KTM, yamaha, honda, kawasaki or suzuki?

[JacksonDH228]

hey guys, does anyone have or know alot about the 2008 4 stroke 250cc motorcross bikes? i am tossing up between yamaha KTM and kawasaki, any help would be much appreciated.

[veldmandaniel]

yamaha yzf250 they are so beautiful there a 4 stoke vesion or a yz250 same body same out put but in a four stroke engine.


yamaha WR250, more of your enduro bike ease to start. but the yzf250 has a decompresion(sp) level that lines the pistons up and its a little bit easier to start(correct me if im wrong)

i dont know much about the other bikes.

[|Matt|]

KTM - Notorious for being extremely expensive to buy, and then to maintain afterwards which earned them the acronym 'Keep Throwing Money'.

Yamaha/Kawasaki/Honda/Suzuki....they're all pretty much the same.

The Yamaha and the Kawasaki are more known for power, I'd say the Kawasaki has a bit more, but the Yamaha comes close.

The Honda is known for handling.

Suzuki....is the same as the Kawasaki I'm pretty sure. Literally the same bike...well they used to be.

I'm looking into getting a KX450F soon enough....mmm 42KW/51nM....

[cameron_15]

Don't discount the Honda CRF's They are very good as well. but all the good manufactuers (suzuki, Yamaha, KTM, Honda...) are fairly equal at most bikes. although i read a reveiw of 5 4-stroke motorbike in a motorbike magazine once.

it was between a Honda CRF 250, Yamaha YZF250, KTM 250, Kawasaki KLX250 (i think) and a Suzuki 250.

The KTM was 1st, Honda 2nd, Yamaha 3rd, Kawasaki 4th and Suzuki 5th.
they were all pretty equal though. but the KTM's do cost more don't they?

it sounds like you know your motorbikes. but i'm going to put this on here anyway. let this be a warning to EVERYONE.

DO NOT get sucked into buying one of those Cheap Chinese Motorbikes. They may look Good, but there is a reason why they are cheap. they are not built to the same quality as Honda's, Yamaha's and the like. I've seen a few of my mates fall victim to these bikes. You'll spend more on it in the long run on repairs and replacements. Just pay the money and by a Quality Bike.

[JacksonDH228]

anyway. let this be a warning to EVERYONE.

DO NOT get sucked into buying one of those Cheap Chinese Motorbikes. They may look Good, but there is a reason why they are cheap. they are not built to the same quality as Honda's, Yamaha's and the like. I've seen a few of my mates fall victim to these bikes. You'll spend more on it in the long run on repairs and replacements. Just pay the money and by a Quality Bike.[/QUOTE]

thanx guys, haha spot on with that comment, i to have seen them go bad and they certainly end up costing alot more than what they are worth!!
thanx for the comments guys:)

[|Matt|]

Don't rule out all Chinese bikes.

Jianshe are a sweet company who allegedly buy Yamaha blueprints and build bikes to their interpretations of the blueprints. My brother had one for about 3 years and it was awesome.

[sawtell]

reason for a 250? is it due to liscence restrictions? or for racin class restriction?

as of mid this year, new laws come into vid for L platers/platers on moto's its no longer a staright cut alimit of 250cc, its been changed to power to weight ratio. i think they finally realised that a 400cc trail bike, is a hell of a lot slower then a 250cc road race bike.

i have nothing else to add.

[demo man]

reason for a 250? is it due to liscence restrictions? or for racin class restriction?

as of mid this year, new laws come into vid for L platers/platers on moto's its no longer a staright cut alimit of 250cc, its been changed to power to weight ratio. i think they finally realised that a 400cc trail bike, is a hell of a lot slower then a 250cc road race bike.

i have nothing else to add.

Depends what state you are in. Some places have had the LAMS laws for a while now, while some are lagging behind and only bringing them in now. check your local laws to find out the licensing details.

[sxereturn]

yamaha yzf250 they are so beautiful there a 4 stoke vesion or a yz250 same body same out put but in a four stroke engine.


yamaha WR250, more of your enduro bike ease to start. but the yzf250 has a decompresion(sp) level that lines the pistons up and its a little bit easier to start(correct me if im wrong)

i dont know much about the other bikes.

It's quite obvious you don't know ANYTHING about any bikes, including Yamaha's. Since when did decompression levers line up pistons, and since when did YZ250's have the same "body" as a YZ250F?

[norco4l]

i have riden most the 250 4 strokes and i recon it would be a choice between the ktm and kwaka i would pick the kawasaki

[THE CHENZ]

Having similar issues but on an Enduro level myself mate.
But theres heaps of positive feedback on the Kawasaki`s that might be too much NOT to listen to.
ie. they Tend to be a reliable steed and have great suspension and heaps of power.
At the end of the day, Hook into your dealer and see if it`s possible to get a ride on a possible "Sponsored" riders bike, to have a go.
Worth a shot to ask, most dealerships have a looked after pilot on there roster, don`t be shy!;)

[john92]

Hi
i have read many reveiws and
the yamaha always win with the kawi or honda 2nd or 3rd then suzuki and ktm is always last.
Yamaha engine has beeing almost unchanged since 2001 which shows how proven, teied, tested and improved it is.
The yami won the 2008 Dirt action 250f shootout
i have a yzf250 08 model and i have ridden crf and ktm 250 version i myn a lil more power than a crf and a shitload more than a ktm. Ktm suspension lets them down. Sure the hydro clutch and no linkage shock looks and sounds good but it doesnt really handle they way it should.
Honda is a very simialr bike. Not as much from mid to top as a yzf but same down low.
Yamaha is the lightess out of all wighing at 92kg honda a lil heavier and ktm a bit more because of no aluminim frame.
In 08 the yzf recieved a upgraded piston which increased compression from 12.5 to 13.5
This livened up the bottom to mid range quite alot.
ANother pro about a yzf is they are so bullet proof. will do in excess of 5000kms without touching the motor.
Where the honda doesnt compare they are always doing valves. Honda mechanic told me 1000kms and they need to be rebuilt which cost at least 800 just for the top end hoping that there is no other damage.
The yzf 250 is the 3rd Best selling bike in the world with the wr450f 1st postie bike 3rd and pw's 4th with the crf in 7th.
BTW yzf havent had decomp for years now, it all automatic.
Yz and YZF have different body frame evrything.The yzf is the only bike with a Ti spring.
ALl the jap bike are very simialar in price around 10300 rrp but i got myn for 9300 + extras.
All in all they are simialr bikes. They will last as long as how much and how well you maintain them however the yamaha is just that little bit in front.

BTW yzf havent had decom levers for years its all auto and yes you dont know anything about bikes

[heath_92]

i have riden most the 250 4 strokes and i recon it would be a choice between the ktm and kwaka i would pick the Kawasaki

IMO I would go the KTM then the Yamaha.

KTM = Hydro clutch, lightest and largest fuel tank (8L)

YZ250F = The more basic things done very well

Both of these bikes have three months warranty, three months more than the CRF and KLX, If you get a kawa or a honda and something is wrong with it when you get it unless you haven't started it you will have trouble getting it fixed or replaced.

I know who would get my money

[|Matt|]

I don't know about Honda but Kawasaki offer a 3 month warranty..

[john92]

SOrry every one but what the f $%& do you know heath92
ktm are the heaviest because the have a cheap old fashioned CrMO frame
http://www.ktm.com.au/bike.php?bike=118&PHPSESSID=2ffe80b15f5fa8d78ba44f3beda79076 check it
6 kgs heavier than the yz

yami has 3 month waranty aswell

[heath_92]

I don't know about Honda but Kawasaki offer a 3 month warranty..

Yeah its all too confusing. I've got the FreeRider shootout and everything is a little different, I don't know if that one is wrong or there all a bit wrong but it says KTM's are the lightest and Kawa's have no warranty But apparently they do^^^:confused::confused::confused:

Maybe farkin can have their own shoot out and we can sort this out once and for all

And john92 in the freerider thing all the bikes but the KTM are listed at over 100kg, I'm deffinetly not saying its right but its the information that I have been going off. And aswell john92 just calm down a little

[norco4l]

and if you want to go out in the bush or in the hills i would just get the kawasaki theyare a good bike not to heavy 2

[john92]

WHateva u say heah92 ur the boss
freerider is a freestyle mag that is not educated on any other disapline of motorcycling.
DIrt action has beeing around for years having well over 100 issues.
that at least 8 years

Ktm weighs 98kGS
yami weighs 92kg now thats stright off yamaha.com and ktm . com i think they would be the most accurate.
Have you got a bike heath92? or evr had one?

[cameron_15]

SOrry every one but what the f $%& do you know heath92
ktm are the heaviest because the have a cheap old fashioned CrMO frame
http://www.ktm.com.au/bike.php?bike=118&PHPSESSID=2ffe80b15f5fa8d78ba44f3beda79076 check it
6 kgs heavier than the yz

yami has 3 month waranty aswell

http://forums.farkin.net/announcement.php?f=10

[heath_92]

WHateva u say heah92 ur the boss
freerider is a freestyle mag that is not educated on any other disapline of motorcycling.
DIrt action has beeing around for years having well over 100 issues.
that at least 8 years

Ktm weighs 98kGS
yami weighs 92kg now thats stright off yamaha.com and ktm . com i think they would be the most accurate.
Have you got a bike heath92? or evr had one?

Alright calm down, we all make mistakes, like your "txt" and "msn" talk or having two accounts.

[kaide]

buddy i would get teh kxf250
bud i ahve rode at yzf250 don't like it
and rode a rm-z 250 n that felt the best
n i have also rode teh crf 250 so yeah probs the kxf :)

[john92]

yeh i have 2 accounts
where did u get that heath

i am calm just making a point
sorry fellas

[JacksonDH228]

Hi
i have read many reveiws and
the yamaha always win with the kawi or honda 2nd or 3rd then suzuki and ktm is always last.
Yamaha engine has beeing almost unchanged since 2001 which shows how proven, teied, tested and improved it is.
The yami won the 2008 Dirt action 250f shootout
i have a yzf250 08 model and i have ridden crf and ktm 250 version i myn a lil more power than a crf and a shitload more than a ktm. Ktm suspension lets them down. Sure the hydro clutch and no linkage shock looks and sounds good but it doesnt really handle they way it should.
Honda is a very simialr bike. Not as much from mid to top as a yzf but same down low.
Yamaha is the lightess out of all wighing at 92kg honda a lil heavier and ktm a bit more because of no aluminim frame.
In 08 the yzf recieved a upgraded piston which increased compression from 12.5 to 13.5
This livened up the bottom to mid range quite alot.
ANother pro about a yzf is they are so bullet proof. will do in excess of 5000kms without touching the motor.
Where the honda doesnt compare they are always doing valves. Honda mechanic told me 1000kms and they need to be rebuilt which cost at least 800 just for the top end hoping that there is no other damage.
The yzf 250 is the 3rd Best selling bike in the world with the wr450f 1st postie bike 3rd and pw's 4th with the crf in 7th.
BTW yzf havent had decomp for years now, it all automatic.
Yz and YZF have different body frame evrything.The yzf is the only bike with a Ti spring.
ALl the jap bike are very simialar in price around 10300 rrp but i got myn for 9300 + extras.
All in all they are simialr bikes. They will last as long as how much and how well you maintain them however the yamaha is just that little bit in front.

BTW yzf havent had decom levers for years its all auto and yes you dont know anything about bikes

thanx for that mate, thats an awsome description, thanx for the help fellas.

[cameron_15]

this might be totally wrong but...

john92 are you heath_92.

same number. are you trying to confuse us all by having a heated conversation with yourself??

maybe, just maybe.

[JacksonDH228]

this might be totally wrong but...

john92 are you heath_92.

same number. are you trying to confuse us all by having a heated conversation with yourself??

maybe, just maybe.

nah mate they are both different mates of mine

[Booost]

Honda honda honda!

[cameron_15]

nah mate they are both different mates of mine

ahh o.k, just a thought

Honda honda honda!

i agree with that statement

[heath_92]

3. Do not sign up twice
yeh i have 2 accounts
10. No insulting of other members what so ever
what the f $%& do you know
13. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
Have you got a bike heath92? or evr had one?
15. No SMS/TXT type language. Typos are one thing, but you are expected to make an effort with your posting/spelling/grammar.
WHateva u say heah92 ur the boss
breaking of these rules will result in the banning of your account


Seems pretty definitive to me

[JacksonDH228]

Honda honda honda!

are a great bike but the engine goes through valves and rings like there is no tommorrow, correct me if im wrong? no arguments wioth power and handling just maintenence

[cameron_15]

are a great bike but the engine goes through valves and rings like there is no tommorrow, correct me if im wrong? no arguments wioth power and handling just maintenence

i heard that, but i thought it was only a problem with the earlier model CRF's. i've been led to beleive that the problem hassince been resolved.

[john92]

nah it just the 08 models havent had enough use to start to break
there still the same engine arent they
they may have improved but cannot fix 100%

[sawtell]

Depends what state you are in. Some places have had the LAMS laws for a while now, while some are lagging behind and only bringing them in now. check your local laws to find out the licensing details.


sorry i wasnt referring to people in other states, just vic, where the OP is from, well i assume anyway (berwick being in victoria). andd the LAMS laws come in this finacial year when ever it is, june/july in vic

[bsx_comp_9]

im pretty sure on the honda website they have reviews of all the 2008 250 bikes. I think:rolleyes:

[sxereturn]

Shit, I forgot this was a thread on Farkin about dirtbikes...can I alter my original reply? This is it -

git a crf250 its sik me mate has 1 its sik fuk yeh

[|Matt|]

Shit, I forgot this was a thread on Farkin about dirtbikes...can I alter my original reply? This is it -

git a crf250 its sik me mate has 1 its sik fuk yeh

m8 dus it go brap brappp n scrub n shit lol wtf?

[viva-la-freeride]

I have just been through this whole thing about which 08 250 to choose and in the end I went KTM 250sxf. It was between KTM and Kawasaki and i went KTM for 2 reasons. 1 Most the reveiws said it was the best and quickest amd 2 to be honest it was mainly on looks and wank factor plus retail and the Ktm was alot higher than kawasaki.

[john92]

How many ktm do u see at the ama motorcross which is the biggest motorcross series in the world. only 1 mike alessi
so obviously there not that good
iv ridden heaps of bikes and the ktm feels like a re jetted wr
it doesnt have much snap
the suspenions lets the ktm down
go yamaha they got the most cheer at crustys
COP THAT

[JacksonDH228]

How many ktm do u see at the ama motorcross which is the biggest motorcross series in the world. only 1 mike alessi
so obviously there not that good
iv ridden heaps of bikes and the ktm feels like a re jetted wr
it doesnt have much snap
the suspenions lets the ktm down
go yamaha they got the most cheer at crustys
COP THAT

this kid knoes what hes on about, ive seen him ride and he is nuts, shood be sponsored. just incase you think he is making it up

[Venciferus]

How many ktm do u see at the ama motorcross which is the biggest motorcross series in the world. only 1 mike alessi
so obviously there not that good

Yes but AMA bikes are far from stock and (I'm speculating here) most riders will ride with who ever pays the best, considering their other sponsors can trick the bike out like crazy. How many enduro riders do you see with KTM? shitloads, although we aren't talking enduro, that has to say something as well.


go yamaha they got the most cheer at crustys

Bilko and Honda FTW!!! Bilko owns Nate yeaaaahhhhh ausssssssiiiiiieeee

[AMBURGERS]

At the end of the day it comes down to what your favourite colour is.

[john92]

exactly where talking motorcross
you know like yzf sxf kxf rmz crf not
WR EXC F KlX CRFX so it doesnt matter how good there enduro bike s are its how good the mx bikes are compared to other brands. BTW the wr450f is the worlds best selling bike and the yzf250f is 3rd world best seller

and i m pretty certain that yami got the most cheer when they asked what bike everyone had at the start.

yamaha is the best chuck out the rest

[wombat]

Good god! This thread is one of the worst examples of literacy I've seen on here of late!

No one is expecting perfect grammar but we do expect a bit of effort, and if I don't start to see some from the offenders in there will be bans.

[cameron_15]

has anyone got the message that they are all very very similar. it comes down to preference and price really. different reveiws say different things, but all of the bikes have been manufactured to a very high quality level and should not let you down.

so it comes down to colour really, which means honda are the best followed by ktm, then suzuki, the kawasaki and yamaha. everyone knows red is the fastest colour:D

[Brodestah237#]

It all Depends On what Your Wanting if you want it purley 4 speed etc id get a ktm but yamahas are still up there and are also great reliable bikes but at the end of the day its your decison so yeh cya mate

[floody]

Go the green one. Honda can't build gearboxes, I don't like Yamaha finish, and European bikes are only revered by people who don't own them, or owners who can't admit the bike's faults.

[|Matt|]

I'm currently looking into a KX450F, but I can't decide whether the price difference is worth it between a 2004 YZ450F and a 2006 KX450F (2006 was their first year I think).

I can't find Victorian KXFs for less than 6k, but there are a few nice YZFs for around $4,700.

What do I do?

[JacksonDH228]

I'm currently looking into a KX450F, but I can't decide whether the price difference is worth it between a 2004 YZ450F and a 2006 KX450F (2006 was their first year I think).

I can't find Victorian KXFs for less than 6k, but there are a few nice YZFs for around $4,700.

What do I do?

as i've heard not a single problem with a YZ i'm more leaning to one of them now, thay have it all, power, realiable and handle awsome. cant really fault it. 4,700 sounds like a good deal aswell

[john92]

KTM250 SXF have 6 speed not a purley 4
he obviously wants a yamaha which is the right decision.
hondas may use tobe the fastest but in 08 they arnt and even if they were they woulddnt be running long enough to win the race.
proof???
google= "crf" "problems" "valves" "rings"

[JacksonDH228]

KTM250 SXF have 6 speed not a purley 4
he obviously wants a yamaha which is the right decision.
hondas may use tobe the fastest but in 08 they arnt and even if they were they woulddnt be running long enough to win the race.
proof???
google= "crf" "problems" "valves" "rings"

yea deffinately quite a few problems with them, untill someone can provide an experience of a problem with a yzf it has to be said they are proven to be the best bike in 2008 as they won the shootout ect.

[TH850]

How many ktm do u see at the ama motorcross which is the biggest motorcross series in the world. only 1 mike alessi
so obviously there not that good
isn't alessi on suzuki now?
marmont left ktm for yamaha?

jacksondh228: are you looking to race or just ride?

[JacksonDH228]

isn't alessi on suzuki now?
marmont left ktm for yamaha?

jacksondh228: are you looking to race or just ride?

hey, looking to ride just for enjoyment at the moment but might start to race after a while, i looked into the WR and trail side of bikes but the yz has so much more snap and is cheaper, i am looking to be doin more trail riding.

[john92]

marmont is an asustrlian competitior
allessi competes in ama motorcross overseas
different series mate
i know for sure allessi was ktm in 07 series

[tomo_1845]

HONDA the best 4 strokes going around, i have a fear few mates that if they werent sponsered they would deffenitally be riding them. i am not just saying this because i ride them, they would have to the most reliable bike going around! i hope this helped

[john92]

OK tomo
great advice
u obviosly dont know anything
go to your local bike mech. and ask what bike do they do the most repairs on.
My bloody local honda dealer told me 1000kms before you have to rebuild a honda. that ridicoulous.
honda are definalty the most unreliable bike around
WELL DONE TOMO

[Phil420]

I was looking at a YZ250F but after talking to owners of them (and any high performance four stroke bike......) They all agreed the new four strokes are much more costly to run. So i went and got myself a 2006 YZ250 2 stroke,
Top end rebuild = 300$, drop oil every couple of rides, a hoot to ride. and can do most maintenance myself,

whereas four strokes = Valve clearances checked, drop oil more often, many more moving parts to break, and very hard to work on yourself. so more dollars paid to the mechanic.

plus who doesnt like a snappy high rev two stroke?

[JacksonDH228]

plus who doesnt like a snappy high rev two stroke?[/QUOTE]

someone who likes goin up hills haha, i've heard you need to rev the absolute guts out of them to get them hill climbing, and they are sometimes very unforging when given to much juice. other than that i see them as good bikes that are fun and cheap to run.

[john92]

2 strokes are so much harder to ride, so much unsmoother and there a dieing breed. banned in califorina.
4 strokes will be costly if not looked after
clean oil + airfilter every big ride 200+kms
and valves every few rides 800 kms and they will last forever

[Phil420]

You rev the guts out of them anyhow ... but I dunno, I simply went for the one which on advice would be the cheaper to run, and in my opinion more fun. And has been a hoot so far, all I've had to do is drop the oil a few times clean air filter every ride or two, and put fuel in. and thats in maybe 40 to 50 hours riding. and wen it comes time to do rebuild it costs less to fix.

[cameron_15]

OK tomo
great advice
u obviosly dont know anything
go to your local bike mech. and ask what bike do they do the most repairs on.
My bloody local honda dealer told me 1000kms before you have to rebuild a honda. that ridicoulous.
honda are definalty the most unreliable bike around
WELL DONE TOMO

I disagree with that statement.
iown a 2004 crf150f. i've had it since late 03. i don't race it but i ride it on my property a lot. i've done small jumps, crashed it heaps, stalled (my fault not bikes) and revved the crap out of it going up hills. nothing has gone wrong with it since i've had it. i haven't even had to replace a spark plug.

before that, i owned a 2000 xr80r. i owned that until mid last year. and like the crf it has never failed on me. i had it for 7 and a half years. i did some big jumps on that and flat landed bottoming out both front and rear suspension. the bike was still in perfect mechanical condition when i sold it except i bent the forks when i crashed in to a tree.

Honda Bikes have to one of the most reliable around accross all bike types.

[john92]

Rightio
were talking about honda motorcross bikes
being the crf 150rb 250 and 250
hondas water uncam 4 valve engine
not the ag bike 2 valve air cooled low revving engine yes mate they are bulletproof
but hondas race bike are very unreliable
look at the specs
thanks mate

[JacksonDH228]

I disagree with that statement.
iown a 2004 crf150f. i've had it since late 03. i don't race it but i ride it on my property a lot. i've done small jumps, crashed it heaps, stalled (my fault not bikes) and revved the crap out of it going up hills. nothing has gone wrong with it since i've had it. i haven't even had to replace a spark plug.

before that, i owned a 2000 xr80r. i owned that until mid last year. and like the crf it has never failed on me. i had it for 7 and a half years. i did some big jumps on that and flat landed bottoming out both front and rear suspension. the bike was still in perfect mechanical condition when i sold it except i bent the forks when i crashed in to a tree.

Honda Bikes have to one of the most reliable around accross all bike types.

hey, have to understand though that a 250 motorcross bike is ALOT different from the kids range in honda which are sick bike that i have also owned. just because they make good kids range isnt going to mean anything when it comes to 250cc, just my opinion anyway, what does everyone else think?

[::RideSiK::]

ive got a CRF. its awsome. valves and stuff may have used to have been a problem, but they now are just the same as every other bike (which if you are going by ALL owners manules around 20-30 race or hard hours for rings and valves.)

if i was getting another bike id consider the kawasaki, as its got the strongest engine, but the yamaha would probably get my vote, i just love the feel of them. and still an awsome engine and awsome to ride. depends on the price (for me. . . )

id never get a KantTakeMotoctoss... too expensive for me

[john92]

20 - 30 hours
are you serious that is my point exactyl
you are doing rebuilds every 20-30 hours
that probably 10 good ride days at a track
OMG
20-30hrs is barely run in on a yzf
my 08 done probably 20 hours
so my point has been proven by Honda "owner manual"
obviously they dont last.
btw they are still the same engine as when they came out. they might have a few tweaks but stil have the same problems.
and they are alot harder to service
they have a dual oil system
one for gearbox and one for topend
verycomplicated and hard to change
thanks hope all this helps jackson but i think he has his mynd made up on the yamaha

[SMIIISH]

if you got the dosh, i would flog the KTM. resell on them are quite high aswell. after all, how can you say no to a KTM! they are world renound for a reason; they are the big boys in their field.

[john92]

thanks for that smiish you have oviously read the thread
ktm are not the best in the field. we are talking 2008 250cc motorcross bikes.
The yzf 250 has won 9/10 shootouts and ktm is usulaly last or 2nd last
thanks

[Graunched]

Little off topic: Being an avid KTM fan and owning a 07 200EXC myself dont discount KTM's entirely. Maynot be the best for the motorcross this year but they kick ass in the enduro.....

Also as to them being more of a money pit than the other manufacturers i am not sure if that is quite right. Ktm's come 'set up to race' which alot of other manufacturers bikes dont. Keep this in mind when buying a bike as an aquaintence bought a yammie to race enduros on this year, had to spend so much on it to get it race ready that he would have just been better off buying a ktm strait up.........my two cents....

[JacksonDH228]

Little off topic: Being an avid KTM fan and owning a 07 200EXC myself dont discount KTM's entirely. Maynot be the best for the motorcross this year but they kick ass in the enduro.....

Also as to them being more of a money pit than the other manufacturers i am not sure if that is quite right. Ktm's come 'set up to race' which alot of other manufacturers bikes dont. Keep this in mind when buying a bike as an aquaintence bought a yammie to race enduros on this year, had to spend so much on it to get it race ready that he would have just been better off buying a ktm strait up.........my two cents....

yea maybe in enduro but this thread is 250 motorcross bikes, and KTM were convinsingly flogged in motorcross, the handling and suspension has let them down, john92 is spot of with the rebuild every 20-30 hours with the CRF, that suks and would be a money pit.

[mike249cc]

yea maybe in enduro but this thread is 250 motorcross bikes, and KTM were convinsingly flogged in motorcross, the handling and suspension has let them down, john92 is spot of with the rebuild every 20-30 hours with the CRF, that suks and would be a money pit.

exactly, I believe the YZF is the way to go and i know mine flys! 20-30 hours with the CRF just isnt good enough.

[gmmoto]

yeah i used to have a TT-R125 i rode it sooo f*****g hard attemped huge jumps flat landed had bout 2000 crashes on it drove it into a car at like 60kms took 4 ppl on it at once justrode itsoo damn hard and it still goes awesome.

I moved on to a YZ125 and it was the best bike i ever rode it was sooo nice and smooth never blew a sparky on it, never burnt out the engine and i also rode it hard my brother over shot a 80ft on it landed soo hard it sounded like it should have blown apart, and it still ran fine so yeah

Definatly get a YZ250F

[No Licence]

Ok this has to be the worst place to ask that qeustion. Dirt Action and Aussie dirt bike offer the best reviews. But none of them can tell you how they feel for you "personally" to ride. As the ergos can differ. I have owned an rmz, but have mates with yzf's, crf's, ktm sxf and even a kxf. I currently own a cr250 and love it. Was going to sell it and get the new 08 crf when released but im gonna hang onto it now, and just have 2 bikes. All the manufacturers have valve issues, there is no way around it, these bikes make big revs and valves are an issue on all of them. I cant stand yamahas, this is strictly my own person opinion, they ride like shit, they feel awkward and un comfortable and i would rather pay for my own bike than ride one for free. But as for suzuki, ktm an kawasaki and honda. Comes down to personal preference. Look after your bike and keep ontop of maintenance and it will last the distance, but you will always need a rebuild and it is costly. No two ways about it.


And that guy who said that yz250fs are the 4 stroke version of the yz250 with equal power. Can someone delete his account?

[JacksonDH228]

Ok this has to be the worst place to ask that qeustion. Dirt Action and Aussie dirt bike offer the best reviews. But none of them can tell you how they feel for you "personally" to ride. As the ergos can differ. I have owned an rmz, but have mates with yzf's, crf's, ktm sxf and even a kxf. I currently own a cr250 and love it. Was going to sell it and get the new 08 crf when released but im gonna hang onto it now, and just have 2 bikes. All the manufacturers have valve issues, there is no way around it, these bikes make big revs and valves are an issue on all of them. I cant stand yamahas, this is strictly my own person opinion, they ride like shit, they feel awkward and un comfortable and i would rather pay for my own bike than ride one for free. But as for suzuki, ktm an kawasaki and honda. Comes down to personal preference. Look after your bike and keep ontop of maintenance and it will last the distance, but you will always need a rebuild and it is costly. No two ways about it.


And that guy who said that yz250fs are the 4 stroke version of the yz250 with equal power. Can someone delete his account?

haha i agree someone should delete it for that!
well its settled, im getting a 2008 yz250f, thanx for the help guys!! appreciated:D

[|Matt|]

I don't race, I just ride farms/bush/trails and through creeks and stuff....

Would a 250 or a 450 4 stroke motocrosser be better for me? Don't tell me I don't need a motocross bike for that use, because I don't care, I'm getting a motocross bike for it, I just need help choosing which size.

I'll most likely test ride each, but apparently the 450s are scarily powerful...

How much maintenance is needed on each and is it difficult to do?

[JacksonDH228]

I don't race, I just ride farms/bush/trails and through creeks and stuff....

Would a 250 or a 450 4 stroke motocrosser be better for me? Don't tell me I don't need a motocross bike for that use, because I don't care, I'm getting a motocross bike for it, I just need help choosing which size.

I'll most likely test ride each, but apparently the 450s are scarily powerful...

How much maintenance is needed on each and is it difficult to do?

hey mate, with the 250 motorcross bike you should.
have oil dropped acording to manuel (about 10 hours i believ)
clean air filter every 2 rides
and have valves checked every certain amount of hours.
as long as you keep on top of stuff like this the bike will stay running sweet and be low maintenence.
i would deffinately recomend the 250 un less you are a heavy rider or ride in the open alot, the 250s these days are incredibley fast and i know i would be worried riding a 450 on some tracks. the 250 is most likely ample power as all the proffesionals mostly ride 250 as a 450 is ushually over kill around a track. in the bush the 450 is probarbly most suited. anyway if you wont a more descript response ask john92 this kid knows it all!!

[|Matt|]

Thats the thing. I'm a big rider and I do ride in the open a lot.

I do like the size and weight of a 250 though, but I do like the power of a 450....

I dunno what to do.

[::RideSiK::]

20 - 30 hours
are you serious that is my point exactyl
you are doing rebuilds every 20-30 hours
that probably 10 good ride days at a track
OMG
20-30hrs is barely run in on a yzf
my 08 done probably 20 hours
so my point has been proven by Honda "owner manual"
obviously they dont last.
btw they are still the same engine as when they came out. they might have a few tweaks but stil have the same problems.
and they are alot harder to service
they have a dual oil system
one for gearbox and one for topend
verycomplicated and hard to change
thanks hope all this helps jackson but i think he has his mynd made up on the yamaha



errr your yz will say the same mate. 20-30 hours. READ THE MANUAL... actually even if you dont more maintainence is better than less.

and all bikes are run in the same, about a tank of fuel alternating throttle positions riding gently then hard just a varied mix of riding, then oil / filter changes

at 20 hours you shoudl check valve clearences and put rings in for good measure. its way cheaper to do that after 20 hours than rebuild.

if your not doing that id say your engine wont last 50 hours.

and what do you mean hard to service, you got 2 sump plugs instead of one. its not rocket science, takes about exactly 30 seconds more than one sump plug.

if like you say you are cleaning your air filter after every 200km im very suprised your bike has lasted to 20 hours. you should do after every ride (or before the next one so the oil dosent seep to the bottom of the filter leaving the top dry). no matter if it was 10min.

[::RideSiK::]

thanks for that smiish you have oviously read the thread
ktm are not the best in the field. we are talking 2008 250cc motorcross bikes.
The yzf 250 has won 9/10 shootouts and ktm is usulaly last or 2nd last
thanks

all the ones ive read online and in magazines say the KX is the go mate. i like yamyhas though thats all.

[john92]

errr your yz will say the same mate. 20-30 hours. READ THE MANUAL... actually even if you dont more maintainence is better than less.

and all bikes are run in the same, about a tank of fuel alternating throttle positions riding gently then hard just a varied mix of riding, then oil / filter changes

at 20 hours you shoudl check valve clearences and put rings in for good measure. its way cheaper to do that after 20 hours than rebuild.

if your not doing that id say your engine wont last 50 hours.

and what do you mean hard to service, you got 2 sump plugs instead of one. its not rocket science, takes about exactly 30 seconds more than one sump plug.

if like you say you are cleaning your air filter after every 200km im very suprised your bike has lasted to 20 hours. you should do after every ride (or before the next one so the oil dosent seep to the bottom of the filter leaving the top dry). no matter if it was 10min.

OK mate well done
im pretty dure i have done over 30 hours on my yzf and the mechanic at a well known motorbike dealer says there no wear. And how long do think a trail ride or an enduro is. Well over 200km and not many people stop and change the air filter. and if you use quality air filters and oil the oil doesnt seep obviosly your putting to much in.
Runnung a bike in is not something you shoould say near enough is good enough.
Yoiu have to ride half an hour under half throttle then let it cool down and ride for 5 min varied throttle position. repeat for 3-4 times
then ride 1 hr solid varied throttle but still open it up
then dont rev the @#$$ out of it or hold it at the same speed for the rest of the run in time which is 45 minutes. total of 2 1/2 hours
and what does "... actually even if you dont more maintainence is better than less." mean. Well done Ride sik ur one smart cookie

[john92]

all the ones ive read online and in magazines say the KX is the go mate. i like yamyhas though thats all.

What magazines do you read because dirt action which is the best australian dirt bike magazine rated it the best a the kawi third. As Did ADB
so sorry mate your wrong

[liamo]

Runnung a bike in is not something you shoould say near enough is good enough.
Yoiu have to ride half an hour under half throttle then let it cool down and ride for 5 min varied throttle position. repeat for 3-4 times
then ride 1 hr solid varied throttle but still open it up
then dont rev the @#$$ out of it or hold it at the same speed for the rest of the run in time which is 45 minutes. total of 2 1/2 hours
Running motors in is a bit of a myth. It will not make any difference to the longevity of your motor. It will mean that any faults in the manufacturing/production of the bike will show themselves in a more gradual manner and hopefully not cause a catastrophic failure. e.g. if the motor was put together with a faulty bearing you're more likely to notice an odd noise/feel when you're pootling around at 20% throttle, stop to return it to the dealer. More likely than you would be while trying to set a lap record on your new beasty, not notice, keep on riding, blow the thing up big time. It really should be called a settling in period, not a break in period.

john92, I do believe you are missing out on all that is on offer if you simply rate bikes by their magazine test results or what sponno rider x rides. While those tests are a good indicator of what might suit you it still doesn't compare to taking a few different bikes for a quick test and making your own mind up. e.g. I had my heart set on getting a Honda a few years ago until I took one for a ride. Swapped to a mates Kwaka on the same ride and then ponied up for the green. It fitted me better and suited my riding style and as such was the best bike for me. It really didn't make any difference that it didn't win any magazine tests.

And finally, most importantly, it costs you nothing to keep your responses polite. :)

Cheers,

Liam

[evObda2]

Not sure if i missed the post as this topic has gone on forever?!!
(forgive me if this has already been asked to)

But why is the choice to go 250 4stroke over say a 250 2stroke?

Apart from being cheaper, simpler, less maintainance, less parts to maintain & rebuild, far less to go wrong!, easier quicker to rebuild and.. in my experiences arguably more reliable when maintained correctly like any bike. (ive seen some 4strokes go bang in a very big way and then need virtually new motors because of it worth thousands! and also being near new bikes!). Saying that i have mates that 4stroke bikes have gone great from new without a hitch.

Apart from the fact you will get better power from a 250 2stroke. And alot more fun. Ive ridden a few 250 4strokes and they just felt placid almost boring? Still a great bike, but just didnt do it for me like the 2stroke.

I have a current kx250 2stroke (with numerous different manufacturers over the yrs) and a mate bought a new kx450 (or whatever size they are) 4stroke and my 250 is much better to ride. Nowhere near as heavy (my god there heavy!) and kills the 4stroke around the track.
Not that the 450 isnt fast.. definitely has an unbelievable amount of grunt..
Only exception is once the 4stroke gets into the higher gears tends to have more legs. And tends to not be so reliant on correct gear changes. But by that time ive already gone and flying!

So dont waste your money and go buy a 250 2stroke!
(ill wait for the enslaught of 4stroke supporters now haha) :D

[thundergoose]

yes as regarding the crf250r. Honda has been trying to make them respond like a 2 stroke engine. Meaning that they are having many problems with the newer bikes in that having to rebuild them more frequently and they are blowing rings like there is no tomorrow.
As many people have said i would go for the yamaha for the simplicity and is easy to maintain bike. Also yamaha spare parts are reasonably cheap and with the GYTR products available it makes it an easy way to simply upgrade the bike with parts that you can get from your local yamaha dealer.

[floody]

my 250 is much better to ride. Nowhere near as heavy (my god there heavy!)

Whiskey, tango , foxtrot?
Just an interesting comment given theres ~3kg between them. You must have some awesome seat of the pants observational skills to notice the difference between a 97kg bike and a 100kg one!

[kx250f]

buy a 125
i have an 05 kx250f and they are awsome till about a year and a half after you've bought it. A few months ago i got rams head service in to put new valves, seats and springs and it was only $1400, what a bargain.not. you will get at lest halve your 125 engine rebuilt for that if not more. the are slightly slower but if you are good they are more fun and teach alot more about how to ride well. they are cheaper in the first place and are SOOO much easier to maintain. you just have to go to a club day near you and if there is some fast juniors on them they will impress you quite alot with how fast they actually are.
if you have got your heart set on a four stroke then kawasaki's have got a very torquey motor, honda's handle superbly, suzuki's are good at at everything but not the best , ktm's are really fast but they are a bit more expensive all round and yamaha's are the most reliable but you only have to get a magazine with a shootout with them all and they will tell you that they all very close.
oh yea, two strokes are lighter and more flickable if you are big enough to throw them around
hope this help's a bit:)

[blair411]

If you're wanting a bike to last, don't even walk inside a cheap chinese shop. :)

Grab a copy of the latest FreeriderMX mag, its got a comparison of Honda/Yamaha/KTM/Kawasaki for FMX use, and racing...

Sorry if someone mentioned that already.. I didn't read the whole tread..:o

[john92]

Running motors in is a bit of a myth. It will not make any difference to the longevity of your motor. It will mean that any faults in the manufacturing/production of the bike will show themselves in a more gradual manner and hopefully not cause a catastrophic failure. e.g. if the motor was put together with a faulty bearing you're more likely to notice an odd noise/feel when you're pootling around at 20% throttle, stop to return it to the dealer. More likely than you would be while trying to set a lap record on your new beasty, not notice, keep on riding, blow the thing up big time. It really should be called a settling in period, not a break in period.

john92, I do believe you are missing out on all that is on offer if you simply rate bikes by their magazine test results or what sponno rider x rides. While those tests are a good indicator of what might suit you it still doesn't compare to taking a few different bikes for a quick test and making your own mind up. e.g. I had my heart set on getting a Honda a few years ago until I took one for a ride. Swapped to a mates Kwaka on the same ride and then ponied up for the green. It fitted me better and suited my riding style and as such was the best bike for me. It really didn't make any difference that it didn't win any magazine tests.

And finally, most importantly, it costs you nothing to keep your responses polite. :)

Cheers,

Liam

WRONG
you must run in or else things wont wear into their grooves and seat like piston rinds valse etc. this is why minerla oil is used so that it can wear better than syn. I know a person who used syn. from new and the bike smoked from new because the rings werent seated.
Well done
hope the kawi work out
BTW i did ride all the bikes. i did read all the reveiws. and even though they said honda were quicker in 07 i went yzf because i like it and its the best suited to me. This is wat jackson did because he rode myn and many other 250 seeing what best
.

[JacksonDH228]

errr your yz will say the same mate. 20-30 hours. READ THE MANUAL... actually even if you dont more maintainence is better than less.

and all bikes are run in the same, about a tank of fuel alternating throttle positions riding gently then hard just a varied mix of riding, then oil / filter changes

at 20 hours you shoudl check valve clearences and put rings in for good measure. its way cheaper to do that after 20 hours than rebuild.

if your not doing that id say your engine wont last 50 hours.

and what do you mean hard to service, you got 2 sump plugs instead of one. its not rocket science, takes about exactly 30 seconds more than one sump plug.

if like you say you are cleaning your air filter after every 200km im very suprised your bike has lasted to 20 hours. you should do after every ride (or before the next one so the oil dosent seep to the bottom of the filter leaving the top dry). no matter if it was 10min.

yea you obviously do your research, john 92 (my mate) had already passed that 20 hours and he had no problems, i can tell you the yz has the most power, his bike is unbelievable, whoever said running in bike is a myth what are you on about?? haha as if you have to change air filter every 200 km?? how long do you think a race can go for ?

[john92]

yer and y would the oil seep to the bottom what oil are you usiing? Canola oil
so when you have a ride on sat morning your telling me i cant do my airfilter friday night and it wont be alright for saturday
are you saying i have to oil the airfilter the minute before i ride
righto m8 you know your stuff
WELL DONE

[JacksonDH228]

Not sure if i missed the post as this topic has gone on forever?!!
(forgive me if this has already been asked to)

But why is the choice to go 250 4stroke over say a 250 2stroke?

Apart from being cheaper, simpler, less maintainance, less parts to maintain & rebuild, far less to go wrong!, easier quicker to rebuild and.. in my experiences arguably more reliable when maintained correctly like any bike. (ive seen some 4strokes go bang in a very big way and then need virtually new motors because of it worth thousands! and also being near new bikes!). Saying that i have mates that 4stroke bikes have gone great from new without a hitch.

Apart from the fact you will get better power from a 250 2stroke. And alot more fun. Ive ridden a few 250 4strokes and they just felt placid almost boring? Still a great bike, but just didnt do it for me like the 2stroke.

does anyone else find the oil in their air filter deeps to the bottom after as little as 10 minutes haha?? what a joke

I have a current kx250 2stroke (with numerous different manufacturers over the yrs) and a mate bought a new kx450 (or whatever size they are) 4stroke and my 250 is much better to ride. Nowhere near as heavy (my god there heavy!) and kills the 4stroke around the track.
Not that the 450 isnt fast.. definitely has an unbelievable amount of grunt..
Only exception is once the 4stroke gets into the higher gears tends to have more legs. And tends to not be so reliant on correct gear changes. But by that time ive already gone and flying!

So dont waste your money and go buy a 250 2stroke!
(ill wait for the enslaught of 4stroke supporters now haha) :D

yea it deffinately comes down to prefference and riding style, personnaly i dont like power band and find a 2 stroke very unforgiving while trail riding (as in giving it to much juice and loosing it) i would perfer a four stroke just for the low down grunt and reliability, i dontt hink its fait to compare as everyone will have a different opinion and each bike has advantages and disadvantages, just personal prefference:D

[haydenmadder]

ktm got most power, hydo clutch, 6 gears, wp suspension, brembo brakes, excel rims, heavy duty spokes and hubs, renthal fat bars,

just go buy one better than and bloody jap bike. i've had a valve eatter(CRF), a bike with no power(yamy) and dont get me started on kawa and suzuki
get a ktm

[|Matt|]

ktm got most power, hydo clutch, 6 gears, wp suspension, brembo brakes, excel rims, heavy duty spokes and hubs, renthal fat bars,

just go buy one better than and bloody jap bike. i've had a valve eatter(CRF), a bike with no power(yamy) and dont get me started on kawa and suzuki
get a ktm

Terrific, what a well explained, coherent post...just like all the other STP riders.

[sawtell]

what is it with motorbike, or car threads and the tendency to turn to utter shit?

[blair411]

ktm got most power, hydo clutch, 6 gears, wp suspension, brembo brakes, excel rims, heavy duty spokes and hubs, renthal fat bars,

just go buy one better than and bloody jap bike. i've had a valve eatter(CRF), a bike with no power(yamy) and dont get me started on kawa and suzuki
get a ktm

you're so dumb :rolleyes:

[floody]

what is it with motorbike, or car threads and the tendency to turn to utter shit?

I know having worked in a motorbike shop, EVERYONE knows EVERYTHING about MX bikes. Hence these threads are full to the brim with WISDOM some 16 year old kid is parrotting from his moron minibike Dad.

[slip]

WISDOM some 16 year old kid is parrotting from his moron minibike Dad.

And Magazines....Oh the Magazine Pro's who know everything but haven't ridden one of the bloody things.

[floody]

Not to mention that Yamaha and Honda practically always winning every test would have NOTHING to do with them being the main advertisers in every motorcycle magazine...

I think the original poster should get the KTM, and a full suit of Shift or No Fear riding gear, a nice M2R Helmet and some Unit graphics.

[Breaka]

Floody is always right when it comes to tech specs and cars/motorbikes in general. I'd be taking Floody's advice.

And Slip, you're forgetting the Internet Riders. They know everything mate.

Personally I'd be going a Honda. It's been too long since I've been on a bike so I'll have (hopefully) a crf450 in the garage this time next year.

[Breaka]

I think the original poster should get the KTM, and a full suit of Shift or No Fear riding gear, a nice M2R Helmet and some Unit graphics.

What? Not a nice pink Bubba jersey? I heard riding shirtless with bodyarmour on is pretty cool these days too.

[|Matt|]

What? Not a nice pink Bubba jersey? I heard riding shirtless with bodyarmour on is pretty cool these days too.

Mate. Kids these days ride with rhinestone Michael Jackson gloves, and are otherwise naked, except for of course a cricket box to protect their (or lack thereof) boy goods and a pair of swimming goggles.

[slip]

Just as a completely wild thought, here's how I buy a bike/car. I know it's completely unrelated to the rest of the thread, but what the hell.

Research
Shortlist
Ride all shortlisted
Ponder
Purchase

Works pretty well, except when you completely delude yourself as to the practicalities of having a kickstart 570cc Euro Motard as your only transport.

[john92]

Today was the first race of the season. ME and my best mate are racing enduro. about 1 hr in his CRF250 packs it up. a=IT is in mint cond. its and 05 model and has done next to nothing. and that blew up. everyone crf owner that i personally know has had a rebuild
i asked the mechanic from pak yamaha and they say crfs do top ends every 10-20 hrs
thats pathetic
so overall
he gets 1 hr of riding waste of enetry
blown up bike
no result
well done honda

[floody]

Today was the first race of the season. ME and my best mate are racing enduro. about 1 hr in his CRF250 packs it up.

Its 3 seasons old.
Yes such service intervals are typical, these four stroke MX bikes use very light parts and rev extremely hard; servicing is CRITICAL.

[john92]

Yes but it hasnt race ever before
it was bought off family friend which he knows used it little
Be warned crf owners the first sign of a top end problem is being hard to start and the everything will feel tight. Dont keep riding
stop and get it fixed

[|-Mark-|]

kawasaki ftw.

[Rider Down!!!]

hahahahahahahaha,i love this thread,only about 5% off you know what your talking about.hahahaha.
Anyway,i raced mx for 7 years and now im doing fmx and getting payed for it:p...here's a few very short details about every brand that i have been associated with(bought or got given):NOTE 250'F's

KTM:or known as gaytm etc...there a great bike if you maintain and care for it,they are not that more expensive than other makes if any but,parts and rebuilds do tend to be more expensive.But nowdays there are alot more ktm's and dealers getting around soo its alot easier to get rebuilds done,and get fussy parts in.

Yamaha:Personally they are my favriout brand of bike(even when i was sponno'd by suzuki ssssshhhh).I have honestly never had a problem with any apart from my 06 250f which done a gearbox(which was my fault as i raced it with a rooted spocket).

Suzuki:They are also a great bike if you keep them well maintained,the 06,07 rmz's have a known engine problem which they have claimed to have got under control in 08(dont hold your breath).when i raced mine it had 4 engine rebuilds in 8 months,but it was ridden very hard most w/e's.

Honda:IMO the 2 banga's are the way to go if your looking at a 2 stroke there reliable and smooth to ride,but since your looking for a 250f ild steer way clear of them due to there uber valve problems.

TM:I love my tm's there a great bike,probebly one off the best speced race bikes around(450),there smooth and have alot off power down low,but i wouldnt recommend it for a first bike due to the :eek:factor.

And thats it,i havent had anything to do with kawasaki's but there practically the same bike as the rmz aprat from the stickers.

Sorry about my spelling i left school in year 9 to become a butcher,so that eplains it:rolleyes:.

[floody]

Yes but it hasnt race ever before


That frankly means very little. Without an hour meter...you might as well just rebuild straight up as you will then know what you are getting.

Lesson learnt I guess.
BTW, I'd rather a secondhand race bike, 'never raced' is normally code for 'flogged around forestry, unmaintained snotheap'.

It does sound more like your mate was unlucky; which happens.

[slip]

BTW, I'd rather a secondhand race bike, 'never raced' is normally code for 'flogged around forestry, unmaintained snotheap'.

Quoted for truth. Any decent racer looks after their machinery VERY well, and has a much higher standard mechanically. What may be acceptable on a recreational bike might be considered well due for replacement on a race bike.

There are many reasons racing is so expensive - parts/maintenance are a pretty major reason.

[tld_06]

Victoria have the new LAMS (sp?) laws as of mid this year, this way all the kids who go out and buy RGV 250's (65BHP, 130?kg) as their first bike will be protected. Luckily my RVF400 will be legal:D

As for 250cc MX bikes, Honda have stopped making the CR250 and 125 2 strokes. My opinion of the 250/4's are low. Though they are powerful, tourqey, smooth, the maintanence and running costs are riduculously high. A top end rebuild for a CRF250 (04-08) is upwards of $1500. This is the same for any other brand. This is due to all the engines having Titanium valves. 4-valves per cylinder, $220+ per valve = very expensive re-build.

Stay clear of Post 2000 model CR250 and 125 2strokes as they had electronic powervalves and it had the powerband of a lightswitch.

Haha I see it all the time on eBay, floody, "Never raced" Only thrashed by all his mates every day after school. I love it.

[JacksonDH228]

hey, as there was contriversy on what bike is better i have decided to poll it so we can see clearly what is the more popular or even better bike.

[crazzy dazzy]

yeh ide go kawi they are always good bikes

[JacksonDH228]

yeh ide go kawi they are always good bikes

yea well done mate, you obviously didnt read the thread or go to english class. WELL DONE

[Plow King]

Jeeeese this thread is painfull to read, please some of you. Just stick to mountain bikes.

[Rider Down!!!]

just got rid off my 07 yz450f and my minitruck,and this thing is on its way to my front door from italy somewhere(the pic is of a wittle 450 mines a 530;)).Im excited and ready to get my arms ripped off...Ive been riding my 250 2 banga alot lately soo itl be a nice change,and itl be good to get back racing agian:).

[ranga jack]

KTM man all the way

i had a KTM 500 and my Bro had a yamaha 450F
and it pisses all over him it is the sweetest bike ive ever ridin

just donb't come of ridin around top speed you will regret it
(i was in hospital for a month)

[liamo]

yea well done mate, you obviously didnt read the thread or go to english class. WELL DONECrikey mate, you ask for people's opinions, specifically mentioning Kawasaki in your original question, and then you dump on them when they give it. I don't see what was wrong with someone saying that they reckon Kwakas make good bikes :confused: Since when has anyone argued that they don't?

By the way, you're in a glass house when it come to spelling, punctuation and grammar :p

I don't really know why I'm posting, this thread is so painful that I think I might just go and do something else...

Enjoy yourselves :)

[Rider Down!!!]

KTM man all the way

i had a KTM 500 and my Bro had a yamaha 450F
and it pisses all over him it is the sweetest bike ive ever ridin

just donb't come of ridin around top speed you will regret it
(i was in hospital for a month)

well obviously a 500 2 stroke would go harder than a 450f,but i rekon my old yz450f could give ya 500 a run 4 its money....with me on it:D

[a.davis12]

my girlfriends dad owns a rather large chain of motorbike shops, he rides a honda so that must say something about them, he is getting older though so it might just be for the ride characteristics.

[Free-AgentBMX]

suzuki and yamaha are probly (sp?) your best choice, the RM-250 (2stroke) and RM-Z 450 (4 stroke) and the Yamaha YZ and YZF are good bikes..

Dont go for KTM's as i heard they break alot, thats just what i heard and ive never riden one so i wouldnt no.

Cam

[SMIIISH]

KTM should poo on any competition. neighbour is an engineer in the metal industries. LIVES around these kind of machines. from people who know their stuff, he wouldnt choose any other!

[tld_06]

The majority of bikes are all similiar in performance these days. All have different characteristics.

The general rule of thumb I've gone by is usually:

European Bikes: Quick, agile, sharp handling. Brands such as TM and KTM are using White Power/Marzocchi good stuff.

Jap Bikes: Dedset reliable, Quick, easy to ride. Brands such as Honda use 48mm Showa forks which are a bit too soft for heavier riders.

[Downhill Domination]

KTM is definately the best spec. list. I know as I ride moto but thy are not really good value and there Miny Bikes are prone to screwing up!

I have a Hondo so Honda all the way!!!!!!!! :cool: :D