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lupine128
27-06-2003, 07:36 PM
was talking to a security dude at QUT today and learned that almost all of the bikes stolen have been locked with good quality cable locks.
the ONLY way to keep hold of your bike if you lock it up somewhere is with at least one good quality D lock.
pretty much any cable lock can be cut with a little bit of effort and only a couple of minutes without someone around.
also remember to put the lock thru the discs of the wheels when you lock it so they can't steal the discs.
so don't take a chance. as annoying as D's are, they are the only real protection you have.
on a related note, the Qld Police used to have a service where you could get items engraved with a rego #, and that # is registered with them. you got little stickers to put on the stuff. if they still do that, it's worth looking into.
creepyjoe
02-07-2003, 11:21 AM
are those armour link locks any good?
you know the ones that are still flexible but have big metal links protecting whatever cable is inside?
if anything I would imagine the armour links would atleast make it harder to fit a set of bolt cutters around it
lupine128
02-07-2003, 12:16 PM
i realy like the sheathed cable locks. they are almost as difficult to get thru as a good D and are more flexible to use. a combination of D and cable is also a good way to go.
the current problem in the UK is people using air cutters and jacks on D locks at night.
if you are locking your bike up at night, make sure it is in a very well lit, and high traffic area. just being well lit gives the thieves light to work by if their is no-one around.
at home make sure you lock your ride if it isn't in the house with you.
again use a combination of cable and and D if you live in a high risk area.
there are sheathed cable locks with alarms built in that are pretty good value, and some of the locks made for motos are also excellent.
still tho, the best protection is to leave your $2k+ rig at home and ride a playbike to school/uni.
i have an old norco i built up from spares that i ride to the city and uni on. it works great, rides well, is fun as hell, and looks like shit. i also take a minute between classes to move the bike if i'm there all day. i don't park in the same place at the time each time, cause that gives theives who watch QUT a chance to see when is a good time to try for my bike.it is a bit of a hassle, but looseing my ride would be more.
also remember to report ANY suspictions to security. people who are supposed to be there don't ever mind security saying hi to them, it's only the assholes who nick shit that don't want them around.
oz-freerider
02-07-2003, 06:22 PM
them d locks are easy to break i've seen it done all they do is mood a car jack andjack it apart till it snaps their is no real protection for bikes thats why i dont leave mine anywhere
yeh i dont really think theres much protection for
your bikes if you leaven outside
even if they cant cut the lock they can always
nick your deraillure or disk brakes so
its a definately big risk
which im not willing to take
2fifty
02-07-2003, 07:10 PM
these look awesome, pity they're $150+ (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=2735&atf=product s_item&pgrp=20)
lupine128
03-07-2003, 03:39 PM
the thing to remember is that a theif only has a cpl of minutes, and has to look natural.
it looks a bit weird to see a guy jacking a D apart, whereas you can sorta disguise cutting a cable a bit.
still tho just haveing a spare bike to ride that looks really crappy is the best protection for the good bikes.
also, this is pretty mean but, if you have to ride your bike in somewhere, see if you can park it next to a better bike with less pro. i know it kinda sux, but it's up to them to look after theirs i guess.
benny boy
03-07-2003, 04:15 PM
2 fifty thats a fuken mad lock
belly_up
03-07-2003, 08:50 PM
i've got that kryptonite lock (just the lock, not the chain) for my moto, and i tell you what, there's no way you're breaking that baby without a 9" angle grinder, a lot of noise, and a fair bit of time.
fastrider gus
04-07-2003, 06:00 PM
or just dont take your bike anywhere where you have to leave it.. if you do, take your old plonker..
that thing looks like some damn good protection
how do u stop people with allen keys and stuff though who only want select parts?
I have a mate who rides to work who has had his seat stolen several times poor bugger
duncan^kona
06-07-2003, 09:37 AM
2 fifty thats a fuken mad lock
thats one chunky ass mofo lock my friend
ive got a tioga d-lock, the only thing is, its a bitch to carry coz it ways a fukken tone, but i meen, no one is baout to get through it in a hurry'
lupine128
06-07-2003, 03:44 PM
i have a cable lock that i use to lock the wheels to the frame with. this runs thru the seat rails, then round both rims thru the discs then to the frame. then i use a d lock to go thru the frame to something big that they will have trouble cutting thru.
but it's a pain in the ass.
as for people just nicking parts, the only thing you can do is lock it in a high trafic area and hope that people wil notice anything weird.
i had some guy take the caliper and disc from my front end once, thats when i started to use the cable lock on the wheels.
hardtail free rider
06-07-2003, 05:41 PM
yeh i've seen a pair of super chunky handcuff bike locks there thicker then normal ones and are covered with rubber but i dont no how much they are, and they wouldnt have any rotection for anything but the frame
fastrider gus
06-07-2003, 05:42 PM
yea i saw them in a MBUK mag.. looks funky
yeh i've seen a pair of super chunky handcuff bike locks there thicker then normal ones and are covered with rubber but i dont no how much they are, and they wouldnt have any rotection for anything but the frame
yeah they are at vicmtb going for like $250 or something like that.
hey what about those kryptonite cables. like the 2 metre one??
how easy are they to break?? i got one but dont know the capabilities of kryptonite?
yeh i've seen a pair of super chunky handcuff bike locks there thicker then normal ones and are covered with rubber but i dont no how much they are, and they wouldnt have any rotection for anything but the frame
yeah they are at vicmtb going for like $250 or something like that.
hey what about those kryptonite cables. like the 2 metre one??
how easy are they to break?? i got one but dont know the capabilities of kryptonite?
$250 for a lock? Bloody.
Kryptonite cables are very very hard to cut, but like anything, given enough time you can get through em.
ive got a moto lock that coils up and is quite beefy and would be a bitch to cut with anything less than a fukin massive pair of bolt-cutters or angle grinder.
i also use a failry good combination lock to wrap through the wheels, discs, seat etc.
I've only ever had to lock my ride up in the city once though.
curtisrider
10-07-2003, 12:35 PM
ive got a steelwire and padlock one and a kryptonite cable/combination lock
I went to a locksmith and asked for a padlock thaat would take a bit to get through, then went and bought some high tensile chain. Would take an angle grinder or a pair of bolt cutters too big to put in your pocket, to get through the chain or lock. Good thing is it only cost around 50 bucks.
i've got a crappy combination cable lock through my seat permanently cause i don't think i can get a non qr post clamp (when i eventually get my bikes sorted out and this one becomes my daily steed, i might even take a welder to some heavy chain as a permanent thing). then i chuck a d-lock through the frame and front/back wheel (depending on where i leave my bike) and another combination cable lock through the frame and other wheel.
i heard the best thing to get is a case hardened chain and padlock, but i think a fairly solid set weighs and costs a fair bit, so you don't really want to be lugging it round anywhere.
dazonic
30-07-2003, 10:25 PM
There's some brand of lock we've got at work, there's a $2000 anti-theft warranty that comes with it, the lock itself retails for like $100 i think.
fastrider gus
02-08-2003, 08:27 PM
my mate locked up my bike at school so it wouldnt get nicked.. then he forgot the combo.. so we snapped the lock off with our bare hands so i could ride home!!
lol
the same thing happened with my lock (which was the same one)...
There's some brand of lock we've got at work, there's a $2000 anti-theft warranty that comes with it, the lock itself retails for like $100 i think.
Kryptonite...
i rekon what u need is to park ur bike neer a pwer point(if its chrome-o) and hook 240v straight up to it. make sure u got insulated gloves when u take it off but
Dicky
26-08-2003, 12:13 AM
i reckon what u need is to park ur bike near a power point (if it's cromo) and hook 240v straight up to it. make sure u got insulated gloves when u take it off but
that's the sickest, most inhumane thing i've heard in a while.
mad :twisted:
rig up some sort of speedo/lighting battery charger while you're at it...
Kreaky
27-08-2003, 06:36 PM
Bring on the zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
shit these a dead body of the guy that tried to take my bike.
would be a good story to tell the kids, only problem is that they would get scared that ull do it to them
matty_2004
30-08-2003, 11:35 PM
D locks dont cover much of the bike, would need liek 5 to lock it up properly...
peachy
30-08-2003, 11:45 PM
There's some brand of lock we've got at work, there's a $2000 anti-theft warranty that comes with it, the lock itself retails for like $100 i think.
Kryptonite...
i's gotta get me one of those
how would couriers go about safety?
Squidly Didly
30-08-2003, 11:50 PM
I used an Abus lock whilst couring. Super heavy but essential. Just make sure you lock it to a tree. If not check that the pole you lock it too cannot be pulled out of the ground, or that you can lift the bike over the pole. Sounds like common sence, but so many people lose their bikes this way!
lupine128
31-08-2003, 12:40 AM
i used a basta cable lock. didn't lose a bike working, but was generaly running in and out pretty quick so they didn't have much time.
what about wheels and shit? did you lock around them or not have quik release stuff?
juzza
31-08-2003, 01:19 PM
You gys go on and on about how good some locks are these days but the thing that no one thinks much about is what they are locking it to. It would be easier to cut through a "No Standing" sign pole than to cut through the lock. Cuncils should put up in the street poles you can lock to that cant be cut through.
lupine128
31-08-2003, 03:17 PM
fuzzy, when i was working, i just went round the frame and rear. for the rest of the time, frame and both wheels.
juzza, it is easier to cut the pole down than go thru some of the locks, but you tend to attract a little more attention doing it.
jayboy882003
31-08-2003, 03:52 PM
scientist need to design a lock that when something OTHER then your hands it will shock it. so basically only yourself can touch it and if any other THING that touches it will get a shock and will zap straight to the person who is the theif!
its would cost a bomb though! :roll:
lupine128
31-08-2003, 04:02 PM
read virtual light by ian gibson.
he had an idea for a lock that was charged by riding, then closed with a thumb print. if someone else tryed to touch it or unlock it, it discharged the capictator and zap.
good idea. like many of his ideas tho, wonder when/if we will see them happen
youll get sued for that. and in this day and age the bike theif will win :roll:
Squidly Didly
31-08-2003, 06:19 PM
what about wheels and shit? did you lock around them or not have quik release stuff?
Trans-X and Kryptonite make some security skewers. I just went the Trans-X's as they were about $30 for the set. Make sure you have a bolt up seat clamp, as farkers take it as a joke!
mr whippy
31-08-2003, 09:23 PM
the first d lock i bought i couldn't even fit it around the frame and rear wheel ( 40mm rims and 2.5 tires) bloody annoying! i'm in favour of the electrical method. last year i lived in a flat and we got broken into by people climbing the balcony to get in, that was until we clamped a car battery to the railing. if only i could do that to my rig. :twisted:
Gonzo
01-09-2003, 01:17 AM
Probably the real downfall with trying to run a current through your bike is not getting the theif but some one that is hooking their bike up near yours and accidently leans agaginst your bike.
belly_up
22-09-2003, 09:51 AM
There's some brand of lock we've got at work, there's a $2000 anti-theft warranty that comes with it, the lock itself retails for like $100 i think.
Kryptonite...
i's gotta get me one of those
That anti-theft warranty is only valid inside the US, and maybe the UK, you'll find, if you read the details.
Commander Dilsnikk
22-09-2003, 10:50 AM
i got this one
http://www.kryptonitelock.com/articles/2790/136217_200.gif
http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=2790&atf=product s_item&pgrp=20
tough as nails (well i hope it's tougher than nails actually)
$2000 (USD) Anti-Theft Protection (pity u can't get it in aus...but it's a good sign)
and it sits almost flush around my frame and back wheel so it would be EXTREMELY difficult to get a car jack in to do the dirty work
cost me $120 but i'm willing to pay that to secure a $3K rig!!
i don't really leave it out when i can help it.....which is obviously the best protection......but when i have to i feel pretty safe with this lock on it
it may be heavy but...hey...that means i get fitter faster!!!
i usually take off the front wheel and put the lock through the back wheel, the frame and the front wheel which i place next to it....then to a very secure pole
kalem
22-09-2003, 10:50 AM
smear fresh dog shit all over your bike and i think it'll be safe...
Commander Dilsnikk
22-09-2003, 10:55 AM
yummy!!!
errr.......
bazza
02-10-2003, 03:17 PM
i still use my parents for money......my mum has insurance for my bike under her area because of better ratings and that shit so i just basically lock my bike up and if it or parts get stolen hello new parts, its still a pain though.
Daver
26-10-2003, 11:10 AM
i got me a doberman after i had all my bikes stolen... n my insurance company paid 1/2 of a new "cage" to lock my bikes in- the same stuff shops use for extra security behind their front doors...
lupine128
02-11-2003, 07:14 AM
have been tallking to a cpl of the cops that come into the shop sometimes, and they were telling me that quite a few stolen bikes are recovered by letting all the local bike shops know the details.
grab a sheet of paper and do up a stolen poster.
include :
a picture of the bike if you have one.
the seriel #, and it's location (include the location as some #'s are in unusual places.
distinguishing marks on the frame.
ALL the parts, not just the speccy stuff. just write down the exact parts spec on the machine when it was stolen, including the seriel # of the forks if they had one.
where, when and how it was stolen.
a 24 contact #.
details of reward if any (shops aren't interested in the reward, but it helps to convince joe bikescum's freinds to roll on him.
put it all on a single A4 sheet and drop a cpl into each shop withing a huge radius of your place. in brisbane for example, if it got stolen in red hill, i'd have posters as far out as ipswich and caboolture.
all of this gives the best chance to get your baby back.
haveing said all that, you do have a copy of all the seriel #'s don't you?
if not, go and get one NOW! and put it someplace safe.
lucco
02-11-2003, 08:20 AM
was talking to a security dude at QUT today and learned that almost all of the bikes stolen have been locked with good quality cable locks.
a dickhead that goes to my school lives in Queensland and he said one of his friends steals bikes from a QLd Mall. He's stolen like a XTC nrs 2 or a XTC 2
or something
if someones had a bike stolen in a Queensland mall i can see if i can get the guys name.
i hate bike theives.... :twisted: :evil:
tu plang
02-11-2003, 09:11 AM
well i got my bike insured against theft from my house and possibly if it is left newhere (though im not sure about this), its about $50 a year, which is kinda expensive for insurance but a small price to pay i spose. if neone is interested i'll ask my dad wat it covers in detail.
dickyknee
02-11-2003, 10:42 AM
You gys go on and on about how good some locks are these days but the thing that no one thinks much about is what they are locking it to. It would be easier to cut through a "No Standing" sign pole than to cut through the lock. Cuncils should put up in the street poles you can lock to that cant be cut through.
i have heard of a bloke who cut through the no standing sign and steal a mates bike chained to it , did not see it happen but have seen the pole .
th eonly way to stop it is leave bike at home as no matter what you use if they want your bike they will get it .
bazza
02-11-2003, 11:05 AM
oh yeah you can cable tie your quick releases to your frame as well, just means people can't jokingly steal parts off it. use good quality cable ties as well.
You gys go on and on about how good some locks are these days but the thing that no one thinks much about is what they are locking it to. It would be easier to cut through a "No Standing" sign pole than to cut through the lock. Cuncils should put up in the street poles you can lock to that cant be cut through.
lock it to a telegraph pole or a tree
SausaGe_LiNk
05-12-2003, 08:45 AM
http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=2705&atf=product s_item&pgrp=20
I have that lock, its pretty good for its price.
I was just reading through a cycling mag and they got this special 'Radar Protect' for mtbs. only 60$ and they tag your bike with serial number, owner and insurance details in some crazy inconpictuous way. So if your bike is stolen you just report it to them and they locate it for you.
i dunno, if i were to get some crazy new bike worth a few gran id definetly give this a look.
Avanti_Racing
17-01-2004, 01:37 PM
what magazines that? is it in aus and do they have a phone number? ill b the first one to join,
OK this add is from the 'australian cyclist' magazine.
"RADAR PROTECTED"
"COMING SOON!"
"The latest in cycle ID utilizing Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) proven in Germany and Holland with over two million cycles tagged each year. Radar' have devoloped this state-of-the-art technology with radar encryptions of serial number, owner and insurance details into transponders covertly placed in the cycle.
"THIS COST-EFFECTIVE ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM WILL RETAIL AT THE RECCOMENDED PRICE OF ONLY $59.00"
________________________________
"Endoresed by Safeguard bicycle insurancem SRS insurance group, NASA, the Motor Traers Association of NSW and the Motor Trades Association of WA, The National Road Trailers Australia, National Assistance Service Australia and technology supported by various insurance companies."
"All enquiries to Cardinal Rule PTY LTD ,- Telephone (02) 9213 4271
___________________
Pheew! hard work im off for a ride :)
after typing it out i now relise they actually place the radio transponder INSIDE your bike...which is very cool. youd never have to live in fear of your bike getting stolen again...well it still might get stolen but you can track em down the click of your fingers! SO, its not here yet but by the sounds of it youll be seeing it in the next few months. :) :)
thought you might be interested in what Sheldon Brown has to say about locks:
"If you don't have secure parking at your workplace, you should indeed have a serious lock, such as a Kryptonite. The thing is, you should not carry it home every night. The weight of a typical U-lock represents the difference between a $400 bike and a $700 bike.
Just leave the lock at work, locked to whatever you normally lock your bike to. Carry a light cable lock with you for quick errands or emergencies.
If you use both the U-lock and the cable lock at work, you are more than twice as safe as you would be with either of them alone. Either type of lock can be defeated, but each requires a different large, bulky tool which is useless against the other.
Don't take your bike apart to lock it, it is really bogus. The cable lock will secure your front wheel to the frame and any convenient object, and the U-lock will secure your rear wheel and frame. If you have a quick-release seatpost bolt, replace it with an Allen head bolt, and stop worrying about having your saddle stolen.
The best cable locks are the ones that have the lock built-in, rather than relying on a padlock. The padlock is the weak link, easily cut with bolt cutters, the tool of choice for most bike thieves. A new, sharp bolt cutter will cut a cable too, but an old, worn-out one will only crush a cable.
The best U-locks are the smallest. My favorite is the Kryptonite Mini, which not all bike shops stock. The Mini is much smaller and lighter than the more popular models, but just as secure. It may be even more secure, because of the limited room to put a jack inside it. It also gives less purchase for leverage-based attacks.
People tend to buy the big clunky U-locks because they don't know how to use them properly. A U-lock should go around the rear rim and tire, somewhere inside the rear triangle of the frame. There is no need to loop it around the seat tube as well, because the wheel cannot be pulled through the rear triangle.
Some will object that felons might cut the rear rim and tire to remove the lock. Believe me, this just doesn't happen in the real world. First, this would be a lot of work to steal a frame without a useable rear wheel, the most expensive part of a bike, after the frame. Second, cutting the rear rim is much harder than you might think. Since the rim is under substantial compression due to the tension on the spokes, it would pinch a hacksaw blade tight as soon as it cut partway through. Then there are the wire beads of the tire, also difficult to cut."
Gonzo
21-01-2004, 05:11 PM
I think a good idea for trying to stop bike theft would be to have a searchable database on the internet somewhere. If you had your bike stolen then you would list it on the database and then when someone buys a second hand bike they would simply punch in the bike's serial number and see if it was stolen.
I have bugger all computer knowledge and wouldn't know how to go about doing this but someone else may be able to.
Tomas
21-02-2004, 12:02 PM
I think a good idea for trying to stop bike theft would be to have a searchable database on the internet somewhere. If you had your bike stolen then you would list it on the database and then when someone buys a second hand bike they would simply punch in the bike's serial number and see if it was stolen.
I have bugger all computer knowledge and wouldn't know how to go about doing this but someone else may be able to.
now that is an idea
Jordy
21-02-2004, 04:20 PM
they dont even have that for motorbikes yet.... my dad was gunna make up a site where you put in your motorbikes info and it uploads it...... the government wouldn't fork up the cash for it so it never happened
Daver
02-05-2004, 07:50 PM
our insurance company (NRMA) made us get one of these after 2 breakins:
http://www.farkin.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=7007
http://www.farkin.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=7008
works a treat- i'd recommend it to anyone!!!
look into motor bike locks and chains... their mostly ALOT more expensive than mtbs and are stolen almost as frequently... so their locks and chains are HELL beefy and tough!
riderigid
13-06-2004, 12:48 PM
these look awesome, pity they're $150+ (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=2735&atf=product s_item&pgrp=20)
mate, $150 is worth it in order to save a 2K+ bike.
it is a good thing my bike isn't much of a 'looker' (anyone who has seen it will testify to this!) and if i park it next to a nice shiny one with suspension... well, u know which one the dumbass theif will go for! (even if it is a huffy or learsport!)
riderigid
13-06-2004, 12:49 PM
these look awesome, pity they're $150+ (http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=2735&atf=product s_item&pgrp=20)
http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/templateform@public?tn=products_how_to#BICYCLES
here are some locking tips
Joel O
07-07-2004, 08:51 AM
but if motos are stolen almost as pften even though they have beefy locks wouldn't that mean thye locks aren't that good.
apsilon
30-07-2004, 09:05 PM
Does anyone know any places in Sydney that stock the full range (or at least the upper end stuff) of Kryptonite locks? I've just bought a new bike and would like to get a new lock to go with it but so far I've only found places that sell the entry level of the range and if I'm going to buy something it may as well be the best I can get.
Dont leave it for longer then half an hour i reckon.Any lock can be destroyed in 1 hour ,and cable locks i wouldnt even bother with except to stop a spare of the moment thief, my mate had a $50 combination cable wrapped around his seat post and frame and couldnt remember the combo,3 rotations around the cable at full squeeze with high quality pliers killed it instantly,shame his girlfriend found the combo on the old lock box that night .
Gonzo
09-09-2004, 12:16 AM
I don't think it is really worth spending $200+ dollars on a lock. I think you would be better off spending the money on a huffy and then use that to get around and leave your good bike at home.
cheggy
26-09-2004, 12:58 AM
You can open a kryptonite lock with a biro, which is most disconcerning, especially as I use one myself. The newer "New York" range is supposed to stop this problem, but it shows that nothing is capable of stopping thieves.
I have only just started riding again after 4 years off, but I remember back when I use to ride, you could get barcodes installed into the headset with satellite tracking on them, just the same as you can get with cars and motobikes. It wasn't that expensive either and while it doesn't stop them from nicking your bike, it can help bring these thieves to justice, whether it be by the cops or with an old steerer tube.
W2ttsy
26-09-2004, 02:56 PM
i have a lock up room at work for my baby, and when i go to tafe i demand they let me have it in the class room. if a teacher says no, then i tell them ill either go home, or they can foot the replacement cost. they comply usually.
otherwise, if i have to lock up, i normally do it with one of the huge ass tioga chains, or i ride an old clunker.
its a pity we have to do this, but until the unscrupulous give up, its going to be the norm.
W2ttsy
apsilon
26-09-2004, 05:29 PM
I don't think it is really worth spending $200+ dollars on a lock. I think you would be better off spending the money on a huffy and then use that to get around and leave your good bike at home.
Only problem with that reasoning is that trends seem to be that more bikes are being stolen from peoples homes and simply leaving it in the shed or garage isn't good enough. While you're out and about on your huffy your good bike has just been nicked.
A good thing to do if you have QR wheels is to remove both wheels and attach them to the frame and then remove the skewers from these wheels and take them with you. Most skewers will fit in the average pocket and don't weigh much. Even if the shitbag manages to remove the lock its going to have a hard time escaping with a frame and two wheels and will look very suspicious.
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