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melbourne rider
22-09-2006, 03:22 PM
easton has brought out a titanium grim-reaper bmx frame.
2lb bmx frame !!!:eek:
http://www.vitalbmx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=32 <<<<<<< LINK
the frame will cost around $1500 us
Yeah, I heard Morgan Wade can do 540 bunnyhops on them!
EDIT: Whoops it mentioned that in the video...
The bike look nice, I wonder if it would hold up to all kinds of riding? Expensive!
Tristan23
22-09-2006, 05:47 PM
Yeah, I heard Morgan Wade can do 540 bunnyhops on them!
EDIT: Whoops it mentioned that in the video...
The bike look nice, I wonder if it would hold up to all kinds of riding? Expensive!
he said also in the video that he wouldnt go out and jump a 40foot double on it but that it would hold up to most regular abuse that you can throw at it.
sweeeeeeet in my opinion..a bmx that weighs 9kg complete..give me one anyday.
bmx4life
22-09-2006, 05:53 PM
yuck yuck yuck yuck
those frames exploded as it is, and now they make them even weaker. imagine the amount of flex
stupid.
Yeah, I heard Morgan Wade can do 540 bunnyhops on them!
EDIT: Whoops it mentioned that in the video...
The bike look nice, I wonder if it would hold up to all kinds of riding? Expensive!
on one of the Props Megatours, some guy is coming down faking and pulls out a 540 hop. he was only like a normal 5 and a half pound something frame
::RideSiK::
22-09-2006, 08:31 PM
its the rider not the bike, n00bs...
melbourne rider
23-09-2006, 12:35 AM
yeah, you cant just ride a good bike and become suddenly good.
you will still suck but the bike will be lighter:p
shmeado
23-09-2006, 10:23 AM
i dont think they would be selling it if was pron to "explode". just because they are light doesn't mean that they are weak. If a 2 pound steel bike came on the market i would be worried but this is titanium which can take a fair beating (its also expensive hence the 1500 US price tag).
Also the cutouts on it dont make it weaker, if a section of anything is under no stress what so ever it would be fine to remove it (though not in all cases, but then agian they probably tested the crap out of it to get it to were it is today)
And i so recon that u could get that bike down to less than 9kg, if it was weighed with that set up, it has 48 spoke wheels, a crap seat/post and u could probably get lighter forks, if u tried hard enough you could get it down to 8.5
If i had a spare 1500 us and was after a frame that light i would get one, its pretty stupid thou to spend that much on a bmx frame...
roasted
23-09-2006, 11:57 AM
If the cutouts dont mke it weaker, then explain to me why grim reapers break left right and center, yet the normal reapers dont?
melbourne rider
23-09-2006, 01:18 PM
If the cutouts dont mke it weaker, then explain to me why grim reapers break left right and center, yet the normal reapers dont?
yes well the normal grim reapers are made of steel ( as he said !!! ) and this one is made of titanium, so its alot stronger than cr-mo.
and roasted, have you ever riden a titanium grim reaper??? = NO
so how do you even have an opinion.?
...and this one is made of titanium, so its alot stronger than cr-mo....
What makes you think that?
Binaural
23-09-2006, 01:31 PM
What makes you think that?
Ti is about twice as strong as steel, but more flexible. To reduce the whippy feel Ti frames are usually built stronger, more like 2/3 or 3/4 the weight of steel, but that means that for a given weight a Ti frame will have more ultimate strength. Fatigue resistance is better as well.
roasted
23-09-2006, 01:50 PM
yeah, but this is about HALF the weight. so ridiculous amounts of flex.
one of the most important things to me in a bmx frame is how stiff it is. only want a touch of compliance.
bmx4life
23-09-2006, 01:53 PM
Titanium has a good strength to weight ratio. But if a ti frame the same thickness and the same frame in chromo, the ti would be weaker.
It would need to be thicker to be stronger
And yes grim reapers explode pretty much, I haven't seen many survive.
roasted
23-09-2006, 01:54 PM
and roasted, have you ever riden a titanium grim reaper??? = NO
so how do you even have an opinion.?
That is immaterial. I made no comment on how it rides.
Everyone that has a grim reaper that I am aware of has broken it - Donges, Randy Brown (smoothest guy in the WORLD), countless people off bikeguide. yet most of the normal reapers are holding up fine.
2 pounds for a type of bike that is meant to be ridden agressively? not going to trust that.
melbourne rider
23-09-2006, 02:21 PM
That is immaterial. I made no comment on how it rides.
Everyone that has a grim reaper that I am aware of has broken it - Donges, Randy Brown (smoothest guy in the WORLD), countless people off bikeguide. yet most of the normal reapers are holding up fine.
2 pounds for a type of bike that is meant to be ridden agressively? not going to trust that.
yeah i see your point now.
I WILL NEVER BUY ONE :) ( because im too poor :( )
andrew.
Titanium has a good strength to weight ratio. But if a ti frame the same thickness and the same frame in chromo, the ti would be weaker.
It would need to be thicker to be stronger.
Feel free to explain that. The word to keep in mind when you do is.... WRONG
(I love it when people state absolute tripe as absolute fact):rolleyes:
tonas
25-09-2006, 08:27 AM
Chromo stronger than titanium.....mmmm, please enlighten me.
Titanium has these key properties:
# Excellent fatigue strength (twice that of 4130 steel).
# Excellent elongation (ductility). Ductile metals are pliable and easily worked, and can be drawn, shaped and formed without cracking or breaking.
# Excellent corrosion resistance.
# Strength-to-weight ratio higher than steel, both before and after welding.
But I'm sure Grip can provide insight on this topic...
Andy.
^^^^^^ No need for me to say anything, Andy. I think you covered it quite well. I'm just waiting for BMX4LIFE to answer now;)
melbourne rider
25-09-2006, 12:57 PM
he'll copy and paste tonas's post :D
THE YETI
09-10-2006, 11:20 PM
ok, obviously this thing is supposed to be super light, and it is Ti. But would anyone really trust one of these things?? For something to be able to be built up to under 9kg, they've had to sacrifice something. You can buy road bikes that weigh more than that, and they'll fall apart if you try anything that resembles a jump.
I'm not saying the same applies to the Grim Reaper, but theres just something really dodgy about a frame THAT light.
proud_2_ride
10-10-2006, 05:44 PM
ya it just wouldnt be worth it to me unless i could ride smooth and perfect but i cant and i dont have the money to buy the frame.
the frame could be strong but i doubt it and to whom ever said ti was easy to work with it is one of the hardest metals in the world to work with from what i understand from reading and school
sketchyC
11-10-2006, 07:16 PM
yuck yuck yuck yuck
those frames exploded as it is, and now they make them even weaker. imagine the amount of flex
stupid.
yeh i believe there would be alot of flex as well
runjackrun
12-10-2006, 09:17 PM
my dad builds racing chassis for a series throughtout australia and i quizzed him about the titanium versus chromoly and he says that the titanium would be far superior. the ti tube would have to we a 1/4 of an inch thicker but would be superiour in strenght and elacticity. But i work at KFC so there is no way i would waste my money on a frame that would cost approx 2 grand australian.
TS153
14-10-2006, 11:35 AM
When they made this thing at 2 pounds I think they were kidding themselves even race frames float around the 4 pound mark with some of the lightest coming in at 3.
No way would I trust it race frames made for 8 year olds come in at 2 pounds but there would be many of you wanting to pay 2 grand for it.
supa jb
14-10-2006, 12:46 PM
its using thicker and bigger tubing than those race frames though so its alot stronger
TS153
14-10-2006, 03:18 PM
its using thicker and bigger tubing than those race frames though so its alot stronger
If it uses thicker and bigger tubing how do you suppose that keep the wieght down probably with a clause in the warranty saying once riden warranty is void.
Arete
14-10-2006, 03:38 PM
If it uses thicker and bigger tubing how do you suppose that keep the wieght down probably with a clause in the warranty saying once riden warranty is void.
Hahahah, cause what they write in the warranty is going to reduce the weight of the frame....
My thinking on the GR frames is that brand new the cut outs have little effect on frame strength, but I wonder what happens to the strength of the tubes when you invariably ding them up a bit (it's a bmx frame after all)? I'm no materials expert, but if you deform a structure when you've removed the redundant material and hence strength, it's probably uncool.
Super bling, super light, supper exxy, somewhat disposable. I'll just have a ride on a rich kid's one next time I'm around the North Shore.
TS153
14-10-2006, 11:19 PM
Hahahah, cause what they write in the warranty is going to reduce the weight of the frame....
Hahahaa. I was saying it in respect that the only way you could get it that lite in the first place is that the tubes would be too thin to actually be ridable.
If it was possible dont you think a race frame company would have done it already. I myself have owned a $2000 race frame, it wieghed 3.5 pound and after 1 year its now in the shed, snapped. So id hate to think what your not going to be able to do on it to make it last a year.
It must be aimed at the novice spoilt rich kid market so there will be no issue of the guy who owns it busting anything big or those guys that want to be cool and ride a BMX bike but like the idea of going for long road rides dressed in lycra
melbourne rider
15-10-2006, 01:16 AM
from what ive heard on ozscene, there is a lifetime warranty on the ti grim reaper.
if any company is stupid enough to bring out a $2000aus frame with a lifttime warranty that snaps in two, whats this world coming to??
if this is true then eastern will loose more than they gain over the sales of the ti g-r. people arnt generally that stupid so im guessing that eastern are happy enough with the frame to bring it onto the market with the confidence that they will not have to replace more than even one ti frame..
maybe, maybe not.. i dont realy care anyway
~# melbourne rider #~
EDIT: ITS 2:17AM AND IM F-N BORED AND HUNGOVER
TIMOH
15-10-2006, 09:25 AM
any bets that if you broke it, they would say your doing something your not meant to do on it.
2 smooth 4 u
15-10-2006, 10:05 AM
that would be extremley flexy.
the steel grim reapers dident brake at the holes,the broke at the headtube because they had hardley any gusseting there
have you seen the new estern completes-they have the holes in them:eek: stupid imo
Arete
16-10-2006, 12:08 PM
IMO, most people wouldn't mind their bike being a bit lighter. Eastern are out there trying something new to make bikes lighter. Like any new idea, it takes time to get it right.
I reckon innovation that benefits the rider is a good thing, even if it looks strange or untimately doesn't work. Props to Eastern for trying new stuff.
125hardtail
03-11-2006, 02:38 PM
The guys riding it in the video would be doing bigger stuff than most people out there, and If they are happy with it, (and there must be some truth to it because eventually they will have to ride it in comps or demos to promote it) I think it would stand up to what most non-pro riders would give it.
Abd to the people wondering how it could be possible to have a light bike without sacrificing too much strength... It's because you are sacrificing a lot of money to pay for the technology used to build it so light.
And when push comes to shove, the bike is designed for skateparks and such (as per the video) so I'm sure it would be strong enough for that.
Ruckus_Lord
03-11-2006, 09:30 PM
Well it's definantly good too see companies are looking outside the square with BMXs', they have stuck to pritty much the same technology and designs for years now and a little bit of mixing isn't bad...Seeing Eastern come up with clever ways to cut the weight down is awesome, I think in a couple of years this kind of stuff will start getting more dialled by other companies or Eastern themselves.
Some people may thing it's pritty stupid making such a rediculasly lightweight frmae as there's not really a market for them....But that's Easterns decision to market a type of bike, if they've had demand for them, people must like them! I would be a LITTLE hesidant to put away $1500+ on a pioneer Ti freestyle BMX frame, but that's just me!
One thing i'd like to pick at though, is in the picture shown...They run all this bullshit light Ti stuff....but have 48 spoke rear wheel? Da' f$#k?!
Anyway, just a couple thoughts in response to some peoples replies:
have you seen the new estern completes-they have the holes in them:eek: stupid imo
Why is that? Such a company as Eastern clearly know what they're doing when it comes to manufacturing bikes and a whollleee lot of research would have gone into it before they started cutting bits out of the frame.
any bets that if you broke it, they would say your doing something your not meant to do on it.
Well yeah, pritty much, they don't offer warrenty on denting, bending or breaking, hence why they put a very clear message, "If you're a hard rider, this may not be the bike for you!"
You can buy road bikes that weigh more than that, and they'll fall apart if you try anything that resembles a jump.
I'm not saying the same applies to the Grim Reaper, but theres just something really dodgy about a frame THAT light.
OK, bringing road bikes into the subject of BMX is a LITTLE out of proportion; But yes it is a very light build, but $10 says it could hold up to abuse from a LOT of the ameture riders out there, Heck, it'd keep up with Morgan Wade fairly well too....It all depends on what kinda' rider you are in the end.
When they made this thing at 2 pounds I think they were kidding themselves even race frames float around the 4 pound mark with some of the lightest coming in at 3.
No way would I trust it race frames made for 8 year olds come in at 2 pounds but there would be many of you wanting to pay 2 grand for it.
As stated in the video, they had a large demand for them, hence why they put them into production, so obviously people buy them (Either really rich kids or those of the community that are smooth and don't tend to huck as much....tech riders would be a fair example for this). Making an initial judgement that you wouldn't trust it is a bit unfair, as quoted above, Eastern are a company who know there shit, they put research into their frames and come out with great innovations. I think you'd find these frames would take a fair bit of abuse, but yeah, anything too over the top would most likely cause damage.
from what ive heard on ozscene, there is a lifetime warranty on the ti grim reaper.
if any company is stupid enough to bring out a $2000aus frame with a lifttime warranty that snaps in two, whats this world coming to??
Nah that's faulse, reffer to my above comment.
Hm, all in all, nice, innovative...But flleexxtacular.
floody
03-11-2006, 10:39 PM
I would bet most if not all of these things will end up in BMX collections...
will...
04-11-2006, 07:25 PM
Cool, speed holes..
Nah in all seriousness, my mates got one (not Ti), and its extremely light, and dosen't look like it's gonna break anywhere, except the dropouts..
E-thugin
05-11-2006, 09:57 AM
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i think its fuckin nice...
ur average joe blow thrashing around on the weekend, may not be able to afford it nor would they really need a bike like this.. alot of people purchase "exotic" bikes & bike parts for the wank factor or because they asked daddy to buy it for them..
i think they have aimed the sales of this frame to people who do competition riding, it will be a great advantage to have a bike that light over a bike that weighs alot more.. i believe its well worth the risk riding a bike like this coz of how "cut throat" competiton is these days... it may let you do that one extra whip, give that extra spin, let you hop that little bit higher & let u gap like a mofo..
refering to the cost of the frame. it is expensive. but you would expect it to be expensive because of how much titainium cost as a material & the extra time n labour it takes to build the frame.... its alot easier and faster to tig weld cr-mo than it is to weld Ti..
i think the price will start coming down once they sell more of the frames..
bowzaa
05-11-2006, 11:22 AM
Anyone thought that titanium, when it fails, it gives way and snaps rather than bending or cracking. So, if it dies, your going to know about it in a big way. Just a little tense when your boosting an air or spinning a set of trails...
Binaural
05-11-2006, 11:27 AM
Anyone thought that titanium, when it fails, it gives way and snaps rather than bending or cracking. So, if it dies, your going to know about it in a big way. Just a little tense when your boosting an air or spinning a set of trails...
No, I'd say Ti would have similar failure modes to steel (usually bends before fracturing), since it's quite a bit more flexible than steel or aluminum - see my post earlier (#12). If you were talking about carbon fibre I might agree with you ;)
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