Rock is Dead? Paper and scisssor live on!

[RYDA]

OK guys, I am a devoted rock and roll fan and always will be.

Do you think the status of rock music dying slowly compared with the absolute god like figures of the yester year such as, Gus Young and Jimi Hendrix?

Like the other day all my mates at cricket were listenening to there 50 cent/justin timberlake crap and asked me why i haed their music so much.

I then explained to them all the sick as bands that are included in my itunes library. (AC/DC, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppplin and so forth.)

And as a reply i got;

"Geez trent you are soo emo"

Now if that doesnt say anything bout what the media and that have done to my generation ill eat my hat.

Call me old fashioned at the age of 15. But how will rock regain its once legendary status?

[FR Drew]

When sales are driven by putting skimpy hip hop dancers into film clips and not from having quality music then yes, rock is dead.

Most of what has come in the last decade has been pretty forgettable.

Of course it could be argued that much from the previous decades was also pretty forgettable, we only remember the standout stuff, not the filler.

Most songs today aren't stairway to heaven, but neither were most songs back then.

You also need to bear in mind that the number of truly skilled artists around today is probably no higher but the morass of filler you have to wade through is far greater. Higher noise for the same size signal.

[johnny]

How can rock be dead when we see the success of bands like Wolfmother, Muse, tool and Jet? There's farking heaps of new rock out there.

[FR Drew]

Given that Wolfmother are little more than a Sabbath Clone I'd hardly call it "new". More "alarmingly derivative".
(Personal opinion obviously. That's not to say that I don't like it, but I like that era Sabbath stuff too)

I mean, will people be listening to "classics" from the 90's and 0's in the future?

[konasaurus]

you just dont look in the right places

[Customjimmy]

Rock is not dead. It's just that most of the listening public are very, very ill.

[RYDA]

you just dont look in the right places

probably true.

but i have come across some local bands that are awesome i must say and also this following duo:

tell me this doesnt bring back memory of jimi hendrix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQnZ-PZEh8Q&feature=related

[TheBofh]

It's easier to market a pop group with pre-packaged hits than to develop a rock band over time. Many bands including AC/DC, REM, U2, Powderfinger, Nirvana, (Bleach was good but hardly anyone bought it until after Nevermind was a hit), took a couple of albums to establish themselves. These days record companies are expecting huge returns on the first release so they tend to steer away from rock bands unless they can guarantee an immediate success. The advent of artists releasing their material directly to the public may change this again. It will take a while for the media to follow though.

[RYDA]

It's easier to market a pop group with pre-packaged hits than to develop a rock band over time. Many bands including AC/DC, REM, U2, Powderfinger, Nirvana, (Bleach was good but hardly anyone bought it until after Nevermind was a hit), took a couple of albums to establish themselves. These days record companies are expecting huge returns on the first release so they tend to steer away from rock bands unless they can guarantee an immediate success. The advent of artists releasing their material directly to the public may change this again. It will take a while for the media to follow though.

yeah mate that is bloody brillant. so true!

haha bleach is mad album by the way

[roasted]

Rock is not dead, just look harder. Commercial success has very little to do with musical talent or integrity. And good pop exists. The latest JT record rules, and there is heaps of quality pop punk (as opposed to homogenous, mass produced soft rock) such as the flakes, the spazzys etc, you just need to know where to look.

Also, who cares about what 'status' music has? It is entirely subjective, so noone can tell you what is right and wrong to listen to.

[Oddjob]

Have you guys been hiding under a rock or is this some bullshit rose tinted whine?

Radiohead and Queens of The Stone Age could legitamately claim to one of the all time greatest rock bands.
The new wave produced a whole heap of excellent rock bands including Bloc Party, Maximo Park, The Kaiser Chiefs, Franz Ferdinand and The Arctic Monkeys.
The New York scene continues to churn out talent like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Interpol, Les Savy Fav.
Australia has also recently seen or will see, The Pixes, The Editors, Broken Social Scene, Silversun Pickups, Snow Patrol, The Arcade Fire, The Shins, The Cold War Kids, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Smashing Pumpkins, The Rapture, The Go! Team etc etc.You guys just need to get out more!

[RYDA]

woops.
Its just that people(general public) these days think rock is something of the past.

like you take 10 people from the street and ask them what does indie rock mean or what AC/DC song featured bagpipes. i rekon only 3 or so could tell you a half decent anwer

[roasted]

LOOK AT THE POST ABOVE YOU MAN.

there is the commercial rock scene!

[TheBofh]

LOOK AT THE POST ABOVE YOU MAN.

there is the commercial rock scene!I think he is trying to say that Rock isn't the mainstay of popular music anymore like it was in the heyday of the '70s. The bands I mentioned probably would find it hard to get signed by a major label if they were starting out now with the material they had then, eg REM, (songs about gardening, herons, murmuring..... get out of my office you Elmer Fudd sounding weirdo).

[JakeGorey]

I then explained to them all the sick as bands that are included in my itunes library. (AC/DC, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppplin and so forth.)

legendary status?

Firstly you spelt "Zeppelin" wrong. But i agree, best music of all time and it is starting to die, im 15 as well, as i write this i am in a Led Zeppelin shirt haha. I was watching "Just Shoot Me" on foxtel the other day and in the adverts i turned the channel over to a one hit wonder countdown.. Who do you think i saw? Jimi Hendrix with "all along the watch tower"!! I was so angry! And what makes me even angrier are copies of old classics like Supertramps "Breakfast in America" which was remade by Gym Class hero's and D'yer Mak'er by Led Zeppelin being copied by sean kingston, its foul!!

[red death]

... old classics like Supertramps "Breakfast in America"...

ummm :confused:

[shredder dj]

Hey guys, I'm also a devoted rock fan, and no it's not dead, yet.

Metallica are still bringing out a new album and Jet have released an album a while back, and has anybody ever heard of Airbourne, if not go and buy their album Runnin' Wild. They're great and kinda like AC/DC but a bit heavier!

Now the only reason that Rock isn't as big as it was in the 70's is that it was one of the only types of music around. Now we have stuff like Hip-Hop and Rap which in my opinion is crap.

So Rock isn't dead or dying, it's just had to be mixed in with all the other new-age crap :p

[FR Drew]

Oh give me a break, metallica haven't released anything worth listening to since Justice and they definitely peaked with Puppets. They've been going through the motions ever since.

If there's any new album I wouldn't be hanging out for the release of it'll be whatever next gets gurged up by metallica.

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

Given that Wolfmother are little more than a Sabbath Clone I'd hardly call it "new". More "alarmingly derivative".
(Personal opinion obviously. That's not to say that I don't like it, but I like that era Sabbath stuff too)

I think the important thing about Wolfmother (and also the level of hype about Zep's reformation) is that there is still a HUGE demand for old school rock and as Johnny and Oddjob have pointed out the huge success of bands like Muse, Tool, The Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs etc. not to mention the ongoing popularity in Australia of bands like Silverchair and Grinspoon show that it's far from dying out.

Rocks definitely not dead, it's just that it's now got younger siblings called Hip-Hop and Dance that are taking up some of the limelight but there's no need to be jealous. The eldest child usually gets the most respect...

[Joel O]

... has anybody ever heard of Airbourne, if not go and buy their album Runnin' Wild. pregrettably i got to motorhead a bit too early and saw the end of airbourne earlier this year. they seem to have the right idea, just a tad boring and predictable

on the other hand, Lemmy's still got it. living proof that TRUE rock legends don't die!

[contagion]

I then explained to them all the sick as bands that are included in my itunes library. (AC/DC, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppplin and so forth.)

And as a reply i got;

"Geez trent you are soo emo"

Please, please hit them for me... with a baseball bat.

[wombat]

regrettably i got to motorhead a bit too early and saw the end of airbourne earlier this year. they seem to have the right idea, just a tad boring and predictable

on the other hand, Lemmy's still got it. living proof that TRUE rock legends don't die!
I saw all of their set before Motorhead, and I was honestly waiting for them to break into "Sex Farm" or "Big Bottom".

[TH3RM0]

How can rock be dead when we see the success of bands like Wolfmother, Muse, tool and Jet? There's farking heaps of new rock out there.

Exactly - As long as Muse are around, rock ain't dead - and I'm happy :D

I do love my muse :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W2jXFSpjf8

[-Jordan-]

Please, please hit them for me... with a baseball bat.

Woah man... no need to get all emo about it...



:p

I do love my muse

Took my time, but finally started listening to them - great band.

[downhillboy]

rock aint dead im not sure how many of you lisen to black metal death metal etc.i don't mind bands like metalica or wolfmother there prety good so i rekon rock is gona be arond for ages

[NCR600]

Jet have released an album a while back, and has anybody ever heard of Airbourne, if not go and buy their album Runnin' Wild. They're great and kinda like AC/DC but a bit heavier!



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[foes.fly.rida]

sex sells...that is all

[dweeze]

Rock's not dead - if anything, it is undergoing a resurgence recently. Rock peeps mourned the death of rock in the 70s when disco kicked in; punk sorted that out. Early 80s saw rock on top then, late 80s, techno hit the mainstream (and I cried foul, cos all the rock gigs turned into nightclubs). Indie rock then went mainstream in the early 90s (the day I heard Nevermind for the first time I just knew it would be big (& I was kinda spewing cos I loved being an elitist wanker who ONLY listened to cool underground toons)) and rock went big again.

All this time, pop(ular) music has been 90% pap, styled around whatever the popular fads are. When rock is in, pop follows; when boy bands are in, pop follows...etc, etc.

Fret not, rock wont ever go away. Jazz didn't, soul didn't, funk didn't, country didn't, hip-hop probably wont, dance music (in all its forms) didn't. Certain genres may rise or wane in popularity but, if they ever had any merit, they will always come back some time. Such is fashion...

BTW, why are you hanging out with Timberlake fans, anyway? ;)

[RYDA]

Rock's not dead - if anything, it is undergoing a resurgence recently. Rock peeps mourned the death of rock in the 70s when disco kicked in; punk sorted that out. Early 80s saw rock on top then, late 80s, techno hit the mainstream (and I cried foul, cos all the rock gigs turned into nightclubs). Indie rock then went mainstream in the early 90s (the day I heard Nevermind for the first time I just knew it would be big (& I was kinda spewing cos I loved being an elitist wanker who ONLY listened to cool underground toons)) and rock went big again.

All this time, pop(ular) music has been 90% pap, styled around whatever the popular fads are. When rock is in, pop follows; when boy bands are in, pop follows...etc, etc.

Fret not, rock wont ever go away. Jazz didn't, soul didn't, funk didn't, country didn't, hip-hop probably wont, dance music (in all its forms) didn't. Certain genres may rise or wane in popularity but, if they ever had any merit, they will always come back some time. Such is fashion...

BTW, why are you hanging out with Timberlake fans, anyway? ;)


aha true. I'm a die hard Nirvana fan owning everything they made even the boxset, with the lights out.

but umm yeah i had to cause they were in my cricket team.

but they seem to be everywhere rock haters

[NCR600]

Rock and Roll is not dead. Rock and Roll will never die. Rock is not the commercial pap dished out by large record labels, not the massive stadium acts of the 70's and 80's, and it certainly did not die with Kurt Cobain, Jimi or Bonzo.

Real rock and Roll is still to be found in small clubs, pubs, garages and suburban bedrooms all over the world. Despite what the commercial labels might think, rock and roll is rarely a marketable commodity, and in this day and age anything deemed marketable by a major label is almost certainly fake rock, or at the very least a very watered down version of the real thing, sort of like the way alcopops are a pissweak version of hard liquor.

It's not that most people hate rock, it's just that most people don't like music that much. Sure they'll go to a show, buy whatever records they hear on the commercial radio or TV video hits shows, but when you get down to it, they're just not that into music. They don't think about it much, pay much attention to it, and certainly don't want to be challenged by it. So you get "safe" acts that are nothing more than the musical equivalent of McDonalds, and of course, like a Mcdonalds in a shopping centre food court, has a huge queue of people waiting to buy their crap, whilst the excellent little Kebab shop or Noodle bar has 2 customers apeice.

Having said that, the golden age for Rock music is right now. With the internet, finding interesting bands to listen to has NEVER been easier. A few clicks and you're on some obscure band from Ohio's myspace listening to their music. Another couple of clicks and you've bought their record, or a digital facsimile of, downloaded direct to your computer.

Beats the long time practise of buying specialist music magazines, reading reviews and then ordering records with oout ever having heard them on the strength of a review alone.

And personally I couldn't care less if mainstream rock shrivelled up and died. It's no longer considered marketable. Would AC/DC get signed today? No of course bloody not. Don't be stupid. basic blues rock, with a guitarist that dresses as a schoolboy! And they're all UGLY and HAIRY.

However I do believe AC/DC would still be playing music, the same music, probably have a small but loyal following on the pub scene, a myspace page and maybe even supporting the marketable prettyboys in Jet and The Vines.

Rock is not dead. It's not even sick.
Check this thread I posted about the underground heavy rock scene in America. It's there, and it's all over the country, but is totally ignored by the mainstream media, which is just fine by me.

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=112173

[Joel O]

Rock is not dead. It's not even sick.
Check this thread I posted about the underground heavy rock scene in America. It's there, and it's all over the country, but is totally ignored by the mainstream media, which is just fine by me.

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=112173
exactly, the day i go to a show and it is swarmed with the 'in' crowd will be the day rock dies*

probably gonna get a few arcing up here but, i'm thinking sort of like daft punk today, they've been doing some really cool shit for a long time almost unnoticed, all of a sudden music festivals become popular and now they're the coolest thing around...

*and by dies i don't actually mean dies, more like gags on its own vomit a little bit or something

[Lanky Love]

Call me old fashioned at the age of 15. But how will rock regain its once legendary status?

well one way is to form a band.

and also, what your refering too is classic rock which has had its time. yes i long for those days as well and occasionaly a band comes along that can remind you of those days like wolfmother and guns and roses (when they had slash) to a degree.
but i wouldnt say rock is dead, Muse are one of the most amazing bands ive ever heard and i would put them in the catagry of rock, and theres also the dandy warhols and the black rebel motorcycle club still sounding farily old. but theres bands like bloc party and the arctic monkeys who are both on the more popy side of rock but are still great bands and you cant go past the arcade fire. so although your classic definition of rock is as strong as it was there are some great bands creating hope for music.

[NCR600]

OK guys, I am a devoted rock and roll fan and always will be.

Do you think the status of rock music dying slowly compared with the absolute god like figures of the yester year such as, Gus Young and Jimi Hendrix?

Like the other day all my mates at cricket were listenening to there 50 cent/justin timberlake crap and asked me why i haed their music so much.

I then explained to them all the sick as bands that are included in my itunes library. (AC/DC, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppplin and so forth.)

And as a reply i got;

"Geez trent you are soo emo"

Now if that doesnt say anything bout what the media and that have done to my generation ill eat my hat.

Call me old fashioned at the age of 15. But how will rock regain its once legendary status?

Actually I've just re read your OP and dude, you're 15 (don't take that as an insult, you write well, and I can't yet see you through the screen!)
You probably can't remember a time before the internets. You're probably more computer literate than me or any of the other old fogeys here.

What the hell are you doing listening to AC/DC, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppplin and then whining about the old days that happened before you were born. Sure love those bands, exactly as I loved those bands (well, not Nirvana) but they were well past their prime when I was 15!

Get off Farkin, and go and actively search for new, current bands to listen to. There are THOUSANDS out there. Be part of the solution, not the problem. Discover new bands. Actively promote them to your friends. Make rock great again. Make it commercially viable for promoters to have shows in the outer suburbs.

Go. It's up to you to make rock and roll great. Without kids discovering and supporting bands rock and roll is nothing.

[JakeGorey]

ummm :confused:

Yeah? As if it isnt a classic.

[syphon_the_python]

haha yeah gotta agree with NCR600 on this one. Sure, there are loads of great bands whose music is timeless (hey, I'm a fan of zeppelin, the stones, AC/DC, Hendrix, Credence etc), but make sure you don't turn into your parents and have a wah about new music. Get out there and enjoy the new stuff too, theres plenty of killer stuff that's current.

I've seen plenty of people my age-ish (17) who have fallen into the same trap. Remember, parents of "the good old days" discouraged zeppelin, the beatles and other music now considered classic, some of the best rock ever. Something would be a little wrong if we end up listening exclusively to our old folk's fave bands.


My 2c

[Rider15]

I then explained to them all the sick as bands that are included in my itunes library. (AC/DC, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppplin and so forth.)

And as a reply i got;

"Geez trent you are soo emo"


If your friends call all those bands emo, I think its time to start looking for some new friends.

[RYDA]

Actually I've just re read your OP and dude, you're 15 (don't take that as an insult, you write well, and I can't yet see you through the screen!)
You probably can't remember a time before the internets. You're probably more computer literate than me or any of the other old fogeys here.

What the hell are you doing listening to AC/DC, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppplin and then whining about the old days that happened before you were born. Sure love those bands, exactly as I loved those bands (well, not Nirvana) but they were well past their prime when I was 15!

Get off Farkin, and go and actively search for new, current bands to listen to. There are THOUSANDS out there. Be part of the solution, not the problem. Discover new bands. Actively promote them to your friends. Make rock great again. Make it commercially viable for promoters to have shows in the outer suburbs.

Go. It's up to you to make rock and roll great. Without kids discovering and supporting bands rock and roll is nothing.





mate i have and guess what ive found some great local acts from the Triple J unearthed website

bands such as:

The Sips from Brisbane
Dont Stop Me Now from Bundaberg.

the only thing is all their gigs are 18+.

so its a bit hard for me at the moment isnt it!

[Elbo]

Two years ago a lot of my mates turned their backs on Rock & Roll and picked up this Justin Timberlake, Kanye West, 50 Cent rubbish.
One of my mates was a serious AC/DC fan, walls were covered with Posters and owned almost every damn song they ever released. Once he turned 18, he started hitting the clubs, this introduced him to the Hip-Hop, Techno, Dance crap that is taking over the young. Now he won't even listen to AC/DC. You used to scroll through the list of artists on his iPod and see a lot of respectable artists. Now you go through his iPod and all the artists are along these sort of lines "Kanye West feat. JT mixed by DJ Fez (club remix)" What the Hell!!

And no, it's not dead, look at Jet, Lenny Kravitz, Foo Fighters and even Ben Harper & the Innocent Criminals have some great stuff. If you listen to these and other similar artists you will realise that Rock & Roll isn't dead, it's just on the bottom of the ocean floor under litres and litres of pop, hip-hop, dance, techno, electronica and rap.

[RYDA]

Also for the people that think I think rock n roll is dead.

I Dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just asking what you think.

check out this band guys!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=12308753

[Frazzle]

Im very dissapointed...

I came into this thread expecting a replacement for rock in the game scissor, paper, rock :(

[Elbo]

Im very dissapointed...

I came into this thread expecting a replacement for rock in the game scissor, paper, rock :(

If that's what you're after, you obviously haven't seen Rock, paper, saddam (http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/flash/) Tiger Hand and Pen Missile are substitutes.

[Martin.au]

Rock isn't dead, you just have to find the right sources.

I'd recommend trying:

Muse (First time in years I've been to any concert. They were awesome.)
The Killers
The Black Keys
Rocket Science
The Mess Hall

Not all of them are "stadium acts" but I'm pretty sure they fit the rock genre.

[Ham]

Hey guys, I'm also a devoted rock fan, and no it's not dead, yet.

Metallica are still bringing out a new album and Jet have released an album a while back, and has anybody ever heard of Airbourne, if not go and buy their album Runnin' Wild. They're great and kinda like AC/DC but a bit heavier!

Now the only reason that Rock isn't as big as it was in the 70's is that it was one of the only types of music around. Now we have stuff like Hip-Hop and Rap which in my opinion is crap.

So Rock isn't dead or dying, it's just had to be mixed in with all the other new-age crap :p

no dont listen to airbourne listen to the real runnin wild.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5RhJ2hBNerc

pirate rock for the win.

[LIAM?!]

It's a true fact that we are becoming the youth of yesterday, looking back on what made music what it is (rock especially) and that most bands nowdays reflect on the music in the past as there main influences, music is a wide, wide domain and you can keep searching for the perfect band and never find it, that's how big it is. If you want old rock being reformed into new rock you need to watch tv shows on channel SBS and ABC, one's that dont get as much public following douche bags, like 10 and 7 who just want popular propaganda bullshit and mtv to fit in with the rest of the fucking world.

[Danr]

It's not that most people hate rock, it's just that most people don't like music that much. Sure they'll go to a show, buy whatever records they hear on the commercial radio or TV video hits shows, but when you get down to it, they're just not that into music. They don't think about it much, pay much attention to it, and certainly don't want to be challenged by it. So you get "safe" acts that are nothing more than the musical equivalent of McDonalds, and of course, like a Mcdonalds in a shopping centre food court, has a huge queue of people waiting to buy their crap, whilst the excellent little Kebab shop or Noodle bar has 2 customers apeice.

spot on, spot on!

the epitome of this would have to be (insert country name here) idol. People have to now win first prize in a competition to become a famous voice-overer (cause thats what they are), they cant just be good and become famous by their own merits. atleast the majority of rock doesn't attract this consumer group, they can have it for all i care. they've also got their fangs in hip-hop, 50 cent (no he doesn't write his own shit anymore) kanye(sp?) west (entire fanbase composed of teenage females, not bad for him i spose) are shining examples, its all about record sales, image, product placement, top 40s etc.

Do you think the status of rock music dying slowly compared with the absolute god like figures of the yester year

Rock isn't dying, as long as you've got people with taste in music, same thing applies for hip-hop, rap etc. theres plenty of underground movements / non-mainstream stuff and there always will be. Its just not mainstream, we've got great musicians still workin hard out there, dave grohl (nirvana, foo fighters), josh homme (kyuss, queens of the stoneage), billy corgan (smashing pumpkins) and some new comers. the beatles, hendrix, zepplin, pink floyd were what some would consider mainstream back in the day, today rock has taken a step to the side to let pop take the mainstream, which is pretty good considering what the mainstream is about these days.

:D siamese dream, best. album. ever.

[NCR600]

mate i have and guess what ive found some great local acts from the Triple J unearthed website

bands such as:

The Sips from Brisbane
Dont Stop Me Now from Bundaberg.

the only thing is all their gigs are 18+.

so its a bit hard for me at the moment isnt it!

I'm truly sorry about the underage thing. It does make it hard when you want to go to shows and can't get in.

You obviously have a fairly decent taste in music, so I'll make it easy for you.

Here's a list of modern rock bands you may like. They all have myspace pages, so go check the songs they have up, then check out who's on their top friends list. You can go for days doing this.

Clutch
Fu Manchu
Orange Goblin
Solace
Brant Bjork
Kyuss (precursor to Queens of the Stone age, who well and truly screwed the pooch)
Monster Magnet
Truckfighters
Scissorfight

Seriously, there is so much good stuff out there, and it goes far deeper than JJJ unearthed could ever hope to showcase.

Hell, because I'm in such a good mood, I'll burn a CD sampler for anyone who cares to Bmail me their postal address. (Offer ends when my good humour does, so hurry!)

[Rik]

Whenever anyone claims any music "scene" is dead I disregard them as a jaded fan who isn't passionate enough to put effort in to find new music.
There's so much awesome stuff happening all the time and to constantly look back and say "it'll never be the same again" is just denying yourself the opportunity to explore something new that may be just as good.

[gravelclimber]

Musical styles don't die - they evolve into something different. Every style of music has its halcyon days though. There's still some good rock around but it'll never be like the seventies again. Same as classical music - there's probably some good modern composers around but there aren't any Mozart's or Beethoven's. The social conditions for that produce those sorts of artists have changed - now the equivalent visionaries are probably doing electronica or something. The pool of people doing rock as we think of it now (as apposed to what it evolves into) will grow smaller and smaller and, accordingly, you're gonna get less and less good stuff. Such is life.

[Rik]

now the equivalent visionaries are probably doing electronica or something.:eek: Don't say that, we all know electronic music isn't real music!

[Ben_9]

:eek: Don't say that, we all know electronic music isn't real music!

Oh please.

[MasterOfReality]

Rock isn't dead.

Heaps of new bands out there and the old ones are doing a roaring trade.

Look at the recent Heaven and Hell tour. Old farts with zero advertising yet they pulled respectable crowds in Australia. In the States they are selling out 15,000 - 20,000 seat arena's.

When Black Sabbath reunited in 1997/1998, their world tour and the subsequent Ozzfest was one of the highest grossing tours of the year, knocking off all that commercial pop rubbish. Granted, it might be more metal than rock, but nevertheless its still relevant.

People went rabid when Led Zep announced the reformation concert.

Wolfmother are having a decent go as well.

For some reason I am also really getting into Dallas Crane too.

My vote for the best 'new' rock/metal band goes to Kyuss.

[TheBofh]

Whenever anyone claims any music "scene" is dead I disregard them as a jaded fan who isn't passionate enough to put effort in to find new music.
There's so much awesome stuff happening all the time and to constantly look back and say "it'll never be the same again" is just denying yourself the opportunity to explore something new that may be just as good.There was a period starting in the mid-late '90s that put me off buying music; I was buying a lot of CD's but finding out that they had 1 or 2 good songs, 2 mediocre tracks & 10 tracks of filler put me off so much I gave up looking for new stuff & concentrated on filling up my back catalogue of bands I already liked. Bands/record companies are finding they can't get away with that crap anymore as consumers will just download exactly what they want. I'm even listening to some new stuff now although it's at least 10 years since I've read NME.

[jackmac91]

I am a passionate rock and roll fan!
Rock is not dead, It's just being more or less ignored by the major labels because of the simple fact that its just not the *in thing* right now.
Rock and roll used to be the life blood of the music industry, but unfortunatly for the true fans of rock the industry is just a buisness out to make as much money as possible and while rock isn't the cool thing to be listening to, it will never be promoted to the general pubilc.
But hey! since when was rock'n'roll about selling records...
Most of the younger generations of today will swallow whatever is crammed into their head by the media, and since its not rock being promoted it will be ignored by all those who aren't don't truly love it.

[Ben_9]

Rock IS Dead.

[roasted]

:eek: Don't say that, we all know electronic music isn't real music!I could recreate anything any dj does on on windows sound recorder, just by mashing keys!

[johnny]

I don't think rock is dead and it certainly hasn't been replaced by that battery powered electronic shite. That stuff isn't even music and takes absolutely no talent at all to make. Give me one of those Duracel bunnies and mobile phone and I'll make as much of it as you want. Talentless tripe! Come in spinner...

[Oddjob]

I don't think rock is dead and it certainly hasn't been replaced by that battery powered electronic shite. That stuff isn't even music and takes absolutely no talent at all to make. Give me one of those Duracel bunnies and mobile phone and I'll make as much of it as you want. Talentless tripe! Come in spinner...

Troll! 12345678

[roasted]

Don't ruin our fun!

[Benzy]

I get the shits when people who mix two records together, or loop 4 bars 100 times call themselves musicians... They have very little creative input and doing so requires no talent when compared to learning an instrument...

I say rock isn't dead but has taken a back seat to a more marketable product aimed at a more impressionable age group... Even if rock was dead (which it will never be), there has been more than enough rock produced over the past 30-40 years to satisfy even the most discerning tastes.

[Breaka]

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Here's a list of modern rock bands you may like. They all have myspace pages, so go check the songs they have up, then check out who's on their top friends list. You can go for days doing this.

Clutch
Fu Manchu
Orange Goblin
Solace
Brant Bjork
Kyuss (precursor to Queens of the Stone age, who well and truly screwed the pooch)
Monster Magnet
Truckfighters
Scissorfight


I just had a look in the stoner/fuzz genre section in my iPod.

There lies in order:

Ahkmed
Brant Bjork
Clutch
Fu Manchu
Kyuss
Scissorfight
Slo Burn
The Union

All of which I can recommend....that's quite obvious though, they wouldn't be sitting in there in I couldn't recommend them :)

[Joy]

no dont listen to airbourne listen to the real runnin wild.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5RhJ2hBNerc

pirate rock for the win.

I was thinking the exact same thing....:)

[NCR600]

Did someone say Pirate Metal?

At least these guys look the part (If pirates had their clothes made by their mum/girlfriend)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hxAizn4T_2s

[konasaurus]

Budgie is touring aus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54H3EUAzpVg


rock isnt dead

[NCR600]

Budgie is touring aus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54H3EUAzpVg


rock isnt dead

If I wasn't so broke, I'd already have tickets.

Very under appreciated band.

[Bakes]

i cant believe some of the stuff i am reading!!

people saying rock isnt dead because of bands such as jet, wolfmother, arctic monkeys ect ect??????

Jesus people these bands are mearly karaoke immitations of the greats!

i had the shithouse task of sitting through one of jets sets while waiting for tool at the Big Day Out last year and couldnt believe how bad they sounded.
Every song sounded the same, an AC DC riff followed by a OHH YEAAH from there incompetant front man!!! it was a disgrace to Australian rock and roll!!!

need i go on about the wanna be beatles and Led Zeps???

just 3 examples of the many 'Rock" bands being sold to our generation...pfft

there are still massive bands out there like NIN, Tool, The Mars Volta, Disterbed, ect. but they are not well known to the general public and the younger generation are oblivious to the real masters of rock!

[Rik]

NIN, Tool, The Mars Volta, Disterbed, ect. but they are not well known to the general publicOh my...

I guess it depends which angle you look from :o

[Rex Everything]

Scratch the surface, find something that makes you rock out, embrace it!

Simple. Rock isn't dead, there are always plenty of bands taking music to unknown grounds or simply relying on used formulas with a new twist to make great albums.

Bands that I believe are keeping rock (and more so just alternative music) alive include: Between The Buried and Me, Mastodon, Dinosaur Jr.(latest album), Arcade Fire, Battle etc.

Plenty of great aussie rock bands kicking around too such as Children Collide, Witch Hats, The Panics and Wolf and Cub etc

[roasted]

Bakes, you are falling for the hype if the rock bands of today you are jocking are TOOL, TMV etc. Well known, well publicised bands, and you lament throwback bands as being the scourge of rock?

As for the younger generations not knowing about 'classic' rock bands, if you are over thirteen you have generally heard of Led Zep etc. These bands cop ridiculous amounts of press given most of them broke up more than twenty years ago, or have put out a bunch of shit records since. Just because some people don't listen to rock does NOT mean they are oblivious to it's existence.

[NCR600]

Bakes, you are falling for the hype if the rock bands of today you are jocking are TOOL, TMV etc. Well known, well publicised bands, and you lament throwback bands as being the scourge of rock?

As for the younger generations not knowing about 'classic' rock bands, if you are over thirteen you have generally heard of Led Zep etc. These bands cop ridiculous amounts of press given most of them broke up more than twenty years ago, or have put out a bunch of shit records since. Just because some people don't listen to rock does NOT mean they are oblivious to it's existence.

S'all right mate, we''ll learn him. He likes Kyuss, which is a good start!

[MasterOfReality]

My mate's band Stone Ox is one of Budgie's supporting acts.

[RCOH]

The ohter day I listened to the entire catalogue of Fugazi in a row from 1st release to last, in order. Fugazi rule.

I also listened to The Mars Volta, the whole album of 'Francis the Mule' the whole way through for the 1st time & was decidedly less than impressed. Then I listened to 'This station is non operational' by ATDI & was very impressed.


'Battles' kicks ass though, for some reason I think it is great dinner party music?

[Breaka]

I also listened to The Mars Volta, the whole album of 'Francis the Mule' the whole way through for the 1st time & was decidedly less than impressed. Then I listened to 'This station is non operational' by ATDI & was very impressed.


Out of At the Drive-In, The Mars Volta, De Facto and other associated acts I believe ATDI is by far the best out of them. I need to be in the right mood to listen to The Mars Volta otherwise it pisses me off, just because of it's intensity.

As for that dude from wolf mother sporting an afro, he can get fucked. Cedric Bixler-Zavala and Rodriguez-Lopez were before him kids.

[roasted]

It's a fucking hairstyle, it isn't patented or anything.

[Rik]

'Battles' kicks ass though, for some reason I think it is great dinner party music?If you're eating acid, maybe ;)

[Rex Everything]

The ohter day I listened to the entire catalogue of Fugazi in a row from 1st release to last, in order. Fugazi rule.

I also listened to The Mars Volta, the whole album of 'Francis the Mule' the whole way through for the 1st time & was decidedly less than impressed. Then I listened to 'This station is non operational' by ATDI & was very impressed.


'Battles' kicks ass though, for some reason I think it is great dinner party music?

Fuzgazi do indeed rule. Ive only got Steady Diet, Repeater and the Instrument Soundtrack. Was also listening to them the other day and think it's time to get the rest of thier albums.

Deloused in the Comatorium is my favourite Cedric-Omar release, the following TMV albums are all great but they have never managed hit that peak again.

Battles were awesome live, so many loops and such good drumming :)

[Bakes]

Deloused in the Comatorium is my favourite Cedric-Omar release, the following TMV albums are all great but they have never managed hit that peak again.



TMV are great and it is a huge ask for them to top Deloused in the comatorium!!

just like tool will never create anything as good as lateratus

or coheed and cambria writing anthing as good as Good Apollo Im Burning Star IV


wish they could tho! would be "TITS" as some drift pig would say!

[Bakes]

S'all right mate, we''ll learn him. He likes Kyuss, which is a good start!

HAHA i do indeed like kyuss and a very long list of rock, metal, hardcore, whatever you wanna label it.

i do realise there are huge amounts of good bands out there, especialy underground.

i think im just frustrated because the commercial world is clogging up the music industry with cheaply produced, unoriginal trash and its failing to give the underground talent a go. in this example i believe talented rock is DYING because the large bands wont be around for ever.