Pigyles?

[Richo 18]

So, I've seen the uppers and lowers swapped between pikes and argyles.

Is it possible to swap the internals between the two though?

IE, keep the uppers and lowers for argyles but having pike internals ( including the U-turn)

The reason I ask is because when I get argyles, I have a feeling they're going to feel like rigids to me. And I want to be able to do some light Downhill as well on the same bike.

I weigh 45 Kilos, and argyles aren't exactly DH forgiving.

On the other hand, my mate owns pikes, but he thinks they're too soft, but doesn't really want to have to splash out on new argyle/gold labels.
He never uses the travel adjust, because He has a DJ/Street bike and a Downhill bike.

And I'm keen on keeping the strong steerer/crown assembly on argyles, if you were going to suggest just changing uppers.

[ohnoitsthepopo]

FUCK! don't try and be cool like the pro's just buy pikes and buy some argyle sitckers and chuck them on :rolleyes:

[Richo 18]

The BIKE I am buying comes with argyles.
Sorry about the confusion.

[jirtdumpdan]

dude have you ever actually ridden a pari of argyle 302's?

i honestly would take them downhilling, i have them with the hardest spring and they are raised to make the even harder and i would still ride dh on them


they are shit as shit can get. if you do get argyles, get 318's, or 409's never 302's because they dont come with the lock out adjust thingo

[Richo 18]

Yeah, It comes with 318's, (take a guess).
I'd be buying the 07 model if there were any in Brisbane, but guess why there aren't? :rolleyes:

I'm keen on the travel adjust.

Oh, and he's keen on lowering the forks anyway. Not exactly worth doing to pike internals aye?
Too much goodness in there.

[ohnoitsthepopo]

If you want to use a bike for dh buy a dh bike...If your going to be hitting anything at speed argyles are gonna fling you around like a rag doll

[Richo 18]

By downhill, I don't mean fucking racing and shit.

I'm a recreational rider.

It's more like steep trails.

Think Mt Tambourine, at slow speed.

[ohnoitsthepopo]

then you want a plush fork like pikes?....IMO putting argyle lowers on pike uppers only creates the littlest bit more strength which pikes are pretty strong anyway

dude, ride you bike and have fun doing it isn't that what is all about anyway. Your not jordie lunn or jamie goldman..:rolleyes:

[Richo 18]

Dude, stop trying to make me out to be the guy who's like

"oh if I makezzz da lotzz of cool modz, like I'll be the prozzzz!!!"

I'm just interested in making my bike more versatile, and getting what I, and my mate would both like the most.

The fact is, I would like to go to the downhill (arguably) track with my riding mates, not be limited to skate parks, dirt jumps and staircases.

I want to hit trails too.

Stop being judgmental!

then you want a plush fork like pikes?....IMO putting argyle lowers on pike uppers only creates the littlest bit more strength which pikes are pretty strong anyway


Oh, and for the record, I'm 99% sure the difference between pike and argyle lowers is the paintjob.
They're both magnesium.

What I'd like out of this, is the strength of the Argyle Steerer/Crown/Stanchion with the versatility and adjustability of Pike internals.

The lowers don't matter anyway, but I'll be keeping to my paint scheme and so will he, so he'd (my mate)like his pike lowers and I'd like my argyle lowers .

Oh, and if you'd actually bothered to read my posts, you would've figured that out long ago, dipshit.

[ohnoitsthepopo]

Why you only weigh 45 Kilos why does that amount of strength worry you?. Ive heard stories of 110kgs guys disastering pikes and not breaking. Apparently kids break argyles as much as they flat tyres.

I think its a stupid idea because your gonna spend more time and money messing about with mechanics and shit then if you just got pikes straight up.

[Richo 18]

Ok.

Are you ignorant at a retarded level or something?

I'm not BUYING FORKS.

I'm buying a Bike.
It has two wheels, they go round and round.
Have you heard of one?
It consists of more than two fork legs and some accessories on top.

I might not even need a mechanic, but the boys at FTR are champions anyway.
Have you heard of them too?
They don't charge in excess of $700 to service forks, douchebag.



In terms of strength, whoever said
body mass = ability to unintentionally torture riding equipment?
Is about on par with you.

I go for it. I case, I nose case, I like the reassurance of knowing that I won't have to pay cash for new ones if I accidently don't make the next jump perfectly!

[NH_]

dont bother swapping internals and stuff just trade forks

[ohnoitsthepopo]

Ok.

Are you ignorant at a retarded level or something?


A little from column A and a little from column B

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[Richo 18]

HOLY McSHIT!!!!!

Another one?
My god, where are the likes of leitch, tristan, tu plang, wombat, countless other helpful people at 9:50?

Actually, probably at Schoolie parties and shit like that.

Damn you leitch, you ladies man.

[ohnoitsthepopo]

Leicth is a sell out anyway he would say "fuck everything I love boys lets all buy bmx's "

[Ozza]

Argyle lowers have some magnesium shit in there arch so its less likey to bend/break whatever the hacks out there in society do to them. I forgot to add that the crown on the argyles is different, the pike crowns never had any issues anyway!

If your nothing going to be spinning and putting all sorts of pressure on your lowers than just sell of the argyles of swap them for pikes, otherwise its going to be alot of fucking around!

[Richo 18]

A more constructive post, but again I couldn't really give a shit about the lowers. It doesn't really matter.

[Ozza]

A more constructive post, but again I couldn't really give a shit about the lowers. It doesn't really matter.

Exactly.......... So find somebody who will swap you some pikes for your forks or sell the bastards and get some newys!

Read my post i edited it about the uppers.

[Richo 18]

Leicth is a sell out anyway he would say "fuck everything I love boys lets all buy bmx's "

How nice you are, Kenneth.

[Richo 18]

Exactly.......... So find somebody who will swap you some pikes for your forks or sell the bastards and get some newys!

Hey, I'm just asking. Haven't even got the goddamned bike yet.
I'm keen on the upper assembly, that's the main reason for all this.

[Dug]

Your not jordie lunn or jamie goldman..:rolleyes:

Who in the Sam Hill are they?:rolleyes:

[Ozza]

Hey, I'm just asking. Haven't even got the goddamned bike yet.
I'm keen on the upper assembly, that's the main reason for all this.

Im just getting the message across!
Since when have pikes had upper problems! They have chromoly steerers in there lower models which is also what the argyles come with. The crowns on pikes arent going to be much weaker than the argyles and they never had any issues in the first place.

I have ridden and experienced both forks, im not talking shit.

[Jack_toda_Max]

Richo I've read it all and I reckon you should trade forks with your friend. You will get the pikes which is what you want and he will get the argyles which is what he wants.:)
If you are worried about the pikes breaking then just talk to your mate about a semi-warranty thing.;)

[Richo 18]

Pikes have had untrustable uppers since my maters steerer tube got pulled upwards from his crown about 7mm.

[Jack_toda_Max]

How did your mate do that?
Did he nose case the tripple at Wynnum BMX or something?

[Richo 18]

Holy shit, who are you?

A stalker?

Mods! Mods! Shit help!

[kjf]

Maybe you should test out the argyles first.
Then compare how they feel to your mates fork.
Then, either swap, or keep your fork.
Much easier, don't you think?

[Richo 18]

Sort of. But, in having 100mm Rockshox currently ( of questionable quality)
I like the travel adjust.

As you can see, my stalker is keen too on the dealio, and he's offering a pretty nice deal for it at the moment.

[ohnoitsthepopo]

YOU FUCKING GAY PIECE OF SHIT! LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING YOUR IDEA IS RETARDED ITS NOT GOING TO WORK....GET PIKES THERE STRONGER..AND GROW THE FUCK UP CUNT FUCKEN CUMFACED 12 STP RIDING SQUID BAG....LETS RIDE BIKES YER!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Banned

PS: Ryan is a GAY FUCKEN FAGGOT! , Johnny is a fucken mad cunt

[AngoXC]

YOU FUCKING GAY PIECE OF SHIT! LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING YOUR IDEA IS RETARDED ITS NOT GOING TO WORK....GET PIKES THERE STRONGER..AND GROW THE FUCK UP CUNT FUCKEN CUMFACED 12 STP RIDING SQUID BAG....LETS RIDE BIKES YER!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Banned

PS: Ryan is a GAY FUCKEN FAGGOT! , Johnny is a fucken mad cunt

Bah. See ya man.

[ohnoitsthepopo]

You should know being around that much orange all day fucks with your head :eek:

[J-ack]

Haha, bye bye Kenneth.

[Jack_toda_Max]

YOU FUCKING GAY PIECE OF SHIT! LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING YOUR IDEA IS RETARDED ITS NOT GOING TO WORK....GET PIKES THERE STRONGER..AND GROW THE FUCK UP CUNT FUCKEN CUMFACED 12 STP RIDING SQUID BAG....LETS RIDE BIKES YER!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Banned

PS: Ryan is a GAY FUCKEN FAGGOT! , Johnny is a fucken mad cunt

HE IS BUYING A BIKE! IT COMES WITH ARGYLES! HES NOT GONNA SELL THEM AND BUY PIKES COZ ITS TOO HARD BUT HE MIGHT TRADE THEM WITH HIS FRIEND AND GET PIKES!

It was just an idea and no one said he was gonna do it. He has listened to what everyone is saying and he isn't going to swap internals anymore.

And btw,
Would new 08 318 Argyles be a fair trade for used 07 Pikes with a slightly pulled out steerer? The Pikes are fine and have been ridden for a year with the steerer pull out.

[Ham]

Who in the Sam Hill are they?:rolleyes:

aren't they the dudes on Friday night games?

[kx250f]

can't you just swap your friend if you both want each others forks?:cool:

[Zyphryss]

can't you just swap your friend if you both want each others forks?:cool:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/zyphryss/CaptainObvious.jpg

[plow?]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/zyphryss/CaptainObvious.jpg

hahahahahahahahahahahaha lol

[Live2DieTrying]

Richo 18, Do you know if the argyle has the same length staunchions as the pike? Without seeing them apart, I have a feeling they are shorter, but I don't actually know. You'll only get 5mm of travel adjustment if the staunchions are indeed shorter (suited to the spring for 100mm)

The Pike U-turn spring has between 140 and 95mm stroke, no less.

It's a good idea, but not very practical, because you won't achieve what you desire (why do you want to adjust the travel lower that 100mm anyway)

The argyle spring should go into the Pike nicely though.

[McPete]

*wades through steaming piles of stupid posts to get to the end of the thread...*

Ick.

Anyway, this whole fork thing, mate. I've got Argle 318s on my bike, an STP0 (which, I suspect, may be what you're getting). They are a bit stiff for DH type operations, which is what I've been using them for, but I've found them useable, just so long as I've got the compression backed right off, but they're still a long way from "plush". For reference, I weigh about 60kg.

I'd first comment and say that rather than go the whole nine yards with an internals conversion, first just back the pressure off to the lowest recommended setting. If that dunn work, have a cast around at the LBS for a softer spring.

Do try them as is though, see how you go. I was looking at getting Pike 409s when I first rode the forks, but real world riding has born them out to be pretty handy all-rounders.

Peter

[udi]

my maters steerer tube got pulled upwards from his crown about 7mm.

I'll ignore the rest of the thread for convenience' sake but get your mate to compare the steerer depth from under the crown with someone else's pike. The steerer actually sits ~4.2mm in from factory, so I wouldn't write off the possibility that he mis-measured, and that the fork is just fine.

[Richo 18]

*wades through steaming piles of stupid posts to get to the end of the thread...*

Ick.

Anyway, this whole fork thing, mate. I've got Argle 318s on my bike, an STP0 (which, I suspect, may be what you're getting). They are a bit stiff for DH type operations, which is what I've been using them for, but I've found them useable, just so long as I've got the compression backed right off, but they're still a long way from "plush". For reference, I weigh about 60kg.

I'd first comment and say that rather than go the whole nine yards with an internals conversion, first just back the pressure off to the lowest recommended setting. If that dunn work, have a cast around at the LBS for a softer spring.

Do try them as is though, see how you go. I was looking at getting Pike 409s when I first rode the forks, but real world riding has born them out to be pretty handy all-rounders.

Peter

Sigged.EDIT: FUCK the three line maximum...
Wow. Someone who´s helping!

At the moment, I´m not buying the bike, but am much likely building the bike up from scratch, which is obviously more expensive.

So at the moment, it looks like I´m actually going for Argyle 302´s with no adjustment.

HOWEVER.

Conditions have changed, and there will be no DH/heavy trails anymore, the bike will only be used for Street/DJ/Park. Or S/T/P haha.

The thing is, the argyles are supposed to be quite a bit stiffer than pikes, but on my mates pikes, they´re plush enough that you can bottom them out on easy jumps, and the only way to commute efficiently is to lock them out.

My current forks, piss me off because they bottom out so damn much, and they´re not stiff enough, so what I´m thinking is this.


I think I´d like argyles, as stiff as they are, because they will take bigger hits than say Pikes at 100mm travel too, if they can do larger jumps without bottoming out completely on me, that´s great. Something tells me it´s better for low speed control too. Anndddddd. As I grow larger, and fatter, they´l suit me better? Nah, fuck the last one.

But they´re cheap. Which is important. Annnd....

If I really feel like it, I can still swap 302´s with the mates Pike 409´s.
If all I said above was bullshit.

[shred]

mate, would you be able to make all the swaps with internals and that? by the sounds of it i think not no offence. but i think you should just get the fork you want which is pikes by no doubt and quit tryin to do something custom cause it will cost you a shit load for a bike shop to do it and you could spend that money on better things. JUST BUY FARKIN PIKES!!! :)

[Richo 18]

mate, would you be able to make all the swaps with internals and that? by the sounds of it i think not no offence. but i think you should just get the fork you want which is pikes by no doubt and quit tryin to do something custom cause it will cost you a shit load for a bike shop to do it and you could spend that money on better things. JUST BUY FARKIN PIKES!!! :)

Um. did someone put a douchebag over your head?

READ THE FUCKING POST ABOVE YOU!

[Richo 18]

I'll ignore the rest of the thread for convenience' sake but get your mate to compare the steerer depth from under the crown with someone else's pike. The steerer actually sits ~4.2mm in from factory, so I wouldn't write off the possibility that he mis-measured, and that the fork is just fine.

Wow, I´m so totally NOT going to tell him that, untill we have (possibly) traded forks!:D

but in all seriousness, I think you´re probably right, but whenever he has a front brake on his bike and he endo´s they make a crack sound that they didn´t do before he nosecased.

[shred]

Um. did someone put a douchebag over your head?

no, has some put one on your head? do you even know what a douchebag is?

[selur_nikraf]

This thread should just die....RIP pigyles (a stupid idea that some kid just wants to do to be cool like jamie goldman)

[shred]

This thread should just die....RIP pigyles (a stupid idea that some kid just wants to do to be cool like jamie goldman)

agreed! it should have died ages ago!!

[Richo 18]

no, has some put one on your head? do you even know what a douchebag is?

Of course I know what a douchebag is.
Are you in-comprehensive?

Fuck you Kenny.

[selur_nikraf]

Meet me at 6.30 tomorrow morning at gap creek car park and we will beat box battle for ultimate supremacy moa-fucker

[shred]

Of course I know what a douchebag is.
Are you in-comprehensive?

Fuck you Kenny.

no, are you retarted! you wanted to spend a shit load of money to make a set of forks that would be nearly identicle......seems stupid to me

Meet me at 6.30 tomorrow morning at gap creek car park and we will beat box battle for ultimate supremacy moa-fucker

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.....

[wtp-addict]

Meet me at 6.30 tomorrow morning at gap creek car park and we will beat box battle for ultimate supremacy moa-fucker

vote #1 kenny for minister

[AngoXC]

Conditions have changed, and there will be no DH/heavy trails anymore, the bike will only be used for Street/DJ/Park. Or S/T/P haha.


From what I can gather from all the bull shit here, you want a fork that is as strong as the Argyles but has the same characteristics as the Pike. (duh) Obviously combining the both is the best option but at the end of the day, it probably wont work. Argyles are for Dirt Jumping. Pikes are intended for All Mountain applications. Regardless of what people say they use them for, Pikes are better suited to this then the abuse DH you have in mind.
Now that you have specified that your going to stick to Street/Dirt Jumps, I would be definatly siding with the Argyles, purley for this stiffness and also the fact, this is their intended usage...but if that was not that case and you wanted to keep up 'a bit of everything', a Fox 36 or a Marzocchi AM would have been two forks that I would have been looking into. No bull there. Adjustable. Unbeatable. Stiff...yeah...the whole shebang.

Probably came in a bit late here...

[selur_nikraf]

Very much so the kid really doesn't know anything about forks...He just thinks it would be an awesome idea. He can't comprehend that he is WRONG and should just shut up and listen to everyone saying he is a retard.

[AngoXC]

Its a reasonable question I think...its just not feasable...plus there is always another fork that will do the job anyways...

[shred]

From what I can gather from all the bull shit here, you want a fork that is as strong as the Argyles but has the same characteristics as the Pike. (duh) Obviously combining the both is the best option but at the end of the day, it probably wont work. Argyles are for Dirt Jumping. Pikes are intended for All Mountain applications. Regardless of what people say they use them for, Pikes are better suited to this then the abuse DH you have in mind.
Now that you have specified that your going to stick to Street/Dirt Jumps, I would be definatly siding with the Argyles, purley for this stiffness and also the fact, this is their intended usage...but if that was not that case and you wanted to keep up 'a bit of everything', a Fox 36 or a Marzocchi AM would have been two forks that I would have been looking into. No bull there. Adjustable. Unbeatable. Stiff...yeah...the whole shebang.

Probably came in a bit late here...

but you still need all the fully hectic adjustments for street, park and dirt yo! but serious now, it would be pointless because they would be pretty much identicle except one will be a little bit stronger and for the amount of money that will go into doin that would be pointless and stupid. so if you mainly just goin to do street, park and dirt, get argyle 302 or 318's if u want compression adjust, i can say the 318's are awsome! they are one of the stiffest forks ive riden.

Very much so the kid really doesn't know anything about forks...He just thinks it would be an awesome idea. He can't comprehend that he is WRONG and should just shut up and listen to everyone saying he is a retard.

hmmmmm no coment......

and people just arent calling you an idiot and stuff for the fun of it, its because it would be a waste of time and money.

[selur_nikraf]

Its just a whole lot of fucking around to get pikes :rolleyes:

DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!!

[McPete]

Don't you have something more constructive to do that posting utter garbage in this thread? Honestly, if it seems so stupid to you, why involve yourselves? Go adopt a kitten or something...

Now that the requirement for DH has been removed, I'd have to say that the Argle, especially if you can stretch to a a 318, would be more than sufficient for your needs. Notch up the compression and you're pretty much rock solid, unwind it and you've got something plenty firm for the charge into the jump/whatever, but still compliant enough to soak up big nose cases...
Unless you go over the hangers, but that's not really my problem, is it?

P.

[selur_nikraf]

Its a reasonable question I think...its just not feasable...plus there is always another fork that will do the job anyways...

its plenty feasible....
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/camozz/11.jpg

but still from the start what people have been saying the whole way through....it is not the practical application for your use.

MODS PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD!

[wtp-addict]

Die Thread!!

[Richo 18]

how hard is it to realize that I don't want the pike bit now.I have said that I now think argyles will be fine. I don't want pike internals. Read my massive previous post.

Sorry this post looks likeshit. I'm writing it on an iPod touch .

[wtp-addict]

how hard is it to realize that I don't want the pike bit now.I have said that I now think argyles will be fine. I don't want pike internals. Read my massive previous post.

Sorry this post looks likeshit. I'm writing it on an iPod touch .


i dont see anything wrong with the post...

You just look like an idiot..

" soz my post looks shit im soo 1337 with my ipod touch"

[AngoXC]

its plenty feasible....
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/camozz/11.jpg

but still from the start what people have been saying the whole way through....it is not the practical application for your use.

MODS PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD!

What? Thats Pike uppers and Argyle lowers though. What he wanted to do was put Pike internals into Argyles...retaining the Argyle crown and stanchion assembly.