06 State Championships: Ourimbah Details [Archive]

dukemasterpro

26-04-2006, 08:36 PM

A few questions based on the new system this year.

From the CC website
To qualify you will need:
1. A full up to date MTBA license
2. Riders must enter at least one (1) of the 2006 NSW State Series rounds

Not wanting to appear stupid but:

1)Can you enter if you have entered another race, Coffs, Thredbo, Lithgow etc and DO NOT have a license?
2)If you buy a license now, after raced Thredbo on a day license can you still get the series points? eg entering the next round and obtaining the full license.

BrumbyJack

26-04-2006, 08:47 PM

I've got a question too, just out of curiousity as we won't be there :(

Is this a stand alone championships, ala the Nats at Thredbo, or is it a Series Final, ala Mt Buller 05/06 series????

Squidly Didly

26-04-2006, 10:40 PM

Is this a stand alone championships, ala the Nats at Thredbo, or is it a Series Final, ala Mt Buller 05/06 series????
This is a stand alone Championship race. The series final will be the Canberra round at Mt Stromlo

Wayno

14-05-2006, 09:09 PM

Hey everyone when you buy a ticket or tickets to win a Giant frame all the proceeds are going to Ronald McDonald House Charities to help the families of sick kids so when you are at the race be sure to buy ticket/s not only do you have a chance to win a brand new '06 GIANT DH Comp but you have a chance to support a good cause. Check it out first post

Wayno

26-05-2006, 12:23 PM

I don't know if most people know yet. But the one race rule (must have raced one NSW State round) for the champs has been scraped, but the full MTBA licence rule is here to stay.
This is good for injured riders who haven't been able to do any NSW State series rounds, but also good for people who simply could not make it to any of the other rounds. Hope this makes everyone out in the DH world happy.

On a lighter note we will be awarding top 5 every class with cash or prizes plus fastest time of the day for group A (Elite, Expert, and U/19) this can include qualifiying times. And fastest time group B (the Rest). Be sure to check out the notice on the website www.ccomtb.org.au (it hasn't been updated yet) but it will let you know the dates and stuff. While are there check out the links to the Sponsors without them we would have nothing to give you.
Also check out the raffle we will be doing over the weekend with all proceeds going to Ronald McDonald House Charities.

Wayno

26-05-2006, 12:26 PM

G-Man

26-05-2006, 03:21 PM

Squidly Didly

18-07-2006, 10:14 PM

A small taste of things to come. Here's a sample vid from last years Ourimbah State Round curtesy of Blitzkrieg Films.

Download it here (http://www.bikeaddiction.com.au/downloads/vids/blitzkrieg_ourimbah.wmv) (right click > save target as) 33.5mb

scblack

19-07-2006, 09:28 AM

Squidly Didly

19-07-2006, 12:29 PM

What size is the frame?
Tis a medium

scblack

19-07-2006, 01:06 PM

Tis a medium
Schweet - I'd be buying tickets anyway, but right size too.;) One can hope.:)

Squidly Didly

19-07-2006, 02:30 PM

I'm also pleased to announce that Black Phoenix Films, creaters of the Drift (http://www.farkin.net/page.php?zp=fc2e41) series, will be out in force over the weekend capturing all the action from the race.
The video will then be uploaded to Farkin's server for all to enjoy at no charge.

johnny

19-07-2006, 04:23 PM

Depression is a terrible thing..........:(

I hate weddings.

DH_Freak

19-07-2006, 06:25 PM

ill be there with bells on.... not literally but definitely in my flanno, as i did at lithgow.:D im keen for the race!
REece.

pyley

19-07-2006, 07:56 PM

may try and race this one...hope i don't get rangled into shuttle duties...my blazers clean and ready for fun...yyyeeeeooooowwwwww!:cool:

Squidly Didly

19-07-2006, 08:18 PM

may try and race this one...hope i don't get rangled into shuttle duties...my blazers clean and ready for fun...yyyeeeeooooowwwwww!:cool:
With the amount of buses we've got lined up, there shouldn't be any driving duties for you big fella

Cletus

19-07-2006, 08:18 PM

i cant wait! this is going to be one of the best weekends ever.
im excited!!

gilly101

20-07-2006, 11:43 AM

Squidly Didly

20-07-2006, 08:48 PM

So that means sams being sacked? :p
Sam's good, but he aint no Josh Stephenson...

No offence Sam, your vids are a close 2nd. That's a compliment!

gilly101

21-07-2006, 05:26 PM

so wheres the best place to stay for this race?:confused:

Wattsy

22-07-2006, 08:18 PM

Sam's good, but he aint no Josh Stephenson...

No offence Sam, your vids are a close 2nd. That's a compliment!

I can so tell who's not gonna be in sam's rimba vid. Ouch.

Squidly Didly

23-07-2006, 09:03 AM

I can so tell who's not gonna be in sam's rimba vid. Ouch.
Never was anyway so <insert middle finger up smily>

Dazed&Confuzed

24-07-2006, 08:38 AM

so wheres the best place to stay for this race?:confused:
The left column of the state championships page of www.ccomtb.org.au has a list of motels and caravan parks

Cave Dweller

24-07-2006, 11:05 AM

I was going to go, but if there are no D/L then i guess i won't be.

Wayno

24-07-2006, 12:04 PM

Cave Dweller

24-07-2006, 01:28 PM

If you are going to do the five state rounds on a day licence, it works out to be $75. If you also do just one club round at another $15 you have lost. Or even if you do 6 club races.

Buy a licence.

I can't wait until you have to have a licence for State and National races. No other sport at that level will let you do it. Day licence is for club racing only

I don't race that often, i prefer to ride with my mates. The only race i entered this year was coffs.

I only enter every now and then to see how i fair against other riders. It's too bloody expensive to race. The race at coffs was great, mainly as the track was sweet and i got to meet a few people, but $100 for the race, plus transport + accomidation for 5 runs sucked nuts. Now your trying to force me to spend an extra $80 on top of that by not offering a D/L?

I would rather save my money and put it towards a trip to bulla. I can ride ourhimba anytime anyway for alot cheaper.

johnny

24-07-2006, 01:33 PM

scblack

24-07-2006, 01:47 PM

I hope that this rule you wish to see doesn't end up in a decent drop in attendence of state rounds.
State rounds can all ride with a day licence. So attendance won't drop.

I think if you are not serious enough about racing to have a licence, why are you bothering with the State Championships?

johnny

24-07-2006, 02:02 PM

State rounds can all ride with a day license. So attendance won't drop.1.You will need a full MTBA license ( no Day License will be issued, But you can buy a full MTBA license on the day)I can't wait until you have to have a license for State and National races.

I think if you are not serious enough about racing to have a license, why are you bothering with the State Championships?Because some one like me and yourself, for whom it is a strain to make it to a large number of races each year (I've been lucky this year), buying a licence can be expensive/uneconomical, take Cave Dweller's situation for example.

When many club rounds don’t have much shuttling facilities, state rounds are really the best option for the 'once every now and then' racing when you don’t a) have a shuttle vehicle, or b) aren’t with at least three or more people to make shuttling worth while.

scblack

24-07-2006, 02:18 PM

Because some one like me and yourself, for whom it is a strain to make it to a large number of races each year (I've been lucky this year), buying a licence can be expensive/uneconomical, take Cave Dweller's situation for example.

When many club rounds don’t have much shuttling facilities, state rounds are really the best option for the 'once every now and then' racing when you don’t a) have a shuttle vehicle, or b) aren’t with at least three or more people to make shuttling worth while.
I see what you're saying, but it's only the State Championships that have the compulsory licence rule. All state rounds will let you ride with a day licence, so you can ride at least 5 shuttled races per year - WSMTB club DH rounds are also shuttled.

But I guess what I'm sort of getting at, is that the State Championships is the pinnacle for the years racing, which could be seen as contradictory for a "once every now and then" rider to want to compete at.

johnny

24-07-2006, 02:32 PM

But I guess what I'm sort of getting at, is that the State Championships is the pinnacle for the years racing, which could be seen as contradictory for a "once every now and then" rider to want to compete at.Oh, yeah, I completely agree with that. I was more refering to Wayno's statement that he'd like to see all state rounds MTBA license only.

Anyway, I signed up to CCMTBC/MTBA a week ago. First off, I had been meaning to for ages anyway, secondly, for the State Champs. Only to realise that I have a wedding on the 13th. I think I aged about 12 months the day that dawned on me, I'm still going to therapy trying to deal with the issue.

scblack

24-07-2006, 02:42 PM

Oh, yeah, I completely agree with that. I was more refering to Wayno's statement that he'd like to see all state rounds MTBA license only.

Anyway, I signed up to CCMTBC/MTBA a week ago. First off, I had been meaning to for ages anyway, secondly, for the State Champs. Only to realise that I have a wedding on the 13th. I think I aged about 12 months the day that dawned on me, I'm still going to therapy trying to deal with the issue.
So how are you telling them you're not coming to the wedding? Why are you needing therapy to tell them that? I don't understand, surely your regret at missing their wedding will be offset by the great day you'll have at racing? You know, send them a gift and they'll forgive you. Don't forget, DH clears the mind, that'll be the therapy - soon you'll think "What wedding?";) :p

drewandmel

24-07-2006, 06:42 PM

maybe there should be a maximum on day licences, you can only have say, 2 per season?(at state rounds, club rounds should be able to have as many as you like). maybe an increase in price? (moto day licences are $35-40 and you can only race with them on club days)
Have to agree with Wayno on full licences for champ meets and national rounds.
It's a tough area to impose rules, as whatever you do someones not going to be happy.

mtbmamma

25-07-2006, 02:34 PM

Depression is a terrible thing..........:(

I hate weddings.

Hey Johnny,

Can the wedding, they won't mind, one less to feed and you will be happy. Being amongst friends and riding, what wedding????

Cave Dweller

25-07-2006, 08:44 PM

I don't think the state champs should make any differance at all. To me its just another race, just like every other state round.

Just by glancing over the results of some state races i would guess that at least 1/3rd of people are on a D/L. And not everyone who has a full license will race the state champs round.

So your going to get less people turning up, less prize money, less shuttle vehicles and most importantly for the "state champs" a pitifull crowd attendance. Seems like a good way to improve the race scene in oz.

Meh, i don't care, it just reminds me why i don't usually bother with the racing.

Demo Dave

26-07-2006, 09:14 AM

Have to agree with Wayno on full licences for champ meets and national rounds.
It's a tough area to impose rules, as whatever you do someones not going to be happy.

Totally agree with this & the rule of having to have done at least one state round to compete. It would just suck to have some dude who never races to win the state champs beating people who have been committed and raced the whole state series (although I have only raced one round due to injury..).

Wayno

26-07-2006, 10:48 AM

You are right to say it is like any other round but it is also put on by CCOMTB and we believe that this race is for the best of the best in the state of NSW for comitted riders to the sport

To improve the sport rules need to be laid down. So lets start by taking a leaf out of another successful sport ie. MX. They don't issue day licence at State and or National level They have to go through training to even be able to race (somthing we don't have to do). So this is the first rule that I think needs to be changed.

I don't think this will dwindle numbers, and if it does lesson learned. But going on club attendance we think we are pretty safe.

With prizes up for grabs awarding top 5 of every class including HT. You would be silly to let your pride get in the way I can't spend $80 on a licence but I don't mind spending $6000 on a bike. Or even $80 on a part to make it lighter by 10grams. Cause what it comes down to is your saying "I don't mind throwing away $15 every time I enter a race". With your full Licence you can go into as many races as you like for a full year be it Club, State or National. This include all MTB events be it XC, DH or 4X. I don't get where it is a problem even if you entered all of those events only once for a year that is $45 more than half of a full licence. All food for thought?

Cave Dweller

26-07-2006, 11:58 AM

You keep assuming that everyone who enters a race will automatically want to race every single state round, a national round or two or several club races. Its not so.

You are also assuming that just because people ride an expensive bike that they have money burning holes in the pocket and would be willing to spend extra $$ to buy a year long license if its not required. This is also not so. I would prefer $50 in my pocket to yours thanks.

No offence but the prize thing is BS, no point dangling a carrot in front of me, i have no realistic chance on coming top 5 in anything, unless by some miracle everyone in expert comes down with bird flu.

The point is you need people like me, the come along every know and then punter, attending races to get the money to supply prizes and give a crowd attendance to people that are a chance of coming first.

And MX racing is a bit different, 30 guys on powerful 250cc bikes racing around a track with large jumps is different to an individual timed DH run, you would want to make sure the guy next to you knows how to control his MX bike and is not going to kill you.

Good luck on the race, but i can confirm you will have 4 people less attending

thecat

26-07-2006, 01:18 PM

The problem is that as organisers we get nothing but a headache from day licences. They are a pain to issue and they are a pain to process and we get 5 fifts of fark all out of them.

While I don't nesseccarely agree with it at this point in time the whole idea is that if you are a causual rider who may only do one, two or three races a year than you are more suited to club races. A state race should be for those people who are dedicated to the sport.

Up until now we have not had the issue of state races selling out. With the numbers we saw at state DHs this year that may soon change. If a race is likely to sell out than Full members should have priorty over blow ins.

But besides all that, MTBA membership is more than just a races licence. MTBA has used those moenys in various project like working with local groups on a larger scale to help secure trail access, sponsoring the IMBA trail rep to come out and meet with clubs, councils, NPWS and other land managers, to name just a two.

It's not as though it's racing and racing only. If you are committed to your sport and wish to see greater co operation with land managers leading to more legalised trails you should support MTBA with your dollars.

Right now day licence riders are not counted as members when we negociate with various land mangers, or even sponsors for the matter.

If you choose not to race at Ouribah because of the day licence ruling so be it but if we want to move the sport forward we have to look at new angle and try new things.

Wayno

26-07-2006, 01:48 PM

I NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING. I was simply saying THAT IF. And the money never ends up in my pocket, Thanks.

What The Cat has said is everything I was thinking, I just wasn't sure how to word it but he has done a good job.

Cave Dweller

26-07-2006, 02:03 PM

Cave Dweller

26-07-2006, 02:14 PM

I NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING. I was simply saying THAT IF. And the money never ends up in my pocket, Thanks.

I was refering to MTBA not you, sorry.

You did assume, you are assuming that everyone wants to race all the time and has the money to do so and so should buy a full license, and im telling you im not rich and i only race everynow and then so a D/L is fine for me, and if you don't want to cater for me then fine, its not the end of the world. Re-read your posts mate.

If you are going to do the five state rounds on a day licence, it works out to be $75. If you also do just one club round at another $15 you have lost. Or even if you do 6 club races.

can't spend $80 on a licence but I don't mind spending $6000 on a bike

Cause what it comes down to is your saying "I don't mind throwing away $15 every time I enter a race". With your full Licence you can go into as many races as you like for a full year be it Club, State or National. This include all MTB events be it XC, DH or 4X. I don't get where it is a problem even if you entered all of those events only once for a year that is $45 more than half of a full licence

thecat

26-07-2006, 02:14 PM

If you won't cater to people like me you don't deserve my money, simple as that. Sorry for putting you out by coming out to have a race on a D/L every now and then. Didn't realise that i needed to be a full racer boy to have a punt.

You don't have to be a "full racer boy to have a punt" that's what Wayne and Al are saying club races are for.

What other sport allows people just wanting to "have a punt" compete in their state champs? Jelly Wrestling?

Puts our sport in context doesn't it.

At the end of the day if you don't go to the champs then thats fine. If the majority of riders agree with you and don't go we know we made a mistake. If numbers go up we know we made the right decision but sooner or later we need to try to make the sport better. Having any Joe blow rock up to you state champs for a race has some advantages but it also brings disadvantages.

Whatever decision is made won't please everyone, but then nothing will.

sammydog

26-07-2006, 03:22 PM

I’m with Wayno on this, full MTBA licence for the champs, personally I can’t see any reason why it shouldn’t extend to the full state series either. Day licences should be for club events.

Day licences as mentioned can be an absolute pain in the arse for clubs and really add a lot of time to the registration process, with out bringing in much in the way of financial gain.

It seems to me the only people who lose out by removing the day licence scenario are riders who will only race their local state/national round and no others, also bypassing any local club rounds along the way. Yet the clubs are expected to process the day licence’s in these rounds

While I don’t like seeing people turned away from Mtb events, I think people should actually plan to attend a few club rounds before hitting up the state rounds, rather than only attending the bigger races such as the State Champs and odd national Round.

The clubs put a lot of time and effort into putting these things on and turning up to the state champs as the only race in a series doesn’t do a lot to support the clubs and people who make the series happen in the first place.

Its interesting to hear you say you won't pay to race at ourimbah as you can ride there anytime for free. If you want a cheaper race, try the club events. Its a shame that you have this attitude though, because by not attending even their clubraces, which are more suited for punters giving it a go, you are not supporting the very club who puts time, effort and $$$$ into maintaining that very track you ride for free.

johnny

26-07-2006, 03:29 PM

Just thinking, we should probably separate this discussion on DLs/MTBA membership from the race promo thread. I'm not too sure how to do it, Squid?

Wayno

26-07-2006, 03:52 PM

Have re read them and i still don't think that I was assuming, but take it as you will. The way I was trying to say it is I don't understand why you wouldn't buy a licence considering you then have the ability to enter as many races as you wish in any discipline of MTB at either Club, State or National, and was pointing out the facts but as I already have said take it as you will. Simple don't buy a licence and don't enter the champs.

But in the end what you are saying to the clubs and MTBA is you want the sport to support you but you don't want to support the sport and its changing rules to hopefully make it better and then in that sucess offer more support to its members. Or another way to say it is "you want us to suport the minority and not the majority".

Another thing is I am also not a rich man either I don't have money to throw around I have young child I work 2 jobs to make ends meet my wife also works 3 days a week. But I do what I do because I have a passion for the sport I will support it no matter what happens and basically what it comes down is I believe the main focus is to support those who want the sport to grow not somebody who will turn up to one race a year and want everything given to him or her

I was refering to MTBA not you, sorry.

You did assume, you are assuming that everyone wants to race all the time and has the money to do so and so should buy a full license, and im telling you im not rich and i only race everynow and then so a D/L is fine for me, and if you don't want to cater for me then fine, its not the end of the world. Re-read your posts mate.

Cave Dweller

26-07-2006, 03:59 PM

Its interesting to hear you say you won't pay to race at ourimbah as you can ride there anytime for free. If you want a cheaper race, try the club events. Its a shame that you have this attitude though, because by not attending even their clubraces, which are more suited for punters giving it a go, you are not supporting the very club who puts time, effort and $$$$ into maintaining that very track you ride for free.

Because, no offence to the club that puts it on and people who put in the effort to try an maintain that track, the club races are no where near as good as the state rounds.

The club one i went to at Ourimbah was bring your own shuttles and there was not that many people there, no bbq, no people on the side of the track yahooing with cow bells etc etc. I go for the atmosphere and the no problem shuttle service the state races bring, and to also see how i fair against others in the state.

I think you guys are taking this state thing way too seriously. Whats next, only elite riders allowed to race at national rounds?? I mean, it is a national event, only the real serious national level pro-riders should attend, no need for the b-class riders to bother turning up right? :rolleyes:

Johnny, i don't think you should split this, if i didn't read this thread i would have had no idea it was a no D/L deal.

johnny

26-07-2006, 04:11 PM

It's just the discussion of the issue I think should be split, because it's an issue all of it's own. There will still be the notification of the new guidelines in the old thread. Anyway, Squid is the dude who will make that decision and I'll leave that to him.......in other words, I don't know how to do it :o

I agree with CD's assetion of the fact that state rounds are a much greater atmosphere than clubbies, although I take part in and enjoy both. Also, the next club round at Ourimbah will have shuttles provided, so that line of argument is actually diminishing. I can see fors and againsts for this subject. State Championships MTBA licensed; no problem. All state rounds to be MTBA licensed; I think that would be a loss to the sport at this stage of MTB's progression as an inclusive sport.

Cave Dweller

26-07-2006, 04:16 PM

Simple don't buy a licence and don't enter the champs. Thats what im doing.

But in the end what you are saying to the clubs and MTBA is you want the sport to support you but you don't want to support the sport and its changing rules to hopefully make it better and then in that sucess offer more support to its members. Or another way to say it is "you want us to suport the minority and not the majority".

No, im saying that im not going to pay more for something i won't use.

If your travelling from Sydney to Hornsby on Monday and Teusday, would you buy a weekly ticket or two singles??? Your saying i should buy the weekly as city rail provides the infrastructure for me to travel on so i should pay more to help maintain the tracks and services. Can you imagine the uproar if cityrail only sold weekly tickets!

One more thing, how is it any more complicated to process a D/L at a club event vs a state round?????

scblack

26-07-2006, 04:19 PM

State Championships MTBA licensed; no problem. All state rounds to be MTBA licensed; I think that would be a loss to the sport at this stage of MTB's progression as an inclusive sport.
That I agree with, for sure.:)

sammydog

26-07-2006, 04:36 PM

One more thing, how is it any more complicated to process a D/L at a club event vs a state round?????

No more complicated to process, its just the shear volume you get in one quick hit.

thecat

26-07-2006, 05:06 PM

One more thing, how is it any more complicated to process a D/L at a club event vs a state round?????

Since you're not racing, volunteer for rego duty and find out :D

sammydog

26-07-2006, 08:32 PM

No, im saying that im not going to pay more for something i won't use.

The thing is, you are approaching the full licence as something that only gives you the ability to race.

Read what thecat said.

But besides all that, MTBA membership is more than just a races licence. MTBA has used those moenys in various project like working with local groups on a larger scale to help secure trail access, sponsoring the IMBA trail rep to come out and meet with clubs, councils, NPWS and other land managers, to name just a two.

It's not as though it's racing and racing only. If you are committed to your sport and wish to see greater co operation with land managers leading to more legalised trails you should support MTBA with your dollars.

Right now day licence riders are not counted as members when we negociate with various land mangers, or even sponsors for the matter.

As someone who talks to Councils, NPWS and other land managers in trying to open up or keep open trails, cold hard figures of things like MTBA members in the area do count. The MTBA licnce means so much more than the ability to race, even if at first glance it doesn't.

As wayno said, if you want the sport to support you, support the sport. (say that 10 times quick after a few beers)

Gravjunkie

26-07-2006, 09:02 PM

Ha Ha Ha, It's encouraging to read the thoughts and the general hate of processing day licences, from other club officials.
After reading Cave Dweller's post last night, I was going to reply, so I could mention about the pain in the arse I find day licences, holding up rego, ripping all those fukn blue copies out of the book and sending them off with huge wads of cash, as well as worrying if you got enough books from MTBA to cover your next race, then I thought, what's the use? People who lob up every now and then for a state round, will never appreciate the effort, volunteers put in to running even a club race, let alone something as complex as a state or national round.
But after reading Sammydog, The Cat and Waynos posts tonight, I wanted to add my name to the list of day licence haters.

It's also interesting listening to people talk about the good of... THE SPORT.
Without MTBA and MTBA affiliated clubs, that can only exist because of "members", THE SPORT, would become an ACTIVITY, enjoyed by riders around the country, wondering what it would be like if they actually had the opportunity to officially race each other.

Lets not forget, without the $20million public liability insurance clubs possess as a result of being affiliated with MTBA, land owners, and in particular, state forests, would not allow us to legally build and maintain tracks on their land, let alone hold events on them.

So next time you're riding Ourimbah, just for shit and giggles, remember, it wouldn't be there without CCOMTB and CCOMTB wouldn't exist, if a whole bunch of riders didn't think it was important enough to pay a membership fee every year.

I know I'll probably get slammed for this post, so for those who do, "chew me". I'm happy with the fact I'm a member of MTBA and put in plenty of my time and effort for the good of THE SPORT!

Squidly Didly

26-07-2006, 09:14 PM

I think you guys are taking this state thing way too seriously. Whats next, only elite riders allowed to race at national rounds??
Sorry Cave Dweller, but the only State round you attended this year happened to be the smallest. The State Series has really taken off this season with an increase of 70 riders average per race. That's pretty darn big and we are hitting a limit on what a State level race can handle. There's not many venues left that can handle 231 riders which is what this years State Series has averaged per race.

Basically it's coming down to the fact that we may have to start capping rider entrants in the near future. This means more people will be forced to pre-enter in order to secure their spot. The other option is to simply encounge "fun" riders to stick to Club or the new Regional Series of races that are soon to be introduced. Take the shuttle turnaround time at Lithgow's round this year as an example. We had every bus and truck we could find, but 250 riders is quite a feat to shuttle up and down.

As for the State Championships, we will not be lifting the rule of the full MTBA licence in the forseable future. An MTBA licence gives you more insurance cover over a day licence so it has more benefits than just allowing you to race at certain events.

I understand this will decrease the rider turnout for the Championships as does everyone else in the NSWMTB committee and the hosting Club CCOMTB. The plus side there is a faster and more organised administration for the general race.

Another benefit (besides keeping our sport looking professional to the non-converted) is that EVERY rider who will be racing the Championships shall enjoy the considerably faster shuttle turnaround time ... The sport is growing, and we need to evolve with it.

johnny

26-07-2006, 09:50 PM

Sorry Cave Dweller, but the only State round you attended this year happened to be the smallest....... ... The sport is growing, and we need to evolve with it.I think Squid has raised some good points here. Once again, I'll re-iterate that I agree with the state champs license deal but maybe not for all state rounds too. I'll also re-iterate that I have paid for a membership.

I'd like to know some of the stats out of this years state rounds.
- How many DL's to m'ships this year?
- What were the ages of the DL's?
- How many of those DL's went to more than two of the races?
- How many people that bought a DL earlier in the year signed up for a m'ship later in the year?

I think a clear picture of what we're working with will give us a good idea on what might be expected if all state rounds are m'ship only; how many people might purchase a m'ship and how many might stay away. This in turn will also tell you if now is a good time to make the change or wait another season.

Squidly Didly

26-07-2006, 11:14 PM

I think Squid has raised some good points here. Once again, I'll re-iterate that I agree with the state champs license deal but maybe not for all state rounds too. I'll also re-iterate that I have paid for a membership.
No need to fear about that Johnny. You can still race next years State Series on a day licence, and still walk away with the glory and the prize if you make a podium position. You will however NOT recieve series points if you're racing on a day licence. The Championship race is the only event that will be open to full MTBA members only.

thecat

27-07-2006, 08:41 AM

II'd like to know some of the stats out of this years state rounds.
- How many DL's to m'ships this year?
- What were the ages of the DL's?
- How many of those DL's went to more than two of the races?
- How many people that bought a DL earlier in the year signed up for a m'ship later in the year?

You'd be surprised at how many elite riders compete on day licences.

scblack

27-07-2006, 09:14 AM

Just because someone doesn't race and hold a full license doesn't mean they are not dedicated to the sport. Its a fairly arrogant attitude to take really.

If you won't cater to people like me you don't deserve my money, simple as that. Sorry for putting you out by coming out to have a race on a D/L every now and then. Didn't realise that i needed to be a full racer boy to have a punt.

And im not racing Ourimbah as i can ride it anytime, its going to cost me about $170 for the mtba license and race fees + petrol etc to get maybe 5 runs in and come mid pack in expert. If it was awaba or coffs i would think about it, but to be honest the track at Ourimbah is not that great to warrant the expense, infact its way at the bottom of my favorite tracks to ride, the shuttle up is the only great thing about it.

Anyway, im pissing into the wind here so i'll leave it at that.
I think that is the most childish post I have ever seen on Farkin.:rolleyes:

Its like a five year old child not getting their way, and saying "If I don't get my way, I'm taking my ball and going home, so no one can play, waa waa waa."

Or, as it is here: "They won't let me race Ourimbah with D/L, but actually, I never REALLY wanted to race, cause I hate the track anyhow, waa waa waa."

Pissing in the wind is about right......

Cave Dweller

27-07-2006, 09:24 AM

I think that is the most childish post I have ever seen on Farkin.:rolleyes:

Its like a five year old child not getting their way, and saying "If I don't get my way, I'm taking my ball and going home, so no one can play, waa waa waa."

Or, as it is here: "They won't let me race Ourimbah with D/L, but actually, I never REALLY wanted to race, cause I hate the track anyhow, waa waa waa."

Pissing in the wind is about right......

Go stick your nose in someone else's business thanks.

Cave Dweller

27-07-2006, 09:26 AM

No need to fear about that Johnny. You can still race next years State Series on a day licence, and still walk away with the glory and the prize if you make a podium position. You will however NOT recieve series points if you're racing on a day licence. The Championship race is the only event that will be open to full MTBA members only.

Thanks for clearing that up squid, the no D/L at future state rounds is the thing i had a major bone with.

alchemist

27-07-2006, 09:42 AM

I think that is the most childish post I have ever seen on Farkin.:rolleyes:

What!!? You haven't read this thread (http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=59661)? (and probably countless others) ;)

Back onto the Ourimbah race... Hopefully I'll be there - I've got my licence (but dont take things to seriously :D)

fleshbone

27-07-2006, 07:36 PM

im so keen for the race on the 6th, if i do end up showing up,and i actually have a solid race run for once,i'll look at going to the champs,because it sounds like it will be killa.:D

skinny666

01-08-2006, 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=thecat]

What other sport allows people just wanting to "have a punt" compete in their state champs? Jelly Wrestling?

Puts our sport in context doesn't it.
QUOTE]

Cave Dweller, your a F'en Tool.! How old are you.? When was the last time you help build a track.? Organize a race or even help on race day.?
Silly silly boy

Wayno

03-08-2006, 09:45 AM

Those of you are staying in the area over the race weekend, I was looking through the local rag last night and found that Local punk band Something with Numbers is playing on the Saturday night (12th) at the Beachcomber Hotel (don't know who the supports are, cost I think was $14). So if you were looking for somthing to do Saturday night and you like your music loud, fast and a little bit emo check them out or don't. The Beachie is one of the nicer pubs on the coast and a really good feed mmmm steak.
http://www.beachcomber-toukley.com.au/entertainment.html

pyley

03-08-2006, 09:31 PM

GREAT I LOVE STEAK..and im an emo...not! but hey after a few redbulls, a few beeries and a massive rare steak...ill listen to anything...beach comber it is...

Squidly Didly

03-08-2006, 09:40 PM

Blah blah blah
To those of you who'd prefer to head back to the big smoke, we're having a meet up at the Bavarian Bier Cafe (http://www.bavarianbiercafe.com.au/manly.cfm?objID=15) in Manly on Saturday night for some pork, veal or giant chicken schnitzel, pork belly, sausages, etc. Oh did I mention good beer by the litre? :)

pyley

03-08-2006, 09:57 PM

rubber arms a twisting.......hard choice...

Wayno

04-08-2006, 10:54 AM

The Beachie is closer to the race track, and Squid wants to get every one drunk so he can win. I also hear what you are saying and it also sounds like Blah, Blah, Blah

Cave Dweller

04-08-2006, 12:02 PM

Cave Dweller, your a F'en Tool.! How old are you.? When was the last time you help build a track.? Organize a race or even help on race day.?
Silly silly boy

I have actually built a few trails, and i help maintain a few as well (you have maybe even ridden them).

Whats is it with you racer guys? Do you think just because i don't hold an mtba license or help organise races that somehow your all more committed to the sport? Whats your justification for that? Can i say im more committed then the 80% of mtba members who have never built or maintained a trail?? Seriously, off the high horse thanks.

I voiced an objection to the no D/L policy at all future races that was eluded too, big bloody deal, the reasons given seemed pitifull to me (D/L take too long to process) until squid explained that its actually due to the large numbers attending and a cap might be needed, hence mtba members only. I can understand that and said as much if you bothered to read all the posts, and have gotten over it, please do the same.

Adrian

04-08-2006, 05:32 PM

rubber arms a twisting.......hard choice...
Something with numbers is sweet... Sweet like tads' dear mother... I'm staying in gosford (helps that I got rels there). No racing for me... The decision stands. You gots to go hard.

And Skinny.....

Nothing.

thecat

04-08-2006, 05:49 PM

IWhats is it with you racer guys? Do you think just because i don't hold an mtba license or help organise races that somehow your all more committed to the sport? Whats your justification for that? Can i say im more committed then the 80% of mtba members who have never built or maintained a trail?? Seriously, off the high horse thanks.

If you won't cater to people like me you don't deserve my money, simple as that....
And im not racing Ourimbah as i can ride it anytime... but to be honest the track at Ourimbah is not that great to warrant the expense,

Who is on the tall equine?

IWhats is it with you racer guys? Do you think just because i don't hold an mtba license or help organise races that somehow your all more committed to the sport?

As we were talking about racing, by committed to the sport we meant people who go to the effort to turn up to every race. At no time was it meant to imply peopel who don't race aren't committed to the sport.

Now I realise more than most that it's imposible for some to do that but some peopel go to a lot of trouble to find the time to go to all the races.

Mind you without racing it is a recreation.

.

I voiced an objection to the no D/L policy at all future races that was eluded too,

At no time was that eluded to. It was a ruling set out for the State Championships only. So in effect you had a hissy fit over nothing.

Just so it's clear I offered the most objection to that ruling but as others pointed out we are fast reaching a point where people will be turned away from races because venues are reaching capasity.

It was decided the State Champs need to be made soemthing special. Up until now we've had people rock up for their first race at the state champs.

In a way I believe that is a good thing. In another it's not. Having people at the state champs who are not aware of the rules and have no idea of the format can be problematic.

Cave Dweller

04-08-2006, 06:25 PM

Argg.... FFS, can you guys just let this die, im so over it!! :D

Who is on the tall equine?

????

I said if your not selling a D/L i can't go (or should i say im not invited) as it would cost me a fortune and i haven't got the spare $160+ it would cost to get in a handfull of runs at ourhimba.

I don't see anything wrong with that statement, you don't cater to people who want a D/L at ths champs, they don't turn up, you have you mtba members only race. Fairly simple really. Its not like im crying myself to sleep every night over this :cool:

At no time was that eluded to. It was a ruling set out for the State Championships only. So in effect you had a hissy fit over nothing.

Serioulsy, do i need to go to all the bother of re-quoting what what was said. Geesssusss......

I can't wait until you have to have a licence for State and National races. No other sport at that level will let you do it. Day licence is for club racing only

I’m with Wayno on this, full MTBA licence for the champs, personally I can’t see any reason why it shouldn’t extend to the full state series either. Day licences should be for club events.

To improve the sport rules need to be laid down. So lets start by taking a leaf out of another successful sport ie. MX. They don't issue day licence at State and or National level They have to go through training to even be able to race (somthing we don't have to do). So this is the first rule that I think needs to be changed.

I was more refering to Wayno's statement that he'd like to see all state rounds MTBA license only

All state rounds to be MTBA licensed; I think that would be a loss to the sport at this stage of MTB's progression as an inclusive sport.

I think you missed a "few" very important posts there Mr Cat ;)

thecat

04-08-2006, 06:30 PM

Wayne and Sammydog saying they'd like it to go that way does not mean it is going to go that way. they area just 2 people.

sammydog

04-08-2006, 07:39 PM

Wayne and Sammydog saying they'd like it to go that way does not mean it is going to go that way. they area just 2 people.

I think NSWMTB has made it quiet clear that they are not moving toward abolishing D/L's in the series. Cave Dweller, my comments were my opinions only, not an insight into the strategic policies being constgructed by the minds shaping NSWMTB.

Personally, with the amount of pain they cause, not to mention the havoc and time they add to the rego process at larger events, if they were removed from state rounds completely, I wouldn't loose any sleep.

It may actually encourage people to support and attend their local club races instead of bypassing the club scene completely on the way to state/national events.

Squidly Didly

04-08-2006, 08:26 PM

It may actually encourage people to support and attend their local club races instead of bypassing the club scene completely on the way to state/national events.
Very true. While Club races may not always have shuttles like we would in the larger races, i've always found Clubby's to be the most fun. Sure you don't get the big pissup the night before, but there's usually a bbq fired up on race day and the riders are a lot more laid back.

Back to the D/L thingo ... I've already posted my answer along with my reasons in posts 56 & 58 of this thread so I won't bore you with it again. Cave Dweller and I see both sides of this discussion so there's no need to bring us back into argument.

CD: it's a shame you won't be joining us at Ourimbah but I hope you can make it out for some schnitzel and beer on Sat night in Manly. http://forums.farkin.net/images/icons/icon14.gif

sammydog

04-08-2006, 09:49 PM

Back to the State Champs, anyone with any idea of what impact this rain is having on the track?? Are we looking forward to a non dusty, super tacky race??

Renegade

04-08-2006, 10:03 PM

What about puddles?. I am unsure as I have only raced ourimbah the times that it hasn't seen rain in days. But it looks like they'll get a heavy poor down. Will there be puddles around on the track?

Registered Nutcase

04-08-2006, 10:42 PM

Back to the State Champs, anyone with any idea of what impact this rain is having on the track?? Are we looking forward to a non dusty, super tacky race??

if it is anything like it was last club round there will be HUGE RUTS. all that lovely dust will have been washed away leaving it more rocky and heaps more sketchy.

Cave Dweller

05-08-2006, 09:25 AM

Wayne and Sammydog saying they'd like it to go that way does not mean it is going to go that way. they area just 2 people.

Yep, but they help run the clubs so would have a voice in how things pan out. They mentioned it, i objected. Squid has already cleared it up already so no need to rehatch

CD: it's a shame you won't be joining us at Ourimbah but I hope you can make it out for some schnitzel and beer on Sat night in Manly.

Going on a double date with the girly tonight, should be fu, not..... :(

if it is anything like it was last club round there will be HUGE RUTS. all that lovely dust will have been washed away leaving it more rocky and heaps more sketchy.

I would say it will be in a fairly bad shape by sunday afternoon if it keeps on raining like this.

Squidly Didly

05-08-2006, 05:42 PM

Going on a double date with the girly tonight, should be fu, not..... :(
Oh no, I mean the Sat night before the Champs. That's the 12th ... there's still hope :)

Dazed&Confuzed

08-08-2006, 09:01 AM

There are 80 riders that have sent in a pre-entry form and 20 of those have paid as well. The pre-entry system will close on Wednesday night.

tinkerbell

08-08-2006, 10:11 PM

⁭
hope to be a great weekend cait wait.

PyletSnviper

09-08-2006, 05:06 PM

no tinkas it WILL be a AWESOME weekend :) lol

Plow King

12-08-2006, 02:30 PM

Good luck to all, but most importantly have fun.;)

Dim

13-08-2006, 06:47 PM

Great Day, Thanks to everyone involved

tinkerbell

13-08-2006, 07:02 PM

sweet sweet day thanks all for a great day it rocked , congrats brad on the 3.20 nuts buddy good weather all worked out nice. p.s give it up for little man who did his race run with a broken foot crazy .

flat tires suck.

intense jonoooo

13-08-2006, 07:08 PM

results anyone?

samh

13-08-2006, 07:28 PM

results anyone?
Elite men:
1st - Brad Kelly
2nd - Brock Newling
3rd - Jon Odams

Expert Men:
1st - Daniel Chermiac
2nd - David Wade
3rd - Ted Gambrill

U19:
1st - Tom Patton
2nd - James Brodie
3rd - Drew Ivison

U17:
1st - Sean O'Conner
2nd - Dylan Prohm
3rd - Sam Ward

U15:
1st - Jesse Went
2nd - Chris Leaper
3rd - Jake Gee

Thats all i know.

Was a good day.