My fully sick completely stock STP... I am Legend/Out for Blood

[S.]

http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=118982&stc=1&d=1224593739

Oh yeah. More to come :)

Update: It's more or less built.
http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/4d2d2dd70a.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/4d2d2dd70a.jpg)

http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/94179842dc.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/94179842dc.jpg)

http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/31c6d6657b.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/31c6d6657b.jpg)

http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/bbb64f5217.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/bbb64f5217.jpg)

http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/a0204969e7.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/a0204969e7.jpg)

http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/7f24c8ddd2.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/7f24c8ddd2.jpg)

http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/b708fb7825.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/b708fb7825.jpg)

http://www.farkin.net/images/user/MTN/683ebf8248.jpg (http://www.farkin.net/showimage/683ebf8248.jpg)

[sockman]

I nearly didn't click on the link... Thit's viry misleading.

Subscribed.

[S.]

haha, that was kind of the idea...

[redmakesugofaster]

Omg get sum pikaturs of teh valve caps your going to put on it. Dam kids and there stupid waste of space threads.

[GeoffRidesBikes]

Nice STP, you should get Pikes instead of that forks though.

Subscribed.

[tupper]

Please don't tease us any longer S..!

[Purt]

Edit: Don't worry

[Axela8]

You spelled 'phully sik' wrong and forgot 'bro' in the title.
Banshee, huh? The new IronHorse, in the trend stakes.

[Sits back, waits for the abuse to start :D]

[op_shop]

This will definitely make you slower....

Red certainly isnt faster ;)

xx

[kizza414]

:eek: I WANT!!!!!

put more pics up...

[Karnige182]

I'm going to have sex with your bike steve....
Gunna look the goods when its done! Bet is a relief to have it finally here! Will be sweet to see it in the flesh! Can't wait to see some pics when its all built up man!

[udi]

ah, the huckday :)

[Gruntled]

Banshee, huh? The new IronHorse, in the trend stakes.


And IronHorse was the new Intense. Seriously, Banshee are doing a really good job, and I imagine they're going to gain in popularity even more. Everyone comments positively on my Scythe, and other models like the Wildcard and Rune are highly reputed.

Need build pics S.. And ride pics and reports. What does the frame weigh, with what shock? C'mon, whats the hold up.....
C'mon....
C'mooooonnnnnn.....

[Ozza]

what a let down.

[LTR]

Will it come stock with a Husqvarna chainsaw guard, or will I have to buy it as an optional extra?

[jazza_wil]

you got an stp to? i got one that kinda looks like that, thinking ss, dj3s, rinolites, and maybe some sick pink grips to go with my new black girl jeans

[op_shop]

you got an stp to? i got one that kinda looks like that, thinking ss, dj3s, rinolites, and maybe some sick pink grips to go with my new black girl jeans

You in black skinnies i would love to see!

Patto xx

[a.davis12]

Omg get sum pikaturs of teh valve caps your going to put on it. Dam kids and there stupid waste of space threads.

:o

on his behalf

[DirtRida_94]

can u post some pictures of the bike from further away so i can have a better look
thanks

[Smacks]

how did u get dat dekal 4 ur stp

[S.]

Complete frame:
http://forums.farkin.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=119041&stc=1&d=1224664590

Will be weighing frame tomorrow, then building it. Got shock hardware for it today, will be running a DHX5 for a few weeks till the Cane Creek arrives.

Claimed weight for a medium is 8.61lbs without shock, which puts it roughly equivalent to (or slightly lighter than) a Sunday. Not a heavy frame at all, in fact if that claimed weight is true, it's actually lighter than the rear end ALONE of my old SGS!

There are some great touches on this thing; for starters the paintjob is awesome. The amount of CNC milling on this is pretty nuts, though it's a tad rough around the edges (literally) in places cos it's a preproduction frame. The welding is all pretty sweet, clean and consistent, and the axles for the linkage are all enormous (20mm diameter for all of them). Short, super stiff links plus triangulated swingarm plus huge diameter bushings for the whole lot should make the rear end stiffer than pretty well anything out there.

Build kit will be pretty much my ideal mix of light and strong, affordable and expensive, practical and wanky... those of you who know me will know what to expect, those who don't will find out tomorrow :)

Oh yeah, and it's a size large... wouldn't pick it from looking at it, BB centre to top of seat tube is only 17".

Huge thanks to Ken @ XXIV. Helpful well above and beyond what you could ever expect.

[knoxy]

how did you get one of these, surely they are not available until 2010.
Are you sponsored, or do you know the right people (or have i made a mix up:confused:)

[sawtell]

Omg get sum pikaturs of teh valve caps your going to put on it. Dam kids and there stupid waste of space threads.




hahahahahhaa BAN HIMMMMMMMMMMM

[NEEDCASH!]

YUM YUM!

that paint job is GREAT!

What colour scheme will you be going at?

Woo 100th post!

[Leeroy26]

Hot looking frame!! I don't normally click on any title with those three letters in it.....but I'm glad I did this time!!

Can't wait to see the build!!

[S.]

how did you get one of these, surely they are not available until 2010.
Are you sponsored, or do you know the right people (or have i made a mix up:confused:)

There are 50 or so riders around the world on what is basically a test program - we get the bikes cheap and test them for a year or so, and give our feedback to the factory in return. Basically we are guinea pigs for a small run of frames to check that everything is ok, which allows Banshee to make any refinements they need to for the production models. Yes I am on the program, no it's not a sponsorship as such - I still pay for the frame and whatnot.

Colour scheme... you will see shortly :)

[pinned--->]

But I wanted to see an stp. :( Sexysexysexysexysexysexysexy.



What would the leverage be like? Could you get away with an air shock.

[Plow King]

There are 50 or so riders around the world on what is basically a test program - we get the bikes cheap and test them for a year or so, and give our feedback to the factory in return. Basically we are guinea pigs for a small run of frames to check that everything is ok, which allows Banshee to make any refinements they need to for the production models. Yes I am on the program, no it's not a sponsorship as such - I still pay for the frame and whatnot.

Colour scheme... you will see shortly :)

After hearing your rim destruction storys. I'm sure this will be a true test of the frames integrity.

Good luck with the build mate.

[S.]

But I wanted to see an stp. :( Sexysexysexysexysexysexysexy.



What would the leverage be like? Could you get away with an air shock.

Probably - leverage rate is about 2.8:1 on average. I have no real interest in air shocks other than for the potential for infinite adjustment of the spring rate though.

After hearing your rim destruction storys. I'm sure this will be a true test of the frames integrity.

Good luck with the build mate.

haha cheers... never broken a DH frame though, don't think I'm really THAT hard on them. Just gotta stop catching rocks with the wheels!

[Lorday]

Are you all stupid? Thats not an STP Insert annoying smart arse smile here

Sick bike none the less. Planned a spec list?

[kalem]

, it's actually lighter than the rear end ALONE of my old SGS!



oh damn you... i bet you can't wipe the smile of your face, just building it up is gonna be a ball, let alone the ride!

[colourclassic]

I'm waiting for build pictures.

[nick_dales]

Are you all stupid? Thats not an STP Insert annoying smart arse smile here

Sick bike none the less. Planned a spec list?
To the average eye it may not look like an STP but look closer I assure you it's an STP

[S.]

Updated... build pics in the first post. Yes I'm aware it hasn't been fully finished, still needs the final touches like hoses cutting down, shock spring in, and so forth... but regardless, without too much bias, this is the hottest bike I've seen for a long time. Stoked :D

[op_shop]

You may be stoked, i am certainly jealous....

Now Davies is defs in trouble...!

[Plow King]

Updated... build pics in the first post. Yes I'm aware it hasn't been fully finished, still needs the final touches like hoses cutting down, shock spring in, and so forth... but regardless, without too much bias, this is the hottest bike I've seen for a long time. Stoked :D

Nice. Looks like a great build. Got a weight on it? Or are you going to wait until it's completly finished?

[spinner]

Beautiful build.

Send that old horse to the glue factory !(sgs)

[Tristan23]

You am legend.

[Dirt king]

That is such a nice bike. These new frames by Banshee I don't think could disappoint anyone, they are so beautiful and this build is just amazing.

Such an awesome bike enjoy it and if you don't like it you can always give it to me. ;)

[alpinestar12]

Nice build, you use 823's? mmm new saint parts.

[S.]

Nice build, you use 823's? mmm new saint parts.

Yeah 823s on Pro IIs, running them tubeless with Stans sealant.

Full spec list:
Frame: Banshee Legend #15, size large
Fork: TPC+ Boxxer
Rear shock: DHX5 (cheers Toodles for lending it to me) until the Cane Creek Double Barrel arrives
Rims: Mavic 823s
Hubs: Hope Pro IIs
Crankset: Shimano Saint M805 (old Saint)
Pedals: Straitlines
Chainguide: Gamut P40
Chainring: E13 37t
Headset: FSA Orbit R 1.5 zero stack
Stem: Sunline V1
Bars: FSA Gravity Lights cut to 750mm - these things are tanks weight wise but they feel really nice, so not getting rid of them
Brakes: Shimano Saint 4-pots on Hayes V8 rotors
Saddle: SDG I-Fly
Seatpost: SDG I-beam Micro
Derailleur: Shimano Saint with super short cage
Chain: XT/Ultegra
Cassette: XT 11-32, gonna give this the arse in favour of a customised setup. I like it for its weight and sexiness but the functionality isn't there for me.
Tyres: Minion DHFs 2.5 in SRY front and rear, non-UST, running Stans sealant

Also I owe thanks to a number of people for this:
- Jay and Keith at Banshee for putting me on the test program
- Keith at Banshee in particular for spending literally hours of his time discussing tech stuff with me and chasing stuff up
- Ken at XXIV (http://www.xxiv.com.au) for his hard work, persistence, excellent communication, patience and generally making every effort to do the right thing by me. It's worth noting that he did all this without making a CENT out of it because these frames were sold to us at "production cost" - 10 out of 10 for customer service.
- Jon @ GripSport (http://www.gripsport.com.au) for making the shock reducers for me
- Toodles for lending me a shock
- Squid for lending me a spring (if/when it gets here! :p)

Oh and for those who are interested:
Frame weight, no axle, no shock or hardware, size large with seatpost collar: 8.90lbs (4045g)
Don't have a complete bike weight yet but will post one up when I do. Expecting about 40lbs.

['Alex]

http://www.farkin.net/showimage/7f24c8ddd2.jpgSomething tells me those Boxxers are far from stock :eek:

EDIT: Beaten too it ^^

[AngoXC]

Something tells me those Boxxers are far from stock

The zip tie on the RHS bumper is a give away ;)
Not bad S

[S.]

Something tells me those Boxxers are far from stock :eek:

EDIT: Beaten too it ^^

Yerp, full TPC+ shimmed damper. That means a LSC adjuster that's more than just "nothing, nothing, nothing, little bit, tons, too much take it back", as well as rebound that you can slow down a bit without causing excessive packing.

The zip tie on the RHS bumper is a give away ;)
Not bad Steve.

haha the ziptie is simply cos the bumpers perish and split after a while. My Boxxers are very much bitsa forks, 06 crowns, one 04 stanchion one 05 stanchion, 07 lowers, Manitou internals etc. Nothing like having a properly set-up, custom tuned fork tuned by you for you when it comes to delivering what you want.

There will be a writeup in a while, but the first priority is getting the thing on a real DH track, second priority is getting good feedback back to Banshee :)

[kalem]

Wow... stunning! No stopping you now!

Congratulations Steve.

[Axela8]

That means a LSC adjuster that's more than just "nothing, nothing, nothing, little bit, tons, too much take it back"

RS should that laser etch that into all their compression adjusters!

[lobstar]

fark me dead, that is so damm sexy!
i wnat. got a weight?

[Gruntled]

Very, very nice. You should post pics up on the new MTBR Banshee and DH Forum as well, for Keith and Jay. They would appreciate that for sure.

[IluvmyBike]

Should I assume that the MKI means that is the first prototype? They didn't even have one finished at interbike which was a month ago did they?? Well, that looks sweet. Is it a dw-link esque in the rear there?
Love it. I am going to try to figure out how to upload pic's here so I can share... but I am a techno-moron :(

[Lorday]

Ok S. that thing looks awsome, and that spec is awsome. Steve YOU are awsome. (Nice "acceptance" style speech to)

[S.]

fark me dead, that is so damm sexy!
i wnat. got a weight?

Sure do - 41.68lbs or 18.90kg without the seatpost or steerer cut down, with a steel spring on the rear. Not super light but pretty reasonable given that some of the parts (cranks, brakes, bars, pedals) are on the weighty side. Plenty of room to knock off weight, not that I particularly care.

Very, very nice. You should post pics up on the new MTBR Banshee and DH Forum as well, for Keith and Jay. They would appreciate that for sure.

Will probably do that at some stage, cheers for the suggestion.

Should I assume that the MKI means that is the first prototype? They didn't even have one finished at interbike which was a month ago did they?? Well, that looks sweet. Is it a dw-link esque in the rear there?
Love it. I am going to try to figure out how to upload pic's here so I can share... but I am a techno-moron :(

The two very first protos were built about March I think, two super quick South American guys have been running them since then. Two more were produced a couple of months ago I believe, one went to Keith and one to Mick Hannah, these are the first "production" run, I suppose more of a pre-production run just to sort out all the first year bugs before they hit the market. It's a pretty good idea IMO.

Visually similar to DW-link, but the performance characteristics are quite different.

Ok S. that thing looks awsome, and that spec is awsome. Steve YOU are awsome. (Nice "acceptance" style speech to)

I am fairly awesome now that you mention it :). Pretty stoked on the bike, just waiting on the correct spring and gotta make some small finishing touches and it'll be good to go.

[brettyG]

Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god that is hawt, Banshee have really stepped it up with the current batch of frames out, props guys. Awesome thread too S., beautiful stuff! :)

[MrPlow]

Mow your fucking lawn you bloody bogan.

[ajay]

f^*kn poser:p

[jazza_wil]

Yeah 823s on Pro IIs, running them tubeless with Stans sealant.

Full spec list:
Frame: Banshee Legend #15, size large
Fork: TPC+ Boxxer
Rear shock: DHX5 (cheers Toodles for lending it to me) until the Cane Creek Double Barrel arrives
Rims: Mavic 823s
Hubs: Hope Pro IIs
Crankset: Shimano Saint M805 (old Saint)
Pedals: Straitlines
Chainguide: Gamut P40
Chainring: E13 37t
Headset: FSA Orbit R 1.5 zero stack
Stem: Sunline V1
Bars: FSA Gravity Lights cut to 750mm - these things are tanks weight wise but they feel really nice, so not getting rid of them
Brakes: Shimano Saint 4-pots on Hayes V8 rotors
Saddle: SDG I-Fly
Seatpost: SDG I-beam Micro
Derailleur: Shimano Saint with super short cage
Chain: XT/Ultegra
Cassette: XT 11-32, gonna give this the arse in favour of a customised setup. I like it for its weight and sexiness but the functionality isn't there for me.
Tyres: Minion DHFs 2.5 in SRY front and rear, non-UST, running Stans sealant

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thats a prity good weight seems you didnt have ultra lightweight on the cards. got a silmilar build so hoping ill be in that ballpark weight to. cane creek ti should drop it a little to, or just have a shit before you ride next and drop a few grams there

[S.]

Mow your fucking lawn you bloody bogan.

Never! Lawn porn is a long standing PYR tradition :)

[contagion]

Probably answered, but i'm feeling too lazy to read. How are the saint 4-pots?

Very nice looking bike I think.

[S.]

Probably answered, but i'm feeling too lazy to read. How are the saint 4-pots?

Very nice looking bike I think.

So far: sick. They're not fully bedded in yet (compared to some sets I've ridden which are just retardedly powerful), nor have I given them enough of a thrashing to be able to comment on how they cope with heat, but the pad size is about 20-25% larger than my old LXs so it should be fine in that respect. The outright power is better than any other brake I've ridden (Gatorbrake 6 pot a possible exception), the lever feel is excellent (much firmer than the servo-wave XTs that came out this/last year, more like the older Shimano brakes) and they have tool-free reach adjust as well as throw adjust a la Avids.

I don't like the miles-out lever pivot very much (compared to older Shimano levers, or Avids which are really close to the bar) but I'll live with it because I like pretty well everything else about them. Weight is within 10 grams of Codes (I think slightly heavier if anything). Oh yeah, like all Shimanos, the levers don't have split-perch clamps which means you have to take the grips off to take the levers off. Small detail but I do prefer the split perch that Avid/Hayes/Hopes have simply for convenience.

I'll let you know more once they're bedded in fully and I've gotten em red hot a few times :)

[Ivan]

Nice lawn....is that cooch? Drool! me wanty that bikey

[contagion]

Sounds good mate. I'm gunna try and get some oldschool XT4-pots going on my bike when I sort out forks and adapters and such, but if something doesn't go right I'm forking out for a set of these.

Quick question that you may or may not be able to answer, would these calipers run on old style levers? Cos the 4-pot levers are new 07 XT levers with straitline..... So if possible I'd like to keep them....

[S.]

I'm sure it *could* be done if you really wanted to, but a large part of the extra power of the new brakes comes from the new style levers (higher leverage). The Saints also run stiffer brake hoses than other Shimano brakes, though these are probably compatible with their old calipers/levers anyway if previous experience is anything to go by.

[contagion]

I'm sure it *could* be done if you really wanted to, but a large part of the extra power of the new brakes comes from the new style levers (higher leverage). The Saints also run stiffer brake hoses than other Shimano brakes, though these are probably compatible with their old calipers/levers anyway if previous experience is anything to go by.

Yeah I had an idea that new lever design might come into it. Hopefully I'll be able to just get my XT 4-pots going.

[maxwolfie]

That's not an STP :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Dirt Devil]

Great build. I'm interested in hearing how this rides, especially with the Cane Creek Double Barrel.

[SMIIISH]

Oh Lordy! Justin Fox look out! Seriously though, stunning. I love the CNC'd areas on the frame. Makes it look bad-ass. As stated throughout the forums, red makes you go faster! It looks tight. Nothing too mainstream either. It looks deceptively mean. (sp?) Can't wait for the action piccys!

[Nerf Herder]

That Shock cradle thingy looks beefy ... which I like and don't like at the same time (namely the square-ish top part welded to the down tube ? ... isn't to my liking) ... presume thats just a pre-production quality thingy ?? or my eyes

Also is the red at the front of the frame washed out or is it just poor colouring of the image ? just being picky :o

be interested in your write up though

[S.]

That Shock cradle thingy looks beefy ... which I like and don't like at the same time (namely the square-ish top part welded to the down tube ? ... isn't to my liking) ... presume thats just a pre-production quality thingy ?? or my eyes

Also is the red at the front of the frame washed out or is it just poor colouring of the image ? just being picky :o

be interested in your write up though

Yeah the shock canoe thing is a bit messy where it joins the downtube, it's exaggerated on this one cos it's a size large (DT sits a bit lower on the canoe), the mediums and smalls don't stand out so much. As far as I know they're working on that to clean it up a bit for production, cos yeah I agree it looks a bit ugly.

The red on the front of the frame is super bright, it's not washed out (looks it in the pics cos it's so shiny though) but it's a fair bit lighter than the congealed-blood-red of the anodised linkages, so it doesn't quite match up. Again something I think they'll fix up for production.

When I actually get some friggin TIME I'll get some real hours on it and let you guys know how it goes. First impressions are promising though :)

[down hill ownz]

awesome! enough said.

[luke.b]

So with that one, you'll be podium at Barjarg Steve? Good to see man, that thing will rip.


+1 postcount.

[S.]

So with that one, you'll be podium at Barjarg Steve? Good to see man, that thing will rip.


+1 postcount.

Not a chance man! In Expert maybe I could have... but not this season.

[Lorday]

Oh Lordy! Justin Fox look out! Seriously though, stunning. I love the CNC'd areas on the frame. Makes it look bad-ass. As stated throughout the forums, red makes you go faster! It looks tight. Nothing too mainstream either. It looks deceptively mean. (sp?) Can't wait for the action piccys!


Its Lorday I belive.

Twichin' uncontrollably in excitement for the action pictures.

[S.]

Its Lorday I belive.

Twichin' uncontrollably in excitement for the action pictures.


Don't hold your breath - when I go riding I just go riding, I don't usually take a camera crew :)

[Tristan23]

Don't hold your breath - when I go riding I just go riding, I don't usually take a camera crew :)

Do you mean the camera crew doesn't usually take you?

[S.]

Do you mean the camera crew doesn't usually take you?

Well yes... dunno if it's the smell, the lack of photogeneity or the sarcasm but they don't like me much :)

[Lorday]

Don't hold your breath - when I go riding I just go riding, I don't usually take a camera crew :)

Meh...I understand, riding is better when you don't have stop and start waiting for the "camera bitch" to get the right spots and (a) good shot(s)

[knoxy]

Do you have any idea about how much they will cost when they finaly come out

[patto_15]

Well yes... dunno if it's the smell, the lack of photogeneity or the sarcasm but they don't like me much :)

I still like you Steve =D But..... you do still smell..

[S.]

Ok, ride report after a few weeks on it.

First of all, this bike is long. No surprises there, it's a size large. The BB height I measured at about 14.37" with Boxxers sitting at 220mm of exposed stanchion (which I believe corresponds to 580mm A-C height), and the wheelbase is 47.1" (1197mm). The wheelbase is bang on the claimed length, though the BB is 0.37" higher than claimed, which by my calcs should drop to 14.20 if the fork is dropped to minimum height. The head angle is supposed to be 64 degrees, but the fact that the wheelbase is correct with a fork that's longer than the nominal values are measured with would indicate to me that the actual angle is steeper than claimed, and the way it feels I'd tend to agree that it's probably more like 66.

Anyway, on the track it feels pretty good, I felt comfortable on it pretty well straight away. It jumps nicely and seems to have good tracking and traction. The rear end is better than most things I've ridden when it comes to smashing and bashing (which if you've seen me ride, is pretty much all I do), it doesn't hang up easily (with either a DHX or a BOS). No funny business under brakes, it's pretty stable and whatnot, no ridiculous harshness or anything like that. However, while it's fairly planted and solid, I think it could benefit from a slacker head angle (if it was the advertised 64 degrees it should be sweet) and the BB, whilst reasonably low, can safely go a bit lower, I haven't clipped a pedal once (except with pedals level in which case it's more or less unrelated to BB height anyway) in 3 weeks of riding. It turns in to corners well, but I feel a slacker head angle would let me get over the front more and really hammer the turns harder. Also a slacker head angle would help a bit on the faster rough stuff - it's not bad now, probably on par with a Glory or similar, but slacker would be better for sure.

The fairly rearwards initial axle path also means that while its bump absorption is pretty good, it has more anti-squat than necessary (with a 37t ring anyway), and as a result with the 37t ring it extends the suspension slightly when you pedal. I can't feel any significant pedal kickback from pedaling it up kerbs or over other stuff, but if you lift the rear end of the bike and drop it the cranks spin backwards quite a bit, so there's obviously a fair amount of chain extension. Maybe I'm just not sensitive to that kind of stuff, or maybe that amount of chain extension isn't quite enough to be problematic anyway. Either way, the bike is designed around a 38-40t ring, which would reduce the amount of extension of the rear end you get (maybe to zero) under pedalling loads. It's something which I can notice on flat smooth surfaces (and particularly pedalling uphill) but haven't actually specifically noticed when pedaling on the trail. In either case, the amount of movement is fairly low and to me it feels like it gets off the mark pretty quick (possibly also cos the bike and particularly the wheels are a lot lighter than my old stuff). It's not perfect but it's better than most when it comes to pedaling.

As you'd imagine, the rear end is pretty stiff laterally, thanks to huge pivot axles and bushing setup. My frame was one of the first off the line and it has some fairly minor tolerancing issues with the pivots, which mean it has about 0.2mm (yes I measured) side to side play in the front lower pivot. It's a pre-production frame and Banshee are sorting this out for me at the moment so I feel kind of bad for mentioning it but if I didn't no doubt some Avalanche-loving nazi would accuse me of bias. At the very least, the pivot system is awesome, super easy to work with, and once the tolerances are sorted it'll be sweet.

More details once I've had a bit more time on it. One thing I am considering doing however, is shortening the shock to a 9.25x2.75 by means of an internal spacer, or using a shorter shaft or whatever, in order to drop the BB and slacken the head angle. At some stage I'll find an angle finder to tell me exactly what the head angle is too, just for reference's sake.

Oh yeah and I just mounted the CCDB. So far all I've worked out is that the tool CC give you to adjust it is cool, but the mounting hardware is a f**king pain to install, especially without the little plastic pin they say they give you that I didn't get. Will post up how it goes once I get it set up and stuff.

Do you have any idea about how much they will cost when they finaly come out

I have no idea unfortunately. The massive changes in the Aussie dollar make it impossible to work out prices for anything that isn't about to be bought *right now*.

[spinner]

Just out of interest , how are the 823s holding up ?

[S.]

Just out of interest , how are the 823s holding up ?

Somehow they survived Barjarg with not a ding in them! I had tyre pressures up about 30psi there though. Don't know how much to trust tubeless however, it's not hard to burp at least a tiny bit even at those pressures.

[L.P.]

Somehow they survived Barjarg with not a ding in them! I had tyre pressures up about 30psi there though. Don't know how much to trust tubeless however, it's not hard to burp at least a tiny bit even at those pressures.

have you actually burped this setup?

I run 823's with between 22 and 34 psi.... and have no problems. the tyre jams into the bead very tight.

[Ivan]

so I feel kind of bad for mentioning it but if I didn't no doubt some Avalanche-loving nazi would accuse me of bias.

Yeah Steve. Bet there wouldn't be any linkage movement with an Avalanche fitted! :p

Some of those RM threads crack me up:D

Thanks for all the recent reviews. It's helping my addiction while "Dirt" isn't up to it's usual standard.

[S.]

have you actually burped this setup?

I run 823's with between 22 and 34 psi.... and have no problems. the tyre jams into the bead very tight.

What tyres, are they the UST ones or not? I'm just using Stans sealant and you can see it's leaking a fair bit of it out after each run. Burped it with about 22psi or so in it (on the front tyre too) to the point where it was nearly flat and had to be pumped up before it was rideable again.

Yeah Steve. Bet there wouldn't be any linkage movement with an Avalanche fitted! :p

Some of those RM threads crack me up:D

Thanks for all the recent reviews. It's helping my addiction while "Dirt" isn't up to it's usual standard.

haha cheers. Yeah I can't believe how ridiculously tenacious some of those guys are about something so utterly irrelevant.

[my_bike]

Man your bike is AWEZOME with a Z of course.
So how are the straitlines as I have them and i'm doing it dangerously by riding the meat mincers without shin-pads.

ps: Where do you live as I wan't to borrow it and never come back.