fit importer/dealers

[hubbie]

who imports them in Aus? and who deals them in Sydney? cheers

[wombat]

I believe the importer is ECI (Elite Cycle Imports).

They're a pretty common brand these days too, so I'd say most serious BMX shops will have them. As for recommending specific shops, you're going to have to be a bit more specific with your location, "Sydney" is pretty big....

[hubbie]

northern suburbs/north sydney

[TIMOH]

I got mine from bmx mafia (cycology)

[technoboy]

who imports them in Aus? and who deals them in Sydney? cheers

dude get it from danscomp or albes dont buy it in aus..

[Jordy]

dude get it from danscomp or albes dont buy it in aus..


wat the fuck ? hence why Aussie prices are never going to get cheaper.

[technoboy]

wat the fuck ? hence why Aussie prices are never going to get cheaper.
why would you bother paying $700 for say a S3 when you could get it for like $350-$400...
dude for starters bikes are coming down for the simple reason more people are getting there stuff on the net.
WTF??? WTF YOUR SELF BUDDY...

[hubbie]

hey dale, Danscomp don't appear to have it. They have the AM which is about 400AUD not including postage, or it's about the same just for the flow frame. Albes is sold out and doesnt have a price.

cheers for the help guys

[Jordy]

why would you bother paying $700 for say a S3 when you could get it for like $350-$400...
dude for starters bikes are coming down for the simple reason more people are getting there stuff on the net.
WTF??? WTF YOUR SELF BUDDY...

for starters. every kid that buys OS then comes into the shop I work at whinges when they dont get cheap labour/parts and no Warranty. which is something I'd definetly want out of a BMX frame... thats more than a good enough reason to "bother" unless your gunna order every part from overseas. get no warranty. and know how repair your bikes. which 75% of bmxer kids cant do.

thats the dumbest fucking reason I've ever heard. notice they are also cheaper overseas ? I highly doubt the "simple" reason for them getting cheaper is because people are buying overseas. the sport is growing. hence bikes get cheaper. as not as much markup is needed to break even each year.

no wait. I can save $300 if I dont support my local shop.

if what your saying is right. why does 20 20 provide "support your local bmx shop" stickers ? I dont really think every local shop is sponsoring the mag. or paying for advertising.

[hubbie]

anyone know of any shops in sydney/north sydney that still stock 06 flows?

[tu plang]

for starters. every kid that buys OS then comes into the shop I work at whinges when they dont get cheap labour/parts and no Warranty. which is something I'd definetly want out of a BMX frame... thats more than a good enough reason to "bother" unless your gunna order every part from overseas. get no warranty. and know how repair your bikes. which 75% of bmxer kids cant do.

thats the dumbest fucking reason I've ever heard. notice they are also cheaper overseas ? I highly doubt the "simple" reason for them getting cheaper is because people are buying overseas. the sport is growing. hence bikes get cheaper. as not as much markup is needed to break even each year.

no wait. I can save $300 if I dont support my local shop.

if what your saying is right. why does 20 20 provide "support your local bmx shop" stickers ? I dont really think every local shop is sponsoring the mag. or paying for advertising.

technoboy does have a point though, you can save so much money buying overseas.

while we are on the topic jordy, were you are two or three agent frames in that next order?

[hubbie]

while we are on the topic jordy, were you are two or three agent frames in that next order?

on topic? how are we on topic at all? this is my thread about fitbikeco importers and distributors.

i forgive you toops, but it's hardly on topic

[tu plang]

i appreciate your forgiveness, however i never said we were on topic, i said on the topic. furthermore we have already established thats ECI distribute fit and the topic has moved on. finally, referring to a thread as "mine" is a bit of a joke, its a public forum which you seak other's advice on but thats a story for another time. it is unfortunate that not all threads dont eventuate in a shit fight but theres a few posts in here which demand it.

[hubbie]

sorry tuplang, i have to disagree, this can be considered my thread. surely your talk of agent bikes can be left to PM's, as whos to say Jordy will read this thread again.

Anyone know who still stocks O6 Flows?

[tu plang]

sorry tuplang, i have to disagree, this can be considered my thread. surely your talk of agent bikes can be left to PM's, as whos to say Jordy will read this thread again.

Anyone know who still stocks O6 Flows?

As i said its a pretty pathetic attitude to take, especially when you want people to answer your questions, as i also said its not the time to discuss that. Those who are adept at picking up on not so subtle undertone will realise why my talk of agent would be pointless beyond this thread.

[Jordy]

nah I figure I'll get the agent frames from overseas because they can sell them to me alot cheaper than the distributor and I dont mind stomping on the little guys trying to make a business out of it

[Daver]

why would you bother paying $700 for say a S3 when you could get it for like $350-$400...
dude for starters bikes are coming down for the simple reason more people are getting there stuff on the net.
WTF??? WTF YOUR SELF BUDDY...

Yeah, i mean why the f**k would you bother wasting your money buying one of those agent frames from Australia, better off just getting one from overseas for cheaper.

Dale, FFS, a distributor shouldn't say that, you actually are biting the hands that feed you.

[hubbie]

As i said its a pretty pathetic attitude to take, especially when you want people to answer your questions, as i also said its not the time to discuss that. Those who are adept at picking up on not so subtle undertone will realise why my talk of agent would be pointless beyond this thread.

Yeah, alright i get the point now why you posted it. missed it the first time, i'm just tired of my threads losing point, but hey, i'm sure i've done it to others too, so no probs

[.:Alan:.]

Yeah, i mean why the f**k would you bother wasting your money buying one of those agent frames from Australia, better off just getting one from overseas for cheaper.

Dale, FFS, a distributor shouldn't say that, you actually are biting the hands that feed you.

checked on some site that sells them overseas and its actualy cheaper to get it from here

[technoboy]

nah I figure I'll get the agent frames from overseas because they can sell them to me alot cheaper than the distributor and I dont mind stomping on the little guys trying to make a business out of it
your an idiot..
why would i sell them to you when your going to mark them anyway and then sell them to people for twice as much???
Agent!bikes are for the riders mate not the money so good luck...

[hubbie]

for starters. every kid that buys OS then comes into the shop I work at whinges when they dont get cheap labour/parts and no Warranty. which is something I'd definetly want out of a BMX frame... thats more than a good enough reason to "bother" unless your gunna order every part from overseas. get no warranty. and know how repair your bikes. which 75% of bmxer kids cant do.

thats the dumbest fucking reason I've ever heard. notice they are also cheaper overseas ? I highly doubt the "simple" reason for them getting cheaper is because people are buying overseas. the sport is growing. hence bikes get cheaper. as not as much markup is needed to break even each year.

no wait. I can save $300 if I dont support my local shop.

if what your saying is right. why does 20 20 provide "support your local bmx shop" stickers ? I dont really think every local shop is sponsoring the mag. or paying for advertising.

I think it's ultimately up to the buyer and is different for each. Sure you can say 'support your local bike shops', and i'm all for that, but often people simply can't afford to buy from their local bike shop.

I'm not a bike shop owner, so i cant be sure on this but more money for local shops means less money for the consumer, and usually i'd say thats not a choice the buyer wants to make, but just wants to find the cheapest option.

[technoboy]

Yeah, i mean why the f**k would you bother wasting your money buying one of those agent frames from Australia, better off just getting one from overseas for cheaper.

Dale, FFS, a distributor shouldn't say that, you actually are biting the hands that feed you.

Not really i signed a contract so no one but I can sell agent frames to people in Australia...
Mates rates buddy...
something you'll never know about!

[technoboy]

nah I figure I'll get the agent frames from overseas because they can sell them to me alot cheaper than the distributor and I dont mind stomping on the little guys trying to make a business out of it
As i said i have signed a contract just like any other distributor
good luck mate :p

[mpdowling]

Hey i was acutally wondering what the internet site is for Fit. or even a few places that can review them?

[evilhoik]

www.fitbikeco.com

www.bmx-test.com

[hubbie]

http://www.fitbikeco.com

bunch of sites give them brief reviews, but fit and flow are very common words in searches, so theres tons of unrelated rubbish

EDIT: Damn. Beaten with a stick

[Inverted]

nah I figure I'll get the agent frames from overseas because they can sell them to me alot cheaper than the distributor and I dont mind stomping on the little guys trying to make a business out of it

How do you get the frames direct if there is already a distributor in Australia?

[Jordy]

How do you get the frames direct if there is already a distributor in Australia?
the same way people buy over the interenet for cheaper than the distributor can get it to us ?
sign all the freakin contracts you want techno boy. if ME personally. not a shop. wanted to go and import a frame in and found it for cheaper than you get it. like your telling people you do.
Before you call me an idiot. and tell Daver he is not your "mate" try and re-read the shit instead of assuming im a bike shop. when I was refering to how your telling an individual to buy overseas. if you still dont realise. you signing a contract means sweet fuck all if an individual wants to purchase the frame from an overseas shop. and I guarantee there will be shops coming up with cheaper prices than you can give.

What happened, couldnt get spono'd so you thought you'd start a business to get cheap shit? you seem to know alot about the industry and how it all works though.

[Inverted]

Do you even know how much he sells the frames for? Maybe he could sell it to you cheaper.

[technoboy]

the same way people buy over the interenet for cheaper than the distributor can get it to us ?
sign all the freakin contracts you want techno boy. if ME personally. not a shop. wanted to go and import a frame in and found it for cheaper than you get it. like your telling people you do.
Before you call me an idiot. and tell Daver he is not your "mate" try and re-read the shit instead of assuming im a bike shop. when I was refering to how your telling an individual to buy overseas. if you still dont realise. you signing a contract means sweet fuck all if an individual wants to purchase the frame from an overseas shop. and I guarantee there will be shops coming up with cheaper prices than you can give.

What happened, couldnt get spono'd so you thought you'd start a business to get cheap shit? you seem to know alot about the industry and how it all works though.
good for you...
you must like the agent!bikes heaps to argue with me maybe instead of asking what price i could do for you...
Anyway sorry you feel this way,
If by chance you do end up getting a frame from OS dont come to me with warranty issues you will have to go through the shop you purchased from.
Regards,
Dale@agent-bikes.com

[Jordy]

Do you even know how much he sells the frames for? Maybe he could sell it to you cheaper.


it doesnt matter, torpedo 7 for example can get stuff and sell it with their markup for cheaper than most whole salers in the country get it for. so if needed im sure an OS shop COULD do it cheaper.

I dont think technoboy understands that i dont want an agent frame, im proving a point. in that. any importer had to start off small to get to where they are today. people promoting buying from a different source, would hold a small time business. like technoboys. back alot. so its fucking stupid for an importer of frames to go tell someone to purchase a frame from overseas. im saying that it will be just as easy for them to do it with his agent bikes aswell. as an online store that purchases 1000 of them will get them a heck of alot cheaper than technoboy who purchases maybe 50 ? and therefore. be able to sell them for as much as technoboy pays per frame and still make a profit. all it would take is one big online store to jump on the agent program and then how would he like it when people tell potential customers to purchase overseas ? after techno's brilliant display of knowledge. I wouldnt want to buy an agent either way.
I dont want to know a freakin price you could do for me technoboy. i DONT want an agent frame.

fit series 3's r cooooool

[hubbie]

fit series 3's r cooooool

sure as hell are. I love the raw and Black ones, but hey, i wouldnt knock back a blue one either!

[.:Alan:.]

the same way people buy over the interenet for cheaper than the distributor can get it to us ?
when I was refering to how your telling an individual to buy overseas.
What happened, couldnt get spono'd so you thought you'd start a business to get cheap shit?



first of all go have a look on the internet on overseas shops and see if you can find any agents cheaper than what you can get them here. I bet you cant find any cheaper.

And starting a buisness to just get cheap shit isnt the greatest idea if the brand only does a few frames, bars and stem, its more effort than its worth just to get cheapshit

[technoboy]

first of all go have a look on the internet on overseas shops and see if you can find any agents cheaper than what you can get them here. I bet you cant find any cheaper.

And starting a buisness to just get cheap shit isnt the greatest idea if the brand only does a few frames, bars and stem, its more effort than its worth just to get cheapshit

Thanks Alan :)
p.s Jordy unfortunately most people dont have the cash like you and Daver
so its cheaper to buy BMX frames OS (notice BMX!!!!)
I have been to many bike shops and not all shops have been helpful and the ones that have I'm greatfull.

you Obviously support your LBS because you get cheap stuff am i wrong??
see the thing that i cant stand is poo Tongue I've heard from the race scene your great at it..

[Jordy]

poo tongue ?

you called daver "not your mate" and me an "idiot"

alan and you have both missed the fucking point.

if most people dont have cash like "me and daver" maybe they should get a fucking job. I've only ever had to work for my shit and pay out of MY money.

The keewee brand (NOTICE MTB BRAND!!!!111ones!) started much like your agent frames, through a small company in Australia. and now you can purchase them off torpedo7 for less than the wholesaler could buy them at in oz... it took 6 months. but yep. you dont understand. its a lost freakin cause.

[Inverted]

Jordy its a buyers market, some people will research and purchase a product cheaper no matter where the shop is located. Others are happy to pay retail prices in OZ and get their warrenty and the service from the LBS.
I dont agree with buying parts from overseas companies but hey if you have a buget you do what you have too.
Its only been over the last few years prices have come done in OZ to a reasonable level,but if you want bling you have to pay. Especially if you building a frame up.
I think you have made you point, lets just leave it at that, eh?

[tu plang]

sorry to drag it out once more, but i think Jordy is getting at the fact that basically everyone involved in selling a bicycle product in this country gets shit hung on them about price. as far as im concerned, and as far as jordy is concerned (im sure), we are all in this together (industry folk) and undermining another persons business is not only hypocritical but its ultimately going to undermine every other business in the industry including your own.

ultimately you wouldnt tell someone to buy one of your products OS so you should atleast be descrete about other people's products.

[technoboy]

sorry to drag it out once more, but i think Jordy is getting at the fact that basically everyone involved in selling a bicycle product in this country gets shit hung on them about price. as far as im concerned, and as far as jordy is concerned (im sure), we are all in this together (industry folk) and undermining another persons business is not only hypocritical but its ultimately going to undermine every other business in the industry including your own.

ultimately you wouldnt tell someone to buy one of your products OS so you should atleast be descrete about other people's products.

yeah its called "support" i get the point...
Unfortunately if your in the industry your treated as a competitor.
so unless Its your company why be bothered by it.
No one Gives a fuck about anyone but they all pretend too.
Jordy is just speaking out loud for someone else he's like a puppet :p

[Jordy]

yeah its called "support" i get the point...
Unfortunately if your in the industry your treated as a competitor.
so unless Its your company why be bothered by it.
No one Gives a fuck about anyone but they all pretend too.
Jordy is just speaking out loud for someone else he's like a puppet :p

Your a fucking idiot. you started importing bikes because no shops would give you the frames at cost price. you even said it yourself in your abusive pm's when you were giving me pathetic threats of confrontation.... who am I speaking for ? im speaking for me. You have No idea about the industry, you've been importing frames for what, 6 months at most ? How many of these frames have you actually sold to a customer you've won over ? instead of one of your mates thats here to back you up. Maybe no one in the industry backs you up because your a complete dickhead ?
the amount of crap coming out of your mouth is beyond belief. 90% of importers in the country started out like you. as a frame importer I cant believe your stupid enough to slander a company as an "enemy" that has products you probably run on your bicycles. oh wait, did you buy them OS ?
I really dont care if I get banned or a warning or what for having a go at you. everyone on here that actually knows anything about the industry knows that Im right. Unfortunately for you and your enterprise. your an idiot. OVER !

[technoboy]

Your a fucking idiot. you started importing bikes because no shops would give you the frames at cost price. you even said it yourself in your abusive pm's when you were giving me pathetic threats of confrontation.... who am I speaking for ? im speaking for me. You have No idea about the industry, you've been importing frames for what, 6 months at most ? How many of these frames have you actually sold to a customer you've won over ? instead of one of your mates thats here to back you up. Maybe no one in the industry backs you up because your a complete dickhead ?
the amount of crap coming out of your mouth is beyond belief. 90% of importers in the country started out like you. as a frame importer I cant believe your stupid enough to slander a company as an "enemy" that has products you probably run on your bicycles. oh wait, did you buy them OS ?
I really dont care if I get banned or a warning or what for having a go at you. everyone on here that actually knows anything about the industry knows that Im right. Unfortunately for you and your enterprise. your an idiot. OVER !

took you long enough to reply... :) xxx
You say that people in the industrie know your right Pfft! tell all your industrie friends to put their traininng wheels back on.
Thats the problem With Industrie people in Australia not many of them can actually ride but because they know somone they get cheap stuff.
so why should i bull shit to people when i'm in the indutrie to help the riders not help the indsutrie kooks that used to over charge me?
Really in the end who do you think people are going to listen too?
Some little boy who thinks he knows everything or someone who has tested what he actually imports and doesnt care about being slandered on this site.
Trust me if this was anyone else's thread it would be locked by now...

[x]

somebody close this thread...:rolleyes:

[Jordy]

yep might aswell. I think we've proved to everyone Dirty imports isn't going anywhere. cept for maybe some more spam about how good the frames are via the forum.

[technoboy]

yep might aswell. I think we've proved to everyone Dirty imports isn't going anywhere. cept for maybe some more spam about how good the frames are via the forum.
atleast you know how good the frames are hey???

[Jordy]

atleast you know how good the frames are hey???

I dunno, I kinda meant it how you post about how good they are. but ummm ok. they must be good if the importer says so.

[E-thugin]

i mostly agree with jordy...



When you buy stuff OS you are sending AUST dollars overseas taking away from australian economy..
& when so many people keep getting stuff OS its just gonna make it harder & harder on urself.. & prices will never drop..

Oh yeah.. u can get frames cheap oversea's But u will get ass fucked when ur hit with Customs fees... in some casses ive seen people end up spending More than rrp, after they get shipping & customs fees...

... call me full of shit if you must...

[E-thugin]

dont hurt each others E-feelings.
50855

P.S. ^ thats not me in the photo

[technoboy]

i mostly agree with jordy...



When you buy stuff OS you are sending AUST dollars overseas taking away from australian economy..
& when so many people keep getting stuff OS its just gonna make it harder & harder on urself.. & prices will never drop..

Oh yeah.. u can get frames cheap oversea's But u will get ass fucked when ur hit with Customs fees... in some casses ive seen people end up spending More than rrp, after they get shipping & customs fees...

... call me full of shit if you must...

yeah unless you know what your doing you get hammered by customs..
There is one way you can import upto 20 frames without paying a cent fortunately i worked it out and i shared my knowlege with Dim because he was the only importer at the time that was interested in helping each other out.
I feel for you guys i really do :(

[E-thugin]

yeah unless you know what your doing you get hammered by customs..
There is one way you can import upto 20 frames without paying a cent fortunately i worked it out and i shared my knowlege with Dim because he was the only importer at the time that was interested in helping each other out.
I feel for you guys i really do :(


i dont need any simpathy thanks,lol, its not hurting me.

& with importing in your situation, its different because u will be bringing money into the country if you are selling them with a marked up price.

[tu plang]

first of all go have a look on the internet on overseas shops and see if you can find any agents cheaper than what you can get them here. I bet you cant find any cheaper.

There is atleast one. ;)

took you long enough to reply... :) xxx
You say that people in the industrie know your right Pfft! tell all your industrie friends to put their traininng wheels back on.
Thats the problem With Industrie people in Australia not many of them can actually ride but because they know somone they get cheap stuff.
so why should i bull shit to people when i'm in the indutrie to help the riders not help the indsutrie kooks that used to over charge me?

When you say overcharge, i take it you mean you were being charged full retail price where you were shopping, as opposed to someone who 'knew someone' and was getting it cheaper/wholesale. I can only assume you charge cost price as a standard on the agent frames then? Why should i pay you more just because i dont know you/someone, eh?

[technoboy]

There is atleast one. ;)



When you say overcharge, i take it you mean you were being charged full retail price where you were shopping, as opposed to someone who 'knew someone' and was getting it cheaper/wholesale. I can only assume you charge cost price as a standard on the agent frames then? Why should i pay you more just because i dont know you/someone, eh?

dude thats my point,
why should you pay more??
Find out how much you can get a frame for and let me know i would be more than happy to beat any prices you may find..
I Promise you wont get one cheaper anywhere!!!
maybe then you will understand were i'm coming from.
regards,
Dale

[tu plang]

dude thats my point,
why should you pay more??
Find out how much you can get a frame for and let me know i would be more than happy to beat any prices you may find..
I Promise you wont get one cheaper anywhere!!!
maybe then you will understand were i'm coming from.
regards,
Dale

you didnt address the question though. do you charge more than your cost on agent bikes? the answer is, 'of course you do' - as a business you run at a profit, which is how everyone else in the industry works. when you start selling your products at cost price, then you have the right to be annoyed with other businesses running at a profit.

[.:Alan:.]

There is atleast one. ;)



When you say overcharge, i take it you mean you were being charged full retail price where you were shopping, as opposed to someone who 'knew someone' and was getting it cheaper/wholesale. I can only assume you charge cost price as a standard on the agent frames then? Why should i pay you more just because i dont know you/someone, eh?

http://www.cycleshop.at/index.php/cPath/22_236

633AUD


http://www.otemuri-bikes.com

633AUD

http://www.2xdbikez-com.nl02.members.pcextreme.nl/pages/f_smith.htm

633AUD

http://www.lauterbach.ch/default.aspx?url=shop&modul=shopmodule&type=brand&id=e18dd389-d6e1-4f18-825d-42d3c1c3f962

584 aud


only one of the sites i looked at sold em for cheaper and its very very unlikely that by the time you got it here it would cost less. and you could probably just be nice and get one for that price from here anyway

Also you can get an S3 from overseas for 440ish incleding postage etc and to get it from here the rrp is 750?, is it worth the extra 300?

who really cares anyway, if you could get someting that much cheaper and your willing to take abit of a risk do it, if not who cares

[technoboy]

http://www.cycleshop.at/index.php/cPath/22_236

633AUD


http://www.otemuri-bikes.com

633AUD

http://www.2xdbikez-com.nl02.members.pcextreme.nl/pages/f_smith.htm

633AUD

http://www.lauterbach.ch/default.aspx?url=shop&modul=shopmodule&type=brand&id=e18dd389-d6e1-4f18-825d-42d3c1c3f962

584 aud


only one of the sites i looked at sold em for cheaper and its very very unlikely that by the time you got it here it would cost less. and you could probably just be nice and get one for that price from here anyway

Also you can get an S3 from overseas for 440ish incleding postage etc and to get it from here the rrp is 750?, is it worth the extra 300?

who really cares anyway, if you could get someting that much cheaper and your willing to take abit of a risk do it, if not who cares

I REST MY CASE Thanks Al!!! ;)

[Jordy]

I REST MY CASE Thanks Al!!! ;)


Your case isnt rested. your an idiot dude. you just dig yourself in more. No matter how much "cheaper you can sell your frames for" you've made your company look like a joke. the whole freaken thing is about YOU slandering another importer. You know. an importer that has to pay reps, secretaries, and the fact that you cant understand. that if your business ever got to a level where you could actually sell frames, and pay for consumables like that to sell more frames. then Your costs would go up aswell. when agent actually picks up overseas there WILL be cheaper places than what you can even buy the fucking things for. Like it or not. and You've just directed people to buy overseas for ECI products. so now, you might aswell be directing them overseas for your frames. You didnt get overcharged. think about it as in Your earning money to stay alive. if you had to have a rep. you'd have to earn enough to keep him alive too, meaning you must either *sell more* which is what hopefully a rep will do. or you will have to earn a bigger markup. then the rep must sell it to a shop. a shop that employs multiple people to sell frames. they must clear enough to pay for the employees aswell. You have no Idea about what goes on at all dude.

try and actually read what this thread is about before you go saying you "rest your case" all you've done is make yourself look arrogant by ignoring what the thread has been saying. BAHAHAHAHA. I just found you edited a post which you had nothign to reply in. my industry folk ? do you even know where I work ? Its a rider owned business dude. my boss has test ridden more bikes than you ever will.

The thread is still alive because all the mods think your a fucking joke, I've gotten PM's telling me to keep it alive just to prove to everyone what a joke your business is. this whole thread you've ignored what im actually saying. you say you can take "slander" yet you send me abusive Pm's ? yea. cool. I dont see why your saying someone will believe you over me. Like it or not. Im right. some little boy thats worked for an importer/distributor for 6 months and still knows more about it all than yourself. someone who "tested" (which is totally relevant and all) the bikes that he imports. into his parents house. and has never payed for actual advertising. only posts how good his bikes are on a public forum. I hope you sit and think for a while. before you reply next. Your replies just dont make any sense. good that everyone will "believe" you. yep yep. Idiot.

[technoboy]

not really dude,
most people will read what you just post and figure out what a tosser you and your mod buddies are. (thats If one of the The mods Actually Pm'ed you)
for one i didn't slander any companies i said "you get treated like a competitor"
which is why the mods told you to keep this dumb thread alive.
So what if havent paid for advertising its not like i Spam shit all over the the place.
I mean who the fuck do you think you are GOD?
Dude your seriously the biggest Wanker that has ever posted on farkin just do a search on you self and see how good you think you are..
when you have read a few of your posts there's like 4350 or something stupid
Like that.
Maybe your boss will realise how much time you actually spend on here Too ;)
If you still feel you da man after reading your posts you have some Serious
"I think i'm ripping" problems....
I Hope you and yor boss can make it to our dirt Jam next weekend 18.11 I'd luv to see you guys ride i'm sure you shred..... :)
p.s dont forget your Lycra

[Jordy]

not really dude,
most people will read what you just post and figure out what a tosser you and your mod buddies are. (thats If one of the The mods Actually Pm'ed you)
for one i didn't slander any companies i said "you get treated like a competitor"
which is why the mods told you to keep this dumb thread alive.
So what if havent paid for advertising its not like i Spam shit all over the the place.
I mean who the fuck do you think you are GOD?
Dude your seriously the biggest Wanker that has ever posted on farkin just do a search on you self and see how good you think you are..
when you have read a few of your posts there's like 4350 or something stupid
Like that.
Maybe your boss will realise how much time you actually spend on here Too ;)
If you still feel you da man after reading your posts you have some Serious
"I think i'm ripping" problems....
I Hope you and yor boss can make it to our dirt Jam next weekend 18.11 I'd luv to see you guys ride i'm sure you shred..... :)
p.s dont forget your Lycra

You slandered a company by telling someone to buy elsewhere.

No. most people will view how illiterate you are. as this entire thread you've missed the point and posted crap. Like. I dont exactly get your reasoning for "why the mods told me to keep this thread alive" on your behalf. Its not for you saying "you get treated like a competitor".

You do spam shit everywhere. I went and viewed some of your posts/threads that you've posted. and a heap were about agent bikes being great. I dont think im god. its the truth. deal with it. I doubt you've even got many customers to lose.

Yea. im a wanker on here, but hey. at least I actually know whats going on. It shows I dont take it seriously at all. its just a fun thing because idiots like you just set yourself up for shutting down, then act like tough guys giving me threats of confrontation bahahahaha. How many of those posts have actually been in the last 6 months ? very little. the vast majority were whilst I could not ride for 6 months. I dont have to read my posts. I know very well that I take the piss out of alot of people on here. and its always with good reason. but ahh yea. once again. you've mis-addressed the actual topic and tried to have a go at me ignoring the actual topic. proving you know you were wrong this whole time.

but ahhh yea. I'd love to see you ride too. a 23 year old stoner that has to import frames to get them cheap. must be good. do you even have a real job ? Want to compare riding ? come race then,oh wait, because I dont get pictures of me posted on farrrrrrrkin.net doing the same trick all the time. I MUSTNT be able to ride haha. ahh yea. lycra. coz I full do cross country and all.. My boss is irrelevant in this. but he is not what you described as. someone that doesnt test stuff he's importing. he can ride.


Face it dude. you've got nothing to come back with. that you havent attempted to say and failed at already.

[olly1oo6]

There's one thing you should know about Dale. He doesnt f**k around with silly answers. Why is it so important to everyone to protect the industry. like it's been said before, competition has a funny way biting overpriced crap in the ass.

Why pay more here? To get good service? To get loyalty or something similar? I work in a bike shop and I still think there are no better words in a marketplace than price. its speaks for itself.

Like Dale already pointed out, its the job of the importer/shop over here to compete overseas. If you find a good deal overseas, talk to the importer here or the shop and see if they can match it. That way everybody wins. If not, then competition wins out and favours the customer

Spamming? please, enough bullshit about this spamming conspiracy. If it wasn't for the trails Dale built, we'd have half the damn sized market for DJ and BMX bikes in Sydney.


I've gotten PM's telling me to keep it alive just to prove to everyone what a joke your business is.

Oh yep, great way to show faith in the industry. So youre telling me farkin supports overpriced bullshit laundering, and not the man who has put in countless hours into his business, his riding and his building?

I seriously hope thats not the case (and for most Mods on here I am quite sure it ISNT), because I do not condone a website that ridicules another business for supporting the simple notion of overseas competition.

[Edit, I think most people DO understand this idea about LBS loyalty, its not as if everyone is rushing to buy bikes overseas. Its simply a division that will most likely occur between expensive imports and local bike shops. The different markets need to be able to settle into their most efficient outcome for the CUSTOMER. LBS's will still have a strong hold on the service niche, the complete bike sales and general accesories. But if you can get a frame overseas for half the price, its simply inefficient for a bike shop or similar to sell it over here.]

[tu plang]

There's one thing you should know about Dale. He doesnt f**k around with silly answers.

while most of your post was understandable - ie by all accounts he does a lot of trail work and puts a lot in to riding in sydney thats fine. However, and with all due respect, in this thread ALL he has done is fuck around with silly answers. Whether its been me, jordy or someone else asking them, he has basically ignored it every time and posted something completely irrelavent and declared victory.

my disbelief (and others too) stems from the fact that he doesnt seem to see that by telling people to buy overseas is just going to come back to bite him, as a small distributor. ECI would be quite a large company, they can take the hit of a few lost sales, but given that you sell, what 10 frames a year? 20? losing a sale accounts for a fair bit of your gross income.

[Jordy]

There's one thing you should know about Dale. He doesnt f**k around with silly answers. Why is it so important to everyone to protect the industry. like it's been said before, competition has a funny way biting overpriced crap in the ass.

Why pay more here? To get good service? To get loyalty or something similar? I work in a bike shop and I still think there are no better words in a marketplace than price. its speaks for itself.

Spamming? please, enough bullshit about this spamming conspiracy. If it wasn't for the trails Dale built, we'd have half the damn sized market for DJ and BMX bikes in Sydney.



Oh yep, great way to show faith in the industry. So youre telling me farkin supports overpriced bullshit laundering, and not the man who has put in countless hours into his business, his riding and his building?

I seriously hope thats not the case (and for most Mods on here I am quite sure it ISNT), because I do not condone a website that ridicules another business for supporting the simple notion of overseas competition.

all Dale has done in this thread is fuck around with silly ignorant answers and act like he has won.

You work in a bike shop. you get paid. from the money "earnt" from selling fucking bikes with a markup. your just as idiotic as Dale if you think a small industry like mountainbiking should be cheaper because overseas is. an industry where an importer must pay freight, box bikes, have warehouses to keep bikes in paid for, this is earnt in the markup they have sell an item to a shop. letalone the store having to get money to pay for people like yourself working there. selling the bicycles. repairing the bikes. and then rent and bills ontop of that. the simple fact is. this will not get cheaper unless the market grows. get some fucking facts before you go calling it "overpriced bullshit laundering" I've worked at a certain shop for a while which everyone knows is simple bullshit with the charges, and giving away of hats at races *cough cough* and I've also worked at 2 relatively small businesses. one of which is owned in a small town. by a married man with 2 kids to support and a mortgage to pay. He struggles to get by on what markup his bikes have. its inevitable. he does not earn any money out of it. its purely for the love of it.

No. the support is for the fact he is an importer, that is supposedly out to make it all cheaper. that isnt bringing anything into the industry by telling someone to buy overseas. simple. blah fucking blah.If not for Red hill, DJ's would've been built elsewhere dude. you cannot bring it down to one person. Dale doesnt live in Newcastle. and we have dirtjumps everywhere.I lived in wollongong and there were dirtjumps everywhere there too. Dale built jumps for himself to ride. nothing more. and on that note. How many other bmxers would he have told to shop overseas when he saw them at his dirtjumps ?

You say its all about price. you and dale are missing the point all together. buy overseas, and it wont get any cheaper here. simple. dont tell me your excuses about "over priced bullshit laundering" If thats so, why arent bike shop owners living in big houses with swimming pools and no mortgage to pay ? yep. over priced bullshit launderers right here. Just because some shop in sydney that sells 10 $400 bikes a day is well off. doesnt mean a high end bike shop is in the same boat.

[Daver]

Wow Dale, you sure know how to dig yourself a grave. Apparently you're an importer, and you seem to not want to work with the bike industry. Telling people to go and buy something from overseas (for cheaper) might be a good thing to say if you're not trying to work with the other guys out here, but to be involved as a distributor here is just shooting yourself in the foot. Every other distributor involved will have been made aware of this thread, and i can already tell you that you're regarded as a joke.

To give shit to Jordy's boss (which, if you actually know who he is, is the most stupid move you could do) is not going to make your point. ECI support everyone who races by simply turning up and showing there wares and answering questions, and all you can do is spam up the forums about how great your frames are (which pisses off the paying advertisers).

At the end of the day, all it says is that you're doing a half arsed job at importing and marketing- you've dug a pretty big grave here. Jordy, Tu Plang and others have been on the money since day one

/Edit: Actually, i believe you said that the Agent!Bikes Smith frame retails for $650 AUD? I just found a shop in the UK with them for $530 AUD, and free postage if i buy another $400 AUD. Thats cheaper than what you're offering...

[slo]

Actually, i believe you said that the Agent!Bikes Smith frame retails for $650 AUD? I just found a shop in the UK with them for $530 AUD, and free postage if i buy another $400 AUD. Thats cheaper than what you're offering...

show us a link to this site, im keen for a new frame. why buy thru australia (ie LBS->meaning LBS wont buy from distributor, if LBS cant sell them) when i can get it cheaper buying overseas :o


(surely thats understandable enough...)

[Daver]

show us a link to this site, im keen for a new frame. why buy thru australia (ie LBS->meaning LBS wont buy from distributor, if LBS cant sell them) when i can get it cheaper buying overseas :o


(surely thats understandable enough...)


No worries. www.chainreactioncycles.com.

[technoboy]

No worries. www.chainreactioncycles.com.

dude your a tool.
Recon i could match that too. ;)
As i said If you think you can get one cheaper let me know,
At least i'm willing to try and match OS prices which is more than most will do.

[.:Alan:.]

No worries. www.chainreactioncycles.com.

What? show me where it sells them for 530 AUD

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=16341

254GBP converts to 633AUD

[tu plang]

What? show me where it sells them for 530 AUD

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=16341

254GBP converts to 633AUD

set your currency to AUD, it will subtract 17% VAT too ;)

[.:Alan:.]

yeh set on AUD and checked on xe.com too, whats VAT too?

[Binaural]

yeh set on AUD and checked on xe.com too, whats VAT too?

Value Added Tax --> equivalent to GST. It is subtracted because the goods are for export, for which other taxes such as duty apply.

[.:Alan:.]

Ah, but why does the VAT get subtracted?

[slo]

No worries. www.chainreactioncycles.com. (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com.)

dude your a tool.


why is he a tool mate? he's just being helpfull like you were...
see quote below

dude get it from danscomp or albes dont buy it in aus..

[technoboy]

why is he a tool mate? he's just being helpfull like you were...
see quote below

Did i say dont buy it from ECI Did I???

[tu plang]

Ah, but why does the VAT get subtracted?

because as far as i can tell we dont live in GB. think of it as duty free shopping.

[Daver]

Did i say dont buy it from ECI Did I???


dude get it from danscomp or albes dont buy it in aus..

Quit while you're this far behind, we'll be lapping you soon.

[tu plang]

Did i say dont buy it from ECI Did I???

You said "dont buy it from aus" its been quoted enough times for that to be unquestionable. Now the direct implication of this is not buying it from ECI.

Similarly Daver did not explicitly say not to buy the Agent! from you, he merely said to get it from CRC.

[Jordy]

You still dont understand. even if you can "match" a price, which is gunna bring it down so you make fuck all. if you include postage. are you willing to discount it to everyone looking into agent ? You dont think if they asked Chain reaction for it a bit cheaper to beat another place's price that chain reaction wouldnt do it to win a customer ? they are a shop that would have a huge warehouse storing all the stock. if they bought 100 (at least) agent frames per 6 months it will be alot cheaper for their cost than you buying 20 for a years worth... so they have alot more room to move than you. how the fuck can you not understand that ? stop ignoring the point. You. as an importer, are walking yourself down the plank by telling people to shop overseas. go on. give me more reasons to make you look stupid.

[tu plang]

tuplang your post was as shit as mine.

why? because you had to think twice about a reply? however many times, you should have kept thinking.

it was a decent argument (argument bordering on shit-fit, yes) until you graced it with your presence.

[slo]

Did i say dont buy it from ECI Did I???
:rolleyes:


im not here to make enemys mate, just seeing if you realise the reprocussions (to you as an importer) from what youve suggested by purchasing overseas.

[johnny]

Ok, we're going to wrap this up pretty soon. Each person, as in Technoboy, Jordy, Tu Plang, Olly, Allan, Daver, Slo, et al all get one closing remark each. Challenge yourselves and see if you can keep name calling to a minimum. Make your point as strong as you can, use quotes and any other info you can find. You've got one post left to claim victory in the battles that make up Farkin's never ending war of the Off Shore bargain Vs. Local Supplier support!

Carry on.

[olly1oo6]

Let us introduce the man we have all forgotten about, into the courtroom. May I present Mr. J Hucker, aged 15. He has spent the last year working hard at the Bakery, in a desperate attempt to purchase his own piece of German exclusivity: an Agent!Bikes Mr Flow.

There are two sides to this simple purchasing issue. He can either purchase this frame from overseas, at a cost of $450 AUD, plus a postage charge of around $30.

OR, he can purchase the frame from Dale (technoboy) who is offering a negotiable price of $650 AUD. Ironically, Dale, upon talking to Hucker's best mate, reccomended the idea of buying from overseas. His mate was interested in a Fit Flow, and Dale found his mate a good deal overseas, which he pursued, and purchased to much satisfaction.

Now, Hucker's best mate has told him of Dales reccomendation, and this is where he found the agent for $450.

Dale is in a bit of a pickle, because he is potentially losing business because of his honest opinion that he gave to hucker's mate about a BMX bike.

This is the hypothetical situation. So what is the theoretical solution?

1. Hucker buys frame from overseas, saves $200, which he uses to buy his girlfriend an expensive bracelet. Dale does not sell frame.

2. Hucker's dad says, hey son, I don't trust you giving credit card details overseas, what about the risks of an import tax? Dad agrees to pay the extra 200 to buy it from Dale, for peace of mind. Dale sells frame, industry is not affected.

3. Hucker buys frame from Dale because he is trustworthy and honest, and not to mention, gives him a sweet deal making up for almost half the costs of buying it locally. as a bonus, Hucker gets to ride the Bandits trails, gets to know Dale, and knows who to talk to about warranty. That and he gets it 3 weeks sooner than if he bought it overseas.

My simple point in this demonstration is, how does Dale speaking of buying a fit frame from overseas affect the local market, and price?

There will always be demand for locally imported frames; put simply, it is a solid market. Not everyone is willing to buy from overseas. BUT, if they decide to do so, it is simply the outcome of balancing the marketplace. an importer is the "middle man" if you can cut his expenses out, it makes for a more efficient transfer of goods and profit. the reason he still exists is because there is a market for him. Technoboy having an opinion of buying a fit frame overseas is simply placing him in the overseas market. If people dont like the idea of "not supporting the local importers/lbs" then they should realise that there is no simple solution.

All Dale has done here is give advice, not even to do with his own frames. Its great that Jordy is thinking about the industry, but thats all he can do about it: think. The only change in an industry occurs when a local Australian decides to Make frames in AUSTRALIA, or a large business begins importing all sorts of frames into Australia. (i.e. Torpedo7 for NZ). If that is not the case, then price and demand sets the market trend.

Who cares if hes "slandering the industry" he is simply acting as an inevitable catalyst for a change that cannot be stopped by words. My advice, Dont open an lbs, dont import bikes, find a niche if thats what you want, but most importers are in it for the love; Its obvious that soaring profits cannot necessarily be reached by importing frames, its a different industry. Stop trying to make it out as if the solution to our aussie market is in not offering honest, opinionated advice; because thats the first step toward failure.

There is a very simple solution to this marketplace. If you have half a brain I am sure you would all be quite capabe of working it out anyway (and I am confident many of you already have);)

[tu plang]

Let us introduce the man we have all forgotten about, into the courtroom. May I present Mr. J Hucker, aged 15. He has spent the last year working hard at the Bakery, in a desperate attempt to purchase his own piece of German exclusivity: an Agent!Bikes Mr Flow.

There are two sides to this simple purchasing issue. He can either purchase this frame from overseas, at a cost of $450 AUD, plus a postage charge of around $30.

OR, he can purchase the frame from Dale (technoboy) who is offering a negotiable price of $650 AUD. Ironically, Dale, upon talking to Hucker's best mate, reccomended the idea of buying from overseas. His mate was interested in a Fit Flow, and Dale found his mate a good deal overseas, which he pursued, and purchased to much satisfaction.

Now, Hucker's best mate has told him of Dales reccomendation, and this is where he found the agent for $450.

Dale is in a bit of a pickle, because he is potentially losing business because of his honest opinion that he gave to hucker's mate about a BMX bike.

This is the hypothetical situation. So what is the theoretical solution?

1. Hucker buys frame from overseas, saves $200, which he uses to buy his girlfriend an expensive bracelet. Dale does not sell frame.

2. Hucker's dad says, hey son, I don't trust you giving credit card details overseas, what about the risks of an import tax? Dad agrees to pay the extra 200 to buy it from Dale, for peace of mind. Dale sells frame, industry is not affected.

3. Hucker buys frame from Dale because he is trustworthy and honest, and not to mention, gives him a sweet deal making up for almost half the costs of buying it locally. as a bonus, Hucker gets to ride the Bandits trails, gets to know Dale, and knows who to talk to about warranty. That and he gets it 3 weeks sooner than if he bought it overseas.

My simple point in this demonstration is, how does Dale speaking of buying a fit frame from overseas affect the local market, and price?

There will always be demand for locally imported frames; put simply, it is a solid market. Not everyone is willing to buy from overseas. BUT, if they decide to do so, it is simply the outcome of balancing the marketplace. an importer is the "middle man" if you can cut his expenses out, it makes for a more efficient transfer of goods and profit. the reason he still exists is because there is a market for him. Technoboy having an opinion of buying a fit frame overseas is simply placing him in the overseas market. If people dont like the idea of "not supporting the local importers/lbs" then they should realise that there is no simple solution.

All Dale has done here is give advice, not even to do with his own frames. Its great that Jordy is thinking about the industry, but thats all he can do about it: think. The only change in an industry occurs when a local Australian decides to Make frames in AUSTRALIA, or a large business begins importing all sorts of frames into Australia. (i.e. Torpedo7 for NZ). If that is not the case, then price and demand sets the market trend. You can bitch all you want about dale "hurting the industry", He hasn't made a dent and he knows it. Jordys magical words will hardly bring the price level to its knees.

wow.... i guess i might be wasting my one post.... but what the hell was that? a simple point? that whole scenario relies on your own narative of events... hardly a decent arguement.... im not even sure what else to say.

wow you proved that technoboy didn't lose a sale in ONE particular instance and therefore has lost none. just because you can prove something once doesnt mean it can't be disproven 100 other times.

anyone who can make a distinction between us telling someone to buy an agent! frame overseas and dale telling someone to buy fit overseas clearly has a conflict of interest and should keep out of the discussion.

[olly1oo6]

You had your one reply, time to keep it to yourself now.

[slo]

argument no. 1
1-> buying overseas means that australian distributors loose out on a sale.
2-> the australian distributors loosing out on a sale means that they are going to purchase less of the product, simply cause they cant sell it.
3-> distributors buying less of the product means they have less buying power because they will have less leverage against the companys there dealing with. ie no 'bulk buy' savings for distributors.
4-> distributors buying at a higher price, mean they sell to shops at a higher price.
5-> shops buying at a higher price, means that the shop must make there 'mark up' accordingly. this means you the customer pay more for the product in the end.

summarise-> buy buying overseas you are effectively causing prices here to stay the same, or even rise. your screwing yourself out of potential savings in the long term. if you want prices in australia to fall, you need to support australian companys.

argument no. 2
warranty, its there for a reason... product is mass produced, and theres a chance that something may go wrong during its production. it may only be a small chance, but if your unlucky enough to get that faulty product from an overseas purchase that doesnt offer any form of warranty, you have just thrown your hard earnt money away.
as opposed to purchasing from an australian bike shop. if it is obviosly a manufacturing defect, it will be replaced with a equivilant or sometimes better product depending on the wholesaler/rep asap.
i have also seen select examples of non manufacturing issues being taken care of at only wholesale+labour charges to maintain a companys good name->look after them, they'll look after you.

argument no. 3
loyalty. building up a good relationship with you local bike shop is an easy way to get savings. once they know that you are only going spend your dollars with them, they are more than happy to help you save a few dollars along the way.
not to mention by building up a relationship with them, it increases your chances of getting sponsorship if you are worthy enough. distributors also have been known to offer savings on wholesale prices to sponsored riders.

argument no. 4
vote slo to win this battle. he has a short attention span, and within that spans time constraints, he managed to write this very informative post; whilst freeing the world from war and cancer. but not aids, wear protection kids! and dont touch monkeys, if they bite you, you'll get aids....

ps, vote for me and your LBS will sponsor you. i promise

[Jordy]

Dales abusive Pm's got him no where, still gunna "confront" me dale ?

Like it or not. as Agent gets bigger. overseas prices will drop alot more. Even if dale can negotiate a price. eventually an overseas shop is going to be able to sell it for below what dale can purchase it for at this rate. If torpedo 7 can get sram gear AND sell it with a markup for cheaper than the largest importer in Australia that stocks HUGE amounts of sram. then why cant another online shop ? Hence why. its stupid, for someone in the industry. that it will inevitably (spelling?) happen to, to encourage overseas buying. simple Dale. its what I said in the first place.

It is also stupid to slander my boss, a magazine editor, film maker, bike shop owner and importer. done

[technoboy]

Dales abusive Pm's got him no where, still gunna "confront" me dale ?

Like it or not. as Agent gets bigger. overseas prices will drop alot more. Even if dale can negotiate a price. eventually an overseas shop is going to be able to sell it for below what dale can purchase it for at this rate. If torpedo 7 can get sram gear AND sell it with a markup for cheaper than the largest importer in Australia that stocks HUGE amounts of sram. then why cant another online shop ? Hence why. its stupid, for someone in the industry. that it will inevitably (spelling?) happen to, to encourage overseas buying. simple Dale. its what I said in the first place.

It is also stupid to slander my boss, a magazine editor, film maker, bike shop owner and importer. done
dude i agreed on the 2nd page but you had to keep pushing the point
and then you acuse me of slandering your boss.
I didnt slander anyone for starters My Apologies to anyone who was offended.
On the other hand I'm doing the importing thing by my self as a second job so when people slander what i'm trying to acheive it really gets me down.

I dont even ride MTB anymore so why would i bother doing it for the product?
do a search on Agent bikes and have a look at the number of peolpe who have something negative to say.
It hurts especially when i try to do the right thing by everyone not saying that i have done all the right things but seriously Give me a break.
we can only learn from our mistakes.
hopefully one day when i can afford to push the brand a little harder i will but untill then why make it hard for a awesome brand???
I understand the whole support Australian market but at the same time there will always be a market for Os sales unfortunately there is not much we can do.
On anouther note one day i will support the industrie apparently its a two way street,
So far for me its been one way with no help from anyone.
Regards,
Dale

[johnny]

While we're on a particularly civil note, I think we should end it here.

Thank you all for turning up to this event, surely it will go down as one of the more epic battles in the O/S V. LBS War and I hope it entertained our crowd and supporters.

Tickets for the upcomming bout between the distributers and the shop owners will be available next week, be sure to get in early for no doubt they'll sell quick. Thank you once again to our competitors and thanks to you for coming to watch. Don't forget to grab a commemorative T-shirt on your way out, the ladies are selling them at the door for only $25 for one or two for $40.

thank you ladies and gentlemen, drive safely.