Bike Neon

[milne]

Would anyone be interested in a bike neon because at the moment I'm designing a make you're own bike neon...
it would probably cost about $40
but I'm working on it

I don't know if you can buy them at the moment you probably can but they probably don't put out allot of light?

Anyways I'm back to the drawing board

[Mahoney_007]

Hahaha like the rice machines in the Fast and Furious!

Nuh I'll pass thanks anyways.

[milne]

my neighbor is gonna gimme money for him because he does allot of night riding so yer I'm designing one's to fit on bmx and mtb.

[chrus]

wheres ur power source? battery in backpack?

[Mahoney_007]

Ohhhh more like a headlight! Sorry man I kinda pictured these green glow sticks on the bottom of ya frame so when your cruising the hood it looks "pimpin".

Ohhhh more like a headlight! Sorry man I kinda pictured these green glow sticks on the bottom of ya frame so when your cruising the hood it looks "pimpin".

hahah fool seek subw00fAr bro

[Bonnet]

no but seriously...a couple of those mini neons you stick around your car stereo could fit quite nicely under the chain stays, and they only need a 12volt source, so one of those 'rectangular' 12v batteries would power them fine. i might investigate this, cos i know some people who ride these- http://www.3gbikes.com/no_flash.html would love 'em on they're bikes.

then all they need is
seek subw00fAr bro

[bazza]

Ohhhh more like a headlight! Sorry man I kinda pictured these green glow sticks on the bottom of ya frame so when your cruising the hood it looks "pimpin".

hahah fool seek subw00fAr bro

beet me to it bitch!!!!! excpet its full,yyyyy sick mateee than instert yourwork hahah. just buy a lboody cat eye front light or something man.

[MrPlow]

Would anyone be interested in a bike neon
No.

Perhaps you should explain what int intended purpose will be?

[milne]

That's exactly what it is a car neon under you're frame which should shine onto the ground at night so it gives that efect...
but yes I'm working on a battery in a drink bottle that you put in you're drink bottle holder or a unit that just clips onto you're frame

And yes it does have an on and off switch encase the cops run after you lol

I'm investigating all the properties of a car neon...

ok, heres the 411 y0 dawg.

1. Fullllyyyyyyyy (there you go spelt it right this time) seek subw00far neons on bikes wouldnt work because bikes arnt low enough
2. Novelty would wear off
3. Bikes dont have enough chrome
4. theres no place to put nos, greddy, kenwood and other shopping list stickers on a frame
5. No spoilers on bikes

[milne]

Basic Concept
http://www.farkin.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=6724

[manny24]

That's exactly what it is a car neon under you're frame which should shine onto the ground at night so it gives that efect...
so, the intended purpose is to look like a tool then?

[olsson]

Basic Concept
http://www.farkin.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=6724

Might I say, that you'd have to have a pretty big battery to run this?
All those weight weeiners wouldn't like it :!:

[Dane]

That's exactly what it is a car neon under you're frame which should shine onto the ground at night so it gives that efect...
so, the intended purpose is to look like a tool then?

no don't u gut it!? the intended purpos
e is 2 look liek fulllyy sIk, u no.

All those weight weeiners wouldn't like it :!:
some how i don't think it would appeal to them for reasons other than weight.

[milne]

what ever you reckon i reckon it'd look mad...and i reckon others would too

specially used night riding in the city or sumthing...

[Dane]

as much as i hate to actually make a resonable contribution to this thread. head over to autobarn and pick up a pair of those tyre valve led caps. unlike this half-baked idea by milne. i think they could/would (at least for a little while) look cool in some night shots. especially with a slow shutter speed.

[MrPlow]

Yeh, den lower it maaate. just let dem preload down on ya shockies bro...sic mate 8)
Den you could tilt ya seat right the way back bro, and put your helmet on backwards. fully phat if it was a full face maate.
Get some fully sic bling bling (whipperman) chains round your neck then bro and you would get sum major repekept from the wess'side crew yo. :roll:


Aah bit harsh milne, but I am more of a mountain biker than a ricebiker. Leave the doof doof to my fully sic barina SRI

[milne]

soz for any offense made...
but weight weenies it can be taken off an put on like why would you leave it on all the time like wtf

when i build a prototype (hardcore engineering term) i will post some pics at night...

[bazza]

soz for any offense made...
but weight weenies it can be taken off an put on like why would you leave it on all the time like wtf

when i build a prototype (hardcore engineering term) i will post some pics at night...

please spare us. no seriously. iLikeBasS has the right idea though. that would give you your stupid lighting look thing happening. and what happens if you try anything pracitacal on that frame and you bang the underside of your frame? bye bye lightly! so it looks like its just going to be a posser bike anyway.

[manny24]

hey milne, maybe you could make one fit around a set of hope 4 pots!!! i think lotecsiriusconcept would love the idea :wink:

[Rik]

Might I say, that you'd have to have a pretty big battery to run this?
All those weight weeiners wouldn't like it :!:
Nah not really actually...

Why don't you use glowwire, sure it's just as fragile as neons, but it's also alot more versatile.

I had a similar idea pop in to my head once, but when I came to realise how fucken lame it'd be, I moved on ;)

[bazza]

I had a similar idea pop in to my head once, but when I came to realise how fucken lame it'd be, I moved on ;)

if only everyone was like you rik.

[milne]

when I'm older i want to be an electronic engineer
so may as-well stat now
maybe i could put it in and clear piping encase someone smashed it it would be in the pipe so you could just throw it out and replace it...
but I'm still gonna do it

[Sasquatch]

Here's your first customer:

http://www.geocities.com/icyhotstunnaz/

Sell em in Fubu and Kappa designs and they'll go like hot cakes. Maybe the premium model could come with an integrated 0.12" Sub-Woofa? :lol:

Nah man full respect for having a go at something your interested in, you just gotta realise you probably aint gonna sell more than one :)

[milne]

how sad were did you find that site

[Mugger]

You could EL Cable they use in computers. It delivers a smaller glow but you just wrap it aroudn your frame and.

Neons wouldn't create a sufficent amoutn of glow to make seeing rocks and stuff easier. :)

[milne]

Wtf mugger that makes no sense you don't look underneath you when you're riding i dunno if you do but arg you'll stack it's more for show

and yer they do put out allot of glow...
plus you can detach them

[Mugger]

I agree with the others that the rice isn't really needed :)

[ruthlessgirl]

http://www.hokeyspokes.com/

http://www.firetire.com/bicyclepg.htm

http://www.neontrim.com/bike.html

i saw a thing at our bike show that was like glowsticks all around the frame but was battery powered, like a waterbottle battery...

[milne]

unlike those ones you showed me in the link these are 12 inches and they put out more glow...

thank you for the links they might give me some ideas

[Superman]

i like your idea but i think that they would only look best on dragstars and cruisers.

and if your riding say dh, the glass could brake easily, e.g. from a flicked up rock, or from a bike-tree collision.

[milne]

think logical superman sam
you take it off when you're doing technical riding but then again earlier in this post i said i could enclose the neon inside a clear tube encase the tube got shmashed...
it's more on an urban night riding thing i keep saying that don't i...

yer good idea cruisers and dragstars good stuff superman sam...
plus the clear tube is that stuff you bye that fishponds have you know???
it's a clear rubbery tube which can flex and bend

[Rik]

think logical superman sam

Logic says it's a useless idea... sure, it'd look "cool" to some, but you'll get laughed at, and draw bad attention to yourself.

[Mugger]

Maybe if you wanted to look sweet doing dh you could make a 'perspex box' to protect the neon.

[Ty]

i don't know if i'm doing it right, but my "urban" riding consists of riding ledges and rails while trying not to get hassled by security or the police, i don't see any point in my 'urban' riding where i would want some bright light that is designed to attract attention.

[milne]

that's why there is an on/off switch encase the cops come after you just turn it off...

perspex case you'd smash the perspex case then the neon an shit would go everywhere

thats why you use a rubbery pipe

[Ty]

that's why there is an on/off switch encase the cops come after you just turn it off...

perspex case you'd smash the perspex case then the neon an shit would go everywhere

thats why you use a rubbery pipe

i hate to tell you mate but i believe resisting arrest (running away) is actualy a bigger crime than wilfull damage (grinding ledges) and i reckon you'd stand a pretty good chance of being caught for a few reasons.


1) the police or security would see you along time before you ever saw them
2) those police arn't as clueless as you may think (damn ghost bikes, this city is full of them [/wiggum hugging homer]

i don't even know why i'm bothering to comment on this dumb arse idea.

[milne]

i wouldn't no I've never gone night riding but some of me mates have and they just pedal the hell out there...

ask him you're self

[Mugger]

2) those police arn't as clueless as you may think (damn ghost bikes, this city is full of them [/wiggum hugging homer]

i don't even know why i'm bothering to comment on this dumb arse idea.

LOL, but seriously milne is a very ambitous (sp?) person so restpa each other :wink:

[Rik]

perspex case you'd smash the perspex case then the neon an shit would go everywhere
thats why you use a rubbery pipe
So, an impact that'll break perspex won't break a tube inside flexible piping? Umm...

If your "urban" riding constitutes mainly posing (which is what alot do on our Sydney rides), then fair enough, but sheesh dude, last thing you want is a bright light to draw attention to yourself.

[milne]

noooooo you don't get it...
ok visualize this...
you're riding along and you're neon hits a pole or something and it smashes but if it is inside a rubbery clear tube the pieces will not go everywhere, then you just replace the neon...
and so what a light attract atention...
say you were riding along a did a 10ft drop in the city and people would notice you and then people would crowd around and you're the main attraction i don't see anything wrong with that

[Mugger]

Milne, they're talking about attention as in your getting attention from cops.

[DJ_Robbie]

i reckon you should just stop backing up your point, because it is just going to fail for most, oh and you also have to be able to do a 10 foot drop first, i donno if you can but a 10 foot drop gets respect anyway, you dont need lights.

[Mugger]

Also some people don't really care about some crazy ass not giving a shit about his body.

Im done :)

[milne]

You can't even support someone how sad...
if you came up with the idea I'd support you, but you didn't so there so I'd like a little bit of respect thank you.
i don't see me dissing you're ideas

by the way i suppose you could put it anywhere you wanted...
you're hangers or under you're seat if it was that rope stuff mugga was on about.

i don't get it why are you scared of cops seeing you not like they can through you in jail for riding round at night with a neon on you're bike.

[Mugger]

My last post wasn't directed to your idea, it was direct your following comment:

Ok visualize this...
you're riding along and you're neon hits a pole or something and it smashes but if it is inside a rubbery clear tube the pieces will not go everywhere, then you just replace the neon...
and so what a light attract atention...
say you were riding along a did a 10ft drop in the city and people would notice you and then people would crowd around and you're the main attraction i don't see anything wrong with that

Im just expressing my opinion on your idea, not dissing it out fully.

[milne]

it's either a good idea or a bad one... but i'm still goin to try it out.

[Mugger]

Just try it, just ignore everyones comments (including myself). Just try and create some form of protection for the neon.

[Rik]

i don't get it why are you scared of cops seeing you not like they can through you in jail for riding round at night with a neon on you're bike.
I think that just about ends this thread. It seems you have NO idea at all.
Ok, you're out riding with stupid glowey shit on your bike. You attract more attention than a rider that's just rolling about with no gay (yes, proper use for the word, brightly coloured) accessories. This attention will eventually lead to you getting pulled over by the police (or just punched in the head by a random pedestrian standing up for taste and decency of bicycles).

Let's see what the police could do you for... this is assuming you're riding a MTB that's set up for mtb'ing, and doing "urban" stuff that's generally looked down on. Ok...
no bell, no reflectors, no lights, riding on the footpath, riding in a dangerous manner, destruction of property (if you're grinding), I don't know much about the law, but I'm sure they could do you for being a general nuisance too.
These things you can get fined for, and fines cost money, sure it isn't as bad as gaol, but do you really want to spend hundreds of dollars paying fines for small things like the above?
Another thing... if you try to ride away from them, fair enough, you might get away... but you'll never be able to ride in the city again, because police will know you're that dumb kid with glowey shit on his bike, that ran away from them last time.

You've never been city riding, so you don't know what it's like... it's so easy to attract bad attention already, and you're always going to be in the wrong no matter what, so putting neon lights on your bike is only going to attract even more bad attention, which is not what you want. It's just a plain silly idea so far.

If you decided you're going to put them on a big fat chopper, and roll around posing, then fair enough, it might be cool... but if you intend on doing proper riding, it's a bad idea. But then again, riding around on a fat chopper posing sounds like alot of people doing "urban" on their DH bikes :lol: (present company included :oops: )

I'm not down on your idea as such, as I am happy to give technical advice regarding setting it up and all that, but I just think you need to take a step back, and realise that what you intend to do needs to be reconsidered.

[naz]

get a glowstick cut it open and just pour the shit on your bike
cheap and light

[Ryan]

it's either a good idea or a bad one... but i'm still goin to try it out.

No it's not, it's just a bad idea.

Seriously, if I catch anyone from this board riding around the Brisbane CBD with your bike tarted up like a fucking disco I'm going to punch you in the face. We have enough problems sessioning ANY good spots in the city without being hassled by security as it is.

Any device designed purely for
a) Wanksthetics (like aesthetics, only wanky) and
b) Drawing attention to yourself
Is in my opinion, hopelessly misguided
That's just my opinion though.

[Mugger]

My new view:
Neons on a bike is an actually a preety good idea for safety if you are riding on the road. You don't have to have the neon switched on when your riping it up in urban but you'd turn it on when your riding home so people can SEE YOU and not HIT you.

[milne]

nice fact mugger...
never thought of that...

[tu plang]

i don't get it why are you scared of cops seeing you not like they can through you in jail for riding round at night with a neon on you're bike.

Let's see what the police could do you for... this is assuming you're riding a MTB that's set up for mtb'ing, and doing "urban" stuff that's generally looked down on. Ok...
no bell, no reflectors, no lights, riding on the footpath, riding in a dangerous manner, destruction of property (if you're grinding), I don't know much about the law, but I'm sure they could do you for being a general nuisance too.


rik, u seem to be forgettin that ud have "cool neons" on the bike

[Rik]

rik, u seem to be forgettin that ud have "cool neons" on the bike
Which offer nothing more than a warm glow, and are angled to illuminate underneath the bike. Fantastic :D Safety factor of neons would be close to 0, trust me, nothing but flashing lights can gain attention on the road at night.

[tu plang]

i think ur sarcasm meter is malfunctioning rik, u had better take a look at it.

[Rik]

i think ur sarcasm meter is malfunctioning rik, u had better take a look at it.
I'm well aware of the sarcasm of your post, I just thought it'd be a good opportunity to let them know that the predicted "safety" aspect of such illumination is nothing but delusion.

[jamo]

HEY LOOK!

al the wankers that are taking the shit out of his idea you knwo who you are!

i give the boy FULL respect for coming up with the idea! thats the perfect mind set of an entrepenuer!
well done son!

yeah wogs can be tossers with their neons, but they look gay under cars. the roads are lit up like fuck anyways!

bike trails arent, and i reckon dood if you can design one that is really light, and works efficiently, then i think it may be a AWESOME idea.

you will be able to see everyone on the trail at night, and may be a real good safety feature. especially on hardcore downhill trails at night.

ill put my money that something like this is gonna be around in a couple of years.

NICE ONE BRUV!!!

[ruthlessgirl]

how about something like that?

http://www.glowmark.net/bike.htm

[Dane]

you will be able to see everyone on the trail at night, and may be a real good safety feature. especially on hardcore downhill trails at night.

ill put my money that something like this is gonna be around in a couple of years.

there are many companies that already make "something like this". You are able to purchase "tail lights" from many stores (inc supermarkets, toy stores, bike shops etc). these are able to be set to flash, or still, or even flash in paterns. The flashing function is highly effective, especially in attracting attention from cars that might not otherwise see you.

[Dane]

(or just punched in the head by a random pedestrian standing up for taste and decency of bicycles).

bahahahaha!

Let's see what the police could do you for... this is assuming you're riding a MTB that's set up for mtb'ing, and doing "urban" stuff that's generally looked down on. Ok...
no bell, no reflectors, no lights, riding on the footpath, riding in a dangerous manner, destruction of property (if you're grinding), I don't know much about the law, but I'm sure they could do you for being a general nuisance too.

for some reason i also get the impression the milne will get done for no helmet as well.

[wombat]

"No, dig up stupid!" I find it amusing that this discussion is still going.


HEY LOOK!

al the wankers that are taking the shit out of his idea you knwo who you are!

i give the boy FULL respect for coming up with the idea! thats the perfect mind set of an entrepenuer!
well done son! ......may be a real good safety feature. especially on hardcore downhill trails at night.

To you Jamo, the "wankers" here are simply doing what milne originally asked for: giving feedback! All the reasons they have given have been logical, and practical suggestions, and the fact that milne is getting argumentative and personal over it all shows a lack of willingness to try and develop his idea.

As for your argument of saftey on the "hardcore" trails, well I would suggest that a good lighting system is going to be much more visible than some neons, and anyone attempting a "hardcore" trail at night without a decent lighting system deserves to be run into; I'd just write it off to natural selection.

[DeSloth]

well i can see reasons why this would look kinda cool.

I can also see why it might be inconvenient etc. You'd also have to watch out for road laws reguarding neons.

Getting away from the whole neon tube thing there is a much much smaller, lighter and tougher alternative out there. LEDS. You can get them insanely bright (they use them in flashlights etc) and many different colours. Jayjar in QLD has em for like 2 bucks each... they draw practically no current at all (i.e. neon = designed to be run off car battery = will flatten battery packs kinda quick. LEDS will run for yonks off a 9v battery) and run at about 4 volts each. check it out, pm me if u have q's

[jamo]

To you Jamo, the "wankers" here are simply doing what milne originally asked for: giving feedback! All the reasons they have given have been logical, and practical suggestions, and the fact that milne is getting argumentative and personal over it all shows a lack of willingness to try and develop his idea.

he probably has no choice to be an ass because you guys are ALWAYS (in all threads), posting absolute SHIT, that 35% of the time doesnt even have any end result/effect.

anyways, thats teh life if threads.
GOOD LUCK MILNES.

take it to the board!

[Rik]

i.e. neon = designed to be run off car battery = will flatten battery packs kinda quick.
The current drawn by a neon is very low, you can run battery powered neons with no problems at all. But then again, an LED cluster would be an even better solution in most aspects.

[wombat]

he probably has no choice to be an ass because you guys are ALWAYS (in all threads), posting absolute SHIT, that 35% of the time doesnt even have any end result/effect.

anyways, thats teh life if threads.
GOOD LUCK MILNES.

take it to the board!

So you're saying that "us guys" (I'm presuming you're referring to the guys who were telling milne his idea probably wasn't worth pursuing) put up posts of no relevance 100% of the time (that's what "always" means you know)?

So admins like Ty and Ryan, and mods like Rik have never posted anything constructive? And obviously know nothing of street riding because they're never done anything of the sort? Well geez, I don't know what forums I've been reading, because it obviously hasn't been Farkin!

Jamo I'm deeply sorry that I have been so confused lately, and the true contributors on Farkin are people like you, who are far to superior to use complete words and coherent sentences.
How about we go one better, and ban all the mods and admin, because you've enlightened us to the fact that they never post anything constructive. I'm sure that that would be the best way to improve the quality of the forums here. Why didn't anybody else think of this???

[DeSloth]

You've said your bit Wombat....

The guy has had an idea, somthing for which Australians are renowned. If we basted every idea that didn't seem brilliant instantly I hope you realise you probably wouldn't be riding a bike (they would not exist) and it certainly wouldn't have suspension (bmx started the suspension thing in the 70's but it was a dismal fauilure at the time. took years & a bit of refinement to get it going half properly).

He asked for feedback not to be critised. If there's a legitimate concern just state it reasonably/nicely.... 'Thart Wilz Lurk CarP/crap' (a useless comment in this context - no justification & purely discouraging) could even be of some merit if the person simply said 'I probably wouldn't ride with it, it's been done'

yeah Rik not sure it car neons are 'true' neon but they are meant to draw pretty low power. An LED uses somthing in the vicinity of 30 milliamps... not much at all.

Check this link out & use google for a lot more info
http://www.theledlight.com/technical.html

Best of luck with your idea dude. I, for one, can see people riding around with such lights in the not too distant future....hahah If you use LEDS and end up makin money off it shotty a free one!!

[wombat]

I have no problem with someone putting forward an idea, but constructive criticsm is feedback (yes I know there was some very un-constructive criticsm too). If all he wanted was positive feedback, then he shouldn't have asked for people's opinions. Reagrdless, what really gets up me is other people accusing some of the most senior members of these forums of posting nothing but shit. I'm not convinced of the merits of the idea, but if he wants to give it a shot more power to him. Rik made a number of technical suggestions though, and Ty simply questioned the practicality of such an invention; there was no need to accuse them of posting worthless info 24/7.

[Rik]

yeah Rik not sure it car neons are 'true' neon but they are meant to draw pretty low power. An LED uses somthing in the vicinity of 30 milliamps... not much at all.


I did a bit of research to refresh my memory of lighting (I used to be into computer casemodding so have experience with this stuff :oops: ) A "standard" 12v 12" neon tube (pretty much the same that are sold for cars) draw around 250mA. A Cold Cathode Fluorescent tube (CC) draw about 5mA and have "crisper" light output. CC's are also available in 100mm and 300mm lengths, so due to the sizing options are a bit more versatile. Their only real downfall is cost, and they generate a bit of heat. CC's are sold as a glass tube only, so you have to DIY a protective housing... they're fairly fragile too, so that's a big problem.
Neon/CC's are great for their efficiency and light output, but you have to dick about with inverters (just something more to go wrong), and they're more susceptable to damage. I don't know how they'd take shocks either, probably not the best.

If you were to make an LED cluster, you'd want at least 5 high intensity 5mm LED's, or 20+ "standard" cheapo LED's to get a decent amount of light output. A H.I. LED will set you back anywhere from $1 to $5 each (varies with colour and brightness). They'll pull about 20mA at 2V-5V, so you're looking at 100mA and $10 for a cluster with decent light output.
LED's are so simple, and durable, it'd be well worth using them in a situation where ruggedness is desirable. If it was on a beach cruiser, I'd say run a CC under each chainstay, and maybe one under the downtube... but if it's on a bike that'll do any more than ride off a gutter, bring on the LED's... they may cost more in the end, and possibly draw more current per cluster than CC's/neons, but the durability is worth it. If you wanted to get supertricky, you could run chaser circuits around your bike, for extra dazzling "punch me in the head 'cause I'm a christmas tree on wheels" effect.

Either way, I don't think current draw is a huge issue, some decent rechargeable batteries will be light and small enough to not get in the way, and have enough capacity to run any of the above for a decent amount of time.

[DeSloth]

what really gets up me is other people accusing some of the most senior members of these forums of posting nothing but sh!t.

I get what you're saying dude, but I don't see any senior members or specific people mentioned anywhere in Jamo's post(s). Milnes has put his gonads on the line by putting an idea of his own in a public arena. I believe what Jamo was saying is that if you're getting your jollys from paying the guy out - get a life.

Good on ya Jamo & best of luck to Milnes

I'm sorry wombat. One of your posts (also last one on page) was dripping with so much sarcasm it made my monitor soggy. Hence I kinda jumped on it. (Also you might want to fix up the slight typo four words left of "complete words" & coherent etc. - it kinda ruined it for me)

[floody]

The best mtb application for neons would be on one of those old mongoose carbon fibre frames with the split down"tube" - people who've been around a while will know what I mean...That would look pretty something something with the glow emanating from the split area...



Oh and I'd recommend hitting a big stairgap with it to show it off too :? :wink: ...

[stewyg]

wat realy gets to me about this thred is the stereotyping of people who happen to like .... wats the term u people use... ricer cars??? :? i assume by this you meen imported cars that arnt jacked up hiluxes with tryhard stickers like YURI and AMB.

wats with that it looks all gay and stuff, ok now i set myself to get myself flamed... :lol:

safety on the trails and on streets is a big thing, the neons could be set up to pulse to attrect attention without lookin nerdy like the bloody LED tail lights and fluro vests.
on the other hand it is impractical to try to install such a device on a bike, as far as i can tell, but mate, its your idea, so go for it, if u get something ill buy it just to help you get ur carerr goin. :wink:

[lotec]

hey milne, maybe you could make one fit around a set of hope 4 pots!!! i think lotecsiriusconcept would love the idea :wink:

yea yea put me down for two!! :D :roll:

[danv]

No matter what anyone else thinks about the concept, it sounds like an awesome project.

The wankers are the ones would go out and spend money on a neon, instead of a better component or something for their bike, just to look cool. The wankers are not the people who invent stuff themselves.

If your interested in it, and thinking seriously about going into the area in the future, then its a great idea. It might also be good for some creative photography. I wouldnt stop at just the glow under the frame, theres probably heaps of shit you could do if you got creative. Good luck man, and full props to anyone doing a do it yourself project.
(except for those fucken wanks on lifestyle TVshows)

[dumb 01]

gees, last time i read this thread it had 4 posts, boy has it gone down hill. i think many of you should have just left it alone.

the dudes interested in electronics and bikes and hes found a way to combine the two. if u dont like the idea sure, but there's no need to kick the guy.

like Rik said.
if you used a cold cathode, which u can buy at Jaycar then u should be able to run it off a small 9v battery (but not ideal).
The cc is also small in diameter(about 3-5mm) than conventional neon tube (and has more bang), as u said milne put it in some of that clear piping and u shouldnt have any trouble with it breaking under most circumstances.
stick the inverter n battery in a suitable container (this is the more fragile part) with a switch, then u have a lite, tight, bright light.

high brightness LEDs are sweet but i wouldnt use them for this personally (i wouldnt put neons on my bike personally).

Hope this helps u out

I though electronic servo controlled gear changing would be a sweet idea. would allow you to do bar spins and still run gears, but theres a few hurdles to overcome.

[Dane]

wat realy gets to me about this thred is the stereotyping of people who happen to like .... wats the term u people use... ricer cars??? :? i assume by this you meen imported cars that arnt jacked up hiluxes with tryhard stickers like YURI and AMB.

wats with that it looks all gay and stuff, ok now i set myself to get myself flamed... :lol:

no a ricer would be a lowered import with try hard stickers like nos or GReddy or a whole bunch of asian characters (that probably just say "door" and "insert key above"), and also have a useless amount of plastic, fake carbon and fibreglass (that would only slow the car down - weight/aerodynamics).

i reckon the people who drive these sorts of cars have brought the image apon themselves with their "phwoar look at mii faas kaa" attitude.

and stewg don't have a crack at people for stereotyping when you do it in the following sentence.

[SPyX]

You're not really investigating better solutions.

Chrus knows how much lighter, thinner, stronger cold cathode tubes are. All it would need is abit more protection, i.e another perspex semi-tube to go over the cathode?

http://www.pccasegear.com.au/category5_1.htm

Check it ;)

Oh and, yes I would be interested, aslong as it was velcro-based or something, so it doesn't just sit there 24/7

[stewyg]

iLikeBasS wrote
stewyg wrote:
wat realy gets to me about this thred is the stereotyping of people who happen to like .... wats the term u people use... ricer cars??? i assume by this you meen imported cars that arnt jacked up hiluxes with tryhard stickers like YURI and AMB.

wats with that it looks all gay and stuff, ok now i set myself to get myself flamed...


no a ricer would be a lowered import with try hard stickers like nos or GReddy or a whole bunch of asian characters (that probably just say "door" and "insert key above"), and also have a useless amount of plastic, fake carbon and fibreglass (that would only slow the car down - weight/aerodynamics).

and stewg don't have a crack at people for stereotyping when you do it in the following sentence.


yeah, i kinda left myself open bein lasy enough and stupid enough to assume ppl would understand that my stereotyping was just a demonstration of how alot of people see us.
i have full respect for car moders and there vehicles and MTbers and there vehicles.

and im not all that good on using the whole quote thing yet either :oops:

[Dreggsy]

This guy might be interested.

http://www.ibiblio.org/jmaynard/TRONcostume/

[jamo]

WOMBAT, read thr thread posts again. there seem to be quite a few other people that you can attack aswell as myself. seeing your so blind and ignorant.


So you're saying that "us guys" (I'm presuming you're referring to the guys who were telling milne his idea probably wasn't worth pursuing) put up posts of no relevance 100% of the time (that's what "always" means you know)?

So admins like Ty and Ryan, and mods like Rik have never posted anything constructive? And obviously know nothing of street riding because they're never done anything of the sort? Well geez, I don't know what forums I've been reading, because it obviously hasn't been Farkin!

Jamo I'm deeply sorry that I have been so confused lately, and the true contributors on Farkin are people like you, who are far to superior to use complete words and coherent sentences.
How about we go one better, and ban all the mods and admin, because you've enlightened us to the fact that they never post anything constructive. I'm sure that that would be the best way to improve the quality of the forums here. Why didn't anybody else think of this???

i think you are putting words into my mouth now. when did i ever say this? maybe you should do your research adn use Quotes! and sorry ai aint up to your level of harvard style english! really i am!

shouldn't we be startinga new thread topic? this now has no relevance to nean biek. (Oh woops i mispelt a word, does taht bother yuo? or is it totally unreadable?)

i think it would be best if we both just dropped the argument right here right now, and just stopped wasting eacth others time. that would be a good compromise? unless you still have something else to say?

your thoughts....?

[Rik]

your thoughts....?
My thoughts are you should've taken that last post to PM, since it was only addressing one person, and, like you said, has no relevance to the thread. Let's stop that discussion now, and continue on about this fantabulous idea of milne's.

[pickles]

i recon round neons inside your spokes would b pretty mad it would looke like yopur wheels r on fire 8)

[wombat]

i recon round neons inside your spokes would b pretty mad it would looke like yopur wheels r on fire 8)

http://www.hokeyspokes.com/

Not inside the spokes, but similar idea.

[milne]

Sorry i haven't been here i was on camp but thanks to everyone that is supporting me

[TOSS3R]

Basic Concept
http://www.farkin.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=6724

whoa man..you must be doing like some sick uleh electronics cause that diagram and circuit is going off...who would have thought?! connect light to battery and switch and it goes on off!!

my suggestion would be to patent pend this idea as soon as you can cause someone will want to copy it.. :roll:

A++ for effort mate...

[milne]

i just need someone who would like to trial it and have $50
then i can advance my design and make it better

[Ralph Wiggum.]

I promised myself I would NOT respond to this post with something completely negative, so here goes...

Ok the design sucks BUT your enthusiasm for innovation is definitely a good thing. You're looking for an innovation, so why not examine current problems and attempt to design a solution. Look at all the chain tensioning devices? Millions of riders heard the slapping of their chain but it took some time before someone said "that doesnt have to happen" and designed a simple device to correct the problem and probably made a sh%tload of cash in the process.

Think big, dont just follow the old protocol and take a current design and throw a clock on it (your neon for instance, or mobile-phone cameras). But keep in mind: the bicycle has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years but it has changed MINIMALLY. By minimally I mean although your Foes/Santa Cruz/Specialized may the latest technology, its still got a damn lot in common with your grandpa's first bike as they both use pedals connected to cranks to drive the rear wheel via a chain, and they both use pneumatic tires and a top-tube, down-tube and rear triangle.

What I'm saying is: a) think big, but b) dont expect miracles as the bicycle consists of relatively few components when compared to a car or plane and thus, its harder to make breakthroughs.

Also consider your target demographic, ie. what group is the product aimed at? Hardcore DJers and freeriders are not going to strap a neon onto their bikes, so theres no use pitching the idea at them.

[Tomas]

http://www.farkin.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=6928

[dumb 01]

just need someone who would like to trial it and have $50
then i can advance my design and make it better

i will give you $50

after i buy a shitty Northern Star so that target can improve their bike design and make it better.

ffs.gtfu.

[jasco]

I promised myself I would NOT respond to this post with something completely negative, so here goes...

Ok the design sucks BUT your enthusiasm for innovation is definitely a good thing. You're looking for an innovation, so why not examine current problems and attempt to design a solution. Look at all the chain tensioning devices? Millions of riders heard the slapping of their chain but it took some time before someone said "that doesnt have to happen" and designed a simple device to correct the problem and probably made a sh%tload of cash in the process.

Think big, dont just follow the old protocol and take a current design and throw a clock on it (your neon for instance, or mobile-phone cameras). But keep in mind: the bicycle has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years but it has changed MINIMALLY. By minimally I mean although your Foes/Santa Cruz/Specialized may the latest technology, its still got a damn lot in common with your grandpa's first bike as they both use pedals connected to cranks to drive the rear wheel via a chain, and they both use pneumatic tires and a top-tube, down-tube and rear triangle.

What I'm saying is: a) think big, but b) dont expect miracles as the bicycle consists of relatively few components when compared to a car or plane and thus, its harder to make breakthroughs.

Also consider your target demographic, ie. what group is the product aimed at? Hardcore DJers and freeriders are not going to strap a neon onto their bikes, so theres no use pitching the idea at them.

I commend you Ralph Wiggum, this has got to be the most intellegent things that anyone has posted in this thread. (and maybe this forum altogether) And it's only your 10th post!! Well done!

There is no need to re-invent the wheel (like Nokia tried to re-invent keypad layout) But as he said, find a problem that needs solving. With as much determination as you've shown (most people after 80+ posts genereally bagging them would have gone and found another login) then I'm sure you can find something that can be done better and actually do it better. Rember they thought that da Vinci was lunatic in his time, and he invented the helicopter 300years before anyone else could actually build it!

Chin up, and keep on fighting the good fight milne.

[Mugger]

Milne, i'd trial it if you can figure out a design that will hide the power box.

[milne]

maybe tuck it up under you're seat or something like that

[Ty]

um, i might of missed it if it has been linked already but here pretty much what you wanna do.


http://www.fossilfool.com/



and it's still dumb as shit.

[riderigid]

i would have to say that i agree with Ralph Wiggum on the target market thing although i do think that your idea DOES have it's place in the world of bikes. if you end up making the neons i think the best place for you to sell it would be on bikehotrod.com.
to all those people who just jumped on the "lets all bag out milne" bandwagon THINK. he is not neccesarily trying to get you to actully buy the thing, he is just putting the idea out. by feedback i am guessing that he wanted IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER.
finally i would like to say that the site where the guy makes a tron outfit is farkin funny and would recomend it to everyone who needs to pay somebody out

[luckyphil]

um, i might of missed it if it has been linked already but here pretty much what you wanna do.


http://www.fossilfool.com/



and it's still dumb as shit.

that site sells them for US$150, surely u could make them chepaer than that.
o, and your the dumb shit for bagging out somebody else who's trying to get a headstart doin something that they like.
dont put someone else down just cause u dont like it, your just pissed off cause u've got no ambition.
edit: no offence, u bein a site admin n all, :wink:

[kizza414]

maby dont use glass neon ive heard of this stuff called flexiglow and its just like a neon light exept it wouldnt smash and you can shape it alot of pepole use them on remote control cars for under glow http://www.flexiglow.com.au/products/CableKits.htmhttp://www.flexiglow.com.au/products/CableKits.htm

[Alec McJo]

Grraaaavveee diggaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my harrtyyyyyyyyy's. Aaarrrrrr me the pirate says we should dig some more graves for me killings, Aarrrrrr.

[fattyandthepiemakers]

http://members.memlane.com/gromboug/shovel.gif

FFS this thread is old... It has a post from Ty! It's friggin old.

[Grip]

Wow... that's one hell of a dig ;) . Kizza, you may wish to check the dates on threads before you bother posting in them... this one is years old.... and well dead... and best left alone.

Cheers