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I can do all the big jumps-gaps on the dh tracks on my dh rig
but cant do dirt jumps on a dirt jump bike for dick!
any tips cuz i hate being shit at stuff
kalem
02-06-2003, 09:55 AM
practice, then practice more. You have to figure it out yourself man! That's the fun of it!
just time on the bike will make you better, falling off also teachs you alot.
Gutty
02-06-2003, 12:37 PM
falling off also teachs you alot.
SSSSHHHHHH, stop giving away all my secret tips Ty. :wink:
peachy
02-06-2003, 10:40 PM
i always see this dirt jumps and i say "yeh i could do that" but when i get on the bike my whole perspective of the jump changes. What are the tips, what skills should i master before attempting any sort of jump?
kalem
03-06-2003, 08:54 AM
i always see this dirt jumps and i say "yeh i could do that" but when i get on the bike my whole perspective of the jump changes. What are the tips, what skills should i master before attempting any sort of jump?
learn to crash, i use one of three methods when casing is imminent:
1- whip the bike out hard so that the back wheel doesn't catch on the backside of the landing, then and slide down and try again.
2- just hold on and land, sometimes a full 50-50 on the top of the landing, you must use your legs to absorb all the impact or, you'll get bucked and DIE, this method can be known to snap headubes/forks, and damage rear wheels, also puts your cranks to the test....
3- bail from bike, either let the bike shoot out infront of you or jump over the handlebars. The jump over bars method is preferred but more difficult... With the shoot out method your bike can suffer a bit of a beating, at the very least your bars will spin and your cables may get yanked into destruction. See this video of me doing the deed, my right hand brake levers barrel adjuster is stripped due to this bail...
right click save target as 1mb (http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/rctb/bail.mov)
..warning.. bailing can become a habit, don't be a pussy just launch it!
perfor8r
03-06-2003, 09:09 AM
good advice, knowing how to crash could save you a few broken bones and prevent time off the bike.
what gets me are the little kickers. The sorta knee high jumps. Jumps that are over a bike length I seem to be able to hit confidently, but the smaller ones, it seem to be that I'm fighting the bike!
andrew
07-06-2003, 09:45 PM
practice
best advice ever!
wonderllama
11-06-2003, 10:52 AM
balls thats all u need.... i cant trick for crap but i can do big enough dirt jumps .....
well i guess first of all you gotta make sure you have enough speed to make jump if you havent got that your screwed from the start
if pulling up is your problem only thing i can suggest is go do a table top
and then trying doing at aslower speed but pulling up more on your handle bars and seeing how slow you can go before you case
fastrider gus
11-06-2003, 05:38 PM
start off small... dont go past you limits too quick or it will end in unnessecary pain... progress slowly.
fastrider_ben
11-06-2003, 07:43 PM
its a big shock going from dually to hardtail, yeah start small because it hurts to case on a hardtail.
jakestein
05-07-2003, 11:30 PM
speed checks behind ppl is the way i learn at a new place
that's a very good tip by jakestein :)
I find that if i do something in the air it is easier to keep balance, whether this be a litlle turn up the bars or a little whip...
hardtail free rider
06-07-2003, 11:22 AM
my advise.........if you wont advise from a guy who can bearly jump:Slol start off small lik they said but also start on a jump that your familar with and arnt scared to do with a dj bike then make it bigger as you get better.......thats what i do anyway
crazy goose
04-08-2003, 10:28 AM
Pulling up over a jump is a good way to upset your balance in the air and crashing. You should get your lift from compressing into the ground as you go up the take off. Newtons Law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore the more force you put into the take off the higher you go. However your timing has to be spot on otherwise you will crash anyway. Practicing spines at scate parks is a good way to dial your technique. And land front wheel first, unless its a flat landing.
fastrider gus
04-08-2003, 10:33 AM
uh oh... dont start saying shit about "newtons law" or whatever.. socket will have a go at you... lol
Ride_Guy
04-08-2003, 04:20 PM
Well, i have really started gettin into Dj of late, waht i used to psych myslef into it, is think of it as a table top would u try it then?
I find tht this method seems to work for me, just picture the jump as a table top imagine, what it would be like, its just like what Grant Allen has said in his last article in AMB, you have to be mentally ready aswell, dont get me wrong skill does help but alot of dirt jumping is confidence.
shmity
04-08-2003, 08:37 PM
Yeah, err, the equal and opposite reaction you get from pushing down on the bike is the ground pushing back up , it doesn't give you any mythical spring effect.
/ninja
n2o spark
11-08-2003, 01:30 PM
hey
i don't really ride to any specific class. i do a bit of everything on my hardtail. here in devonport (tassie) there arn't any specific DJ sites but near our local pool there is a triple set. i can easily make the first two but you have to ride really fast just to make the first one. well anyway i havn't tried the third one yet. it's about a 50cm ramp with about a 2.5m-3m gap and a really steep lip to the ramp. i find jumping a bit unsettelling but real nice. i think i'm gonna have to try all three soon. but it does look nasty.
scotty beefs
11-08-2003, 02:29 PM
When i enetered the world of DJ'ing briefly I found myself, whether this is because I was just used to riding trails and dh's and it was how i was comfortable or what but i found myself coming into a jump with one or two fingers on each brake lever...when i MADE myself just hold on, no fingers on brake levers I found i was a lot more balanced in the air - way less sketchy.
Also he who hesitates is lost (just to quote the cc ad), if you think you are going to have to bail then you probably will, just be confident.
peachy
11-08-2003, 03:10 PM
Also he who hesitates is lost (just to quote the cc ad), if you think you are going to have to bail then you probably will, just be confident.
yeah i agree with you. when dirt jumping ( i just started so i don't know that much ) i realized that u really gotta be confident, and if u think u'll bail u'll bail and crash BREAK A NECK AND DIE !!!
jayboy882003
11-08-2003, 07:49 PM
u learn from stacks like u learn from mistakes!!
Mahoney_007
12-08-2003, 07:23 PM
good to know im not the only one struggling out there on the DJ's. Damn gaps, why do they make me shit my pants? Tabletops are fine, but doubles....all i can see is the fat arse 2nd mound staring at me saying, "endo into me you mother fucker"....
I cant not have my index fingers on my levers, even if im bunny hoping or poppin a wheelie ill still hang on with 3 fingers and a thumb?
peters
12-08-2003, 08:46 PM
learn to race jump dj's, as soon as you can race jump, its so much easier to try bigger jumps because you know you are allways gonna make it because all you are getting is distance. Once you can get this you have a feeling for all jumps, and you know how much speed you have to take in and it allows you to just go massive and pull of as many big tricks as possible!!! THis takes practice!!!! as most things do.....
Pulling up over a jump is a good way to upset your balance in the air and crashing. You should get your lift from compressing into the ground as you go up the take off. Newtons Law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore the more force you put into the take off the higher you go. However your timing has to be spot on otherwise you will crash anyway. Practicing spines at scate parks is a good way to dial your technique. And land front wheel first, unless its a flat landing.
Yeah, problem is, if the takeoff is more than 45* from horizontal, you're gonna put more energy into going backwards than upwards...
jayboy882003
13-08-2003, 06:46 PM
just go for it i guess
rubba-chikin
14-08-2003, 12:53 PM
its a big shock going from dually to hardtail, yeah start small because it hurts to case on a hardtail.
You think thats bad? Try a fully rigid BMX :)
My finger joints still hurt from holding on for the 6 hour DJ session yesterday! You feel every bump :P
green_chairs
14-08-2003, 01:16 PM
Damn gaps, why do they make me shit my pants? Tabletops are fine, but doubles....all i can see is the fat arse 2nd mound staring at me saying, "endo into me you mother fucker"....
Amen Brother. That must be the problem that 99% of us have with gaps. Always that second mound seems to be the problem. Probably the cause of most DJ injuries as well.
toodles
14-08-2003, 01:39 PM
Damn gaps, why do they make me shit my pants? Tabletops are fine, but doubles....all i can see is the fat arse 2nd mound staring at me saying, "endo into me you mother fucker"....
Amen Brother. That must be the problem that 99% of us have with gaps. Always that second mound seems to be the problem. Probably the cause of most DJ injuries as well.
I get freaked when theres a gap. Fill it with dirt and I'll not only make the landing but usually clear it by a fair bit. But when it's a double... Always boof into the upside of the landing. I think I end up looking at it and the ike follows or somethig but yeah, I just suck at them. And those little jumps, like two foot where it feels like your wheels aren't hitting it at the same time screw me up too. I'm fine with big jumps where both your wheels are on it together but little kickers and I'm stuffed. No rhythm probably.
scotty beefs
14-08-2003, 02:15 PM
i think it is a lot to do with looking where you want to go, not where you don't want to go. AMB had a little thing in a phat snaps bit on the last page like ages ago of two pics at this little rock drop on a DH course - one was nathan rennie not even looking at the rock filled bottom of drop but at what i guess was the next corner, the next pic showed a bloke looking straight down at the bottom of the little drop/rollover thing...he crashed. It is true as well, when i'm on a track anything you look at and think shitebags i don't want to hit that or crivens i don't want to go into that killer rut, the thing has some sort of weird magnetic suction force and blam!
I can only guess it works the same for DJ's, look half way down the landing ramp not at the top/backside of it...
another option i spose if you are keen enough is a piece of thin ply just between the two lips of the jumps, give the visual effect of a table top without all the bloody shovelling of the dirt. Keep in mid you'll still crash tho...
toodles
14-08-2003, 03:04 PM
another option i spose if you are keen enough is a piece of thin ply just between the two lips of the jumps, give the visual effect of a table top without all the bloody shovelling of the dirt. Keep in mid you'll still crash tho...
That could work but I hate pulling splinters out of my eyes...
scotty beefs
14-08-2003, 03:15 PM
another option i spose if you are keen enough is a piece of thin ply just between the two lips of the jumps, give the visual effect of a table top without all the bloody shovelling of the dirt. Keep in mid you'll still crash tho...
That could work but I hate pulling splinters out of my eyes...
if your face is hitting the piece of ply between the jump and landing ramp then i would have to say that gap visualisation is fairly low down the order in the list of your dirt jumping problems... :wink:
scotty beefs
14-08-2003, 03:16 PM
toodles, i see you live out at logan...have you been to the paradise road jumps? What are they like?
if you don't know someone who digs at paradise road don't go there thinking you'll get a warm welcome, even more so if you show up on a mtb.
if you don't know someone who digs at paradise road don't go there thinking you'll get a warm welcome, even more so if you show up on a mtb.
I was talking to a moto rider tonight at work about Paradise Road Jumps.
He claims they ar emostly moto jumps anyway.
A few probably clearable on BMX.
He suggested I go there and take a look.
And build some BMX sized jumps nearby (but out of the way) of the Paradise Road ones.
He said shouldnt be a problem with the motos tearing them down provided they aren't in the way (and steep enough so they dont attempt them).
Also mentioned shouldn't have a problem going there as long as you dont get in anybodies way.
Though a few assholes might try to scare you away with their bikes.
I'm gonna go check it out, build some jumps a few meters into the bushland if it all checks out ok.
Dude, if anyone on any moto could ride the BMX jumps at Paradise Road I would be floored by their skill. Granted there are some moto jumps out that way, but the main BMX trails are pretty exclusively built for BMX's...if you've ever seen a UK or US vid with real BMX 'trails' then Para is the closest you'll come to finding it in Brisbane. Oh yes, they're built for BMX's and oh yes, I wish I was good enough to ride there.
And seriously if you don't know someone who rides or digs there don't expect a warm welcome...
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