toyota hiace

[$$Noble$$]

ok hi again

i have changed my mind from the 4wd ute from advise from this forum and the other forum i was put on to i am now looking at a toyota hiace any problems with them. i am looking at getting the 1990 to 1994 model for around 5k (i have seen some for that price) and modify it my self any problems with that car.







OLD QUESTION reusing this thread so i don't clog things up and keeping that question there so people know what the other guys are talking about.

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hey guys

looking for a first car and interested in the land rover range rover i am after one for under 7000 and then i will be chopping off the back and having a 2 seater off roader ute. the reason why i like the older rangies is that they have good specs, and very capable off road with out doing any mods.

if you have any suggestion why i should not buy a rangie please reply why and what other off road utes that i could get but it must be a manual and a 6 cylinder or a turbo diesel as they are the only car that i will be able to drive. i have done some research and i can pick up a stock range pre 1990 model for under 7000.

just after suggestions on what i should look out for in getting one e.g what year has >><<><>><>><> problem and look out for this ><><><<><><><. also i want to have decent practicality e.g i dont want to get a hilux and lift it and only drive tops 80km on a high way or else it will roll (please note that is an exaggerated example) that sort of thing. we are very capable of doing the modifications at home as well

for those who have never seen this sort of thing i will attach a picture below.

cheers looking forward to some feedback.


( the picture attached it just an example can't find a pic of what my tray will be set up like. obviously bigger and lower tray and better condition) this picture is a rangie set up for pure of roading

[No Licence]

Nothin wrong with an old rangie mate. Check out www.4wdaction.com.au you will get a much better response there. They are a good bunch of blokes.

[$$Noble$$]

cheers mate is that it no other suggestions 24 view 2 hrs and 1 reply or are rangies to good :p ill give the 4wd forum ago

[floody]

I would suggest practically any Japanese offroader will be cheaper, simpler, more reliable, better performing, better supported by the aftermarket, more durable, better to drive, easier to get parts for in the comparatively rare occasion they break...


Of course you can buy a filthy smoke belching, oil dripping, iron oxidising, electronically self destructive, ergonomically weird, expensive to run and maintain British one. That some Pommy car loving weirdo has ghetto chopped up.

I guess you have an influencial pommy car dork in your life who has given you the impression that Hiluxes and such are somehow more likely to fall over than the range rover and that somehow, in some weird reverse universe they're a capable vehicle, so wallow in your delusion all you like, but after you've lived with the Pommy snotbox, you'll probably give up on 4x4s in disgust or buy a Jap one.

[Trizender]

Not everyone wants part-time 4WD and leaf-sprung suspension. You would need to get a 80 series Cruiser to get something equivalant to a 1972 Rangie.... not that I'm biased.

[brisneyland]

Not everyone wants part-time 4WD

But the Rangie will only be part time driveable anyway...


They do have a certain appeal, I will admit. But there's no friggin way I'd own one - gimme a hilux anyday.

[No Licence]

I would suggest practically any Japanese offroader will be cheaper, simpler, more reliable, better performing, better supported by the aftermarket, more durable, better to drive, easier to get parts for in the comparatively rare occasion they break...


Of course you can buy a filthy smoke belching, oil dripping, iron oxidising, electronically self destructive, ergonomically weird, expensive to run and maintain British one. That some Pommy car loving weirdo has ghetto chopped up.

I guess you have an influencial pommy car dork in your life who has given you the impression that Hiluxes and such are somehow more likely to fall over than the range rover and that somehow, in some weird reverse universe they're a capable vehicle, so wallow in your delusion all you like, but after you've lived with the Pommy snotbox, you'll probably give up on 4x4s in disgust or buy a Jap one.


Dude, do you think you know what your talking about, or are you half way through your second slab of VB?

Oh an for the record i have a built hilux, and a rangie is a more than capable off roader.

As i said man go onto the 4wd forums you will get all the answers you need.

[$$Noble$$]

I would suggest practically any Japanese offroader will be cheaper, simpler, more reliable, better performing, better supported by the aftermarket, more durable, better to drive, easier to get parts for in the comparatively rare occasion they break...


Of course you can buy a filthy smoke belching, oil dripping, iron oxidising, electronically self destructive, ergonomically weird, expensive to run and maintain British one. That some Pommy car loving weirdo has ghetto chopped up.

I guess you have an influencial pommy car dork in your life who has given you the impression that Hiluxes and such are somehow more likely to fall over than the range rover and that somehow, in some weird reverse universe they're a capable vehicle, so wallow in your delusion all you like, but after you've lived with the Pommy snotbox, you'll probably give up on 4x4s in disgust or buy a Jap one.

settle on the kettle

yer as for the 4wd forums i am just waiting for approvial

[Jon]

Any rangie pre 1990 had the 3.5 v8 in it. Only recently did they come out with a TD variant.
Anyhow at todays fuel prices you will be obviously well established in advertising or law to afford to feed one. In old school speak think 10-12 m/gallon or converted 20-25 litres /100 kms.
Also the older 2 doors convert better to a ute.
Excellent 4wd though, particularly with the centre diff lock fitted.

[$$Noble$$]

cheers mate
do you think i could put in it like a izuzu engine or some thin

[Tomas]

For thoes bitching about the pre 1990 rangie can get arsed.
Fcuk oath it chews petrol (20l+/100k), but the v8 runs like nothing else. Yeah, the rear door, central locking and aircon plays up all the time, but it could be worse.

You could be driving a HiLux.

[floody]

Dude, do you know what your talking about

Yes 'dude' I do, Range Rovers are festering piles of shite.

Frankly the way I see it, you'd only buy a 4x4 if you want to go offroad. In which case the Range Rover is a poor value, unreliable proposition; simple as that.
The 3.5 V8s are nothing flash, all fuel consumption and noise, no grunt. Similar power and torque as most Japanese petrol motors in the 2.5-3.0 litre capacity range but double the fuel consumption and hassles.

If you want coils, get a Patrol.

But if you want to wear a tweed jacket and cap, go hunting pheasants on your estate, maybe a Range Rover is for YOU!

[Martin.au]

Here's a thought. How about finding an ex military defender. If I remember correctly they have a defender body, but all the engine and gearbox are holden/isuzu. Suspension is still coils.

Could be a myth but it may be worth considering or looking into.

[dcrofty]

Here's a thought. How about finding an ex military defender. If I remember correctly they have a defender body, but all the engine and gearbox are holden/isuzu. Suspension is still coils.

Could be a myth but it may be worth considering or looking into.

The Perentie. (ancient greek word for body roll)

4x4: 1-tonne, lightly modified LR 110 LWB with Isuzu 3.9D


http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Perentie/#4x4

[floody]

I like how most sections on that site you posted seem to include a similar phrase to 'not very successful...Despite this it has a certain charm'.

Except the Perentie.

[dcrofty]

I like how most sections on that site you posted seem to include a similar phrase to 'not very successful...Despite this it has a certain charm'.

Except the Perentie.

It is truly remarkable what a Land Rover aficionado is willing to accept in terms of annoying quirks/fatal flaws with the phrase "but that's OK because its a Land Rover".

We had an old landie on our farm when it was kid and it was a remarkable vehicle. Personally I'd never buy one but others are deeply in love with them. So I guess that if noble really wants to get a Rangie then he can go with his heart if he wants but I just hope he realised what he's getting into, In particular I dread to think what it would cost to replace some spare parts.

[No Licence]

For thoes bitching about the pre 1990 rangie can get arsed.
Fcuk oath it chews petrol (20l+/100k), but the v8 runs like nothing else. Yeah, the rear door, central locking and aircon plays up all the time, but it could be worse.

You could be driving a HiLux.

Yeah HiLux's are sooooooooooooooo shit? You clown there only the highest selling 4wd ute of all time. Ill put my leafs up against anything. But if i had more cash id buy a patrol coil cab fo shizzle.

[Tomas]

Yeah HiLux's are sooooooooooooooo shit? You clown there only the highest selling 4wd ute of all time. Ill put my leafs up against anything. But if i had more cash id buy a patrol coil cab fo shizzle.

Stop taking life/me/everything so seriously.

[Trizender]

I do not see the appeal of leaf suspension and wouldn't accept it on anything made in the last 30 years. Don't know why buyers put up with it.

I think the only reason all the Japanese utes are leaf sprung is because of an old law in Thailand or Taiwan (wherever they are made these days) that gives a tax break if the vehicle being made is a 'work' vehicle and one of the requirements for that is leaf suspension.

[OISTAFARMA]

cheers mate
do you think i could put in it like a izuzu engine or some thin

Definately, it'll just cost a bucketload to do. Rover are also know for their electical issues so keep some cash aside for when that rears its head. If you want a 4x4 ute, its way cheaper to buy a 4x4 ute.

[Trizender]

You might be able to find one that already has a TDI engine out of a Series 1 Disco. There are also some factory TD Rangies out there but only 400 were imported to Australia and they have the manual gearbox which isn't as strong as the autos.

[Cruz]

What state are you in?
What budget are you looking at for the full conversion?
Is the conversion legal in your state?
What would be the resale of it? A/ Not much.

The ex army Defender would be the go.

[floody]

I do not see the appeal of leaf suspension and wouldn't accept it on anything made in the last 30 years. Don't know why buyers put up with it.

I think the only reason all the Japanese utes are leaf sprung is because of an old law in Thailand or Taiwan (wherever they are made these days) that gives a tax break if the vehicle being made is a 'work' vehicle and one of the requirements for that is leaf suspension.

Most of the Japanese vehicles have had a coil and/or IFS choice since the mid 1980s.

The compromises you make to drive a range rover make the compromise of leaf suspension pale in comparison.

[$$Noble$$]

What state are you in?
What budget are you looking at for the full conversion?
Is the conversion legal in your state?
What would be the resale of it? A/ Not much.

The ex army Defender would be the go.

QLD
10000
Good question
prolly not much:p

ok might try something different what does every one think i could get for that much a hilux? a patrol? a landcrusier? and obviously that 10000 grand includes a stereo system, lift kit(if it need one) and spoties 2 way all the final touches (i live in the country).

[Trizender]

Most of the Japanese vehicles have had a coil and/or IFS choice since the mid 1980s.

The compromises you make to drive a range rover make the compromise of leaf suspension pale in comparison.

I agree with you on the bad points. I wouldn't buy a Rangie unless I was rich.

[bigkevthumper]

QLD
10000
Good question
prolly not much:p

ok might try something different what does every one think i could get for that much a hilux? a patrol? a landcrusier? and obviously that 10000 grand includes a stereo system, lift kit(if it need one) and spoties 2 way all the final touches (i live in the country).

If you got an old range and cut the back of, you would have to go and get an engineers report done on it. (Which can cost alot of money in some cases)
In the case of finding a patrol or landcrusier with all that stuff in it, done to it you will be looking for a bit more then $10,000, unless you find one with alot of km's on the clock or an older seriers such as a 60 seriers or even and old 75 crusier

Just my thoughts anyway

[Jon]

CJ3 or 7 jeep/FJ40 cruiser short wheelbase with a Chev 350 and Turbo 400 box.
Unstoppable unless you flip it, a few around so legals shouldn't be too hard and parts are reasonably common and cheap compared to rangie bits

[$$Noble$$]

ok i gave the 4wd action forum ago and they say go with a landcrusier ill post up the link so every one gets a look if you have any thing more to add please reply here.:)

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=51696

and please do not turn the forum in to an-argument that doesn't go any where!!

[floody]

and please do not turn the forum in to an-argument that doesn't go any where!!

Obviously the argument DID get somewhere if we've talked you out of those pommy heaps of shit...

[John U]

I am in no way a 4wd officiando. I did work in the bush in the mining inducstry for a few years though. 95% of the utes used in the industry were toyota landcruisers. this was for very good reason. these things got an absolute flogging day in day out and would never quit. They were almost indistructible.
In the late 90's Discovery's became cheap compared to the Land Cruisers so there were a few around. Discoverys did not take the punishment so well.
If range rovers are anything like discoverys i would recommend you stay well away from them, especially in the price range and age you are looking for, unless you want spend every weekend under the bonnet fixing it and looking for parts.

[$$Noble$$]

Obviously the argument DID get somewhere if we've talked you out of those pommy heaps of shit...

you make me laugh