What Bush has done

[Scully]

Check this site out.

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/

Very funny but also very real. Just open the movies and view. They are short, only 30seconds each.

Broadband would be helpful, but I'm sure it won't take too long to load with normal connections.

[johnny]

OOOooooo, don't get me started :evil: :evil: :evil:

Great site, great ads, WHAT A DICKHEAD!!!!

[Scully]

I watched Bowling for Columbine the other night and it summed up my feelings exactly. It is a must see movie as well.

Can't wait to see Michael Moore's new movie as well.

[BiG BirD]

its so frustrating . have they actually passed the patriot act? that is so fucked up. :evil:

it makes australias issues nothing in comparison to that country. scary thing is a lot of people dont even realise their country is going down the toliet. :? maybe those ad's will help public option along.

[RaID]

very good site

pity those ads are true

:(

[dylma]

RaID Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:34 pm Post subject:

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very good site

pity those ads are true


yeh, pity they are true.
bowling for columbine is the perfect example, so true Scully[/quote]

[Simo]

"so to summarise, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, 9-11, 9-11 and god bless america" :lol: :lol:
"i'll leave no child behind...unles they can't afford it"
"I promise to keep you in a state of fear and anxiety so you never question what we are doing. and if you do we'll call you unpatriotic"

hahaha, they are gold and, even though I wasn't expecting it, pretty much dead true!
Why can't our political campaigns be more like that? Imagine howard being inpersonated or taken off in one of those cartoons :lol:

[Adi]

I have seen Bowling for Columbine also, good 'documentary', though you got to remember that everything you see is just a constructed version of reality. MooreWatch.com (www.moorewatch.com) is a Michael Moore hater website, pretty interesting too.

Stupid White Men and Dude, Where's My Country are also 2 good books by Moore, very entertaining too, :lol:.

Just keep in mind that the majority of Americans did not vote for Bush, (you are not required to vote in America).

I still think that a packet of tic-tacs would make a better president than Bush, :lol:!

[Scully]

Yep, your exactly right. 30-35% of Americans vote and so if Bush just made it in marginally that would mean only around 18% of people voted for him. So effectively 18% of America are voting and deciding for the world. That seems a bit stupid doesn't it. America is really shafting its allies and what we need is a leader here that doesn't go to Washington and act like a total arse-licker and someone who doesn't do whatever Bush wants regardless of the effect it might have on our country. Australia is quickly becoming "little America". Is this where we want to be heading?

Anyway most of what I said is wandering off the topic. I know its all been said before in another thread but i thought i'd say it anyway. Neway now back to the point of this thread.

There is another good site to visit

http://www.michaelmoore.com/index_real.php

[johnny]

Yep, your exactly right. 30-35% of Americans vote and so if Bush just made it in marginally that would mean only around 18% of people voted for him. So effectively 18% of America are voting and deciding for the world. That seems a bit stupid doesn't it. America is really shafting its allies

If what the US pres does affects the whole world, should the whole world get to vote in the US elections?

I can feel a new thread coming on.........jokes, just jokes.

[Scully]

If what the US pres does affects the whole world, should the whole world get to vote in the US elections?

I dunno but it seems like a fair enough idea to me.

[wombat]

Yep, your exactly right. 30-35% of Americans vote and so if Bush just made it in marginally that would mean only around 18% of people voted for him.

Well even beyond that, I was under the impression that Bush didn't actually score a majority of votes, the electoral system didn't require him too.

[bazza]

damn i was about to help this bandwagon get slightly diverted. but it looks like dropin adin has already done it. a documentary is almost always a biased opion. and moores is just about as biased as you are going to get! he could more than likely make a very imcriminating doco for about every member on farkin. and dont forget george bush is one of the easiest targets in the world.

[johnny]

Yep, your exactly right. 30-35% of Americans vote and so if Bush just made it in marginally that would mean only around 18% of people voted for him.

Well even beyond that, I was under the impression that Bush didn't actually score a majority of votes, the electoral system didn't require him too.

The Micheal Moore book "Stupid White Men" deals with that issue in detail. I'm not educated on the intracicies of the US electoral system but it was more a win by Bush due to manipulations of the voting process and judicial system than the mechanics of the electoral system itself.

[johnny]

damn i was about to help this bandwagon get slightly diverted. but it looks like dropin adin has already done it. a documentary is almost always a biased opion. and moores is just about as biased as you are going to get! he could more than likely make a very imcriminating doco for about every member on farkin. and dont forget george bush is one of the easiest targets in the world.

If even one eighth of what MM says is true, then it's a disaster!

Keep in mind that very powerful people have a great interest in debunking Moore's criticisms.

As for doco's being biased, a foundationalist ontology has been discredited for many years now, giving way to the broad opinion that objectivity is the emperor's new clothes. Phenomenolgy is the new standard, we all see life through our own experiences, therefore all opinion, no matter who you are will be tainted with an element of subjectivity. To attack anyone for being subjective is as easy as pointing out how stupid GWBush is!

[Dhfactory]

Would you rather someone like mark latham ran the US?


After bush there will be someone else, and then another, it's no big deal.
Nothing to loose sleep over. I'm pro Iraq war, it's something that had to be done.

If you can't handle today, wait till things get worse.

-Sean

[johnny]

Would you rather someone like mark latham ran the US?


After bush there will be someone else, and then another, it's no big deal.
Nothing to loose sleep over. I'm pro Iraq war, it's something that had to be done.

If you can't handle today, wait till things get worse.

-Sean

I don't know what Mark Latham has to do with the US pres, but no, I don't think he is much better than Howard, but I'd still take Latham over Howard.....

I'm not sure if openning this thread up to the Iraq debate is the right thing to do, but any arguement you can make for war in Iraq, I can counter with facts dates and sources. I'm no pacifist hippy, but facts are facts, and I got heaps of 'em to counter the pro-war argument!

If things are going to get worse, why do you accept it?

[GrubNut]

I have seen Bowling for Columbine also, good 'documentary', though you got to remember that everything you see is just a constructed version of reality.

Yeah I think that's a good point. I basically agree with most of Moore's sentiments and politics but I don't think he's as accurate as he could be (regardless of the myth of objectivity blah blah..). If you watch Bowling for Columbine etc. closely he does twist and exaggerate things.

For example in Bowling for Columbine he reports the number of gun deaths in certain countries and there's a huge discrepancy between, say, Canada and the US. And since Canada US have similar levels of gun ownership he concludes that levels of gun ownership is not the problem.

But he doesn't factor in the the difference in size of their populations when reporting the numbers of gun deaths, and if you do, the difference is not nearly as staggering - sure its about double per capita but the way he reports it, it makes it look like thousands.

I still find him hugely entertaining however.

[GrubNut]

I'm pro Iraq war, it's something that had to be done.


I'd be interested to hear why you're pro Iraq war. What do you think it has or will achieve? Personally, I cannot see how it is a good thing.