldn't get a re-run just because he crashed. But, if he was new to racing, who could blame him because no one has told him any different.

Make the organisers life easy by giving the a standard set of instructions to follow in order to have a "great event".

What has ever happened to the "constitution" that was being written so NSWMTB could become an incorporation, as was originally stated. Will clubs or members be given the opportunity to comment on it?

Want to know how to fix something ask the riders at the event, have a meeting. Not everyone reads farkin, get your message out there, get MTBA involved, asked other state bodies.

This sport is improving and growing at a fast pace, and has potential for a great future, but as highlighted at the MTBA general meeting whilst member registration is on the increase we still are having trouble keeping members, why????

Everyone has an opinion and this is just mine!!!

[thecat]

and have pre-entry for every event,



Bahahaha.

Our record for pre-entrie was 20. 15 of them were locals who parents couldn't make it onthe weekend and needed to get the forms signed beforehand.



have pre race riders briefing (similar to Green Grocers) so no one is confused about the rules that apply that day.


A prerace breifing is a great in theory but hard to do. With people regoing for DH all day Sat, and half Sunday, and everybody either up the track or standign in shuttle line it's hard to get everyone togther.

Also the membership book sent out with your MTBA membership card should explain most things.

[dirtdemon]

Bahahaha.

Our record for pre-entrie was 20. 15 of them were locals who parents couldn't make it onthe weekend and needed to get the forms signed beforehand.



A prerace breifing is a great in theory but hard to do. With people regoing for DH all day Sat, and half Sunday, and everybody either up the track or standign in shuttle line it's hard to get everyone togther.

Also the membership book sent out with your MTBA membership card should explain most things.

There were plenty of people at Coffs complaining that they had pre registered and still had to wait in line, maybe numbers aren't the same at all events, maybe they are! But at least that was 20 people that you had already organised.

In regards to the pre race meeting they held one a Western Australia for the nationals just before racing commenced, so it can be done.

And again, the post asked for comments and that was what I was doing, no need to stress about it. Take it or leave it the choice is yours not mine.

[Dazed&Confuzed]

There is a standard for clubs that want to run mountain bike events.

It is the "MTBA Guide to Event Organisation and Management".
If you go to the MTBA website and look at the bottom of the home page there is a link at the bottom of the page to "policies and documents"

Any club that wants to run an event should download it, read it all and them start filling in annex 9. If you can answer yes to all of the questions you are on your way to running an event.

Pre-entry
If there were enough volunteers that were prepared to help at rego maybe there could be a seperate line for pre-entries.

For riders that send in a pre-entry form, on race day they have to:
1. get on the rego line
2. have their license checked
3. have their name ticked off the start sheet
4. get their race number

Riders that do not fill in a pre-entry form, on race day have to:
1. fill in an entry form
2. get on the rego line
3. have their license checked
4. have their name ticked off the start sheet
5. get their race number

For those that pre-entered at Coffs and were complaining about having to get on the line with riders that did not pre-enter, were you surprised to see that there was only one person doing the regos all day. Maybe you could offer some help instead of complaining.

[sammydog]

were you surprised to see that there was only one person doing the regos all day. Maybe you could offer some help instead of complaining.

Thats a novel idea, but even if all people did was help out at their local round, then there should be more than enough volunteers to help out.

The rego rush normally doesn't last all that long anyway.

[trust in gravity]

this year has by far been the easiest rego of all the seasons that i've been in.(4/5) the pre rego of the state rounds has been great!

log on ,pay , roc up ,get plate and go ride! works for me.