any Planet Shakers out there?

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Before you think of something else i am refering to the Christian conference held in Brisbane, Perth, Melbourne and Sydney.

Did you like the speakers?
Favorite?

I personally enjoyed Rienhard Boonke, seriously amazing.

Song thoughts?

Also posting this thread to see how many Christian riders are out there, if any?

['Ross]

Speak to [Matt], he loves the whole christianity thing. He claims to have recited the whole bible but I doubt it.

[daever]

just out of curiosity, was there a theme to it? like a fund raiser or somthing? what kind of entertainment did they have?

[l +Jarrod+ l]

just out of curiosity, was there a theme to it? like a fund raiser or somthing? what kind of entertainment did they have?


yeah the theme was Free. I dont want to bring up a argument but free because jesus died for our sins so we are free in Gods graceous love. Just in brisbane we raised thousands for world vision and alot of people sponsered children. The music was heaps good and entertainment isnt a ideal word of describing the fullfillment of boredom, as there was none and most were there for something alot better and bigger.

[NCR600]

I'm getting the most incredible sense of Deja vu.

[roasted]

Predicting a shitfight.

[Ham]

not a huge fan of planet shakers, im christian and i don't remember reading in the bible about making crap music, it kind of annoys me.

[Fusion]

not a huge fan of planet shakers, im christian and i don't remember reading in the bible about making crap music, it kind of annoys me.

Gold ^^

I'm not a christian, but I do find their ability to fund raise for decent charities quite amazing. It's the bible bashing nutjobs that I'm concerned about, but then again I guess you get nutjobs in every facet of society...

[Customjimmy]

I thought the music was good, but the ads were a bit much:D.

(sorry I'll be good and run along now)

[Rik]

alot of people sponsered childrenIf you have a product to sell I guess sponsorship can be a pretty effective way of getting it out there :D

(here we go again!)

[floody]

most were there for something alot better and bigger.

72 Virgins? Allah Akbah!

[l +Jarrod+ l]

not a huge fan of planet shakers, im christian and i don't remember reading in the bible about making crap music, it kind of annoys me.

Have you ever been? There is a whole lot more to the conference besides jumping around to the praise and worship songs.

[flying high dh killer]

I'll occasionally watch ACC (Australian Christian Channel) for a bit of a laugh. I like the guy who sounds like he's been gargling hydrochloric acid.

[JaRedy]

I went,
The music and shizz is a very small part of it, it's just there. Personally I thought the music was crap this year, but that's my oppinion.

The main reason I go is for the speakes, and just hanging out, when there's nothing on, you just hang out in teh city.

It's not a "bible lover's" convention where people dress up in white robes, and do the really slow boring hyms and stuff. I hate that stuff. Everything is done from a more modern point of view.

(I hope this doesn't turn into another e-religon fight...it always does)

[Doggy]

religion and politics are always gonna turn into a shitfight. There are so many varying views on them that people are always going to disagree. I wont state my view point on religion because its bound to offend you folk and carry on the e-shitfight

[floody]

You know, when I opened this thread, DC Talk - Jesus Is Still Alright With Me started playing in winamp.
I have no recollection of ever acquiring it.
I would have more expected trumpets from the heavens if there was some sort of message, but perhaps God works in mysterious ways.

[chu]

hahaha i can see where this thread is going to go...personally i dont get christianity or all the variations of it that are the same type of preaching in a different robe...i find that it all just contridicts itself...thats my point of view anyway

[l +Jarrod+ l]

I wen't,
The music and shizz is a very small part of it, it's just there. Personally I thought it was crap this year, but that's my oppinion.

The main reason I go is for the speakes, and just hanging out, when there's nothing on, you just hang out in teh city.

It's not a "bible lover's" convention where people dress up in white robes, and do the really slow boring hyms and stuff. I hate that stuff. Everything is done from a more modern point of view.

(I hope this doesn't turn into another e-religon fight...it always does)

yeah jared. You are the only bloke i know who went to shakers haha. didnt know that you didnt like it but.

Anyother christian riders out there??? or Planet Shakers

[floody]

Anyother christian riders out there???

Hold up, stop the Jeebus bus.

What the fuck is a "Christian Rider"?
Don't you fucking dare make my sport a religious thing.

[matnurb]

After just returning from the website... my belief that irrational fantacism wasnt cool is completely incorrect. All these years.

Mat.

[matnurb]

Hold up, stop the Jeebus bus.

What the fuck is a "Christian Rider"?
Don't you fucking dare make my sport a religious thing.

Are images of a gowned, pointy hatted, catholic types mounting niave young alter children coming to mind?

[chu]

Are images of a gowned, pointy hatted, catholic types mounting niave young alter children coming to mind?

what the fark? that is a bit wierd

[R33F]

What the fuck is a "Christian Rider"?.

Witnessing, Helping, Evangelizing, Encouraging, and Loving

as we P edal Our Way to Eternal Rewards!

Christian Cyclists of America (http://www.wheelpower.org/)

Go on Floody - click it - you know you want to !!

"do it my son - go forth and repent"



Don't you fucking dare make my sport a religious thing.

GOLD - can't stop laughing - tears in eyes....

[karlfaith]

What i don't get it this:

Jesus died for our sins.
So, technically, his death cancels out our sins which we commit.
There is no specification about what sins jesus supposedly died for, and WHO's sins they were.

I don't like religion.

[Customjimmy]

This mob was actually started by the son of Family First party founder Andrew Evans. I'll avoid pointing out the obvious flaws and inherent contradictions in these new pentacostal 'ministries' but invite everybody to research the political and financial links these places have.

If there is so much promise in the next life could you leave this one to the rest of us?

[Ryan]

The Jesus who dies for our sins was a big pussy anyway.

Cyborg Pirate Ninja Jesus can never die and travels the world on a rocket sled kicking the ass of sinners wherever they may be.

http://www.askaninja.com/system/files/images/Ninja%3DCyborg.preview.jpg

Praise be to Cyborg Pirate Ninja Jesus.

[NCR600]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e368/NCR600/fuckyoursins.jpg

[Doggy]

Are images of a gowned, pointy hatted, catholic types mounting niave young alter children coming to mind?

Sadly...that had popped into my head:D

[Stubags]

Yeah I'm a Christian Rider.
















































Christian Chicks are e-a-s-y :D

[floody]

Witnessing, Helping, Evangelizing, Encouraging, and Loving

as we P edal Our Way to Eternal Rewards!

Christian Cyclists of America (http://www.wheelpower.org/)

Go on Floody - click it - you know you want to !!




Please continue to pray about our need for the truck/camper.


With any luck God will drop one from the heavens, right in the middle of their peloton.

[daever]

this site is crazy imo: http://www.wayofthemaster.com/

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/b/b2/JesusLOL.jpg

[Alec McJo]

Fuck this thread is funny. The Way Of The Master is hilarious, remember seeing that at school once. The teacher didn't quite find it as funny as we did though, you know - being during Religion Class and all.

[Customjimmy]

Ha! I'd seen a couple of those Kirk Cameron clips and didn't know about the 'way of the master'. Laugh, I nearly shat. Personally I think Bruce Lee's 'way of the intercepting fist' might be a shade in front. Anyway, here's some more remorseless lampooning of the messiah.

[n00b]

You know, when I opened this thread, DC Talk - Jesus Is Still Alright With Me started playing in winamp.
I have no recollection of ever acquiring it.
I would have more expected trumpets from the heavens if there was some sort of message, but perhaps God works in mysterious ways.

I haven't laughed so hard in weeks! GOLD!

[Elbo]

Didn't go to the Planetshakers Conference but went to the Regional Event a few months ago, was pretty awesome. Our youth group went early and we met the youth guys and band and hung out for a while before the event. The band also had some question and answer time, and I was disappointed that everyone was asking questions about the music and whether or not their church should release a CD, this frustrated me, as I thought the questions would've been different. Obviously some people have got the wrong idea. At the event, the speaker was Pastor Chad Harding and he was pretty good. Different sort of preaching to our church but I was impressed that he actually read out of the Bible and his message was based on the Bible, not just some sort of story.

[Regan of Gong]

When I read the opening post to this thread, it seemed to ask a question of whether people had attended a Christian conference, not offer the Christian religion up to criticism and discussion.

Wow, you don't religion- may as well state it any thread on this forum because it doesn't belong in this thread either.

That being said, Cyborg Pirate Ninja Jesus did make me a LOL.

[n00b]

When I read the opening post to this thread, it seemed to ask a question of whether people had attended a Christian conference, not offer the Christian religion up to criticism and discussion.

Wow, you don't religion- may as well state it any thread on this forum because it doesn't belong in this thread either.

That being said, Cyborg Pirate Ninja Jesus did make me a LOL.

Or it could be seen as someone using this forum to "promote" their beliefs and or cause.
Do that on any public forum and as far as I am concerned your leaving yourself wide open to peoples criticisms and comments no matter what particular brand of belief/cause your talking about.

[Rik]

How coincidental that someone linked this (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:http%3A//www.fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx%3Farchive%3D1) on another forum tonight ;)

[Regan of Gong]

How coincidental that someone linked this (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:http%3A//www.fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx%3Farchive%3D1) on another forum tonight ;)

I have never read anything more scary. Surely some are jokes?

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Guys if your going to pay out religions and jesus go and make your own thread, and have a laugh in that.

When i said Christian riders all i meant was riders who ride a bike and live in faith at the same time in their life.

I only know of one rider who believes in jesus and lives it, so all i wanted to know if there were other riders out there doing the same thing.

Also i made this thread just to get some discussion happening on the planet shakers conference and infact the one rider i know who is a christian has allready made his opinion so thanks, but for all the others who ignored the first sentence which said this is referring to a discussion wich relates to certian peoples beliefs, go and criticize else where. So if their are anyother God driven people who ride bikes for a hobbie your welcome but other wise someone close this thread as it is just going to become a arguementive display to religions and God.

[Danr]

I have never read anything more scary. Surely some are jokes?

you would hope so, the one where the guy explains what it would be like if athiests were the majority.. well lets just say i couldn't breath at that point

for the christians out there in farkin land, sorry if your a mormon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6PDHDNMx5c

[roasted]

Rik, that link is frightening.

I have no idea about any of these modern ways of preaching, so I won't pretend to. I will however, state the obvious: The concept of spirituality may not be a bad thing, but no-one can say that blind faith is good.

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

Y'know, I 've gotta say MTBfox dude has a point. THis thread has been hi-jacked and turned into a Christian baiting thread and whilst I've got no love at all for organised religion I can't get past the hypocrisy of complaining about religion being rammed down your throat (as is done often in religious threads by many) whilst attacking religion in a thread that is not really that much different to any of the Death Metal/Techno/Fishing/Stamp collecting threads kicking about on here.

At the end of the day you don't have to read the thread so why not let the lads go on about it in peace.

Save your ammo for the proper debating threads...

(good link though Rik. fuck there are some absolute morons out there...)

[Customjimmy]

Fair enough. Forgive me.

[floody]

When i said Christian riders all i meant was riders who ride a bike and live in faith at the same time in their life.

I only know of one rider who believes in jesus and lives it, so all i wanted to know if there were other riders out there doing the same thing.


I'm glad we got that clear. Because, pretty sure Dale Holmes said it and I subscribe to the notion that if Jesus is pushing your pedals, you're cheating yourself.

I know quite a few guys who are very strong Christians and ride bikes, but I don't think they'd have identified themselves as Christian Riders, rather christians who ride, which was what you meant anyway. One guy is a solid enduro XC racer, another an awesome, OG flatlander, and another dude a competent trailrider and keen preacher/ministry student.

IMO, God has little to do with bikes/biking though. Its an awesome expression of wholely human endeavour in my mind.



The DC Talk thing was REAL!

[Alec McJo]

How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that

1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys

2.Even Darwin said his theories were wrong before he died so why do you still believe them

3.do you really not believe the bible it says we were created in seven days not millions of years

4.how come we cant speak monkey

Just for a fact ape like creatures are monkeys Just in case certain people get on this thread



I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that one.

[Regan of Gong]

1. WTF?

2. Element of truth in there

3. Circular argument

4. WTF?

Some are people just sh!t stirring, if you read the original threads.

[Danr]

How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that

1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys

2.Even Darwin said his theories were wrong before he died so why do you still believe them

3.do you really not believe the bible it says we were created in seven days not millions of years

4.how come we cant speak monkey

Just for a fact ape like creatures are monkeys Just in case certain people get on this thread



I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that one.

I read #1, lol tell me your not serious :P fkn funny

[TWChikn]

I am a rider who rides a bike and lives in faith.
I wasn't able to make it to the conference this year as I was overseas, but a friend of mine did, haven't got to ask him about it yet

What about AGMF? anyone making it down for that? Apparently we're hiring a camper van and taking the bikes down as well... twice as good ;)

Also, i know it was a while ago, but can i ask if anyone made it to the Switchfoot concert? i won some tickets, but had to go interstate...:(

And last one, any Christian riders up around Morayfield, Caboulture, Narangba, d bay, Redcliffe areas?


"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near"

[l +Jarrod+ l]

I am a rider who rides a bike and lives in faith.
I wasn't able to make it to the conference this year as I was overseas, but a friend of mine did, haven't got to ask him about it yet

What about AGMF? anyone making it down for that? Apparently we're hiring a camper van and taking the bikes down as well... twice as good ;)

Also, i know it was a while ago, but can i ask if anyone made it to the Switchfoot concert? i won some tickets, but had to go interstate...:(

And last one, any Christian riders up around Morayfield, Caboulture, Narangba, d bay, Redcliffe areas?


"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near"


Yer i might be able to go to AGMF aye.

The switch foot concert was the shiz.

Youth alive is talking big so make sure you get to it (its around August)

Also Planet Shakers is on next year in April instead of January.

Yeah just between you and me dude something happened at Shakers man and its so big aye. I mean God is so near and Rienhard Boonke (have you heard of him?) Preached to 1.2 million in South Africa and saved them all! and he spoke at Shakers, and it was indescribable!

So yes "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near"

Peace out, brother.

[NCR600]

I'd never heard of this Reinhard Bonnke ( http://www.cfan.org/ ), so I did a quick google and found this. It seems to be written from a Christain perspective, and the Bonnke character seems to be a charlatan and snake oil salesman of the highest order.

David McAllister,The Breda Centre 23/5/01

Reinhard Bonnke makes many incredible miracle claims but is his claims really true? So called miracle claims are two a penny today, and in fact many of the various cults, witch doctors, psychic surgeons, and New Age healers also make the same kind of miracle claims as Reinhard Bonnke, even an advert in a newspaper promoting a “miracle pen” had with it a number of 'documented' healings.

Anyhow back to Bonnke as he is different, he claims Biblical style miracles at his crusades, saying: "When I step on a platform, often without any touch of mine the blind begin to see, the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak and the cripples to walk…" and "Miracles happened as if copied from the gospels and the book of Acts". The crusade chairman in Onitsha, Nigeria boosts "We know that when Reinhard Bonnke comes to preach, we will see the....healing power of God in action". At Bonnke's crusades he reports "Each [person at the crusade] was expecting the miracle that would transform their lives; they looked desperate enough to pursue it - to grab it by force if necessary....the healing power of God flowed each day as countless numbers reported evidence of the miraculous". However when pressed for proof of this 'healing power of God' and the 'biblical style miracles', there is DEAD SILENCE and no help from his ministry, in fact they refuse to listen to those who question these claims. Do Bonnke’s miracles line up with the biblical record? do they match up with the gospels and the book of Acts? NO NOT ONE BIT! And the claim that people can take miracles by force? Unheard of in Scripture!

Jesus Christ never ever went around making the incredible miracle claims that Bonnke makes. Jesus Christ shunned acclaim and let his miracles speak for themselves; proving that He was who he said he was the Messiah, the Almighty God, the Saviour of the World and that His message was from God. When Jesus Christ healed it had a purpose, healing was instant and the healings were abundant and some did not even require the physical presence of Jesus. Jesus Christ was able to heal at anyplace, anytime, anywhere, whether their was faith or not, and his healings were undeniable even to his critics and never was there any appeal for money. Jesus Christ could heal all manner of sickness and diseases using different methods with the results irreversible, never turning anyone away at his unarranged meetings. To sum up Jesus Christ healings, Richard Mayhue in his book ‘The Healing Promise” writes that the miracles of Jesus Christ were “undeniable, successful, spectacular, without any recovery period. permanent, overwhelming, abundant, awesome, instant, [and] authoritative, without limitations, total, and convincing all without any major medical attention that could possibly have taken credit for healing in any way. “

Bonnke is the opposite of Jesus Christ a showman often boasting of HIS power, promoting himself and marketing his ‘miracles’ to collect money. Bonnke mesmerises and charms people with his healings only take place at certain times under certain conditions at prearranged meetings using the same techniques with the healings coming for no real apparent reason or purpose. The healings he claims are spurious, and deniable, and his critics have proven without a doubt that he is a fraud, a trickster even claiming healings that are not healings at all. To sum up Bonnke’s miracles we would say they are “spurious, bogus, deniable, unspectacular, sparse, unconvincing, limited, pathetic and laughable”. In fact many of the practices that Bonnke uses in his crusades are not found taught in the Bible or practiced by Jesus Christ or his disciples. These practices can be found in the occult and New Age Movement.and are forbidden by Scripture.

Bonnke boasts that "Locals brought sacks full of witchcraft items to the crusade grounds for burning each night" and John Darku commented "This is the greatest number of witchcraft items we have ever seen. People surrendered their idols by the sack full....we started burning the witchcraft items from the second night of the conference, when Reinhard preached on the Blood of Jesus and took authority over the powers of the enemy. The strongholds in the city were demolished and the people released".

Sadly many of these people are freed from one bondage and caught into another when it was also reported; "Looking at the crowds, it was if fire from heaven had fallen on top of each head and burning hot coals had suddenly been rolled onto the tip of each tongue. The fire seemed intense - almost execruciating - judging by the painful expressions on many faces. The fire caused many people to shake their heads uncontrollably, while speaking non-stop in other tongues". These kind of manfestions are never once found in the minstry of Jesus Christ or the Apostles and are unbiblical in their nature and more at home in the world of the occult.

Why then do so many people follow after the likes of Bonnke? Why such crowds? CFAN say "Miracles? Well, signs and wonders "Anthony Thomas, who wrote and directed the recent TV documentary `Miracles`, believes Bonnke is popular in Africa because he taps into the continents old religious and superstitions. "Bonnke is the `voodoo priest`, casting spells on his enemies and summoning up good and evil spirits as he dances to the beat of the drum," said Thomas'. However again another instance in which Bonnke is out of tune with the Bible as Jesus Christ commanded his servants not to curse their enemies but to "love their enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you".

Jesus Christ warned his believers to TAKE HEED and BEWARE because in the latter times many false prophets, WOLFS IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING doing 'signs and wonders' in His name, claiming to be 'anointed' would arise and deceive MANY. Paul wrote in his epistles "Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no futher for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."Who were Jannes and Jambres? Two atheists? No magicians in Pharaohs court who could up to a point duplicate the miracles of God with their tricks. The clear answer is that what we see with Bonnke is the same thing only he does it in the name of Jesus.

Bonnke claims to preach the "full gospel", however there is no "full gospel" or "half gospel" only the true gospel which Paul preached..."I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you....wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved....how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" [1 Cor 15:1-4]. The 'full gospel' that Bonnke preaches is a gospel full of errors, devoid of any real preaching on "sin, righteousness and judgement to come", but filled with fables that are hard to believe and which he most surely has made up? Even what little truth he may present is lost in a sea of error. "Raise your hands and wave to me if you want to receive Jesus Christ," proclaims Bonnke at his crusades. One wonders what Jesus, as those at the crusades hang on Bonnke's every word mesmerised and charmed by the figure on the platform? The truth is this, Bonnke has "another gospel" which is not another and he comes under the curse of Paul in Gal 1:6-10. What do we make then of Bonnke? A false Christ? Yes the edivence proves his healings are false and so is his mesage, a false Christ who is to be rejected and denounced.

The sad truth is that the church has long wearied of sound biblical teaching as the Apostle Paul foretold, turning their ears away from the truth and heaping to themselves teachers like Bonnke who will tell what they want to hear rather that what they need to hear. The only solution is for the church to reject and root out these false teachers like Bonnke whose folly has been manifested, and return the flock back to the truth of God’s word and the true gospel of Christ and Him crucified.

May God Help us!

Jesus Christ warned "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign" [Matthew 12:38]




This bloke is a cult leader, almost in a Reverend Jim Jones mould (look it up on google Mtbfox)

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/rbonnke.html

More reading about this "Man of God".

I'm all for people believing in God if it makes them good people, however anyone who gives any creedence to anything said by this charlatan is walking a very dangererous path indeed.

[|Matt|]

I heard Jesus was a communist.

[julianwisbey]

/\/\//\/\/\

dude why the fuck do you have to stick your head in every religion thread :mad::mad:

no one gives a fuck your an atheist seriously just let it go, go preach your atheist-ness somewhere else its even more annoying than all the Christianity threads

its ironic that you hate religion soooooo much but you preach/treat athiesim like a religion ITS NOTHING DUDE

[kizza01]

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near"

You have got to be kidding me.

How hypocritical that you live a virtuous life, only out of fear of reprisal from a non-violent non-vindictive god.

So christians are only good people because they are scared of punishment. What ever happend to being good just so you are not a c-bomb?

[nein!]

God is dead.

[thecat]

How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that

1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys




I was going to stay out of this but that's much too funny

1. If Labardoodles are bred from poodles how come they are not born poodles?


2.Even Darwin said his theories were wrong before he died so why do you still believe them


Any one got a reference to this? I googled and got a bunch of religious nuts making the claim but no direct reference.
It should be noted that Darwin never said the natural selection via chance was the only factor in evolution.



3.do you really not believe the bible it says we were created in seven days not millions of years


The bible also says the Earth is the center of the universe. Do you believe the sun and stars revolves around the Earth?

Can you really dismiss the geological and paleontological evidence?

The bible talks about blessed is he who can believe without seeing. It says nothing about pig headedly refusing to believe what you can see.


4.how come we cant speak monkey


If English is derived from a blend of Old English and Old Norse with influences from Latin French and bunch of other languages how come I can't speak Old English, Old Norse and a bunch of other langauges?
Besides, ever see Gorillas in the Mist? You could say Dian Fossey had worked out how to speak monkey


Just for a fact ape like creatures are monkeys Just in case certain people get on this thread


No, a rough way to tell them apart is that monkeys have tails. Apes don't.:D


But for those who do take the bible literally. I hope you don't like pawns or calimari.

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.


So all you sea food lovers can just burn in hell.:eek::eek::eek:

[l +Jarrod+ l]

God is dead.

Yes yes....you just keep telling yourself that mate. Have a happy after life.

[jjperko]

How coincidental that someone linked this (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:http%3A//www.fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx%3Farchive%3D1) on another forum tonight ;)

I don't have to "prove" anything.

You see, I have this wonderful thing called "faith" and with that I have no need of proof.

That is the single reason why there is no point in debating this...

[projectsplat]

.....and its so big aye.

you getting all rasta on us there bloke?

sorry if your a mormon

watch your words biatch. I am a mormon. an extreme mormon.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AVWieQ0_RGw

wow, I get to wheel out this clip twice in a week. this is brilliant.... :D

ps. I am not a mormon.

[flying high dh killer]

Yes yes....you just keep telling yourself that mate. Have a happy after life.

Have a happy LIFE of delusion and shitty rock music.

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

If English is derived from a blend of Old English and Old Norse with influences from Latin French and bunch of other languages how come I can't speak Old English, Old Norse and a bunch of other langauges?
Besides, ever see Gorillas in the Mist? You could say Dian Fossey had worked out how to speak monkey


Also if you have ever watched the Planet of The Apes movies you will know that monkeys actually speak English.

This of course makes it clear then that all dirty foreigners who don't speak English must then be descended from some lower life form or possibly some form of space slug...

[Regan of Gong]

Maybe mtbfox shouldn't bait the atheists, but yeah, everyone thinks you're hardcore to the max nein and Matt :rolleyes:

[NCR600]

Bump, because I don't want MTBfox to miss out on what sort of a charlatan R Bonnke is.

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Bump, because I don't want MTBfox to miss out on what sort of a charlatan R Bonnke is.

I stopped reading your post as i had no idea where it was going. I'm sugesting that it was attempting to cast Rienhard Boonke as something his not, and maybe if you heard him speak and was where i am with God at this time in my life you would understand.

[S.]

I stopped reading your post as i had no idea where it was going. I'm sugesting that it was attempting to cast Rienhard Boonke as something his not, and maybe if you heard him speak and was where i am with God at this time in my life you would understand.

What a lame-arse dodge that was. Typical "I don't need to read heretical materials" shit. Grow a pair, spend the whole minute required to read the post, then answer it. Some search for truth you must be on if you have to avert your eyes from text on teh intarnets. Why delude yourself? And I'm not talking about religious beliefs here, but the fact that one guy is clearly a bullshit artist yet you want to believe in him.

[roasted]

I stopped reading your post as i had no idea where it was going. I'm sugesting that it was attempting to cast Rienhard Boonke as something his not, and maybe if you heard him speak and was where i am with God at this time in my life you would understand.If you are going to listen and beleive in a fraud like Bohnke then I wouldnt say you had gotten very far with god.

[l +Jarrod+ l]

What a lame-arse dodge that was. Typical "I don't need to read heretical materials" shit. Grow a pair, spend the whole minute required to read the post, then answer it. Some search for truth you must be on if you have to avert your eyes from text on teh intarnets. Why delude yourself? And I'm not talking about religious beliefs here, but the fact that one guy is clearly a bullshit artist yet you want to believe in him.

Hey mate if your talking about Rienhard, if he is a Bull shit artist, back off cause i did nothing to you, so you have no right to just say that. No one else puts words like that infront of something that people seriously believe in and i dont know why you say it. To get your point over to some how hurt me? What ever. If it makes you happy i read the whole thing and its just another negative view to punch a hole in what us christians believe him say. But seriously maybe if you actually heard him speak at shakers you would think different. What he spoke on at Shakers made me ask myself some serious questions, if it is real or not, and as far as im concerned it is.

[l +Jarrod+ l]

If you are going to listen and beleive in a fraud like Bohnke then I wouldnt say you had gotten very far with god.

Dude, go chuck your critism else where, you know nothing, NOTHING! about God or anyting that Boonke spoke about. You just say that because maybe your jealous or dammed if i know? I dont throw bad lanuage at what ever you believe in.... if anything.

[NCR600]

I stopped reading your post as i had no idea where it was going. I'm sugesting that it was attempting to cast Rienhard Boonke as something his not, and maybe if you heard him speak and was where i am with God at this time in my life you would understand.


Look, I have tried to make it as easy for you as possible. The materials I have posted are mostly from the Christian perspective. It's certainly not me talking from my own cynical old atheist perspective. Even then, my cynical old atheist perspective allows me to believe that the 10 commandments (fictional or not) are very good guidelines for living an ethical life, and I'm prepared to admit that the teachings of the man called Jesus are also ones of high moral virtue.

I think you should read about this Bonnke character. It's not for nothing that they call people like him (and Jim Jones) Charismatic Christians. They are powerful orators and even more powerful manipulators of people's minds. They use exactly the same tricks that people like Adolf Hitler used to fool an entire civilized nation that a World War and systematic extermination of an ethnic minority is a good thing.

If you want to live your life according to a Christian ethos, as found in the bible, I have no problem whatsoever with that, if it makes you a responsible and ethical member of society. You'll get no argument from me that the basis of the Christian ethos is essentially a moral and good one.

However I cannot stand by while someone sings the praises of someone who is so obviously at odds with not only MY own ethics, but those of Christianity itself.
Jesus Christ warned "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign" [Matthew 12:38] This is particularly important to you MTBfox, as it was to me in my own teenage years when I nearly fell prey to these cultists. It is natural to gravitate towards charismatic leaders, and even more so when you lack the maturity to tell the sales pitch from reality.

[roasted]

Dude, go chuck your critism else where, you know nothing, NOTHING! about God or anyting that Boonke spoke about. You just say that because maybe your jealous or dammed if i know? I dont throw bad lanuage at what ever you believe in.... if anything.
I don't discount spirituality. I never threw bad language at you. The way you are reacting to anyone's attempt to start a discussion suggests you do not have much of an understanding at all.

I don't have a problem with religion - I have a problem with bullshit artists, those that oppress free thought, exploit the desperate, gullible and lonely, and this is exactly what this guy seems to do.

[Regan of Gong]

Obviously, I can't make a judgement call, having never heard this bloke speak myself. However, it would be interesting to see just how that message gets across after an hour or two or endorphin-flowing, rock-jump-music-baby exercise, everyone is happy and relaxed...

For the record I am a Chritsian, and have walked out and heckled people who are teaching the wrong thing.

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Look, I have tried to make it as easy for you as possible. The materials I have posted are mostly from the Christian perspective. It's certainly not me talking from my own cynical old atheist perspective. Even then, my cynical old atheist perspective allows me to believe that the 10 commandments (fictional or not) are very good guidelines for living an ethical life, and I'm prepared to admit that the teachings of the man called Jesus are also ones of high moral virtue.

I think you should read about this Bonnke character. It's not for nothing that they call people like him (and Jim Jones) Charismatic Christians. They are powerful orators and even more powerful manipulators of people's minds. They use exactly the same tricks that people like Adolf Hitler used to fool an entire civilized nation that a World War and systematic extermination of an ethnic minority is a good thing.

If you want to live your life according to a Christian ethos, as found in the bible, I have no problem whatsoever with that, if it makes you a responsible and ethical member of society. You'll get no argument from me that the basis of the Christian ethos is essentially a moral and good one.

However I cannot stand by while someone sings the praises of someone who is so obviously at odds with not only MY own ethics, but those of Christianity itself.
Jesus Christ warned "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign" [Matthew 12:38] This is particularly important to you MTBfox, as it was to me in my own teenage years when I nearly fell prey to these cultists. It is natural to gravitate towards charismatic leaders, and even more so when you lack the maturity to tell the sales pitch from reality.

OK yeah your right. So since i have nothing to back up why i think Rienhard is on fire with the Holy spirit apart from me draging you to come with me to the meetings to see for your self not just some artical, i cant see this going my way.

Yes it is natural to lean towards charismatic leaders in our society as every one does. Just to let you know and others that it wasnt Rienhard who made me believe so strongly on what Rienhard has to say (or what God has to say threw Rienhard, from my point of view) its what God stirred up inside of me in that meeting that made me and so many others rise in faith and actually come to a realality with who God is and how he works...also including how Statan works.

[|Matt|]

For the record I am a Chritsian, and have walked out and heckled people who are teaching the wrong thing.

Whats 'the wrong thing'.

['Ross]

Whats 'the wrong thing'.

" So then Jesus called me up and I was like heyy playaa, then....."

[l +Jarrod+ l]

I don't discount spirituality. I never threw bad language at you. The way you are reacting to anyone's attempt to start a discussion suggests you do not have much of an understanding at all.

I don't have a problem with religion - I have a problem with bullshit artists, those that oppress free thought, exploit the desperate, gullible and lonely, and this is exactly what this guy seems to do.

OK yer i need to come down to your level of understanding to God and Christianity and put my feet in your shoes and guys i know where your comming from if your lost or just think that it all cant be logical. And to the fact that Rienhard is becoming such a worshiped leader if you like, as like wise, so many in the past, Hitler..etc. But what if he was speaking the truth, i mean the real deal, not just doing this to make money but to do this for God and him alone. I see it that way and believe it and have recieved confirmation from God that he is alive every day of our lives. Thats how i see it and you see it differently, that just doesnt make sense on all the baggage that has been thrown on spirituality leaders gathering people under his/her controll, but if it was real would you not follow it???

[S.]

OK yer i need to come down to your level of understanding to God and Christianity and put my feet in your shoes and guys i know where your comming from if your lost or just think that it all cant be logical. And to the fact that Rienhard is becoming such a worshiped leader if you like, as like wise, so many in the past, Hitler..etc. But what if he was speaking the truth, i mean the real deal, not just doing this to make money but to do this for God and him alone. I see it that way and believe it and have recieved confirmation from God that he is alive every day of our lives. Thats how i see it and you see it differently, that just doesnt make sense on all the baggage that has been thrown on spirituality leaders gathering people under his/her controll, but if it was real would you not follow it???

No offence mate, but are you drunk? Cos that made no sense at all.

[NCR600]

who God is and how he works...also including how Statan works.
Wonderful Works Are Done By False Prophets In The Name Of The Lord:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

False Prophets Will Be Numerous, And Very Successful:

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2 Pet 2:1 [NIV] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Pet 2:2 [NIV] Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2 Pet 2:3 [NIV] In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

False Prophets Work Miracles That Deceive:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Many Prefer The False Prophet:

2 Tim 4:2 [NIV] Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

True Prophets Are Always In Harmony With Other Prophets Of God And Scripture:

1 Cor 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


All this can be found in the Bible. I'm not claiming to be a Biblical scholar by any stretch of the imagination, so all I can suggest is that you read what I have previously posted about Bonnke and read these Biblical quotes and draw your own conclusions. I'll add to that the tenet that "If it's too good to be true, then it probably is"

[l +Jarrod+ l]

No offence mate, but are you drunk? Cos that made no sense at all.

Yes im drunk on the Holy spirit.

Dont worry, but i meant if its real and you know that it is wouldn't you follow it??? (I'm talking about Christianity and the Bible)

[S.]

Hey mate if your talking about Rienhard, if he is a Bull shit artist, back off cause i did nothing to you, so you have no right to just say that. No one else puts words like that infront of something that people seriously believe in and i dont know why you say it. To get your point over to some how hurt me? What ever. If it makes you happy i read the whole thing and its just another negative view to punch a hole in what us christians believe him say. But seriously maybe if you actually heard him speak at shakers you would think different. What he spoke on at Shakers made me ask myself some serious questions, if it is real or not, and as far as im concerned it is.

Why do you discount ANY negative opinion as not credible? Is it not possible that it was actually correct? Why will you not consider this rationally and give a reasoned, logical, rational answer rather than saying "oh you're just being a typically negative christian-hater"?

I'm not trying to be a dick to you, hell if anything I'm holding back about 95% of the flood of torrential, highly justified abuse I want to unleash on that guy.

['Ross]

All I know for sure on this topic, is that christian groups/churches/major league baseball etc. have some EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL and excellent public speakers.

I don't know the guys name, but around 7-8 years ago I listened to one of these christian speaker guys, and he was one of the best public speakers I have ever heard, managed to hold the attention of about 100 non church goers (like myself) for 45minutes. I totally believed whatever he was going on about, which I think was more about believing in yourself and self empowerment and all that, but luckily I am a skeptic and erased my mind of whatever he was going on about.

The point is, I can see how people can be so influenced or believe so passionately about what these people say, they almost got me for christs sake! (pun) thank god (pun) for my tin foil hat!

[S.]

Yes im drunk on the Holy spirit.

Dont worry, but i meant if its real and you know that it is wouldn't you follow it??? (I'm talking about Christianity and the Bible)

What if you "know" that it isn't? And if it is unquestionably "real" and true and whatnot, then how hard is it to consider the criticisms of Bohnke (or Christianity or ANYTHING else you believe in) and shoot them down with fair, reasoned, logical responses?

For example, I believe in gravity. I know it's there, to me it's not a question, it's a fact. If someone comes up and tells me it's a load of crap, I'll happily explain why it's not and even demonstrate things to prove it. If you're so keen to push/defend what you "know" why can't you do it this way?

No doubt you'll dodge these questions anyway...

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Why do you discount ANY negative opinion as not credible? Is it not possible that it was actually correct? Why will you not consider this rationally and give a reasoned, logical, rational answer rather than saying "oh you're just being a typically negative christian-hater"?

I'm not trying to be a dick to you, hell if anything I'm holding back about 95% of the flood of torrential, highly justified abuse I want to unleash on that guy.

Because there is no logical answer to what i can describe as to what i experienced and gatherd at Planet Shakers. I'm sorry but im sure one day i will.

And yes i should consider if what is being said correct. Cheers.

Dude unleash. I am partically.

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Wonderful Works Are Done By False Prophets In The Name Of The Lord:

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

False Prophets Will Be Numerous, And Very Successful:

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2 Pet 2:1 [NIV] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Pet 2:2 [NIV] Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2 Pet 2:3 [NIV] In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

False Prophets Work Miracles That Deceive:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Many Prefer The False Prophet:

2 Tim 4:2 [NIV] Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

True Prophets Are Always In Harmony With Other Prophets Of God And Scripture:

1 Cor 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


All this can be found in the Bible. I'm not claiming to be a Biblical scholar by any stretch of the imagination, so all I can suggest is that you read what I have previously posted about Bonnke and read these Biblical quotes and draw your own conclusions. I'll add to that the tenet that "If it's too good to be true, then it probably is"

Thanks for that brother, got alot out of it.

Are you a Christian?

[leitch]

Oh man, fuck. I always knew Farkin had some pretty strong believers, but I wasn't expecting blinkered fundies!

Edit: That said, I will agree with Mr-Fundie here and say |Matt|, stop for a second and look at the anti-religious shit that you post. You are just as blind in your faith in there not being a God as these kids are in their belief that there is one. On that level, you're no better than they are. Check yourself, and maybe learn to take a more objective view on the whole thing. People will always believe in different things. If you can't accept that and live with it without jumping on it and trying to tear it apart with your equally rampant atheist streak, you're going to end up pretty damn retarded.

[leitch]

Forgive me father for I have sinned, I said that God did not exist. Strike me down in this here desk chair, oh Mighty One.

[l +Jarrod+ l]

What if you "know" that it isn't? And if it is unquestionably "real" and true and whatnot, then how hard is it to consider the criticisms of Bohnke (or Christianity or ANYTHING else you believe in) and shoot them down with fair, reasoned, logical responses?

For example, I believe in gravity. I know it's there, to me it's not a question, it's a fact. If someone comes up and tells me it's a load of crap, I'll happily explain why it's not and even demonstrate things to prove it. If you're so keen to push/defend what you "know" why can't you do it this way?

No doubt you'll dodge these questions anyway...

No doubt i will dodge this questions as you seem determined to never let me be at peace with what i write so i have not answered questions as to what ever i write back in response you will just nail me back. A guy who seems to be on top of things around debates and disscussion, when i am not as of yet.

So yes i have given up, you win. I can tell you though im with God to the very end.

[Breaka]

I was born catholic, live an agnostic life and will more than likely die an atheist.
So NO I didn't go to Planet Shackers.

May I ask what the name 'Planet Shackers' actually means? I have a feeling it basically means that us humans are only on earth for a limited amount of time before those who haven't fucked a member of the opposite sex (and all that bad shit :rolleyes:) ascend into heaven upon dying and meet their God while the rest of us descend into the fiery depths of hell.

[|Matt|]

Edit: That said, I will agree with Mr-Fundie here and say |Matt|, stop for a second and look at the anti-religious shit that you post. You are just as blind in your faith in there not being a God as these kids are in their belief that there is one. On that level, you're no better than they are. Check yourself, and maybe learn to take a more objective view on the whole thing. People will always believe in different things. If you can't accept that and live with it without jumping on it and trying to tear it apart with your equally rampant atheist streak, you're going to end up pretty damn retarded.

I know I might say a lot of anti religious stuff, but I do often do a lot of researching on the internet about evidence against atheism. Can't say I've ever found anything conclusive, but I do give it consideration if I think it is possible.

I'll try to cut back, sorry.

[leitch]

No doubt i will dodge this questions as you seem determined to never let me be at peace with what i write so i have not answered questions as to what ever i write back in response you will just nail me back. A guy who seems to be on top of things around debates and disscussion, when i am not as of yet.

So yes i have given up, you win. I can tell you though im with God to the very end.

You don't have to know anything to answer a question according to your beliefs and knowledge, dude...

[l +Jarrod+ l]

You don't have to know anything to answer a question according to your beliefs and knowledge, dude...

I know mate, im not a blind bat. I just dont think i should as im alone here on farkin trying to defend my God. I just dont think im getting anywhere with what ever i say as it just isnt strong enough to over ride the others.

[S.]

I know mate, im not a blind bat. I just dont think i should as im alone here on farkin trying to defend my God. I just dont think im getting anywhere with what ever i say as it just isnt strong enough to over ride the others.


Is that because my opinion is too blindly strong, or because your arguments are just too weak?

[NCR600]

Thanks for that brother, got alot out of it.

Are you a Christian?

No. I'm a card carrying atheist.

However I have enough background with, of my own free volition, the Christian faith to feel I can speak with some confidence about it, and have enough knowledge of the Charismatic branch of Christianity to feel I can expose it for what it is. A bloody fraud.

[Breaka]

I just dont think im getting anywhere with what ever i say as it just isnt strong enough to over ride the others.

Then it sounds like a game of 'I'm right, your wrong'. So it's a power thing eh?

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Is that because my opinion is too blindly strong, or because your arguments are just too weak?


Both. I have faith dude and maybe its not right to have so much when i dont have as much knowledge as others do.

[Breaka]

However I have enough background with, of my own free volition, the Christian faith to feel I can speak with some confidence about it, and have enough knowledge of the Charismatic branch of Christianity to feel I can expose it for what it is. A bloody fraud.

Hear hear. I spent thirteen years of my schooling attending Catholic Schools. I can confidently say that I can speak against it because I obtain some knowledge of the shit they teach. We did a study on some of the Charismatic denominations during Studies of Religion in years 11 and 12. It is a fraud, in the true sense of the meaning. What bugs me is they try to make it appealing by turning everything into sing song and dance (hence the label 'Charismatic'). Plays are shit at the best of times - who wants to be subject to a PLAY based around RELIGION?!

[l +Jarrod+ l]

Then it sounds like a game of 'I'm right, your wrong'. So it's a power thing eh?

well considering no one has experienced my life with God i can only relate to "power" if thats what you like to call it because all can relate to it.

[projectsplat]

Regan of Gong mentioned that he had not "heard the word" of our mate Reinhard.

i quickly googletised him and came up with a YouTube clip that shows him in all his finger shaking glory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shxu0ba-SKU

I did also find another interesting article about him being a "modern day Lazarus" and raising some Nigerian fella from the dead. - Damn - hope it wasnt that bloke that died leaving millions in offshore accounts. If he came back to life, I am sure his widow will not give me the 10% share she promised.....

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html

Nah, look mtbfox, you are probably right. He probably is legit, and just spouting the word of the lord purely for the benefit of the unwashed masses. Out of interest, what sort of car does he drive?

http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=92364&stc=1&d=1200523455

Caveat: I may seem like I am being a bit of an arse, but really I am trying to help. I spent 7 long years in the Christian School system going to church 6 days a week, RE 3 days a week, and having Christian ideology shovelled down my throat at every opportunity.
I agree with NCR that I have no issue with the basic moral compass that is provided by the ten commandments etc. I do however have issue with the building of multimillion dollar empires set up purely to fleece money off the weak & stupid.

[gravelclimber]

Well, at least mtbfox36 isn't going around blowing shit up (presumably). Glass half full, eh?

[flying high dh killer]

May I ask what the name 'Planet Shackers' actually means?

I believe it's spelled 'Planet Shakers', which makes somewhat more sense. :rolleyes:

[Regan of Gong]

Cambodian or Nigerian? (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/01/16/1200419831348.html)

I do however have issue with the building of multimillion dollar empires set up purely to fleece money off the weak & stupid.

Matt- this is the wrong stuff. Does this seem in keeping with the commands from the Bible to be humble in whatever we do?

Reinhard Bonnke seems to like yelling. I'd be interested to see his more in-depth theology and whether he can shout about anything other than "Jesus Saves! Hallelujah!". Please don't think I'm being sceptical, but you need to check everything you're hearing, as those verses from NCR demonstrated.

[projectsplat]

Cambodian or Nigerian? (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/01/16/1200419831348.html)


Interesting. The article I read indicated Nigerian, but I suspect a similar sort of shenanigans occurred.

[l +Jarrod+ l]

I believe it's spelled 'Planet Shakers', which makes somewhat more sense. :rolleyes:

yer its shakers, not shackers.

[freeride-freak]

Speak to [Matt], he loves the whole christianity thing. He claims to have recited the whole bible but I doubt it.

hahahahahaha.


mate im aethiest but i like the devil wears prada! (christian metal band)

[Ham]

hahahahahaha.


mate im aethiest but i like the devil wears prada! (christian metal band)

worst band name ever.

[freeride-freak]

worst band name ever.

they make awsome music though

[roasted]

No, they really don't.

[donthucktoflat]

thats like hillsong makes good music..

or that people aren't sheep.


i like christians.. especially overly devout ones.. make me feel that much luckier that i can choose what i do.. not "the lord" (whoever that may be)

oh.. and i got a secret for you.. the afterlife?


it looks like this:

http://www.shootingsevens.com/images/Generic/Black_Square.gif

[projectsplat]

oh.. and i got a secret for you.. the afterlife?


it looks like this:

http://www.shootingsevens.com/images/Generic/Black_Square.gif

that is harsh man. harsh.....

[donthucktoflat]

sorry.. forgot to add the worms

[l +Jarrod+ l]

sorry.. forgot to add the worms

Yeah but when you see see the light in the darkness then it all comes together nicely.

[Matt H]

urgh...


10 char

[lucky13]

thats like hillsong makes good music..

or that people aren't sheep.


i like christians.. especially overly devout ones.. make me feel that much luckier that i can choose what i do.. not "the lord" (whoever that may be)

oh.. and i got a secret for you.. the afterlife?


it looks like this:

http://www.shootingsevens.com/images/Generic/Black_Square.gif
hey! i remember that view from when i was a tree and some prick cut me down.

[JaRedy]

hey! i remember that view from when i was a tree and some prick cut me down.

Ummm.... ok?

Curiosity...how many riders went to the event?

Only me and J-dog so far

[donthucktoflat]

Yeah but when you see see the light in the darkness then it all comes together nicely.

there is no light.

there is no god

hate to break it to you but shit doesnt happen for a reason, there is no higher power. shit happens cos it happens.


fact.

[Breaka]

there is no light.

there is no god

hate to break it to you but shit doesnt happen for a reason, there is no higher power. shit happens cos it happens.


fact.

What are you going to say next, that there is no such thing as Santa Claus?!?!

[l +Jarrod+ l]

there is no light.

there is no god

hate to break it to you but shit doesnt happen for a reason, there is no higher power. shit happens cos it happens.


fact.

God i feel so sorry for you. Your enormous Ego....

Your in my prayers brother.

[haydn]

ok mtbfox36 i havent really read all this thread and sorry for clogging it up even more with this but ive had this question on my mind for quite a while. Ive always (not always) wondered what christian think of heavy metal christian bands such as underoath??? Thanks guys and i love the way your sticking up for your faith, I went to a christian primary school and was pretty heavily into it i guess but when i left it just kind of peatered out.
Cheers
haydn

[l +Jarrod+ l]

ok mtbfox36 i havent really read all this thread and sorry for clogging it up even more with this but ive had this question on my mind for quite a while. Ive always (not always) wondered what christian think of heavy metal christian bands such as underoath??? Thanks guys and i love the way your sticking up for your faith, I went to a christian primary school and was pretty heavily into it i guess but when i left it just kind of peatered out.
Cheers
haydn

P"Med ya....

[daever]

What are you going to say next, that there is no such thing as Santa Claus?!?!

Nooo! Why did you have to bring santa into this! he's done nothing to you!

[johnny]

there is no light.

there is no god

hate to break it to you but shit doesnt happen for a reason, there is no higher power. shit happens cos it happens.


fact.

Wow, that was an unenlightening load of crap! That post does more to convince me of there being a god than anything else!

Shit happens because it happens. How do we know this? Because shit happens.

Circular arguments only prove your own stupidity.


I am God.
.

[faceplant666]

Ok guys, I have a few questions...Before I begin yes I am Aetheist, yes when you ram religion down my throat it pisses me off and yes johnny is god.

Now, so many religions these days how do you tell which religion is correct??
Can you give me some SCIENTIFIC proof that god and jeses really do exsist rather than saying it's faith, Because that's like saying I have Faith in the face I am better at riding than Sam Hill it must be true because I beleive it...

Anyways Peace out
Jake

[roasted]

You know by having faith in whatever you beleive in.

To be frank I think it is rather strange that people can blindly accept a religion - It may provide a good basic moral framework, but that is the end of it as far as I can see. The search for the 'truth' should be undertaken by the individual, not the organisation. As noone can say for sure what the 'truth' is, I feel the logical way to go is to figure out what you beleive and chase it for yourself - be that through reading and research, experience, meditation, whatever.

edit: Atheist here btw.

[Ham]

Ok guys, I have a few questions...Before I begin yes I am Aetheist, yes when you ram religion down my throat it pisses me off and yes johnny is god.

Now, so many religions these days how do you tell which religion is correct??
Can you give me some SCIENTIFIC proof that god and jeses really do exsist rather than saying it's faith, Because that's like saying I have Faith in the face I am better at riding than Sam Hill it must be true because I beleive it...

Anyways Peace out
Jake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

obviously Pastafarian is the only true religion

[thecat]

Meh. While I try to live my life in the noodley wisdom of the 8 Condiments, Pastarafanism is a modern copy of the church of the Subgenius.

http://www.subgenius.com/

For those who don't know the word, The story of the 8 I really Wish you didn'ts handed down to Cap'an Mosey goes like this



While brooding atop Mount Salsa because he can't find a pirate ship, Mosey the Pirate captain receives some advice from the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the form of ten stone tablets. These were called the "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts" by the FSM, the "Commandments" by Mosey, and the "Condiments" by his Pirate gang. While there were originally ten "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts", two were dropped on the way back down the mountain, with eight remaining. This event "partly accounts for Pastafarians' flimsy moral standards". The FSM's commandments address the treatment of people of other faiths, worship of the FSM, sexual conduct, and nutrition.

The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"

1. I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject.

2. I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.

3. I'd really rather you didn't judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, Okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.

4. I'd really rather you didn't indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is go f*** yourself, unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.

5. I'd really rather you didn't challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the b*******.

6. I'd really rather you didn't build multi million-dollar churches/temples/mosques/shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):
1. Ending poverty
2. Curing diseases
3. Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.

7. I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?

8. I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/Las Vegas. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something

[projectsplat]

You know by having faith in whatever you beleive in.

To be frank I think it is rather strange that people can blindly accept a religion - It may provide a good basic moral framework, but that is the end of it as far as I can see. The search for the 'truth' should be undertaken by the individual, not the organisation. As noone can say for sure what the 'truth' is, I feel the logical way to go is to figure out what you beleive and chase it for yourself - be that through reading and research, experience, meditation, whatever.

edit: Atheist here btw.

Badly paraphrasing from some Jung I read in my early teens...
- it is an inherent nature of the human psyche to believe in some higher power. it is almost a form of defence mechanism. if you believe in some form of deity and the tenements of the associated religion, it gives you a sense of purpose and meaning to live. it was also noted that this was most commonly used as a crutch for those without purpose and meaning.

[donthucktoflat]

Wow, that was an unenlightening load of crap! That post does more to convince me of there being a god than anything else!

Shit happens because it happens. How do we know this? Because shit happens.

Circular arguments only prove your own stupidity.


I am God.
.

bear in mind, god, that was written with a sense of tongue in cheek.


and i forgot you were god.. sorry. please dont smite me:o

[Grip]

Seriously... if there really was a God why would she/he let this thread exist. Oh I know.... even God needs a laugh.

[j-rider]

sorry man. i only just read your post (mtbfox). im a christian and im with you all the way with wat your saying.

i missed plant shakers this year but im hoping to go next time

[Hugle]

Cant say ive heard of this conference, but im a christian rider too :)

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

sorry man. i only just read your post (mtbfox). im a christian and im with you all the way with wat your saying.

i missed plant shakers this year but im hoping to go next time

I missed the Plant Shakers conference this year as well but decided I'd make up for it by placing a cactus on top of my washing machine and putting it on 'rinse + spin'

;)

[Matt H]

Urgh... my metaphor systems are on overload and i still don't get it. :o

[NH_]

he said plant shakers not planet ;)

[chu]

there is no light.

there is no god

hate to break it to you but shit doesnt happen for a reason, there is no higher power. shit happens cos it happens.


fact.

that is exactly how i feel...hit the nail on the head

I am God.

you are god of farkin out of this site there isnt one

mtbfox36...if you believe in god that is great for you but posting a thread like this about some christian bullsh*t conference what do you expect there will always be people who are there to tell you that you are wrong and so on and so fourth...if you havent already noticed i am athiest and find anything about god is crap...seeing as the only proof of god is a bible that anyone that wanted to start a cult like this reinhart guy could would write...and dont say any sh*t like you said to that guy about being in your prayers because you are just wasting you time

[l +Jarrod+ l]

that is exactly how i feel...hit the nail on the head



you are god of farkin out of this site there isnt one

mtbfox36...if you believe in god that is great for you but posting a thread like this about some christian bullsh*t conference what do you expect there will always be people who are there to tell you that you are wrong and so on and so fourth...if you havent already noticed i am athiest and find anything about god is crap...seeing as the only proof of god is a bible that anyone that wanted to start a cult like this reinhart guy could would write...and dont say any sh*t like you said to that guy about being in your prayers because you are just wasting you time

I intended on starting this thread for two purposes, to discuss the recent Planet Shakers conference, and to see how many Christian riders are out there.

If someone starts to nudge in on what i believe in I cant just sit back and let it all be, (especially from my point of view and where i stand, Criticism to a God who gave his only son for us) Just like you wouldn't like me Criticizing you on what you think life is about, weather it may be sciene, the big bang, whatever it may be....



I didn't invite people to come into my thread to argue or payout religion.
I invited those who were in faith of God and possibily any Planet Shakers attenders who might ride.
I thought I made this clear in the first sentence of this thread, obviously not.

peace, jarrod.

[Alec McJo]

I missed the Plant Shakers conference this year as well but decided I'd make up for it by placing a cactus on top of my washing machine and putting it on 'rinse + spin'

;)

I swear you have a joke for everything in Off Topic, and I swear I laugh every time.

[Razor-ryder]

I swear you have a joke for everything in Off Topic, and I swear I laugh every time.

haha sooo true... POSM is one of my top 5 farkin members..

[Alec McJo]

haha sooo true... POSM is one of my top 5 farkin members..

Agreed!....

[donthucktoflat]

POSM is on the top of my 5" forum.... :confused: hey! it's the thread of a thousand dodgy metaphors! (well.. 2)

[Angry Atheist]

believe
believe
believe
believe
believe
believe
believe
fools

[JaRedy]

You signed up just to post in this thread diddn't you:rolleyes:^^^^^

[huge]

believe
believe
believe
believe
believe
believe
believe
fools

hahaha so true take that mtbfox36. god is dead. white power:D

that is just a joke i dont believe in that sh*t

[|Matt|]

hahaha so true take that mtbfox36. god is dead. white power:D

that is just a joke i dont believe in that sh*t

Hes a witch...

[Grip]

Well after all the crap posted here I knew it was going to take a very special kind of post to get this thread closed.

And here it is.

hahaha so true take that mtbfox36. god is dead. white power:D