Post your NOTshore Pics (dodgy Northshore) [Archive]

scratchy

06-08-2006, 10:18 PM

OK,
It seems every kid who's ridden a bike for 5 minutes want to build Northshore, In Australia we've had an explosion of NOTshore, the Dodgy Australian equivalant. It's generally got some of the following qualities:

-Cutting into/down Australian native trees
-Putting rusty nails into living trees.
-Unstable constructions
-Punji Spikes in the landing zone.

So I thought we should share some of our favourite (3xtr33m3) NOTshore. Feel free to ad.

emcgough

06-08-2006, 10:25 PM

hahaha oh my... I can't believe those "Master Trail Builders" are still at it. Last time I rode through there (about 10 months ago I think), we knocked a whole lot of them down. I think I made a post on InsideLine about it at the time. You could name a million things they have done wrong, but you know.. I think it's beyond that stage with this particular case...

Renegade

06-08-2006, 10:31 PM

Jeesh talk about quality degrading. I wouldn't wanna be any more than 55kg's rolling off that northshore. Never the less still better than my nothing. Good work

thecat

07-08-2006, 12:21 PM

Found a (insert seppo accent) teeter totter, yesterday. The main pivot was a 9" nail each side. At least I hope it was a 9" nail.

smokingmouse

07-08-2006, 08:23 PM

Nominees for Australian Master Builders Association workamnship of the year award. They look more like Viet Cong booby traps!!!

Dozer

08-08-2006, 02:56 PM

That third pic is a classic! What the hell is it supposed to be? I hope everyone who knows of some dodgey NS will take a photo and post it here because it is hilarious!

binner

08-08-2006, 03:01 PM

wow ....no really WOW.....

I'm lost for words.....

Air time erik

08-08-2006, 07:59 PM

Lol looks sweet i would hit that now these are some of the drops My friends built!!1 lol

Got destroyed tho by some stooges

:mad: :mad: :( http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/Erik_Fassbind/MTBphotosNSatstaffordjump009.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/Erik_Fassbind/MTBphotosNSatstaffordjump004.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/Erik_Fassbind/MTBphotosNSatstaffordjump002.jpg

Yesz they are tree stumps:D

juzzo

08-08-2006, 08:20 PM

some quality building going on there:p

fattyandthepiemakers

08-08-2006, 08:20 PM

Huck to flat. :p

bolzy

08-08-2006, 08:34 PM

oh my...is there a weight limit on those things?

Renegade

08-08-2006, 09:22 PM

You'd sure hope so. I wouldnt wanna weigh 100 kg's and roll over one of those puppys with a banshee built with mag 30's and super monsters. Ahh ssssssnaapp

tu plang

08-08-2006, 09:28 PM

Lol looks sweet i would hit that now these are some of the drops My friends built!!1 lol

Got destroyed tho by some stooges

by stooges you mean the wind, right?

fleshbone

09-08-2006, 10:46 PM

definitely what i'm calling it from now on,i have seen so much dodge not shore stuff,but then i have seen some good builds,vary rare though.dont mean i aint going to ride it though.

sammydog

09-08-2006, 11:35 PM

Look at the carnage caused in those last two pics, whoever built those should be tied to the Not Shore and left there for eternity.

That is Not Cool Not Shore.

chris_mtb

10-08-2006, 07:49 AM

man those last 2 were shocking tje sticks on the first photo looked like they were pick up from the ground and they dont look too stable:eek:

-Jordan-

10-08-2006, 09:16 AM

(referring to 'air time eriks' drops).

Ok - to start with - I'm in no way saying that these were good quality - they were quite bad, just not as bad as everyone was saying. Despite how they look in the pics, the supports were actually dug a fair way into the ground, and they were connected properly. So no, the supports and not just sitting on the ground.

Huck to flat. :p

I know it looks like it in the pic, but it's not. One of them was using the landing for a step down jump and the other one had a downhill part after it (see pics).

You'd sure hope so. I wouldnt wanna weigh 100 kg's and roll over one of those puppys with a banshee built with mag 30's and super monsters. Ahh ssssssnaapp

There was about 3 guys jumping up and down on them - nothing happened.

by stooges you mean the wind, right?

They would have lasted alot longer, but some guys who had 'issues' with the local riders decided to come and destroy everything around there.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/-Jordan-/Drop1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/-Jordan-/Drop2.jpg

scratchy

10-08-2006, 09:33 AM

They would have lasted alot longer, but some guys who had 'issues' with the local riders decided to come and destroy everything around there.

Gesh! That's hard to believe, I mean they are so well hidden it's hard to believe that anyone would have discovered them? ;) Did you think about painting them green to match the lawn?

alpinestar12

10-08-2006, 03:23 PM

also good on you for putting obstacles (tools) in the landing/fall zones. Gosh!

-Jordan-

10-08-2006, 03:55 PM

Gesh! That's hard to believe, I mean they are so well hidden it's hard to believe that anyone would have discovered them? ;) Did you think about painting them green to match the lawn?

Before you start to be a smartass, they knew about the place long before that, and they had no issues with people riding / building there, so it had nothing to do with them being noticeable. They had a problem with the actual guys, and being the dickheads they are they decided to destory everything there, probably before they even knew of the drops.

also good on you for putting obstacles (tools) in the landing/fall zones. Gosh!

They are no where near where the landing is..

Plow King

10-08-2006, 04:01 PM

Jordan:

1/ That notshore is sketchy as hell.

2/ Scratchy has done more for mtn biking that you ever will.

-Jordan-

10-08-2006, 04:16 PM

Jordan:

1/ That notshore is sketchy as hell.

2/ Scratchy has done more for mtn biking that you ever will.

1 - Yeah, I know, I said it was.

I'm in no way saying that these were good quality - they were quite bad, just not as bad as everyone was saying.

2 - And...? :confused:

scratchy

10-08-2006, 06:05 PM

Sorry Jordon, I guess you have a point, Sarcasim is the lowest form of humour and it was posted in Notshore, so It's definately in the appropriate place. I guess what I was saying was it is no surprise it got pulled down considering how exposed it was.

Please everyone else share their Notshore, I promise to put the sarcasm monster away.:) (Well I'll try my hardest anyway!)

alpinestar12

10-08-2006, 07:29 PM

They are no where near where the landing is..

Yes they are. If you can't build something decent don't bother.

-Jordan-

10-08-2006, 07:45 PM

Yes they are. If you can't build something decent don't bother.

No, they aren't.

See below for where the landing is. The picture may be misleading, but you don't land any where near where the tool was.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/-Jordan-/landing.jpg

And if it doesn't effect you, then why does it bother you?

alpinestar12

10-08-2006, 08:10 PM

good on you man, you are awesome.

-Jordan-

10-08-2006, 08:26 PM

Sent you a PM rather than talk here...

rickazz

10-08-2006, 08:30 PM

-Jordan-

10-08-2006, 08:39 PM

if only i had a hat to take off to him. what can i say bravo:p

and i reckon if the people who was wrecking the things have a problem with the riders i spose that you isnt it so uve recked it for your selves.
and people get pissed off when you cut down trees.

by the way i thought id cheer you fellas up

Hey man, thanks heaps for that.

First up, I don't know the guys who destroyed it, they don't know me, so no, I didn't wreck it for myself.

And secondly, THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT THEM DID NOT CUT DOWN ANY TREES!

You can thank the council for that. They went through the whole place and cut down all the trees / bushes.

If you don't believe me, then give them a call yourself and ask.

But hey, thanks for jumping to conclusions. Champion.

rickazz

10-08-2006, 08:44 PM

easy tiger just thought cause you have built a north short thingo right on it, it may of been you.

Hex515

10-08-2006, 10:45 PM

Yes they are. If you can't build something decent don't bother.

Most of the trails that I have seen built that are now good have started of dodgy and sketchy. The builders have slowly worked their way up and got better at building (same as you get better at riding).

I don't have a problem with northshore. But please built it where people aren't going to see it and don't trash the surrounding terrain - bush walkers and other citizens really don't like it.

urbanrider

12-08-2006, 07:13 PM

good on you man, you are awesome.

I second that

clam down Jordan, they were shit jumps anyway, admit it, they were like stp huckage.

At least you have put a dirt kicker there now.

Yes they are. If you can't build something decent don't bother.

Indeed, If it what was you(and i was told so), the new track at sparkes is dreadful, that kicker in your dp is about a 1.5 metre gap, the berms suck.
Please make some descent stuff, take some time into building tracks.

hardtailer

13-08-2006, 07:33 PM

i will try and get some pics of my old ns. unfortunatly it was apparantly unsafe and harming to the enviroment as said on the prime news and the canberra times, :cool: yeh my work is famouse.

@nDr3w

13-08-2006, 08:56 PM

i will try and get some pics of my old ns. unfortunatly it was apparantly unsafe and harming to the enviroment as said on the prime news and the canberra times, :cool: yeh my work is famouse.

must of been pretty high quality stuff. can't wait to see it. although i can't imagine Prime Possum would of been too pleased with you terrorizing his home.

-Jordan-

14-08-2006, 04:05 PM

I second that

clam down Jordan, they were shit jumps anyway, admit it, they were like stp huckage.

At least you have put a dirt kicker there now.

Umm... no - I haven't been there in a long time, and haven't built any dirt kickers.

Indeed, If it what was you(and i was told so), the new track at sparkes is dreadful, that kicker in your dp is about a 1.5 metre gap,

Believe it or not, but not everyone can do big gaps. :eek: I'm sure you were there once in your life mate.

the berms suck.
Please make some descent stuff, take some time into building tracks.

I helped for a very small part of that - and from what I was told, it was the basic design - they weren't finished.

urbanrider

14-08-2006, 08:02 PM

Umm... no - I haven't been there in a long time, and haven't built any dirt kickers.

Believe it or not, but not everyone can do big gaps. :eek: I'm sure you were there once in your life mate.

I helped for a very small part of that - and from what I was told, it was the basic design - they weren't finished.

Ok, I was told you built the new kickers, sorry for that.
The new track sucks, so whoever built it(not you) obviously cannot constuct a berm well.

And yes, I was at your stage once in my life, but I wasn't on a phat dually with tripples, just a $300 xc hardtail, you make me feel very jealous:o

im over it:p

custard

14-08-2006, 08:05 PM

Ok, I was told you built the new kickers, sorry for that.
The new track sucks, so whoever built it(not you) obviously cannot constuct a berm well.

And yes, I was at your stage once in my life, but I wasn't on a phat dually with tripples, just a $300 xc hardtail, you make me feel very jealous:o

im over it:p

are you blaming my perfect berms in which you are too noob to rail?

norco_maniac

14-08-2006, 08:18 PM

i found some very bad notshore down at my beach house, down the end of the street. some bmx dudes had some bad ideas!

urbanrider

14-08-2006, 09:36 PM

are you blaming my perfect berms in which you are too noob to rail?

no, they were awsume, im talking about the ones with that 1.5 metre gap off a lil wood thing, near where we jump to flat...

pfft, i was railing them, it would of been easier if I had MY hardtail:p

man, my kona is going to jenny craig...

Air time erik

15-08-2006, 06:43 PM

the trail at sparks isnt that great but it was our first attempt so we're still learning, the only ppl that went anywhere near our northshore where fucking paint sniffing boggans!!! so really if anything we built them a place to sit on :p you guys arent very nice

i always wondered what the weather was like up there on your high horses :cool:

scratchy

16-08-2006, 07:21 PM

OK, the point of this post was to put examples up of what not to do to promote discussion and learning. At least the drops in question were great learning drops with nothing to hit anywhere near the landing zone. Critique and move on kids, if you want to get all personal I'll bring out the stick...

norcotim

17-08-2006, 04:53 PM

here are some pics from a peace of land i own

bolzy

17-08-2006, 05:08 PM

here are some pics from a peace of land i own

half of that timber looks rotted and about too fall apart

wdshiver

17-08-2006, 05:14 PM

here are some pics from a peace of land i own

Those are some definate NOTshores

alpinestar12

17-08-2006, 07:42 PM

that is so NOTshore it is not funny

djdom

17-08-2006, 07:44 PM

looks good how long did it take u to make them cople of days work and they would be good as gold

Beaudozer

19-08-2006, 03:37 PM

its people like that the not shore builders that get quality tracks like mona pull down:mad:

Mattydv

19-08-2006, 06:40 PM

here are some pics from a piece of land i own

its people like that the not shore builders that get quality tracks like mona pull down:mad:

Well thankfully he owns the land so you can't blame him for a local NS track being pulled down. And all of the other NotShore you have seen has been relatively small so you can't blame a track you know on other NS. You blame the person that built it on council land without permission.

That being said these are the results of my 30 minute attempt which i built on private land. Action shot as well :)

Jon

20-08-2006, 08:00 AM

I think Norcotim's stuff is yes ,dodgy in construction BUT
1.He has put trails where none could be without major clearing of vegetation.
2.He has not notched any trees for support,he has used cleats screwed/nailed to the tree.
3.He has protected the original ground from damage through erosion which is a major thing as some of that ground looks pretty damp.
Some of you guys should think about the good side of stuff that people build rather than just say it looks shit.If you can do better then lets see it.Building decent tracks/stunts is a huge time and skill and money committment and some of us just have to make do with what we can,so give all the tryers a break and keep your comments thoughtful criticism ,if any.
I'll get off my high horse now:D
cheers jon

Gravjunkie

22-08-2006, 09:11 PM

whoppershnoz

22-08-2006, 10:10 PM

yep that drop is on s57 on mt wellington. its a fair way off the main track however and as far as i know it was recently ripped down and the pallets used for use on the main track. Check pedalbite.com for details on s57. It was rotten and no one used it

Air time erik

23-08-2006, 02:05 PM

Not sure isnt funny i ánt laughing!!!

tinkerbell

24-08-2006, 08:16 AM

haha thats not crapy north shore you should of seen the ns me and my mate made we had 2 shoping trolly's about 50 brick's 2 street sing's and a tiny bit of roten wood . it all worked out fine was fun to ride (for the day).
:) wish i had some pics for you's

olly1oo6

24-08-2006, 09:48 AM

Gotta say, those notshore pics from tassie are quite horrible, but it looks like you have some amazing terrain there! I was down in Tasmania a few years ago, and its really an amazing place....just think what amazing trails you could have with a bit of work:)

julianwisbey

24-08-2006, 10:33 AM

here are some pics from a peace of land i own

tht iz lyk fuli sik i lyk wanna hitt it up on mah huffy is got 2 shockies wich mak me abl 2 hit sweet jumpz lyk them can i cal u so we can hit em up 1 daii
:rolleyes:
those things are farkin dangerous it would be inposible to do unless you were on a huffy

rabatt

24-08-2006, 02:41 PM

hmmm, i reckon norco tims not shore has potential, exept the last one, pretty dodgy down ramp imo, however as has allready been pointed out, without north shore in that area you would have to clear a fair bit of bush, and build it up so it wasnt slush, plus that looks like a fun layout, use better wood and make it abit stronger and it would be awsome.

my 2c

i should post some pics of the northshore stuff we have on our place

norcotim

24-08-2006, 06:30 PM

tht iz lyk fuli sik i lyk wanna hitt it up on mah huffy is got 2 shockies wich mak me abl 2 hit sweet jumpz lyk them can i cal u so we can hit em up 1 daii
:rolleyes:
those things are farkin dangerous it would be inposible to do unless you were on a huffy

im willing to take a bit of slack for posting it (ie its bad and stuff) but that ^ is over the top mate i posted it up cause it was bad!!!! and it was built like 4 years ago , but after i put that post on i thought that i would spend some money and go up there and rebuild it,so ill post some pics of it up when it is rebulit and not so notshore......

cheers tim

mtbin.

27-08-2006, 06:10 PM

man some of that north shore is pretty dodgy
isnt the whole piont of north shore to protect
the enviroment not destroy it...:confused:
oh well thats what i think:)
cheers al:D

iliketoride

28-08-2006, 11:07 AM

just finished making it. not completely dodgy, just not the best haha.

Mattydv

28-08-2006, 08:15 PM

That doesn't seem too bad. The lander looks like it needs some work though :p

iliketoride

28-08-2006, 08:32 PM

the downramp isnt bad just pretty easy to over shoot. Now i only wish it was a bit higher off the ground, but i can always build more cause its on my own land.haha

division_4

29-08-2006, 09:50 PM

some pretty good stuff there guys..keep it up

konabob

30-08-2006, 08:46 PM

little drop i built at home on the weekend

wdshiver

30-08-2006, 08:53 PM

That aint no NOTshore.!

Mur

30-08-2006, 09:51 PM

little drop i built at home on the weekend

Your not giving your work the credit it deservs:p

Air time erik

30-08-2006, 09:56 PM

Thats i nice drop But still its not notshore

highharry

31-08-2006, 06:52 PM

sweet work mate its awsome would love some stuff like that round my parts. start a buisness NICE NORTHSHORE INC.

cooper_sgs

05-09-2006, 10:05 AM

Gesh! That's hard to believe, I mean they are so well hidden it's hard to believe that anyone would have discovered them? ;) Did you think about painting them green to match the lawn?

HAHA ur a funny bugger sratchy

The first pic from the opening post is a classic
MAN as if it wouldnt hold, youd be stupid not to hit that thing :p
HAHA anyone seen that HBA add where it goes kids will allways be kids and they build a big jump outa crates and stickytape and broom sticks for support and just before a kid hits it on his bike one of them testes is for saftey *it sways everywhere* and he gives him the thumb's up :p ...i allways new there was sumkind of hidden message in that add:p

RED BARRON

06-09-2006, 10:42 PM

Hey riders, I have just signed on and was interested on the discussion about someones attempt to build the big ramps at Kinglake one of the crew walked on it and fell thru. Fair crack, man made ramps are only needed to protect the track from errosion and dont FN cut down trees, we all need to be careful so the track doesnt get shut down - Not cool.
PS To the dudes that put in the ramp - Nice try, it is good to be keen why dont you hook up with some more experienced builders and help to maintain the track.

binner

06-09-2006, 11:22 PM

little drop i built at home on the weekend

gulp ...is that a dead beast on the right of frame???

Mattydv

07-09-2006, 05:26 PM

gulp ...is that a dead beast on the right of frame???

I'm thinking more of a dead tree branch from the pine tree behind the drop, hence the dead brown look of the pine needles.
Or
Just a random pile of dirt

whitey89

08-09-2006, 09:56 AM

These are some NS my mates built, I personally dont think these are that bad northshores. The first one however did get broken, as one of my mates droped on to it and snaped almost every rung a day after i took the photo!

lucco

08-09-2006, 10:36 AM

the first and second ones are major NOTshore but the last looks pretty nice, mainly cause its out of dirt but it looks like a sweet drop. make the landing of the second one into all rock like the piece that is after the ramp. that'd be nice then, looks like good riding area...

bighitbazz

08-09-2006, 08:55 PM

id ride it wwooo

Matt H

08-09-2006, 09:57 PM

that's a great first post buddy...
yeah, with that first picture, wouldn't it slide around heaps under impact, doesn't seem to be connected to anything?

sammydog

13-09-2006, 09:46 PM

Here is some stuff that is about to be pulled down by council, so it is soon to be ex-NOT SHORE.

http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45734
http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45735
http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45736
http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45376
http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45375
http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45367
http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45369

This stuff was actually pretty well built, but not council proof, so it gets my vote as Not Shore. It has sp[arked some debate with the council though and we are investigating the possiblity of future legal shore type trails. It will be a while off yet though.

mcwilly

14-09-2006, 02:55 PM

those last ones from eleebana are so good, built so strong

ec_dh

14-09-2006, 04:46 PM

julianwisbey

14-09-2006, 05:00 PM

in english ??:rolleyes:

scratchy

14-09-2006, 05:17 PM

i dont know why youz are sayin eleebana is notshore it is sturdy as all fuck ive ridden it heaps of times and watched everyone else ride it and it is sick, and more solid than my 73fj40 and just want to say youz done a good job at buildin it boys wosh it didnt have to go its one sweet area :mad:

If you can't be bothered to spell, don't post. Please edit/translate into English.

sammydog

14-09-2006, 06:25 PM

i dont know why youz are sayin eleebana is notshore it is sturdy as all fuck ive ridden it heaps of times and watched everyone else ride it and it is sick, and more solid than my 73fj40 and just want to say youz done a good job at buildin it boys wosh it didnt have to go its one sweet area :mad:

Sturdy as hell, yes your not wrong there. One of the builders is my home handyman of choice.

And yes I have ridden them as well.

But I would call them Not Shore from the impact they have had with the Council.

Mattydv

14-09-2006, 07:45 PM

So super disappointed that the Eleebana trail is getting pulled down. Took ages to build... Maybe they'll move the track to my place instead..... :p

Air time erik

15-09-2006, 04:50 PM

Those look sweet

ac666

25-10-2006, 04:31 PM

i dont know why youz are sayin eleebana is notshore it is sturdy as all fuck ive ridden it heaps of times and watched everyone else ride it and it is sick, and more solid than my 73fj40 and just want to say youz done a good job at buildin it boys wosh it didnt have to go its one sweet area :mad:

It may be sturdy but there isn't much point unless it's council/land owner approved now is it?

btw NOTHING is more sturdy than a 40 series!:D :cool:

bdstorer

26-10-2006, 04:02 PM

Found this gem in Tassie, while down at the Nat round last Nov. A local XC rider showed me so I dont know if anyone actually rode it but judging by the landing area, I doubt it, or it hadn't been ridden for ages.

Any of you Tassie boys seen this (or built it)? Not far off the road side heading up to Mt. Wellington.

Yep.. this is some old er.. 'gold'. Mate, you should see some of the pallet drops not far from that spot! Super sketchy!! Me though.. I've built my own 'notshore' in my front yard.. the dirt is way too powdery for dirt jumps so I whipped up a few little ladders to jump off in a mini run.. it's definately a contender for 'notshore'.... if its any interest.. its constructed from treated pine and HUON PINE!!:eek: Gotta be the most expensive ladders in town!! Haha.. sprayed that one gold for good measure! Huon Pine Bling!!:D

Plow King

26-10-2006, 08:12 PM

definitely what i'm calling it from now on,i have seen so much dodge not shore stuff,but then i have seen some good builds,vary rare though.dont mean i aint going to ride it though.

Bit of a dig, but that is the sketchiest crap ive ever seen. I refused to ride it because it sucked so bad. Got flex?

Mojo

26-10-2006, 09:17 PM

SAMMYDOG!!!

that shore looks like an awsome lil set of stuff to practice on. why is it being for. apart from council being council. how did they find out??? not another unsupervised child that broke his arm and parents want to sue. haha

Live2DieTrying

28-10-2006, 11:30 PM

NorcoTim,
I live less than 400m from that hill, and I'd never seen that short raised path over the logs until about 10 weeks ago.
What happened to our (My friends and Mine) drop at the bottom of that? It used to be a nice 6' high, and someone took it down, put it back up at 4' and nailed i into a (Petostrum? Tree (those annoying spotty ones) ) on a dodgy angle... It used to be bigger.

The landing is a huge mistake made by Callum Oakey (He's English) and couldn't dig when he was 17. He didn't understand it needed to be longer and bigger and steeper.

That short raised section makes the place look better than it used to. It used to be so plain. Even though it's bad, good job. There wasn't anything cut down to make this.

As for the other stuff around there (the next drop along the hill) they're not so good. I haven't ridden up over that big fallen tree yet. I'll go there when I'm on my bike again.

luke_rowell

01-11-2006, 02:40 PM

Yeah some of this stuff is pretty dodgy and dangerous IMO. it seems alot of people are not big fans of northshore stuff no matter how its built. i can understand when its built like crap then there is a problem. i think there is a place for north shore in track building, espicially when you have a problem in areas that lack alot of natural terrian that make tracks enjoyable, of course it always needs to be on private land with approval from owners becuase concils dont want to touch it with a 10foot pole.

anyway thought i would post up a bit of a build (i definatly wouldent class it as notshore but lets see what people say) that we did awhile ago (its no longer there), it was where a DH track crossed a XC track, so to avoid any chance of collision we built an over pass over the top. not liked by all but it did the job.

dcrofty

02-11-2006, 06:02 PM

Found this stuff in the bush when I was at work. Heaps of work gone into this track. Some of it is OK, some is pretty shonky. The guys are causing a bit of damage though. Lot of the gums in the area got the chop which I don't agree with.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/dcrofty/Notshore5.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/dcrofty/Notshore4.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/dcrofty/Notshore3.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/dcrofty/Notshore2.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/dcrofty/Notshore1.jpg

enjoy!

fletcha2233

02-11-2006, 06:22 PM

Quote;Found this stuff in the bush when I was at work. Heaps of work gone into this track. Some of it is OK, some is pretty shonky. The guys are causing a bit of damage though. Lot of the gums in the area got the chop which I don't agree with.

lol that is my old track that got trashed by little kids the cut all the ns down to suit them lil kids o well im ova the ns thing now so o well it is gettin burnt soon ma

Mattydv

02-11-2006, 06:27 PM

That looks like it would've been a nice track in it's day. Doesn't appear to be too dangerous though in those pics... although some of the supports I don't think i'd trust...

fletcha2233

02-11-2006, 06:38 PM

it was a good track i enjoyed it then to many people found out and it just started gettin rebuild by lil kids to suit them so we will prob re build a dh track else where
:(

Certifi

03-11-2006, 05:48 PM

I think most of the time the problem with people building crapy northshore on their trail is lazyness. people dont want to have to take a whole lot of piks, shovels, and half desent wood in with them, nor do they want to spend ages working on them. Alot of noob ns builders just want to ride into their favourite track and then ride out again with some ns. Come on guys if your building ns do it properly for everyone sake!

northvanguy

03-11-2006, 06:27 PM

any north shore attempts are warranted.. i've just arrived in melbourne, grew up in north van, and am in withdrawal, any pointers or suggestions to a guy in need of riding some stunts within a couple hrs of melbourne are highly encouraged... cheers

FR Drew

03-11-2006, 08:22 PM

Due to climate, Australia has very little need for North Shore style constructions beyond a desire to ride technical trail features. This leaves land managers with trails of increased risk of injury and therfore increased liability for no good reason beyond thrillseeking.

There are some areas where ground is fragile or weed/fungus/dieback is a problem or trails would become boggy due to inherent poor drainage but these areas where "shore" could actually be used for a legitimate reason are almost never the areas where it is built. If land managers could see sensible shore being constructed by trailbuilders in order to protect the environment and solve trail sustanability issues as it originally was used in Vancouver then they may be more accepting.

The Beechworth Chain Gang are 3.5 hours from Melbourne (hardly local) and have a dedicated mountainbike park including some Northshore.

look up

www.beechworthchaingang.com

If you are expecting to find Shore in Australia built like it is in Canada, prepare to be deeply disappointed.

fleshbone

04-11-2006, 02:02 AM

yeh pretty much what fr drew said.the only place that i have ridin here in oz that actual utilized shore to the land and their own advantage was down in the _______.that's the only place i've been to where it was better off being their instead of trampiling bush.

p.s i will not disclose the place where it is.

white_sac

05-11-2006, 01:04 PM

definitely what i'm calling it from now on,i have seen so much dodge not shore stuff,but then i have seen some good builds,vary rare though.dont mean i aint going to ride it though.

I think it is quite funny when people who can't ride report people of "not sure". Man if you can't ride whats been built don't worry god won't punnish you. How bout actually riding the "not sure" and then have a go at the passionate people that actually go out of there way to build something to ride. Not these other bludgers that ride everyone elses...:mad:

FR Drew

05-11-2006, 04:13 PM

I think it is quite funny when people who can't ride report people of "not sure". Man if you can't ride whats been built don't worry god won't punnish you. How bout actually riding the "not sure" and then have a go at the passionate people that actually go out of there way to build something to ride. Not these other bludgers that ride everyone elses...:mad:

Well, if it's going to be viewed as either a hazard or as environmental vandalism and lead to more trials being closed then I'm not sure that the "passionate people" are doing any MTB riders a favour by building it.

Well constructed and authorised "shore" that isn't going to give riders or trailbuilders a bad name I don't think anyone has an issue with, but most of it doesn't fall into that category.

dcrofty

05-11-2006, 05:52 PM

I think it is quite funny when people who can't ride report people of "not sure". Man if you can't ride whats been built don't worry god won't punnish you. How bout actually riding the "not sure" and then have a go at the passionate people that actually go out of there way to build something to ride. Not these other bludgers that ride everyone elses...:mad:

dude I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say here but I think there are some crossed wires. There is a difference between 'not sure' and 'not shore' and perhaps this is causing some confusion?

Air time erik

06-11-2006, 12:17 PM

but he does have a point there are people out there that just rubbish trails whether they have notshore, northshore or "Aussieshore" or just rough rocky sections or a difficult track altogether and they cant ride it so they call it vandalism or damaging to the enviroment, lets just have paved walk ways thrue the bush keep all those fellas happy

dcrofty

06-11-2006, 12:48 PM

Why is it assumed that some people are rubbishing some of these constructions because they cannot ride them.

I can't do a heap of things and I don't call for every trail that I can't do to be torn down. And I certainly don't like the idea of paved highways through the bush.

So lets get this clear. The reason that some people like myself don't particularly like some of the dodgy northshore out there are

1. Its dangerous. have a close look at the thickness and condition of the timber used for the rungs on the ladder in this pic.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/dcrofty/Notshore4.jpg
I felt unsafe just standing on the thing to take the photo. There is also no tyre marks or mud on the timber which tells me that even the people who made it don't ride it much.
2. Illegal and dodgy constructions give people who don't like MTB and trail building ammunition and make it harder for us to get good trails. That trail is built illegally on public land and I don't imagine it would survive very long if the land managers discovered it.

Don't get me wrong, the guys have put a lot of time and effort into that track and you have to applaud their enthusiasm but sometimes people need to put a bit more thought into some of these constructions.

white_sac

06-11-2006, 03:02 PM

FR Drew

06-11-2006, 03:04 PM

Must have taken the "Rumsfeld" approvals option...

That's the easiest way to get waterboard approval :)

white_sac

06-11-2006, 03:08 PM

Must have taken the "Rumsfeld" approvals option...

That's the easiest way to get someone to authorise a waterboard :)

what do you mean by the "rumsfeld" approach??

FR Drew

06-11-2006, 03:32 PM

In the last week or so, Donald Rumsfeld in the US did an interview (which was for a tiny little media outlet and which he I guess he thought no-one would notice) where he expressed something along the lines that holding someone's head underwater in order to find out information would be a "no brainer". Effectively that he was authorising or condoning a form of torture referred to as "water boarding".

Had to be there.

As with many jokes, if it requires that much explanation then the moment is lost. Forget I mentioned it.

Dumbellina

06-11-2006, 05:03 PM

Permission is a valuable commodity, why would you ruin it by making crap.

I agree its not about who can and can't ride it. Think of it this way, if someone riding it stacks and hurts themselves, will they sue because you constructed a trail negligently. If you can foresee that your shoddy work will cause someone an injury, and cause the whole place to be shut down, then its "not shore". Simple

dcrofty

06-11-2006, 08:50 PM

fair enough man i definatly see where you are going. And yeah your right that hasn't been riden for a long time. but that track actually did get water board approval (don't know how, but it did) that is on waterboard land.

That's interesting. I'm glad to hear that someone actually took the time to ask permission but I don't know if the person who gave it had the right to. That particular chunk of land is actually unalienated crown land. Sydney Water have an easement through the land where the waterboad pipeline is but they don't actually own or manage it. Its managed by the Department of Lands at Parramatta (and before you ask I work for the local council and have checked the ownership on our property database)

astroboy

08-11-2006, 11:36 PM

Not one of mine, but rather one of the dodgy pieces of crap we had to pull down at Majura Pines earlier this year as part of the cleanup. The support struts were connected by a single long nail, and the uprights at the launch end were not actually dug into the ground - you could pick up the end and give it a bit of flex to the left and the right.

No apologies from me here - it was an accident just waiting to happen.

Astro
Harsh, but fair.

FR Drew

09-11-2006, 08:39 AM

Oh come on Astro, now you're just being picky!

Just because a few of the planks had busted through and it's held together with 2 nails doesn't make it notshore!

"I heard it was flexy..."

heckler

19-11-2006, 07:24 PM

RacelineBoy

19-11-2006, 08:55 PM

astroboy, i see what u mean, but it is not the worst NOtshore.

teflon

23-11-2006, 07:53 AM

I thought you guys might be interested in some of the trail building that we've done this summer on the real Shore (capital S).

NSMBA Trail Day tales (http://www.nsmba.bc.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=26&Itemid=39)

You'll note that Shore isn't necessarily all ladder bridges, teeter totters and drops. We build a lot of trail using rocks to armour the trail and protect against erosion.

The biggest advantage we have is an abundance of big cedar trees lying on the ground to cut up into rungs. I really notice that benefit of building here.

Yeah trail builders in Aus could learn alot from how the guys manage trails here in Vancouver. Trails on Vancouvers' shore are typically steeper, have high levels of water and traffic so they have to be built properly. No short cuts.

Its a shame there's no cedar in Aus, its the perfect building material - soft wood that cuts clean and resists rot.