Do you guys leave your expensive bikes at bike racks chained up?

[lliw]

Hey, Getting something like a Giant XTC 2 soonish...$1600...

I will be riding it too UNI most days, would you be confident locking it at a UNI bike rack through the day with a bike lock?

I haven't heard of many bikes going missing at UNI during the day.

I'm thinking of getting a lock like this

http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/UNLOKNN4Q

Anybody know of any real tough locks??

[AngoXC]

Humm...its risky man...you will soon learn how trustworthy it is I guess...(that could work both ways though...) I guess it beats driving (one less car eh?)

If you to ride, park next to more hardcore looking bikes. Though I only get around on an SS commuter set up, I still like to make sure its near a more aggressive looking bike bike...because naturally, it will get taken/played with first ;) I use a cable purely because the D-style is a bit of a drag to haul around. But in the end, the D-lock is stronger and will a more convincing deterant rather then my cable.

Good luck.

[Kirky]

The best locking system i find is to have a sladge hammer leaning up against your bike with a post it not thats says 'Im watching you.'

[Pebble]

I would make sure you buy some really good locks, at least two of them and make sure they are two different types (ie cable & u lock), and lock everything that you don't want going walkabouts (wheels, saddle, fork) depending on how long you will be away. LOL & don't forget to actually lock it to the rack!
The On-Guard brand ones seem to be really good. The thick cable locks are no featherweight but a bit easier & more protable than their big u-locks.

Also check out what sort of bikes other people ride - any that are worth the same as yours or more? Should give you an indication.

I've had a few kmart bikes pinched from college (yr11 &12) but I used kmart locks too so. I guess it's because of having two thefts, if I was to lock up any bike for a long period I'd be wondering if it is going to be in one piece when I got back, people could easily pinch stuff like pedals, let down the tires etc etc.

[Macr]

I'm thinking of getting a lock like this

http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/UNLOKNN4Q

Anybody know of any real tough locks??
I thought this lock would be a bit better (http://www.torpedo7.com.au/products/UNLOCNN2K). Or maybe those locks that look like over sized Nokon cable outers, as you wouldn't be able to get the jaws of a bolt cutter opened far enough to fit it in.

[Christo]

I've been using these beasties - Master street cuffs...
http://www.safeoptions.co.uk/sotn/images/SecuMaster8200D.jpg
For about five years - in conjunction with lockable Q/R skewers.

I've locked my bike up all sorts of places: the CBD, MSAC, Footscray etc. and it's still with me.

And it's a decent bike (P3, DJ's, Mavics, Thomson etc.)...

They did cost about $200 but I think the peace of mind is worth it. Best thing you can do is ensure you leave it in a very visible area & check on it frequently...

[instinct]

What i do is just simply put it next to a better bike everyday.

Works for me.

[Viv92]

Most of the time you ain't gonna find a better bike. I just bought a crap bike for commuting. When I have had to lock my decent one I've locked the wheels together, and to the rack, the frame to the rack with 2 difference locks plus the forks to the rack, just for the heck of it.

[Graunched]

Sadly with the advent of cordless dremels if they really want it they will have it...........

[Ham]

i dont ever take my bike anywhere i have to lock it up i just bought an old roadie from ebay and us that for commutes it ride very well but looks quite undesirable to thieves.

[Ty]

i dont ever take my bike anywhere i have to lock it up i just bought an old roadie from ebay and us that for commutes it ride very well but looks quite undesirable to thieves.

That really is the best solution, it may not be as "cool" on your ride to uni but it's got less chance of being nicked, and if it does, your not going to be as badly out of pocket.

and just btw, a crappy road bike with stright wheels and decent tyres is a hell of a alot quicker than a mtb on the road.

[Fatman]

I ride a Giant Talon to uni, I have a decent D lock but there are other things you need to do as well. I still have a great bike that looks like an old beater and is a little safer from thieves.
Get rid of all the quick releases, replace them with bolt up skewers and seatclamp.
I wrapped the frame in inner tubes and rim tapes to make identifying it harder (and protects it from damage) and duct tape over any brand names.
Park it in an open place, not tucked under a stairwell or something.


Still, no matter what you do if someone really wants it they will have it.:(

['Ross]

I will have to encounter this problem next year as well. The building I think my course will be at (on Elizabeth st) may have somewhere indoors to lock it up. I really would not want to be leaving a decent bike out on the street, mainly due to vandalism. The amount of bikes I see that someone has kicked over or jumped on the wheels or tried to steal the seat etc is frightening.

I use a very very thick cable for locking up motorbikes, then lock it with a massive padlock. It is very secure and I can lock both wheels to the frame and lock it around a big light pole or something because the cable is so long.

What Uni are you at? I would try to find somewhere indoors or at least undercover and not right in a public walkway where some nob is going to vandalise it.

[grandmabacon]

Akid at our school has a 4000 norco I juat put mine near it with a lock on it and mines only like 1500 and if they wanted to steel anybike i reckon they wouldnt even look at mine, yay

[Pebble]

You'd probably be surprised, don't assume your bike won't get stolen if it's next to a nicer one, thieves would probably go for the easiest target and in some ways the not so nice bike maybe be easier to flog off too! After all why would they pinch a Dunlop from Big W - purely for a quick buck, nothing else!

[ovadahill]

most locks can be jimmied or cut within 5 minutes using cordless tools. You need to decide if you're willing to spend up to 10% of the cost of your bike for security. The Kryptonite (particularly the New York Fahgettaboudit U-lock (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid=1000&pid=1095)) and Abus brand of bike locks have fairly good test results to deter thieves for about 3-5minutes. You don't have to carry the lock around with you - just leave it at the same rack you always park at.

Here are some tips from the Kryptonite site (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/TechLab/HowToSecure.aspx):
1. Always lock your bike, especially at home. This means in your garage, in your apartment building and your college residence hall. If you have a sense of security and become a little lax, that's when a thief will take advantage.
2. Lock to a fixed, immovable object like a parking meter or permanent bike rack. Be careful not to lock to items that can be easily cut, broken or removed like a chain link fence (yes, thieves are that creative). Be careful that your bike can't be lifted over the top of the object you've locked it to, like a sign.
3. Lock in a well-lit area with a lot of foot traffic.
4. Lock in a location where there are other bikes. The chances are pretty good that there will be a bike with less security, or no security, right near yours. Thieves will go for the easiest target every time.
5. When using a U-lock, position your bike frame and wheels so that you fill or take up as much of the open space within the U-portion of the lock as possible. The tighter the lock up the harder it is for a thief to use tools to attack and twist your lock.
6. Always position your U-lock with the keyway facing down towards the ground, but not close to the ground. Locks on the ground are more easily leveraged for attack.
7. Always secure your components and accessories with a secondary cable lock. This includes quick-release components.
8. For the greatest theft protection use two locks such as a U-lock and a locking cable. The longer a thief will have to work, the less likely your bike will be stolen.
9. Don't lock your bike to itself by simply locking the front wheel to the frame. A bike 'locked' like this can easily be lifted and carried away.
10. A thief may notice a pattern and target your bike if you lock in the same location all the time. Mix up the locations a little bit, especially if you are a commuter.
11. Check with area law enforcement agencies and read all signs in the area before locking your bike. Don't lock to anything illegal.
12. Always check your lock before leaving your bike to be sure you have secured it properly.

[Graunched]

3. Lock in a well-lit area with a lot of foot traffic.


Personally i would not take this as a given to deter thieves. One day when i was couriering i got a call over the radio that one of the other couriers had lost the key to his lock so i went to a local bike store and borrowed a set of bolt cutters and took them up to him.
This was at the top of the Queen st mall in Brisbane with alot of foot traffic. As it was quite an expensive lock it took a little bit of time to get through it and in that time NO ONE stopped to ask us what we were doing or if this was our bike etc etc.....................

[Kirky]

You could always...
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/Kirky42/501791705_db4c19d58d_b.jpg

[keepin it real]

I ride my worst bike up to uni, just in case there's a one off of someone stealing my good bike/s. I just use my 8 year old k-mart combination lock and she does retty well:p

But i'd be very reluctant to ride a good bike to university

[-<<<-- MISTERMXER -->>>-]

Personally i would not take this as a given to deter thieves. One day when i was couriering i got a call over the radio that one of the other couriers had lost the key to his lock so i went to a local bike store and borrowed a set of bolt cutters and took them up to him.
This was at the top of the Queen st mall in Brisbane with alot of foot traffic. As it was quite an expensive lock it took a little bit of time to get through it and in that time NO ONE stopped to ask us what we were doing or if this was our bike etc etc.....................

WOW!!. i though that some one would at least tip off the cops

[Grip]

And unfortunately it's not only thieving you've got to worry about. We've just had a rather old and tatty looking steel road frame in for major repairs after it was kicked into the pole it was locked to. Smashed the top tube in pretty good, splitting it open etc.

Now this was a Paconi, but it had been a courier steed for a number of years both here and in London so you can guess that it wasn't the flashest looking bike on the block.

And it's not the first one of these we've had in either. There are some people out there who are just arseholes for the sake of it.

[|Matt|]

And unfortunately it's not only thieving you've got to worry about. We've just had a rather old and tatty looking steel road frame in for major repairs after it was kicked into the pole it was locked to. Smashed the top tube in pretty good, splitting it open etc.

Now this was a Paconi, but it had been a courier steed for a number of years both here and in London so you can guess that it wasn't the flashest looking bike on the block.

And it's not the first one of these we've had in either. There are some people out there who are just arseholes for the sake of it.

Thats exactly what I worry most about. Some dodgy prick thinking 'if I can't have it, no one can' and smashing something on it, most namely the frame into whatever it is chained to, or it being knocked over and having someone stomp on the spokes.

[alexb618]

most locks can be jimmied or cut within 5 minutes using cordless tools. You need to decide if you're willing to spend up to 10% of the cost of your bike for security. The Kryptonite (particularly the New York Fahgettaboudit U-lock (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid=1000&pid=1095)) and Abus brand of bike locks have fairly good test results to deter thieves for about 3-5minutes. You don't have to carry the lock around with you - just leave it at the same rack you always park at.

Here are some tips from the Kryptonite site (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/TechLab/HowToSecure.aspx):
1. Always lock your bike, especially at home. This means in your garage, in your apartment building and your college residence hall. If you have a sense of security and become a little lax, that's when a thief will take advantage.
2. Lock to a fixed, immovable object like a parking meter or permanent bike rack. Be careful not to lock to items that can be easily cut, broken or removed like a chain link fence (yes, thieves are that creative). Be careful that your bike can't be lifted over the top of the object you've locked it to, like a sign.
3. Lock in a well-lit area with a lot of foot traffic.
4. Lock in a location where there are other bikes. The chances are pretty good that there will be a bike with less security, or no security, right near yours. Thieves will go for the easiest target every time.
5. When using a U-lock, position your bike frame and wheels so that you fill or take up as much of the open space within the U-portion of the lock as possible. The tighter the lock up the harder it is for a thief to use tools to attack and twist your lock.
6. Always position your U-lock with the keyway facing down towards the ground, but not close to the ground. Locks on the ground are more easily leveraged for attack.
7. Always secure your components and accessories with a secondary cable lock. This includes quick-release components.
8. For the greatest theft protection use two locks such as a U-lock and a locking cable. The longer a thief will have to work, the less likely your bike will be stolen.
9. Don't lock your bike to itself by simply locking the front wheel to the frame. A bike 'locked' like this can easily be lifted and carried away.
10. A thief may notice a pattern and target your bike if you lock in the same location all the time. Mix up the locations a little bit, especially if you are a commuter.
11. Check with area law enforcement agencies and read all signs in the area before locking your bike. Don't lock to anything illegal.
12. Always check your lock before leaving your bike to be sure you have secured it properly.

or just buy a $100 bunga for commuting and dont worry about it all day

[lliw]

or just buy a $100 bunga for commuting and dont worry about it all day

Yer good point, I got my old rincon stolen last week while my mate was borrowing it...hmmm

[FoxRidersCo]

I had a $99 Kmart Huffy stolen from a public bike rack. That was enough to make me reconsider leaving any good bikes locked up in a public place.

Also seeing that video that has been posted up about how easy it is to steal a bike and how no one even stops or questions someone cutting a lock off a bike has changed my way of thinking regarding bike security.

[Badwolfl69]

Dont do it. Thats all I can say. Buy a kmart bike to commute. There is a sydnicate out there who uses universty grounds to find their pray. And if you go to the security offices in the campus, they will give you an idea how many bikes are stolen every week. Especially your bike. My friend last year had his specialzed taken from the Catholic University in north sydney. He was pissed cause not only his bike was stolen, he hd to walk home.

[Mahoney_007]

There is no way I'd leave my current ride at Uni all day. But I would have no dramas leaving my $150 super commuter chained to a rack, if it disappeared I can just buy a new(old) one.

If I leave the LeToy anywhere it will only be for a maximum of 10 minutes, I can usually see it and I deploy a very sophisticated locking system.

It consists of;

* A decent cable lock
* Anti Perimeter breach detection unit
* Whaling siren
* Fast tracker
* Stop-Thief retrival system

Incase you havnt already guessed.....I chain my dog to it. :D


"Chopper, sik balls"

[ADAM!]

"Chopper, sik balls"

Stand by Me - good movie.

On topic:
I'm sure if you can afford an expensive bike, you could also afford a cheaper one.
I just ride my cheaper one if it needs to be chained up anywhere.

[Ant27]

My mate chained up his Ironhorse Sunday Team with a crazy clarks lock today :)

[bipyjamas]

You shouldn't trust any lock to keep your bike safe as part of a routine commute for hours on end, unless your bike happens to be worth less than your lock (in which case you might be more annoyed that your lock got destroyed) :)

It's just sadly not worth the worry. If you really think about it, even if you lock up your frame, wheels and fork. It won't stop some morally loose bike geek from running off with your brake calipers, derailleur and other bits and pieces in very little time with just a multi-tool and some cable cutters.

It wouldn't be very fun(ny) coming back to find your lock safe-guarding your frame, rims, tyres and tubes with everything else missing, it could happen...

[jaseh]

Buy a shitter, put some slicks on it and keep the good bike for riding in the bush. I never leave my good bikes anywhere that they are out of sight lock or not. On the other hand, my shitty Mongoose rockadile, if anyones stupid enough to steal it, good luck to them.

[DarrenHunt]

my uni has a bike storage area outside that requires a code to gain access, and to get a code you must be a student at the uni and they ask a few questions. its great, i forgot my lock one day and just left my bike in there. not a flash looking bike but would get a few hunge $ for it.

[Techno Destructo]

I will be riding it too UNI most days, would you be confident locking it at a UNI bike rack through the day with a bike lock?

I don't even feel comfortable having out of my line of sight even when locked up with a huge burly lock.

You just don't know what idiots are capable of... somebody walks by your bike, drunk on that cheap-ass Woodstock bourbon and coke, thinks "stupid bike...", and kicks one of your rotors.... etc....

Have two bikes. Your good one, and one that is good enough to get you from point a to b. You can do that with a $100 from Target. Don't risk it.

[L.P.]

the uni i am at has an indoor lockable room, for people who enquired about if theyre was somewhere to put their nice bikes. so not many people knew about it, it was hidden within staff parking, and most people locked theirs up outside somewhere. still have to lock it up inside that room, but it uses a swipe card to get in, so a lot safer (you need to submit your details and be part of uni to get one of these swipe cards).

ontop of that, a big lock that i left there every day so i didnt have to carry it. i used cable lock, but really a d lock or something tougher would be 100times better.

otherwise, cheap roadie. theyre quick, look shit, and dont get stolen. a mate went two or three months of his not getting stolen and he didnt even lock it up, just left it near locked bikes.

[projectsplat]

no-f$%king-way. if I have to lock it, i don't take it. i have even taken my downhill bike inside at restuarants and clubs in Melbourne to avoid leaving it outside. generally people are pretty cool once they find out how much it costs - they seem a bit more understanding.

i remember one night leaving it standing up against the bar at Manchester Lane (Jazz Club). by the time we left, the bar maid was doing a little infomercial on the bike for interested punters. niice.

[lliw]

What UNI is that mate? I might email my UNI and ask them.

the uni i am at has an indoor lockable room, for people who enquired about if theyre was somewhere to put their nice bikes. so not many people knew about it, it was hidden within staff parking, and most people locked theirs up outside somewhere. still have to lock it up inside that room, but it uses a swipe card to get in, so a lot safer (you need to submit your details and be part of uni to get one of these swipe cards).

ontop of that, a big lock that i left there every day so i didnt have to carry it. i used cable lock, but really a d lock or something tougher would be 100times better.

otherwise, cheap roadie. theyre quick, look shit, and dont get stolen. a mate went two or three months of his not getting stolen and he didnt even lock it up, just left it near locked bikes.

[L.P.]

What UNI is that mate? I might email my UNI and ask them.

Swinburne, hawthorn.

[BM Epic]

Don't tempt fate by leaving it chained up.
My bike is kept inside my house when not riding.
After putting in about 5000 buck's into it,nobody but me is having it!

[Pebble]

If I was going to be locking up any bike upwards of say $1000 I reckon insurance (you can get it through your home & contenets) would become very worthwhile. Take into account the excess amount you may have to pay should you make a claim though (depends on your contents policy). I looked into it some time ago, and for the very low risk area I live in it wasn't worth it.

You standard home & contenets covers your bike whilst at home, in the house etc, it's the extra cover you'd have to take out that pretty much covers it anywhere.

If you take out insurance you can ride just about any bike you like, just make sure there are no "sentimental" parts on it. Either way having it flogged or having parts flogged off would be just as much of an inconvenience in my opinion, and no riding untill the insurance paperwork etc went through.

[Kirky]

May be a lil bit of a dig, but...

I found this amusingly relevant. (http://http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail178.html)

[wolverine26]

i usually just leave it but if im going far away i lock it up!! cheers

[bazza]

no one really has that many good answers.

basically IF YOU CHOOSE to ride your bike to uni which it sounds like it........until you find a nice 2nd hand old school roadie that is.....

than the only solution that I would recommend is to use a combination shackel and cable lock. the BEST option is to go kyrptonite! if your riding to one place at uni leave this combination locked up at uni and carry around a smaller portable lock for the 5 minutes out the front of a shop sort of job. For kyrptonite aim to shell about $140 for a combo set up which will ensure your bike just about never goes walk about unless they have a 240v power tool set. Or if your a cheap ass you can get LOX which are a shackle and braided cabling (the only type to use) from most places that stock Jamis or Anaconda for about $40, although I have no experience with trying to get into these locks so I can't say how good they are security wise. Use the shackel for your frame and rear wheel and the cable for everything else that can move.

find a cheap decent commuter though! check out the fixie thread for motivation.

[g-fish]

i was thinking about riding my 1700 jump bike to school. But i live in a bad neighbourhood, so i converted an old bike to single speed for nothing (ran it on the cassette), I also have skewers for my wheels that can only be opened by a wrench (who carries around 15mm wrenchs). Just go buy some shithouse bike, single speed it and run it on the cassete. commute on that.

[2-fast]

NO, way man. I Ride an Ironhorse sunday expert and i would not even leave it under my varanda over night locked up

[tteerrrryy]

I added my bike to my NRMA Home contents insurance. Basically added it as a 'portable' item to the policy which means if it gets stolen anywhere in Aus/NZ im covered.

The bike is insured for $4000 and it ended up costing an extra $10 a month for the premium.

However my bike does not get chained up anywhere - it's either with me or locked away at home.

[Cooch]

Man, don't lock up a nice bike at Uni. IT WILL GET STOLEN! Even with the best bike lock. I work at QUT (Gardens Point, Brisbane) and bikes get knicked all the time - even from their "secure storage sheds" under the buildings - which are also monitored by cameras!!!

I have a 2nd hand $180 Freeagent BMX that I bought specifically for riding to Uni. It has never been touched. I think there is this 'reputation' or 'stigma' attached to BMX bikes. As in, the owner must be a street-thug or something :D so don't fuck with it. I can lock this bike up anywhere in town and just walk away - relaxed and stress free. Fark, it only cost me $180 and if it gets knicked ... so what.

I've even left this bike, flat down on the footpaths outside shops around Paddo and Milton (Brisbane). Again, no one touches it. Just really lucky I guess. :p

[Binaural]

I locked my bikes up at UTS (NSW) every day for 4 years with no hassles. Mind you, I did lock it up in the bowels of the mechanical engineering department, and I got a few notes from security about it, but despite the fact my bikes was one of the more expensive bikes locked up on campus it was never stolen. Moral of the story: lock it where somewhere that nobody else is locking theirs. In the day and age of the portable dremel, locking your bike where they can be easily seen by cruising thieves checking out their usual spots is begging for trouble.

Also, the advice from bazza is spookily similar to what I dlo - heavy lock for regular lockups, and light lock for nicking into shops.

[Simmo.]

Best bet is probably to buy a cheap k-mart job and ride that and lock it up with a half-decent lock. Gets stolen? You're out of pocket, what, $100-$200, if that.

[willy_c]

I always see people leaving their bikes chained up at UNI. Would be so easy to strip one down if you had half a brain. If I were you I would not let out of my sight. There are suss people around all the time. If you really need to take it to UNI bring into lecture with you.

[Refreshinglygood]

If they want it, they will take it. Best to lock it up with a chain and look device (Big thick meaty chain) as well as with a U lock.

But there is no guarantee. Doesn't take log to break a lock if you know what your doing.

I'd be suggesting you organize a commuter andd leave your good bike at home.

[petertronica]

2 D-Locks, preferably Kriptonite. Always lock it to something COMPLETELY immovable. One small D-Lock locking the wheel to the forks stops the front wheel getting nicked.

Cable locks are all useless, I've personally caught a bike thief nicking a bike at a certain Uni (which I work at), and he had the biggest pair of bolt cutters I've ever seen. He was cutting through a brand new cable lock, one of the really thick braided cable kinds. The bolt cutters looked brand new (probably recently stolen) and were well oiled - he obviously thought the lock would be no problem. And yes, I chased the f#$@%^ off and he ditched the cutters.

Lock it in a well visible place, like a well used footpath - the more people walking past the better. If it's hidden and out of sight, the thief has all the time in the world, and believe it or not they don't like anyone seeing them nicking your pride and joy, they would rather do it in peace and quiet with no-one around. I reakon they're also unlikely to get the angle grinder out if lots of people are watching.

No lock will protect you from the damn angle grinder.

Thieves also seem to go for shiny new-looking bikes, whether they cost a lot or not.

Just my 2 cents.

[chuckies_here]

2 D-Locks, preferably Kriptonite. Always lock it to something COMPLETELY immovable. One small D-Lock locking the wheel to the forks stops the front wheel getting nicked.

Cable locks are all useless, I've personally caught a bike thief nicking a bike at a certain Uni (which I work at), and he had the biggest pair of bolt cutters I've ever seen. He was cutting through a brand new cable lock, one of the really thick braided cable kinds. The bolt cutters looked brand new (probably recently stolen) and were well oiled - he obviously thought the lock would be no problem. And yes, I chased the f#$@%^ off and he ditched the cutters.

Lock it in a well visible place, like a well used footpath - the more people walking past the better. If it's hidden and out of sight, the thief has all the time in the world, and believe it or not they don't like anyone seeing them nicking your pride and joy, they would rather do it in peace and quiet with no-one around. I reakon they're also unlikely to get the angle grinder out if lots of people are watching.

No lock will protect you from the damn angle grinder.

Thieves also seem to go for shiny new-looking bikes, whether they cost a lot or not.

Just my 2 cents.

I dunno man,
There was a video not so long ago abou ta guy stealing bikes and he whiped out an angle grinder on a busy public street.

If anybody still has the url could they please post it up.

[Cooch]

This is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbklkFuFk-4

Hope the link works!

[deaks]

its wierd to see in that vid, that no-one really cares about whats going on

[Viv92]

People really just don't give a fark.

I was really amazed at that, seems like something the Chasers would do. I actually bent my key in my lock once and got a locksmith to come and open it, and nobody even took a second look and the locksmith had no proof it was my bike. Imagine how easy that would be?

[petertronica]

Yeah I've seen that vid before. Not very reassuring. Wouldn't get through a Kryptonite D-Lock with bolt cutters or a saw, but the Bloody angle grinder would! Eventually anyway. Not much you can do about those really. I keep my front wheel in my office when it's locked up at work, will stop the thief riding off on it at least. And no, they can't just nick someone else's front wheel unless it happens to have a 20mm maxle.

FYI those bolt cutters he uses were about half the size of the ones I caught the thief using.

[rowdyflat]

Just quietly I have an 18 volt angle grinder which will cut thru anything hence it name is "killer" = no lock is bombproof.
i dont ride to work in the city where I live we dont lock anything.
My advice-- is cheap road bike or get insurance.

[::RideSiK::]

at work ive got a cordless 18V sabre saw, ive cut 12mm stainless plate with it on site before.

havent found anything yet it wount cut through with a few blade changes...

i had a kryptonite lock. i lost the key while out drinking one night at the uni pub actually my bike wasa crappy giant bitsa id built up. another guy waiting for the taxi out the front of the pub showed me how to use a bic biro to open the lock. i left it there. (it was useless anyway without the key and this guy showed me how to use something every single student at the uni would have on them to open it. (just take the little blue bung out of the end and squash the 6 sided plastic shaft into the barrell lock. then turn. simple.

for the rest of the year i didnt bother to lock the bike up. nothing happened to it. looked flasher than it was as well, electric blue (97model if anyone remembers it) atx 840 frame, matching Z3 airs etc. left over bits from different bikes over the years. . .