price and conditions: you tell me.? DAMN

[rayza]

ok this will be quick, but i had to come and vent about all these damn for sale threads with 'offers' or 'tell me what you will pay' bullshit in them. for fucks sake if you want to sell something, PUT A PRICE ON IT. we all know that people will offer you nothing close to what you actually want. no one would ever put and ad in the paper with 'tell me what you will pay'.
FARKIN is NOT ebay, if you want people to bid on your shit, list it there!

thanks for your time. and sorry if you dont agree.

[alchemist]

Mind the language please.

[rayza]

yeah i did get a little carried away. sorry kids.

[tu plang]

I agree, its incredibly annoying. It has a certain underhandedness about it too because it comes across as if they are waiting for someone to unwittingly offer them too much.

The issue has been raised a few times and it was concluded that it wouldn't be outlawed simply because as a seller it was a foolish thing to do. I personally overlook anything that has "offers" or similar listed, regardless of whether I really want or need it. I'm not here to play silly games (when I say here, i mean the for sale forum. ;) .) This opinion was pretty common, so we just decided that sellers could do it at their own peril.

[mongoosedh]

But, could there be a rule of something like...If the seller gets an offer, he/she has to tell the offerer if it is too much or too little. Because I have offered people on items and had just a plain NO, with no explanation or rough price. :( It gets anoying.

[dolsa]

I once posted a for sale thread for some 04 Monster T's with offers in the price section. I only did it because I wasn't sure on what to expect. However once a few offers came through I posted up a price. So I don't think it is all bad because some people are just plain unsure on what to expect and only use it as a starting block to get a rough price then post up a price after they know. However when people post up a thread with offers and recieve plenty of offers but just plain say "NO" then do not say higher or lower it is very frustrating and I also overlook these sellers.

[tu plang]

I once posted a for sale thread for some 04 Monster T's with offers in the price section. I only did it because I wasn't sure on what to expect. However once a few offers came through I posted up a price. So I don't think it is all bad because some people are just plain unsure on what to expect and only use it as a starting block to get a rough price then post up a price after they know. However when people post up a thread with offers and recieve plenty of offers but just plain say "NO" then do not say higher or lower it is very frustrating and I also overlook these sellers.

yeah, thats another reason it was left alone. i think more people are abusing the system than otherwise though.

[KA0S]

On a few car forums I am a member of, unless there is a price, the thread is deleted. Even if you put up you want to try, still get deleted

[gregru]

ok this will be quick, but i had to come and vent about all these damn for sale threads with 'offers' or 'tell me what you will pay' bullshit in them. for fucks sake if you want to sell something, PUT A PRICE ON IT. we all know that people will offer you nothing close to what you actually want. no one would ever put and ad in the paper with 'tell me what you will pay'.
FARKIN is NOT ebay, if you want people to bid on your shit, list it there!

thanks for your time. and sorry if you dont agree.I asked for offers because if I wrote how little I wanted for my bike people would think it was f&%$#d, which it isnt. Pretty hard for me to put a value on something with such a mix of parts, rat bike and all. Different people place different values on the same objects, if you thought that your bike was worth $500 would you knock back $600 if someone offered? or would you say "I think it is only worth $500 so you can have it for that"

[Mahoney_007]

I concur whole heartedly.....Price or piss off!

You know what you paid for it new, you know its now worth 50-75% of that ( in exceptional condition), if you are looking for a wood duck go sell cars, not bike bits to ya "mates".



I find the whole "offers" thing extremely offensive, what do you really think Im going to offer you 1k for your stances? The only exception to the rule here is if the bike was extremely rare (ie) Elvis (no not you DW-1) once rode it to James' house and they shared Marilyn over the top tube :eek: then yes offers would be cool.





Sellers: You are selling an item, you know what you want for it, if you are too embarrassed to put a price in, you're obviously asking to much. If you have no idea how much your 2nd hand item is worth, PM somone who sells alot, its not hard to figure out the "mega" traders on this site. And ask yourself "How much would I honestly pay for this item"

Buyers: If you think the price is to high, call your freaking LBS and ask for a new price, get online check out the usual shops, go to ebay see what they sell for 2nd hand, make a comparison, look at the damn photos and ask yourself "how much would I want for this item"

This kind of trading gets you pretty close to ball park figures, its not rocket science kids.


We are a community, the sale section has so many bargains its rediculous, lets nip this offers shit in the bud before someone really does take advantage and pulls the wool big time.


And lets not forget what ono is really about poeple. Or Nearest Offer, so use it to your advantage, a seller will only knock you back if you offer to low, you then come back slightly higher, and continue until you are happy, its called bartering, very efficent and practical method if you ask me.

[Pebble]

I agree, seeing "offers" does turn me off for sure, because you instantly don't know how much they want for it and what they find reasonable, and it only invites the lowest offers people can give. If you don't know what it's worth then either ask or sell on Ebay, but in most cases even there you would start with a minimum price if you don't want to give it away.

"ono" is a good one though, particularly if like most people the seller has an idea of what it's worth & what they want for it, "ono" lets you set a max reasonable price (or in the proximity of what you're after) and let the buyers know that you're willing to lower by some or just after a sale regardless. "ono" also accounts for any inherent overpricing, so it's a good way to go if you're not sure on what it's worth. From what I've seen farkiners aren't shy about telling sellers if something is overpriced;)

[NH_]

what i find more annoying is when you have stated a price and people go about offering you, but they offer you stupid amounts way below your asking price, if i wanted people to offer me i wouldav said a price but am negotiable, but i didnt

when i buy stuff i just pay what the sellers asking, makes for easy trades where both parties are happy

[Bowlo]

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=111445

A perfect example

[lebronmtb]

Most of the people are just seeing what their bike/asset is worth and sometimes not genuinely selling it

[dolsa]

Most of the people are just seeing what their bike/asset is worth and sometimes not genuinely selling it

Then they should get the hell out of trading area. If you only want to know how much other users think your "fully swicked tricked stp" is worth so you can sit back and gloat piss off and leave the tading area for people who have a brain.

[dolsa]

what i find more annoying is when you have stated a price and people go about offering you, but they offer you stupid amounts way below your asking price, if i wanted people to offer me i wouldav said a price but am negotiable, but i didnt

when i buy stuff i just pay what the sellers asking, makes for easy trades where both parties are happy

I had a pair of 2008 888RCV's for TRADE ONLY and some idiot offered me $200 becuase he had blown the seals on his forks and needed new ones quick.

[wagon boy]

the template is there so people fill out all the sections! I too am on quite a few other forums that simple don't allow a thread that doesn't have a price and I find it really great. everyone is aware that if they don't have a price, they don't have a thread. it makes life so much easier.

[|Matt|]

I once posted a for sale thread for some 04 Monster T's with offers in the price section. I only did it because I wasn't sure on what to expect. However once a few offers came through I posted up a price. So I don't think it is all bad because some people are just plain unsure on what to expect and only use it as a starting block to get a rough price then post up a price after they know. However when people post up a thread with offers and recieve plenty of offers but just plain say "NO" then do not say higher or lower it is very frustrating and I also overlook these sellers.

Agreed.

Usually I'll try to put up a price, but for items like the Straitline lever and Shimano lever I sold, I had no idea what to ask for them so I was forced to put up offers.

I don't find it annoying all that much when people ask for offers, what I do find annoying is when people in WTB say they are willing to pay between $500 and $1500. I mean why would you say that? Why not just say up to $1500?

[S.]

I once posted a for sale thread for some 04 Monster T's with offers in the price section. I only did it because I wasn't sure on what to expect. However once a few offers came through I posted up a price. So I don't think it is all bad because some people are just plain unsure on what to expect and only use it as a starting block to get a rough price then post up a price after they know. However when people post up a thread with offers and recieve plenty of offers but just plain say "NO" then do not say higher or lower it is very frustrating and I also overlook these sellers.

Who's ever going to knock back an offer for being too high? If you get told no, it should be pretty obvious that it's too low.

I think people have to understand that buyers really hold all the cards here. Sellers are the ones who stand to lose by being idiots, buyers can always just go somewhere else. It's not like everything for sale on Farkin isn't there at least in triplicate (anyone want to buy a set of Boxxers? There are like 10 on the first page alone), and sorry to the people who haven't worked out how to sell stuff effectively, but it is YOUR LOSS if you piss people around by expecting them to do all the hard work for you.

Personally I sell stuff in a way that's far more effective than asking for offers, and even considerably better than stating a price with "or nearest offer"... but unless I already know you, I'm not going to share it because in a relative sense, the more shit sellers out there, the easier it is for me to get rid of my own stuff :) I'm not saying this (just) to brag, more to point out that poor sellers are doing themselves a disservice moreso than hindering anyone else and might well be left to it.

[R33F]

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=111445

A perfect example

Just don't buy off them. Easy.

People who do not put in any effort with their add - don't bother with them.

That add you have posted is the perfect example of something I would spend about 3 seconds looking at and never return.

No Price.

No Picture.

No information on Saddle & Tyres.

[Bowlo]

Just don't buy off them. Easy.

People who do not put in any effort with their add - don't bother with them.

That add you have posted is the perfect example of something I would spend about 3 seconds looking at and never return.

No Price.

No Picture.

No information on Saddle & Tyres.

Yes but it just shits me that that is a product I may be interested in - Offers under price conditions is fine as some people just want to find out the value of their item. But this guy who says - You tell me, shoulden't be allowed to post. You can't have NO idea what it is worth - Say something like between $3000 and $4000 or something like that. Just to give the buyer a rough price range

[-Jordan-]

Say something like between $3000 and $4000 or something like that. Just to give the buyer a rough price range

Only problem with that is you're never going to get a offer above $3000. There is no point in putting a price range - no one is ever going to be nice enough to go above your minimum. Same goes for 'offers above $2000'. Who is actually going to offer you $2500 when they know you'll accept $2000?


As for the offers thing - if you don't like it, click back. Simply as that. You'll find something else, the buyer loses out. I put offers on a few items I sell, basically because I'd rather the buyer tell me what he thinks its worth than waiting around forever with a price that may seem unreasonable to the majority of people, but not me. I've never had a problem selling this way either...

[rayza]

i didnt realized this would get so many replies. As much as it does shit me, i agree that even if i am interested in the item for sale, i wont bother with it if theres no asking price, even if theres a possibiltiy that the seller might want far less than what i am willing to pay, it's just a deterant to me.

[gregru]

i didnt realized this would get so many replies. As much as it does shit me, i agree that even if i am interested in the item for sale, i wont bother with it if theres no asking price, even if theres a possibiltiy that the seller might want far less than what i am willing to pay, it's just a deterant to me.at least one of the people that it appears to really shit has been guilty of this unspeakable crime a couple of times himself. If you want irritating ads try EOI, for christ sake why see if you have interest before you try to sell, lets face the facts, your norco or stp nomatter what parts you put on it will only be worth a certain price. Dont believe it, check the for sale section. Asking for offers is no worse than listing your bike on ebay and on farkin, you do realise that using ebay actually makes people have to make an offer as well. Before you start bagging others have a hard look at yourself. This spiel is not directed at rayza but a couple of other people that have had their say in this thread. every person who has been interested in my stuff for sale has been given a lowest price I would go, I would be happy if people offered more though

[smart_969]

they could atleast put a around about price

[rayza]

i just remebered, ive actually posted an EOI ad once before, dammit. i feel so ashamed.

[gregru]

they could atleast put a around about priceonce you place a price it can only go down, I think asking for offers is much better than "best offer", "also listed on ebay" , and the beauty "EOI". Remember that everyone is not in a rush to sell or may do a different price for a beginner than a person who seems to make trading a business, I try to do good prices (or swaps)to encourage young people into the sport not make money.

[ratdog]

And lets not forget what ono is really about poeple. Or Nearest Offer, so use it to your advantage, a seller will only knock you back if you offer to low, you then come back slightly higher, and continue until you are happy, its called bartering, very efficent and practical method if you ask me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bartering

Bartering is actually the trade of goods without currency.

As in "I'll barter you your Boxxer World cups for a bag of carrots and a shiny stone on a string"

I think what you meant is haggling.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/haggle

As in "$1550 for your Boxxer world cups?! Make it $1500 and you have a deal."

Here's a step by step instructional video on how to "haggle properly" for noobs. (Especially those looking to purchase fake beards for their wives.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n3LL338aGA

[Mahoney_007]

^ "Valvoline, you know what I mean" :p


Good point though.

[Shorerider]

I also find the whole "Price: Offers" in the For sale section annoying.

One paticular member is a perfect example.
Under price they've got: "Open to reasonable offers" (Wait thats not it)

They then go on to say in another post: "Cheaper now" (Cheaper than what!!!)

And in yet another post: "Open to offers much cheaper now"

All without ever posting up a price. They must have been getting offers via PM and thought the rest of us were mind readers as to what those offers were.

Even if the item is too expensive, I'll always (Politely) PM MY highest price and take it from there.

I always steer clear of items with "offers" under price, so hopefully this thread will show prospective sellers that they'll get more interest if they list a starting price.


My 2 cents, Shorerider.

[gregru]

I also find the whole "Price: Offers" in the For sale section annoying.

One paticular member is a perfect example.
Under price they've got: "Open to reasonable offers" (Wait thats not it)

They then go on to say in another post: "Cheaper now" (Cheaper than what!!!)

And in yet another post: "Open to offers much cheaper now"

All without ever posting up a price. They must have been getting offers via PM and thought the rest of us were mind readers as to what those offers were.

Even if the item is too expensive, I'll always (Politely) PM MY highest price and take it from there.

I always steer clear of items with "offers" under price, so hopefully this thread will show prospective sellers that they'll get more interest if they list a starting price.


My 2 cents, Shorerider.so, you will make offers if a price is listed but wont make an offer if people ask you to:confused: but the example you posted would s&%t all, including me:D

[S.]

at least one of the people that it appears to really shit has been guilty of this unspeakable crime a couple of times himself. If you want irritating ads try EOI, for christ sake why see if you have interest before you try to sell, lets face the facts, your norco or stp nomatter what parts you put on it will only be worth a certain price. Dont believe it, check the for sale section. Asking for offers is no worse than listing your bike on ebay and on farkin, you do realise that using ebay actually makes people have to make an offer as well. Before you start bagging others have a hard look at yourself. This spiel is not directed at rayza but a couple of other people that have had their say in this thread. every person who has been interested in my stuff for sale has been given a lowest price I would go, I would be happy if people offered more though

If you tell everyone the lowest you'll go, why bother asking for offers? Honestly man... if you already know a price you want, why ask people to make offers that in all likelihood will be less than you want? I know for sure if I'm forced to make an offer for something, I'll deliberately low-ball the seller a bit just to see how they react and to try and gauge what they might actually sell for. I'm not ever about to offer someone more than they're willing to sell for, and I imagine most other people are exactly the same.

so, you will make offers if a price is listed but wont make an offer if people ask you to:confused:

For sure, at least then you have some idea of the price brackets you're working within. If someone asks $1800 for their frame, I know it's not totally out of the question that they might sell for $1500 or something (random examples, don't read anything into this), so making that offer is not just a waste of my time. However if someone goes "mint condition, just serviced, blah blah perfect, will sell cheap, make me an offer" how the hell am I meant to guess what their version of cheap is? Plenty of people think they're offering the biggest bargain in the world when in reality it's totally unrealistic, why should I go out of my way to chance wasting my time with those people because they couldn't be bothered spending 10 minutes contemplating what price to ask?

[gregru]

If you tell everyone the lowest you'll go, why bother asking for offers? Honestly man... if you already know a price you want, why ask people to make offers that in all likelihood will be less than you want? I know for sure if I'm forced to make an offer for something, I'll deliberately low-ball the seller a bit just to see how they react and to try and gauge what they might actually sell for. I'm not ever about to offer someone more than they're willing to sell for, and I imagine most other people are exactly the same.[COLOR="Blue


For sure, at least then you have some idea of the price brackets you're working within. If someone asks $1800 for their frame, I know it's not totally out of the question that they might sell for $1500 or something (random examples, don't read anything into this), so making that offer is not just a waste of my time. However if someone goes "mint condition, just serviced, blah blah perfect, will sell cheap, make me an offer" how the hell am I meant to guess what their version of cheap is? Plenty of people think they're offering the biggest bargain in the world when in reality it's totally unrealistic, why should I go out of my way to chance wasting my time with those people because they couldn't be bothered spending 10 minutes contemplating what price to ask?"<<<<[/COLOR]In all likelihood they would offer more than I want and yes I have knocked back an offer on one of my items to sell to a noob that offered less(they made the offer at about the same time).For example jamis komodo with dj3, shim disc brake,fsa cranks,50/50 pedals,crossmark tyres, how much $350 not a bad deal,14 year old very happy(and safe). biking is not all about getting top dollar for me.
well, I told people to have a look at post your ride to get an idea about how much this cost to build. I offered it to a couple of youngsters for $500 to try to help them into d/h but that then set a price for them to offer for parts, to a more experienced rider/trader(the sort that can afford to collect bikes like stamps) it would of cost more. The bike is now being stripped to build another bike.

[gregru]

"<<<<[/COLOR]In all likelihood they would offer more than I want and yes I have knocked back an offer on one of my items to sell to a noob that offered less(they made the offer at about the same time).For example jamis komodo with dj3, shim disc brake,fsa cranks,50/50 pedals,crossmark tyres, how much $350 not a bad deal,14 year old very happy(and safe). biking is not all about getting top dollar for me.
well, I told people to have a look at post your ride to get an idea about how much this cost to build. I offered it to a couple of youngsters for $500 to try to help them into d/h but that then set a price for them to offer for parts, to a more experienced rider/trader(the sort that can afford to collect bikes like stamps) it would of cost more. The bike is now being stripped to build another bike.Also you expect people to waste 10 min to think of a price when you cant be bothered to make an offer which would take 30 seconds, very strange. I would prefer people to offer me a small price than try to beat me down by 20% of my asking price, now thats pretty rude I think. I recon that people that ask about splitting a whole bike when it first comes on the market is more irritating. How about wanted to buy adverts, do you think it is ok to say "whatever is fair" "will pay fair price" what the hell is fair. Lets say I am looking to buy a bottom bracket second hand and am willing to pay a fair price, should I name my fair price or should the seller name his fair price. Keep coming all the haters of "offers" and I will check your whole history for the same kind of "offers" thread

[Rik]

Also you expect people to waste 10 min to think of a price when you cant be bothered to make an offer which would take 30 seconds, very strange.It's their sale, the buyers should be the ones making the effort as at they're the ones to end up with cash in their hands.

[gregru]

It's their sale, the buyers should be the ones making the effort as at they're the ones to end up with cash in their hands.
I have to agree with you there, the buyers need to make some effort as well. I I have found that the time wasters generally waste the time of people with prices displayed, try the haggle then dont buy a thing. If it is open for offer it is normally looked at by those who want a specific item/bike:)

[Air time erik]

As I see it this is the same issue as, getting every seller to post a picture of a item they are trying to sell in their thread. IMO its the sellers choice to post up a price they wont for the item or not to post a price. Most people know the price of the product they are looking for.

doesnt take that long to click on the PM link, offer someone the price you want to pay and get there feedback!

Also you expect people to waste 10 min to think of a price when you cant be bothered to make an offer which would take 30 seconds

If it takes you ten minutes to think of a price of a item your wanting to buy, well I will just leave it at that

How about wanted to buy adverts, do you think it is ok to say "whatever is fair" "will pay fair price" what the hell is fair. Lets say I am looking to buy a bottom bracket second hand and am willing to pay a fair price, should I name my fair price or should the seller name his fair price. Keep coming all the haters of "offers" and I will check your whole history for the same kind of "offers" thread

Yes i think it is ok to say "willing to pay whats fair"/ "will pay what its worth, example , say the Bottom bracket isnt worth what the person wanting to buy it is offering, and the seller sees them as a easy target.

[gregru]

As I see it this is the same issue as, getting every seller to post a picture of a item they are trying to sell in their thread. IMO its the sellers choice to post up a price they wont for the item or not to post a price. Most people know the price of the product they are looking for.

doesnt take that long to click on the PM link, offer someone the price you want to pay and get there feedback!



If it takes you ten minutes to think of a price of a item your wanting to buy, well I will just leave it at that



Yes i think it is ok to say "willing to pay whats fair"/ "will pay what its worth, example , say the Bottom bracket isnt worth what the person wanting to buy it is offering, and the seller sees them as a easy target.does not take me 10 mins to think of a price, read further back in the thread to see who suggested this. Dont really understand what you are getting at in the second bit.:confused:

[Shorerider]

so, you will make offers if a price is listed but wont make an offer if people ask you to:confused:

Yes, thats how most of my trading has been done. First the seller lists a "Starting" price, then the buyer and seller go back and forth until an agreed price has been met by both parties. It does say "Price". "Offers" is not a price.


I would prefer people to offer me a small price than try to beat me down by 20% of my asking price, now thats pretty rude I think.

But what if that "small price" is 20% - or more - less than the price you're looking for? Wouldn't that be the same thing???:confused:


Keep coming all the haters of "offers" and I will check your whole history for the same kind of "offers" thread

Go right ahead!!!!!! (Although very childish in my opinion)


It's their sale, the buyers should be the ones making the effort as at they're the ones to end up with cash in their hands.

Um :confused:, aren't the sellers "the ones to end up with cash in their hands"??? Or have I been doing it wrong all this time??


I have found that the time wasters generally waste the time of people with prices displayed, try the haggle then dont buy a thing. If it is open for offer it is normally looked at by those who want a specific item/bike:)

In my opinion, I think the opposite is true. Putting "Offers" instead of a "Price" is like playing Darts in the dark!!!!


Another 2 cents, Shorerider.

[gregru]

Yes, thats how most of my trading has been done. First the seller lists a "Starting" price, then the buyer and seller go back and forth until an agreed price has been met by both parties. It does say "Price". "Offers" is not a price.




But what if that "small price" is 20% - or more - less than the price you're looking for? Wouldn't that be the same thing???:confused:




Go right ahead!!!!!! (Although very childish in my opinion)




Um :confused:, aren't the sellers "the ones to end up with cash in their hands"??? Or have I been doing it wrong all this time??




In my opinion, I think the opposite is true. Putting "Offers" instead of a "Price" is like playing Darts in the dark!!!!


Another 2 cents, Shorerider.Well it appears that everybody who asks for offers are to cowardly to defend themselves, I have expained my reasons but I expected a bit of back up from the people like myself. I know its childish but if people have asked for offers before they should not be complaining. As stated before from me, its not all about the money its about riding and helping others to do the same. If I think something is good I will ask how much it is, if the price is right I will buy it for asking price, no haggle, if to dear I just say no. This is probably the last of me in this thread as I wont go on defending people who dont stick up for themselves. My last words are "if they want offers and you want a price just ask

[daever]

some people use "offers" as a way to chance it and get more money for an item than what its worth, these people are annoying and should be culled. It doesn't get your sale anywhere because your obviously putting a stake in trying to get more for it and naturally a buyer wants it for less. So don't be offended if you get dumb offers when you make an even dumber request. Despite this, you do get honest people that don't really know what they should sell an item at and ask for offers. If this were the case, as far as I'm concerned that means its either rare or a highly customized item that actually has a price thats hard to guage.

It's pretty simple, Figure out how much YOU would pay for the item your selling and shoot a little higher to account for haggle-tax and then both parties are happy. you've sold your item at the price you want, and the other person has a story to tell his freinds about how crafty he is :D