View Full Version : iPod vs Creative Labs ???..help
Ok, I want to buy an mp3 player and I know iPod has the market share but I have read good things about the Creative Labs "Zen Xtra". It has more gigs for cheaper, better sound, but larger than the iPod. I have never seen or used either.
Has anyone compared the two??
Please don't just post.." iPods rule !" etc.... thanks.
15gb Ipod or 30gb Zen Xtra for $449RRP. I like the sound of getting double the amount of space!
big_pete
12-06-2004, 07:52 PM
Ive heard ipods die after like two years and you cant fix it, its somethng to do with the battery..
tu plang
12-06-2004, 07:53 PM
... but they do :oops:
have u got 40gb of music? no u say? then why would u go for something just because it has more space that you'll never use and sacrifice physical size. ipods are nice... especially if u over look the battery issue
.... awaits naz's iriver rant
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15gb Ipod or 30gb Zen Xtra for $449RRP. I like the sound of getting double the amount of space!
hrmmm in that case, that isnt so bad
iRivers are $300 more though. :? They have a USB plug so you can store digital camera shit and shit on it! Im loving that feature! 8)
can you store digi pics on the ipod too??
I have read many great things about the zen xtra including great battery life....... but it's not an iPod.
Do you think that many people just get the iPod because it is an "iPod" and are too affraid to try some other brand?
tu plang
12-06-2004, 08:36 PM
i doubt it, id say that most pc users would be afraid to try it because its apple, not so much now though as they are hugely popular. but seriously, i find (being a mac user) that people who seem to think macs are shit are people who dont have a clue about computers period. like u talk to some1 who is a pc person and thats never gonna change, but they acknowledge that macs are decent too.
i doubt it, id say that most pc users would be afraid to try it because its apple, not so much now though as they are hugely popular. but seriously, i find (being a mac user) that people who seem to think macs are shit are people who dont have a clue about computers period. like u talk to some1 who is a pc person and thats never gonna change, but they acknowledge that macs are decent too.
I dont really think its the Mac vs PC argument. Just the MP3 players!
olsson
13-06-2004, 12:36 AM
I have an ipod myself.
Yes the battery does die after 16 months.
Yes you can store digital images, and files onto an ipod,
yes the ipod is USB compatible aswell.
i doubt it, id say that most pc users would be afraid to try it because its apple, not so much now though as they are hugely popular. but seriously, i find (being a mac user) that people who seem to think macs are shit are people who dont have a clue about computers period. like u talk to some1 who is a pc person and thats never gonna change, but they acknowledge that macs are decent too.
Sorry to say, but I do TAFE, Digital Arts, and I use apple macs, and the farkin thing keeps shutting down on me, and yes they are the most recent apples out. The teacher keeps having to "re-build" it as he says.
tu plang
13-06-2004, 07:14 AM
I have an ipod myself.
Yes the battery does die after 16 months.
Yes you can store digital images, and files onto an ipod,
yes the ipod is USB compatible aswell.
i doubt it, id say that most pc users would be afraid to try it because its apple, not so much now though as they are hugely popular. but seriously, i find (being a mac user) that people who seem to think macs are shit are people who dont have a clue about computers period. like u talk to some1 who is a pc person and thats never gonna change, but they acknowledge that macs are decent too.
Sorry to say, but I do TAFE, Digital Arts, and I use apple macs, and the farkin thing keeps shutting down on me, and yes they are the most recent apples out. The teacher keeps having to "re-build" it as he says.
im sorry to hear that...
but obviously some1 around your tafe doesnt know how to keep a cluster of macs running.
you say latest, are they G5s? or even G4 towers?
crashing is a rarety with OS X and shutting down well... id say thats a user error (not yours) somewhere along the line.
olsson
13-06-2004, 10:10 AM
Well concidering the fact that the tafe has over 50 macs to run, I think it would be highly doubtful that they dont know how to run Macs.
They are G5 macs as the tafe is only new, been opened the since mid last year. :roll:
kalem
13-06-2004, 10:32 AM
i have an ipod and i like it a lot. battery can be fixed if it dies on ya.
Im a member of the i-river club, i'll never look back ;)
johnny
13-06-2004, 11:12 AM
My ipod is SHITE!!! The batery life is crap straight off the shelf, the wires in my head phone leads have already broken internaly and songs that play fine on the PC and when burnt on to disc lock the ipod up!
I'm so pissed that I paid for it.
size wise i really doubt you need more then 15Gb of music with you at any time
the only reason you might want more storage is if you wanna have heaps of music and store data on the HD aswell
im very happy with my 15Gb iPod
very easy to work with, easy to borwse through the files
which very important when you have 3000 to choose from sounds great
dont really know what else youd want from a mp3 player
hardtail free rider
13-06-2004, 06:36 PM
i have also gone through this problem, and these are some things that i know / have herd(and there fore un confirmed):
1: ipods are mostly just for music and dont store files/photos etc as well as others
2: ipods only work with the soft ware they come with...this can cause problems.
3: once ipod software have been loaded onto a pc, or mac then it cannot be used on any other TYPE of computer.
4: yes, ipod batteries do die after a certain amount of time (depending on the amount of times its recharged i think). it is a built in bateery and as such the whole ipod must be replaced, i do not know how much this would cost.
5: creative do have replacable batteries.
6: i believe creatice are better for the money purely because you can get the same size for considerably cheaper.
one thing that you may want to check-if you live in/ near melb-is in the green guide there is an add for standard computers who are selling a creative zen nx 30GB for $420, and a 60GB for $700 something.
feel free to correct me if i am wrong, this is just my veiw. by the way i dont own any mp3 players but i am planing on getting a creative zen nx.
i have also gone through this problem, and these are some things that i know / have herd(and there fore un confirmed):
1: ipods are mostly just for music and dont store files/photos etc as well as others
2: ipods only work with the soft ware they come with...this can cause problems.
3: once ipod software have been loaded onto a pc, or mac then it cannot be used on any other TYPE of computer.
4: yes, ipod batteries do die after a certain amount of time (depending on the amount of times its recharged i think). it is a built in bateery and as such the whole ipod must be replaced, i do not know how much this would cost.
5: creative do have replacable batteries.
6: i believe creatice are better for the money purely because you can get the same size for considerably cheaper.
i think ill clear up some of the points mentioned above
1. you can use an iPod as like a USB drive, just plug it in to the computer and it shows up as a storage device, dont really know what you need more to store other files?
2. to put music onto the iPod you do have to use the iTunes software, however new realeases available on the net for free regularly.
I havent tried this but i just d/l the new Real Media Player V10 and that
offered to manage all of my iPod files, meaning you could use that to manage your iPod songs list
3: you can load the iTunes software, to as many computers as you want, you can also sync the iPod with more then one computer, the only thing you cant do "officially" is copy music files from the iPod to the computer, however there are ways to get around this
4: officially if the batteries die you have to replace the iPod, however there are kits available on the net that sell you a battery and a detailed instruction set on how to change it, its ,much cheaper then a new iPod
tu plang
13-06-2004, 07:32 PM
Well concidering the fact that the tafe has over 50 macs to run, I think it would be highly doubtful that they dont know how to run Macs.
They are G5 macs as the tafe is only new, been opened the since mid last year. :roll:
ok, we'll give them that they know how. but it seems that they are shit at it.
ipod-over rated, over hyped, over shit, extremely shit,
apple is being sued at present over false advertising of battery life, most people dont even get 6 hours, and because there a sealed unit its almost impossible to change the battery by yourself. i thik battery life is more important that space. space is cheap and easy to mod.
ipods, only support mp3 and apples codec, complete shite, iriver has upgradeable firmware. and at present support, aac,mp3,ogg,wav, wma, etc.
and soon to have losseless support such as flac and monkey thing for true audiophiles.
well i havent read much about the nomad zens, but i had a nomad II solid state player and it was one tough mofo. lasted 2 years 128mb player. so the build quality is good.
im all with iriver nowadays.
iriver. 16hour battery life, with a battery mod you can get the life upto 28hours :). though the physical size is larger. it comes with a remote (w/ LCD) which does everything. and one thing would u rather have a remote the same size as a pack of matched except a 1/3 as thick. or have to pull a player out of your pocket everytime you want to change song. and dont go saying ipod has a remote wow u can scroll one song forward back. change volum or turn it off. with the iriver you can even sync lyrics to songs and it comes up on the remote
iriver also has a lot of recording capabilities. internal microphone, external microphone(plug in), line in, and optical in, and soon i think record FM
and with recording bitrate n codec can be changed (wav or mp3 at present) but ranges from 40kbps to 320kbps.
and the iriver, 40g is cheaper than the 40g ipod,
and ben(tu-plang) shut up. you can never have to much space. rip some cds with ogg vorbis at Q8 320kbps, and listen to that compared to 128kbps mp3 fucken noticable difference in quality. plus matched with some quality headphones (seinheiser, shure E2C's)
3: you can load the iTunes software, to as many computers as you want, you can also sync the iPod with more then one computer, the only thing you cant do "officially" is copy music files from the iPod to the computer, however there are ways to get around this
no actually, ive borrowed my sisters ipod, installed itunes on my computer, plugged in the ipod, it formatted the ipod and had to load on all the songs again. and thats just annoying that u cant copy shit back n forward with out a 3rd part prog, its much easier drag n dropping songs/folders.
iPod's die after a year coz of their battery, in the end they last for like half an hour.
iPod's die after a year coz of their battery, in the end they last for like half an hour.
lithium polymer, best batteries out atm but apple didnt choose them very well. stupid fucken fruit company :P
Wattsy
14-06-2004, 08:29 PM
ill just chuck in a bad point bout the ipod, after bout 18 months of heavy use (so bout 2 - 3 years of normal use) the irriplacable battery dies making it a useless piece of crap. just thought id ad that.
wombat
14-06-2004, 08:31 PM
ill just chuck in a bad point bout the ipod, after bout 18 months of heavy use (so bout 2 - 3 years of normal use) the irriplacable battery dies making it a useless piece of crap. just thought id ad that.
Read the thread mate.
Ahem... http://www.ipodbattery.com/slimipodinstall.htm
Easy as shit to replace the battery whats all the bitching about :?
Ahem... http://www.ipodbattery.com/slimipodinstall.htm
Easy as shit to replace the battery whats all the bitching about :?
voids the warranty, but if you get a good battery can extend the battery life almost by double
voids the warranty, but if you get a good battery can extend the battery life almost by double
By the time the battery is dead the one year warranty should be well and truly over, so who cares?
voids the warranty, but if you get a good battery can extend the battery life almost by double
By the time the battery is dead the one year warranty should be well and truly over, so who cares?
good point, im gonna mod my iriver n get 28 hour battery life
Im tempted to get a better battery and void the warranty anyway, because 8 hours isnt quite enough......
Naz, does the Iriver actually come with a USB port? so you can use it to transfer stuff from your digital camera on the fly? or is it just that it can be used as an additional drive when plugged into the PC?
Naz, does the Iriver actually come with a USB port? so you can use it to transfer stuff from your digital camera on the fly? or is it just that it can be used as an additional drive when plugged into the PC?
its comin on the Iriver H300 series which should be here in a few months
some specs
same as H140
except supposedly 50hour battery life
on the go usb 2 camera's i think its called (OTG usb)
http://nordic.iriver.se/img/pimg/H300%20Series/H320/1.jpg
20-40g
2" lcd colour
usb host (otg usb)
radio recording
USB2.0
50hour battery life
no actually, ive borrowed my sisters ipod, installed itunes on my computer, plugged in the ipod, it formatted the ipod and had to load on all the songs again. and thats just annoying that u cant copy shit back n forward with out a 3rd part prog, its much easier drag n dropping songs/folders.
thats suprising, ive got iTunes on my laptop and desktop and can plug in
it between the two no problem, i do have it set to manual management so it doesnt just automatically update the contents of the iPod with the iTunes library
to copy shit back and forth using windows just make windows show the hidden files on the iPod and there will be all the songs that you have in your playlist all be it in random folders with half the filename cut out but its still possible
im sure it would be easier if you could just drag and drop files normally but this to stop copyright :roll: and shit i guess it works cause i cant be bothered copying my playlist from the iPod
thats the good thing about iriver. no installtion required, just true plug and play, the iriver comes up as a hdd, and you can scandisk and defragment the player when u have copiuos amounts of songs to keep it running smoothly
heh well i allready know what my next upgrade will be in 2 years :)
its comin on the Iriver H300 series which should be here in a few months
some specs
same as H140
except supposedly 50hour battery life
on the go usb 2 camera's i think its called (OTG usb)
20-40g
2" lcd colour
usb host (otg usb)
radio recording
USB2.0
50hour battery life
ooooo! how much? Me want
same supposedly as the H100 series.
so estimating
$600 for the 20g
$700 for the 40g
same supposedly as the H100 series.
so estimating
$600 for the 20g
$700 for the 40g
Anybody want to buy an iPod? :P
Misplaced
16-06-2004, 05:24 PM
3: you can load the iTunes software, to as many computers as you want, you can also sync the iPod with more then one computer, the only thing you cant do "officially" is copy music files from the iPod to the computer, however there are ways to get around this
You gotta let me in on how to do this! I've got a stack of stuff on my Ipod,that I dont on the Itunes and I cant Auto Sync because I dont want to lose it.
Also, my 2c, I've got the 'Old Skool' hugmungo Ipod with Firewire only, now approaching its 3 year of life, batteries still kicking!
dylma
16-06-2004, 05:58 PM
naz a few questions as you seem to be the master on irivers, and i have an ipod, which might die soon.
1)with this camera option, do you have to buy an extra plug in line or something (cause at aplle there $200)?????????
2)can you buy irivers from a store (excluding the internet)
3)do u have to download an iriver version of itunes, or can you transfer on straight away
4)does it come with games (not a very important question)
thanks
dylma
16-06-2004, 06:00 PM
oh yeh, the questions arent specifically aimed at naz, so anyone can answer if they know the answers. thanks
naz a few questions as you seem to be the master on irivers, and i have an ipod, which might die soon.
1)with this camera option, do you have to buy an extra plug in line or something (cause at aplle there $200)?????????
2)can you buy irivers from a store (excluding the internet)
3)do u have to download an iriver version of itunes, or can you transfer on straight away
4)does it come with games (not a very important question)
thanks
1) as far as i can gather it would plug in ur usb port and probably come with a supplied cable.
2) irivers can be bought at stores but add another 100$ theres a shop on king st in the CBD, camera's on george or something, and i think thers a few others
3) no software required to transfer songs, just plug and play, the iriver will come up as another hdd on your computer i.e (f:/) and you simply copy songs or folders of songs.
there is supplied software but thats the database feature which is like the ipod gui, artists,title genre etc. but u have to make sure each song is properly tagged (ID3v1 or ID3v2) also theres 3rd party apps, that can DB ogg wma asf, (which the iriver software doesnt)
4) no games but with the H300 series who gives a fuck you could watch porn on the bus too school while listenin to auzzie hip hop :P
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