whiplash

[digger]

after riding a couple of times on the weekend my neck is totally farked! it's what i can only describe as whiplash. which makes sense as i did case a few doubles but didn't think they were that head snappingly bad, to make matters worse i was only wearing an XC helmet, not a heavy full face.
anyone else had a similar problem???

[parallax]

I wuold've thougt that having a heavie helmet on your head would increase the whiplash effect. I'm no physics expert so don't quote me.

You could try doing some nexk exercises to try strengthen the muscles - but if it's that bad, maybe DJ'ing just isn't for you?? :(

[Ryan]

True that, a heavier helmet would result in worse whiplash.

Go find yourself a rugby team or a rugby coach, front rowers do heaps of excercises to strengthen their neck muscles to save them when scrums collapse, the same muscles are important in keeping your head stable in a crash and preventing whiplash.

[5PIDEY]

i had something like that last weekend, i was stopping after a double and my back and neck just locked. i couldnt do anything and could barly move for 30 mins. gradually the pain went away (after the whole day). try just rolling you neck around slowly, mine didnt hurt when i did stuff really slowly.

[jasco]

Yeah I can associate, I get it riding trials like crazy and it ain't got nothing to do with wiplash. It's from when you are heaving back on the handlebars and your using all those upper shoulder/neck muscles.

Try and strenghten them and also try to strech and warm them up before you get into your riding....

[MUGEN]

wat do u guys call that thing when the back of ur head near the neck sorta feels like u blew a vien inside ur brain. i has happened to me quite a few times, its really annoying. Its usually when i stretch my arm back to grab that hose.

[DJ_Robbie]

wat do u guys call that thing when the back of ur head near the neck sorta feels like u blew a vien inside ur brain. i has happened to me quite a few times, its really annoying. Its usually when i stretch my arm back to grab that hose.

Ohhh, yeah serious, that has happend to me soo much before, i used to play cricket and when i was bowling and put heaps of effort in i got the same thing, it feels like ur whole neck and head is super hot, on fire kinda and its all tingly and ya cant move and stuff, goes away pretty quick... dont know what its called either though.. Annoying!

[MUGEN]

lol....well at least i'm not alone! sry...
ye it goes hot a few seconds after the "snapping sensation". it happened 3times per approx. 20min through my soccer game, i couldn't concentrate for crap!

[digger]

good to know i'm not the only one. think i'll try a better warm up rather than the gym & weights...i'm doing my best to not look like angela bishop...

[TREK24]

Ohhh, yeah serious, that has happend to me soo much before, i used to play cricket and when i was bowling and put heaps of effort in i got the same thing, it feels like ur whole neck and head is super hot, on fire kinda and its all tingly and ya cant move and stuff, goes away pretty quick... dont know what its called either though.. Annoying!

what you're probably doing is stretching every single nerve in your bowling arm so hard, it's pulling back up into your neck and spinal cord. advisable not to do it too often because the more you do it the more likely it will become somewhat permanent (e.g constant tingling, burning, can't move etc) called nerve damage :shock:

[johnny]

Yeah there is a number of issues you could look at here. As the last post stated it could be a perifial nervous system prob. If you spend lots of time leaning your head forward over a bike, computer or study books (lol!!) the discs in your neck can become wdge shaped (thin towards front) and when you do sharp backwards/jolting/pulling, you can make this disc bruise/rupture or poke in and aggravate your spinal column. This usually ends up making you feel pain elsewhere in your body (referential pain that is a trick of your somatosensory cortex, I guess I do pay a attention in lecturtes after all 8) ). This is what can happen in your lower back as well causing your legs/balls to ache, can't remember how it's spelled but it's called sciatica and it SUX :evil: One way of preventing this is with your neck; place hand on chin, move head laterally backwards so your still facing forward and chin is on chest, then under it's own weight let your head roll backwards. A few of these a day can stop the discs in your upper spine from becoming mis-shaped. For the lower back; lay flat on your stomach, put your hands in push up position and raise your body up keeping your hips on the floor making your back arch. Do this slowely to start of with and if there is anything more than slight discomfort, discontinue.

As for muscular injury, it could be hundreds of reasons. The best way to deal with this is check out some vid footage of yourself and see if your head is jolting downwards/upwards and adjust your landing position apropriately. The head is 10% of your body weight and that's a fair bit for your neck and traps to carry, when you land this force is inreased many fold. Therefore if you are going to work these muscles hard in a jolting fashion, they will get damaged. Your local gym instructor or as said before, rugby coach can give you some easy quick neck and upperback excercises to help.



JOHNNY IS NOT A QUALIFIED HEALTH PROFESSIONAL (YET) AND THIS ADVICE SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN WITHOUT CONSULTING A QUALIFIED MEDICAL PRACTITIONER.

[TREK24]

Yeah there is a number of issues you could look at here. As the last post stated it could be a perifial nervous system prob. If you spend lots of time leaning your head forward over a bike, computer or study books (lol!!) the discs in your neck can become wdge shaped (thin towards front) and when you do sharp backwards/jolting/pulling, you can make this disc bruise/rupture or poke in and aggravate your spinal column. This usually ends up making you feel pain elsewhere in your body (referential pain that is a trick of your somatosensory cortex, I guess I do pay a attention in lecturtes after all 8) ).

busting discs is going a bit far and usually only occurs in massive trauma like from car accidents. hey digger, going back to what jasco said, is the pain up high in your neck (near your head), or more across the base near your shoulders?

[johnny]

Yeah there is a number of issues you could look at here. As the last post stated it could be a perifial nervous system prob. If you spend lots of time leaning your head forward over a bike, computer or study books (lol!!) the discs in your neck can become wdge shaped (thin towards front) and when you do sharp backwards/jolting/pulling, you can make this disc bruise/rupture or poke in and aggravate your spinal column. This usually ends up making you feel pain elsewhere in your body (referential pain that is a trick of your somatosensory cortex, I guess I do pay a attention in lecturtes after all 8) ).

busting discs is going a bit far and usually only occurs in massive trauma like from car accidents. hey digger, going back to what jasco said, is the pain up high in your neck (near your head), or more across the base near your shoulders?

You sound like some one with an education in this field, is that correct?

Yeah, actually rupturing discs takes some heavy trauma, or constant medium trauma. What I was pointing towards was more of an acute bulge depressing the meningis and fibres of the spinal column. I have had this (only very slightly) from continual hunching (computer, riding, studying and hanging of the back of a printing machine). I also have a mate who has one leg 1 inch shorter than the other. He has been informed that he has 3 discs depressing his lower spinal cord resulting in the worst referred pain I've ever seen. The poor bastard couldn't even put pants on for a week because his balls were hurting so bad. I'm sceptical that this is the (main) prob here as I think his arm(s) would cop the referred pain too, I don't know enuf to have a credible opinion but it's good to consider all possibilities and/or prevent it from happenning in the future.

[Harder Nox]

i get whiplash everytime i do that drop at Fed. Square.....

[DYJK]

You could try doing some nexk exercises to try strengthen the muscles
go to chemist and but this giant rubber band...i had to to fix my back from riding...

[DJ_Robbie]

whoa, thats soem nice infomration there, in my case the pain is right in the bakc of the head extending down to the back of my neck, and yes it does suck ass! Thanx for ther help

[digger]

i think it's possibly more a trapezoid strain which is placing extra weight on the muscles in my neck so the get sore, either way it's been a pain in the arse, even though i'm heaps better now, the missus will probably crack it if i go for a ride on the weekend now...bummer.

[MUGEN]

Yeah there is a number of issues you could look at here. As the last post stated it could be a perifial nervous system prob. If you spend lots of time leaning your head forward over a bike, computer or study books (lol!!) the discs in your neck can become wdge shaped (thin towards front) and when you do sharp backwards/jolting/pulling, you can make this disc bruise/rupture or poke in and aggravate your spinal column. This usually ends up making you feel pain elsewhere in your body (referential pain that is a trick of your somatosensory cortex, I guess I do pay a attention in lecturtes after all 8) ). This is what can happen in your lower back as well causing your legs/balls to ache, can't remember how it's spelled but it's called sciatica and it SUX :evil: One way of preventing this is with your neck; place hand on chin, move head laterally backwards so your still facing forward and chin is on chest, then under it's own weight let your head roll backwards. A few of these a day can stop the discs in your upper spine from becoming mis-shaped. For the lower back; lay flat on your stomach, put your hands in push up position and raise your body up keeping your hips on the floor making your back arch. Do this slowely to start of with and if there is anything more than slight discomfort, discontinue.

As for muscular injury, it could be hundreds of reasons. The best way to deal with this is check out some vid footage of yourself and see if your head is jolting downwards/upwards and adjust your landing position apropriately. The head is 10% of your body weight and that's a fair bit for your neck and traps to carry, when you land this force is inreased many fold. Therefore if you are going to work these muscles hard in a jolting fashion, they will get damaged. Your local gym instructor or as said before, rugby coach can give you some easy quick neck and upperback excercises to help.



JOHNNY IS NOT A QUALIFIED HEALTH PROFESSIONAL (YET) AND THIS ADVICE SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN WITHOUT CONSULTING A QUALIFIED MEDICAL PRACTITIONER.
oh man thanks for allthis, hopefully it works!

[bazza]

this works for me and was recommended by a neck person
relax your upper body and tilt your head and try and touch your shoulder with your ear only moving your neck. remeber keep your body relaxed. you should feel it streching hold for 30 seconds, alternate. do this 3 times. 30 seconds one each side each time. your neck should feel a lot nicer. do this after any activity or just when you are bored or anywhere.

[johnny]

this works for me and was recommended by a neck person
relax your upper body and tilt your head and try and touch your shoulder with your ear only moving your neck. remeber keep your body relaxed. you should feel it streching hold for 30 seconds, alternate. do this 3 times. 30 seconds one each side each time. your neck should feel a lot nicer. do this after any activity or just when you are bored or anywhere.

Mmmm, I tend to do these when I've drunk too much... :lol:

[naz]

i hate when you get what feels like a pinched nerve or knot in a muscle, i had one yest in my neck it was a dull pain but everytime i turned my neck it hurt like hell. luckily i slept it off

[andrew]

perifial nervous system
peripheral :?:

[johnny]

perifial nervous system
peripheral :?:

I guess that's why I do neuropsych, not Ingoleesh :oops: But I can spell foneticully :P

[TREK24]

i think johnny you should stick to neuropsyc instead of neurophysiology. no offence, but most of the stuff you have posted in here is crap, go and read this book (Pain : a textbook for therapists / edited by Jenny Strong) then come back and talk.

[johnny]

i think johnny you should stick to neuropsyc instead of neurophysiology. no offence, but most of the stuff you have posted in here is crap, go and read this book (Pain : a textbook for therapists / edited by Jenny Strong) then come back and talk.

Well funnily enuf, what I was talking about here comes from experience. Are you saying that the back and neck stretches are crap and that the reasons for them are too? If that's the case, you're better off directing your criticism to my orthopod and two separate physios. The only thing to do with brain activity that I spoke of was the somatosensory cortex, this I will check in my book, "physiology of behaviour" by Niel Carson. BTW, neuropshych deals with neurophysiology, you can't study it's functions without knowing it's physiology. I have no probs with being told I'm wrong if I've made a mistake, but what I've said here worked for me and other people that I know well. Which part exactly do you think I got wrong?

And what exactly are your qualifications (I have already asked this question of you but you still haven't answered it)? Myself, I am only a second year psych student whose main focus is nueropsychology. BTW nueropshychology is not anything to do with some one sitting on a couch or psycho-analysis. It's about how our neuro-biological make up affects our behaviour and psychology. I have also had my fair share of injury and have researched and learnt a lot from it. I am keen to know where you think I am wrong, not for arguments sake, but curiosity and I would hate to think that I am giving some one a bum steer or that I have been bumsteered myself. Also, just reading one book does not make you an expert, just because one medico or academic has one opinion doesn't mean it's right. One thing I've learnt is that there is not one hard and fast rule for science. Many people have many opinions, not all or even any are right :wink:

I think I've rambled on enuf!