Who do you think is the best all round rider?

[mtbmx]

hey guys who do you think is the best all round rider and why?
personally id say darren berrecloth he can ride street, dj's and can hit big drops. so what do u guys think?

[Rik]

John Tomac.

[junior]

rennie is good.

[Squidly Didly]

John Tomac.
ditto...

[mtbmx]

whos john tomac and yeh rennie is sick especially in earthed

[floody]

Shaun Palmer - he's been successful at the top end of all these "riding" sports......
-MTB DH, Slalom, dual
-BMX
-Motocross
-Supercross
-Snowboard - Boarder X, Half pipe

[floody]

I'd give Tomac a vote though, yeah, pro at BMX, MTB DH,XC, Slalom, Dual and so on, gotta be worth a rap!

[Tomas]

hey guys who do you think is the best all round rider and why?
personally id say darren berrecloth he can ride street, dj's and can hit big drops. so what do u guys think?

You have watched DropIn TV right?

[mtbmx]

yeh but not the episode hes in. dude watch nwd4 or kranked 5 berrecloth is the best. 360 drops :shock:

[nicklouse]

whos john tomac :shock: :o

a godfather of the sport.

[S.]

whos john tomac

Just some hack who happened to be the US national Road, XC and DH champ at some time or other... nothing special.

[Anthony!]

I think kyle strait is a good rider.


And he has a good song on NWD4. :P

[mtbmx]

yeah kyle strait is pretty good hes pretty talented and hes got style. aaron chase is a a sick street dirt jump rider.

[roasted]

im surprised no one has mentioned CEDRIC yet.

oh and tomac is a demigod

[Roast-Rider]

Brian Lopes is GOLD. BMX, DH, D/S and BSX. This is the man I look up to. Man he is smooth and fast.

[dhd]

Yep Cedric.
Not my favourite rider but I think he is probably the most versatile at the moment.

[Joel O]

cedric and mick hannah

[Tomas]

Yep Cedric.
Not my favourite rider but I think he is probably the most versatile at the moment.

Cedric, Tomac and Lopes seem too be the things that come to my mind.

[Roast-Rider]

I fell I should mention April Lawyer also. Brings sunshine to the scene. Fast also.

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

Palmer-hell yes
Lopes -damn good
Cullinan
Tomac


todays riders have nothing on these guys...barrecloth? are you kidding, that guy is a chump.

[and1]

cedric is good, but I would say shaun palmer - he owns everyone in whatever he does.

bloody hell....there realy arent many best all round riders on any of the NWD movies sept Cedric, and the od Lopez scene, the rest are pretty much only good on camera (not comparing them to me), Rennie IMO is the best all round rider, closly tailed by Gracia and Tomac, they are all phat

[The Zigster]

Steve Marsh would be a contender in the Aussie section I reckon. If only his knees didnt keep fucking up on him....

[DYJK]

berrecloth :lol:
nah it has to be Cedric Gracia for sure...but after that berrecloth

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

umm
name one thing barrecloth has achieved, apart frm avoiding drug tests, and I might think he is a good rider.

What about cullinan and lopes? BMX, Downhill, slalom, Mountian x
they have owned all of those events.

Palmer: snowboarding, downhill, slalom, moto x, nascar, skateboarding, drag racing and even a touring band.

Tomac: DH, Slalom and XC

barrecloth: Well he can do a 360..ummmm he can ride a bmx pretty good. ummm..he uses steroids....umm he has never won a race.

[Yowie]

Anyone with the last name Hannah

[mtb_man]

Anyone who has to ask who is Tomac shouldn't really get a say in this question.

I can't pick one rider since they're all good in their own way so there's five on my list.

Tomac: DH, XC, DS...oh yeah he was also on the Motorola road squad with a certain Mr L.Armstrong.
Cullinan, Lopes: Can't split them since they ruled BMX way back when and then switched to MTB's and they ruled that too. Plus Cully had a heart valve transplant and still rode faster than you wish you could.
Gracia: Not many others can win a World Cup one day then throw down for a film the next and party all night in between.
Palmer: Not a huge fan of his but he tried everything and was pretty decent at most of it. He gets points for just being talented at whatever he does.

Notable Mentions:
Rob Eva, Rennie, Wade Simmons

[RaID]

its really a bit hard to tell as we only really see
one or two side of most riders (with few exceptions eg Gracia)

id have to say that most top DH riders would really
be very similar, Rennie, Peat, Gracia, Nico
(who has seen Rennie or Nico DJ or ride street?
they all can do it you just never see doesnt mean they
arent good at it)

definately in competitive MTB it has to be Tomac

[howesy_66]

well, i would personally have to say cedric, but then again, dyer and sprangler get a big thumbs up from me to, as not only are they awsome riders, but are great role models to the sport, but they street, go huge and go fast, and arnt to over commercialised. and whats more, there vetrans to the sport, anyone who can be as good as they are and hang around as long as they have, and not change a bit gets top votes from me, but also ontop of that......how come i havnt heard any one mention the vetran himself, big wade!

[scblack]

has to be Rennie, closely followed by Cedric

they can do all riding , probably except XC, and be likely in the world's top 5, whatever it is. Look at Red Bull Ride, Rampage, Freight Train, DH & 4X - they will be at the top anytime

[toodles]

Cedric at the moment I reckon. He wins dual, 4x, DH and huckfest freeriding comps. Anne-Caro who completely dominates women's DH, is competitive in Dual, 4X and now even XC so she rates a mention. Plus she hits the jump trails a bit too. Anyone who picks a bloody freeride "athlete" is kidding themselves.

The earlier riders who competed in DH, XC and Dual really stick out as well.

[Jebus]

(who has seen Rennie or Nico DJ or ride street?
they all can do it you just never see doesnt mean they
arent good at it)


I have seen rennie dj, and ride street, in redbull ride, drift, earthed and many others. not nico, apparently he aint that great at dj, just a racer through and through.

[Ryan]

(who has seen Rennie or Nico DJ or ride street?


Rennie DJ's and rides street... (http://www.farkin.net/page.php?p=bf429f3e70dbab800e88ca98fe6d6804)

[Hagar]

Tomac is probably number one when it comes to being great at everything.

Seems mtbing is becoming so specialised that having more than 2 competitive disciplines is damn near impossible.

Another 2 guys to consider

Hans Rey
Greg Herbold

Am I showing my age?

[nitwit]

DH- Nico, what was it, 6 world titles (correct me if i'm wrong).

Dual/4x- Lopes for sure.

Rider of anything he gets on- Palmer for sure kills it on anything he rides.

All round- would have to be Tomac that bloke was not only a farkin legend rider but also a pioneer in bike design.

I'd agree that if you don't know who John Tomac is, you should do some research. It'll open your eyes a bit as to how mtb design progressed.

[Ty]

at pressent, rennie, he kills it DHing as everone knows, watching him DJ is unbelieveable, he throws a mtb around like it was a bmx, he's got manual skills coming out of his ears (see drift), and from what i can gather he lives off beer and pies.

and he's a top bloke aswell


in the past, palmer, he's the most suscessfull extreme sports person to date, snowboard, MX, Skis, MTBs he's had a hand at all of them and proved himself.

then JT, he stepped up in a fledgling sport that was in need of heros and character (insane wayne and pistol pete just didn't cut it for me in the early 90s)


oh and nico was pretty good too.

[Rik]

oh and nico was pretty good too.
Since we're talking about other sports, can't forget his rally driving too!

[Ty]

DH- Nico, what was it, 6 world titles (correct me if i'm wrong).


Tomac that bloke was not only a farkin legend rider but also a pioneer in bike design.



nico won 10 (in a row almost cept for miles rockwell snagging one)

and what did JT pioneer? he used the same parralle linkage (lawwill) that shwinn and yeti had used for years (he rode for giant when he was winning if anyone cares to flash back)

i agree with Hagar here, some of us starting to show our age alittle (and i was a libor kraze fan over hans)

[nitwit]

Thanks for the correction Ty, although Tomac did'nt design anything (sorry about that) :oops: he's still a legend. I'm 24 but have only been in MTB for 16 months and my history on the subject is'nt the best so i guess i'm a gromet.

[Rik]

and what did JT pioneer?
I'd assume he was working closely with Tioga to design their products.
Not that that's a great thing... hrm, disc wheels, MTB drop bars, lycra skinsuits :?

[RCOH]

Doesn't JT own/run/design 'Tomac Bikes'. If so he may not have pioneered a ground-breaking suspension design, but he still must have some say in how his company's bikes look & handle.

So you are both right :)

edit: fuck rik, once again you jump in front.... :wink:

[Daver]

Doesn't JT own/run/design 'Tomac Bikes':

yep. He's in 50/50 with doug bradbury.

I'd say tomac would be the all time greatest, followed by
Rennie- King of the Pits
Vouilloz- fastest DH, and Freerider out there- he has won the last few rounds of mega avelanche in europe, and has to be one of the smoothest, fastest and coolest guys. Most professional at dj, xc and road )maybe DH too?) that there's been
Gracia- Style king. Definately not the most talented but one of the better riders that can do everything (huck, jump and race)
Shandro- oldsckool :P DH turned northshore pro.
Vanderham- hucker and top 50 WC rider
Kyle Strait - (twat) but still very versatile and talented- top 30 in norbas and a hucker.

[Kammy]

DYLAN TREMBLAY OR TYLER KLASSEN

[Hagar]

Hey Ty

Did you ever see cunning stunts and dirty tricks.

put forward your chocolate foot

For those who dont know him, he was one of the guys who really made trials cool. Starred in some of the first MTB videos ever and still rides for GT as RnD guy. Lucky guy gets to travel the world and ride awesome trails.

[maka]

cedric for piss drinkin and riding ability

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

I think peaty may just tip CG in the drinking field

[Ty]

Hey Ty

Did you ever see cunning stunts and dirty tricks.

put forward your chocolate foot

For those who dont know him, he was one of the guys who really made trials cool. Starred in some of the first MTB videos ever and still rides for GT as RnD guy. Lucky guy gets to travel the world and ride awesome trails.

wasn't 'put forward your chocolate foot' in monkey see monkey do (or something like that) but yeah hans was cool, but i was into cannondales so hence libor was my fav.


on another note i'll throw the name shums march in for one of the greatest all round riders, i remember watching plush back in 98-99 and seeing him bunny hop to manual a mountain cycles DH rig onto a picknic table, and bust all kinds of crazy 'urban" stuff way before it was cool, that kinda inspired me to look to the streets as a place to ride mtbs.

[floody]

then JT, he stepped up in a fledgling sport that was in need of heros and character (insane wayne and pistol pete just didn't cut it for me in the early 90s)


Hehe yeah Wayne Croasdale didn't seem to do much notable stuff except appearing nude on an azonic VR1 in an old vid.. But "Pistol" Pete Loncarevich was a hell decent rider, good at DH, slalom, and an awesome BMX'er back in the day too...On a side note, he was also a frighteningly efficient cage fighter with his Brazillian Jujitsu skills in the early days of no holds barred fighting comps - where other people's bouts lasted like an hour he generally won via knockout in the first 4 minutes or so!!

Tomac really did inject some serious life into the sport. He was such a huge hero, what with the BMX, XC, road, DH, slalom and all, and being fast at all of them.
Of course, Tomac comes from the time when you raced all those things at the same event, on the same weekend - so you learnt quick to be an all rounder!

Damn straight on Shaums March, definitely watching plush inspired a progression in street riding...Not to mention Wheel Deal and Jeffery Lenosky...

I think Hans Rey is definitely a huge contender for best all round rider, his skills are almost supernatural...

[DYJK]

name one thing barrecloth has achieved, apart frm avoiding drug tests, and I might think he is a good rider
Can someone fill me in here...whats up with bereclth and drug tests isnt he a freerider???

[mtbmx]

dude yeah dont go dissing berrelcoth hes a sick rider just because he doesnt race dont mean he dont have skill no one else chucks 360s of 25 foot drops and can ride street as well as him. rennie is sick tho

[S.]

dude yeah dont go dissing berrelcoth hes a sick rider just because he doesnt race dont mean he dont have skill no one else chucks 360s of 25 foot drops and can ride street as well as him. rennie is sick tho

Excuse me for asking, but how old are you?

[intense jonoooo]

Cedric Gracia is da coolest!

[mtbmx]

dude yeah dont go dissing berrelcoth hes a sick rider just because he doesnt race dont mean he dont have skill no one else chucks 360s of 25 foot drops and can ride street as well as him. rennie is sick tho

Excuse me for asking, but how old are you?
15 and you?

dude im just saying i think berrecloth is good. im not talking but racing bout freeriding and i think he is the best all rounder. yeah lopes and that are good and so is rennie but i have a say so chime out mate.

[wombat]

im not talking but racing bout freeriding and i think he is the best all rounder.
Oh dear lord.

[S.]

dude yeah dont go dissing berrelcoth hes a sick rider just because he doesnt race dont mean he dont have skill no one else chucks 360s of 25 foot drops and can ride street as well as him. rennie is sick tho

Excuse me for asking, but how old are you?
15 and you?

dude im just saying i think berrecloth is good. im not talking but racing bout freeriding and i think he is the best all rounder. yeah lopes and that are good and so is rennie but i have a say so chime out mate.

Take it easy, I was just asking. I'm 18 FYI.

:lol:

[Squidly Didly]

Oh dear lord.
Not even he can save us now...

[mtbmx]

Oh dear lord.
Not even he can save us now...
ok is this better. oh tomac is the best i hate berrecloth and we love rennie yeah and lopes rulz i love dh racing all hail squidly didly he is god i am his bitch

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

Barrecloth is shit, seriously what has he acomplished? I know 16 year olds who can do 360 drops. He wins nothing, he has no achievements except looking hardcore on camera, and why doens't he compete? It wouldn't be the fact that he is taking steroids would it?

[Squidly Didly]

Oh dear lord.
Not even he can save us now...
ok is this better. oh tomac is the best i hate berrecloth and we love rennie yeah and lopes rulz i love dh racing all hail squidly didly he is god i am his bitchDude take this personal if you wish but you did ask who is the best 'all rounder'. Don't ask if you don't want to know the answer :roll:

[mtbmx]

ok which 16yr old can do 360drops? and maybe he doesnt need to compete he is still a good rider. and i dont think he does do steroids why would u bother if you dont race or compete.

[wombat]

Oh dear lord.
Not even he can save us now...
ok is this better. oh tomac is the best i hate berrecloth and we love rennie yeah and lopes rulz i love dh racing all hail squidly didly he is god i am his bitch

-If you want to ask a serious question like this, maybe have a little look around (as in, beyond the latest Specialized ad) to see just who has accomplished what in the past. The "who's tomac?", kind of gave away some credibility; how do you expect to know who's the best if you don't know the greats?
-Think about the question you're asking. If you want to know who the best freerider is, ask "who is the best freerider?". If you ask "who is the best all-round rider?", expect to get answers about people who can race AS WELL as ride off cliffs; you know, people who can do it ALL?
-I know it's old, but a legitimate sentence or two would be nice.

Just what I'd think about myself.

[mtbmx]

ok well maybe i donnt know about he past and thier riders which ruled the scence back in those days. ok yeh i admit to be all round u have to be a racer as well and wen it comes to that id say rennie. maybe i just asked the wrong question anywho continue on now.

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

as for 360 drops by 16 year olds, look around man. Barrecloth only made the trick look good, he did it off some small hucks. Wow big deal, kids who were doing 360's at slow pace off tables or park benches , something 9 out of 10 decent street riders can doi..have learnt to do them off drops.
Take a closer look at the picture of barrecloth, the one you use as your avatar. Check out his veins, the second this shot was passed around everyone said steroids. Obviously if he took steroids he couldn't compete, as I said why do you think he doesn't compete? So why does he take steroids? Anyone see barrecloth ride a few years back? Probably not, to do the stuff he does you need a lot of stregnth, the way he rides is very powerful, roids and other performance enhancers are the way to go for him. How much money do you think he is on?? A hell of a lot, thats for sure, but if he couldn't ride??

meh open your eyes....

[mtbmx]

ok i dont think he is on roids honestly and i dont see many people doing big drops with 360s yeah people can do 360 of becnhes but not 25 foot drops. he has skill and ballss. like 30 foot gap tail whips and massive drops they need balls. yeah a 360 off a big drop could use some strentgh but he is still a good rider. and well are you on roids? :?

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

On a note of the question itself, even if it was "who is the best freerider" I wouldn't choose barrecloth.
Acomplishment is everything, one trick, a couple of videos doens't make you the best, it makes you popular.
I remember people used to say Bender was the best "he jumps off the biggest cliffs, wow"
They are popular fad riders, people love them for a year and then realise they are 'one hit wonders'
anyway.......

I stand by my:

Palmer best in general, what he did for the sport, and how he achieved.
Tomac as an allrounder, always consistant in every field.
Lopes and cullinan.....ruled BMX, ruled the Slalom and achieved soooo much in DH. Also worth mention is Lopes on road bikes..as with Tomac...Lopes did road sprints for a while and kicked a bit of ass.

Rennie and CG are looking to be up at their levels soon...but considering that lopes still pushes the limits whenever he gets the chance..palmer is off doing some random sport and winning it, plus everythign all 4 of them have achieved. Rennie and CG have a long way to go.

[mtbmx]

i totally agree with ure statement on bender. everyones like omg hes sooooooo good cos he hit jaw drop he has just big balls and no skill he never lands anything. i have respect for him but hes pretty shithouse honestly.

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

ok i dont think he is on roids honestly and i dont see many people doing big drops with 360s yeah people can do 360 of becnhes but not 25 foot drops. he has skill and ballss. like 30 foot gap tail whips and massive drops they need balls. yeah a 360 off a big drop could use some strentgh but he is still a good rider. and well are you on roids? :?

dude, think about it. I know you love him and he is your idol. Man just look at his arms in that picture...ever wondered why his veins are the size of orange guns?
Yes, we realised that freeriding requires balls..bender has balls. Dave watson has balls. Seriously wake up and smell the coffee...As I said there are plenty of people doing 360 drops..just not enough movies to show them off. Maybe not 25 foot, but hey it's only a matter of time.

No I'm not on roids, if I was maybe you could stick my picture on your wall and think about me at night?

[mtbmx]

u said "but hey its only a matter of time"

yeh a matter of time before people can do that besides berrecloth which means that berecloth is the head of his game freeriding. dude he is his pretty cool but he aint my idol so get over the fact that he takes roids hey maybe he does geez the whole austrlaian road biking scene do them so who cares and hes not competing anyway so it dont matter.

[naz]

"arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, if you win your still retarded"

[bazza]

i totally agree with ure statement on bender. everyones like omg hes sooooooo good cos he hit jaw drop he has just big balls and no skill he never lands anything. i have respect for him but hes pretty shithouse honestly.

um he was racing the norba series mate. so obviously hes going to have some skills. and im pretty sure he would beat you down a dh track.

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

man at 15 and knows everything. I bet I could find ten other riders who cna do a 360 off a 25 foot drop. There are 16 year olds who could do it off smal drops like 10 feet, hell I have seen a BMXer do a back flip off a ten foot drop to flat. Can barrecloth do that? NO.......

anyway your 15..you know nothing.

[Commander Dilsnikk]

BAHAHAHA...
This started as a good thread!!

Anyway...
Even if you do ask the question of who's the best "freerider" you'd be pretty silly to choose Berrecloth. Sure, the guy has more skill than I'll ever have and what he's doing occasionally pushes the limits. The fact is that just because he's landed a great sponsorship deal and is thus more likely to be known because of the Specialized's advertising budget does not make him a legend.
Berrecloth is one of many who've taken the "freeride" thing and run with it, doing pretty darn well for themselves. They're pretty amazing cyclists (steroids or not) but they're simply following in others' footsteps.
To truly be considered a great in your chosen field you can't just become remarkebly good at something pioneered by others.
If you're going to redefine the question as one about the greatest "freerider" you'd be better served checking out "freeriding's" seminal efforts. I think you'll find that people like Wade Simmons, Dave Watson and others before them have much more right to be considered "great" in their chosen field than anyone you've mentioned.

[Squidly Didly]

I think you'll find that people like Wade Simmons, Dave Watson and others before them have much more right to be considered "great" in their chosen field than anyone you've mentioned.
Why does 'Ride to the Hills' come to mind. Full of the 'greats' :wink:

[Commander Dilsnikk]

Why does 'Ride to the Hills' come to mind. Full of the 'greats' :wink:
Indeed!! :)

[mtb_man]

hell I have seen a BMXer do a back flip off a ten foot drop to flat. Can barrecloth do that? NO.......
While i agree with you about Berrecloth you have to keep in mind the fact that Berrecloth got the cover shot on last months BMX Plus magazine, same year as he got covers on several mtb mags. He rides BMX just as well as most dedicated BMX'ers. Not too many other freeriders can own up to that.

He's not a patch on the greats (Good call on 'Ride to the Hills" squid) but he does have a depth of talent and pretty good interchangability between 20in and mtb's.

Another vote for best all rounder is Dangerous Dan Cowan, not only does he ride, he also builds trails and helps with access issues and mtb advocacy which is more than Palmer ever did...

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

interchangability ay, thats an awesome word.

Yeh Palmer did nothing for the sport. Because Dabngerous Dan is the only one building tracks....or not. Palmer did plenty of work at fuzzy's house. I think that worsk for me.

But palmer only defined downhill, he made it marketable, he inspired tens of thousands ofriders by showing that anyone can come of the couch and do an awesome sport and not have to wear lycra all teh time to do it.

But no I agree, building a few trails is far more important.

[spuddy]

"arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, if you win your still retarded"

So true.

So what if Berrecloth is on steroids? His choice, and he's not winning races by doing it so its not affecting anyone else. Someone else smoked weed once :roll:

[mtb_man]

I just love baiting palmer fans...

I didn't say Dan was the only person making trails, you made that bit up. The trails Dan made/makes are ridden everyday by people like you and me, Fuzzy's house ain't publicly accessable.

Palmer jumped into DH and made it marketable, yes i agree, he was the original rockstar of mountain biking. However his ridiculous asking fee (~$500 000 US) once he knew how good he was, led to big money being sunk into DH race teams in the mid to late 90's. That level of investment wasn't able to be kept up, Palmer realised this early and left the sport for the bigger money world of pro supercross. Other Dh stars were left to deal with teams cutting spots and decreasing salaries. Events lost sponsors and prize money withered.

Yeah i know he wasn't to blame for much of that but he started something and didn't stick with it, that just annoys me a bit. Plenty of other riders stuck out the lean years, why couldn't Palmer?

I agree that Palmer was vital to getting mtb's into mainstream culture and he did have incredible raw talent but I enjoyed mountain biking just as much before he came along as i do now...

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

Yeh all valid points, Palmer still rides though, and to say he didn't stick with the sport is a bit of a far cry. All he wanted was a world cup victory, and after he got that (at 32?) he left the sport for Moto-X to which his goal was qualifying to race world cup...after he did that he moved onto nascar, though I believe he is still racing MX. Either way he gave more to the sport, for me personaly than a lot of riders, I was very much into trials and other stupid types of mountain biking before I saw him at cairns, then I saw chainsmoke and it was all over. I couldn't NOT be a downhill mountain biker.

[24seven]

Where is that specialized ad with berrecloth doing the 360 drop, I can't find it online? I want to see for myself if he looks like hes taking steroids!

[Daver]

what about Juliana Ferdato or Anne Caroline Chausson? Those chicks have been ripping it up for ages. Wasn't Juliana XC/DH/DS champion all at the same time too?

[floody]

what about Juliana Ferdato or Anne Caroline Chausson? Those chicks have been ripping it up for ages. Wasn't Juliana XC/DH/DS champion all at the same time too?

Anne Caro is pretty awesome...But honestly I don't really rate female XC riders much, and Furtado was only winning DH/DS really at a NORBA Level - sadly its like saying one of the Aussie chicks was quick for winning aussie races, theres scarcely a female in the world AC couldn't wallop when the trail turned downward. Juli Furtado would get eaten alive at a DH race now.

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

Giovie (however it's spelt) was/is a pretty decent chick rider..hitting the DH and the DS with style. She even hit the odd XC norba round..

[DJ_Robbie]

Representing the males: Berrecloth and Gracia, both are so versatile
Representing the females: Anne Caro, she has won that many female titles it aint funny and has great style!

[floody]

Giovie (however it's spelt) was/is a pretty decent chick rider..hitting the DH and the DS with style. She even hit the odd XC norba round..

I think Missy Giove did race a fair bit of XC in her early days with Yeti in the early 90's...

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

yeh sounds about right floody, I wonder is she raced XC with her piranah

[mtbmx]

the fact that berrecloht is a pro mtber and and bmxer is quite remarkable that shows that he really is an all rounder i bet if he wanted to he could race downhill he would probly do well as well. but anyway u cant say there are many riders with similar versatility of him and the skill of him. wether he is on steroids or not hes still a sick rider.

[mtb_man]

I think Missy Giove did race a fair bit of XC in her early days with Yeti in the early 90's...

Yeah she continued to race a bit of XC (for training i guess) after she was signed to Cannondale. She and Myles "Dope Tsar" Rockwell used to race in Expert at the Cactus Cup and Norba rounds and used to do well, i.e top ten finishes.

[SS]

[quote=naz]"arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, if you win your still retarded"

So true.
Now that is SHIT funny... very good call "naz"

[Farker]

Palmer: snowboarding, downhill, slalom, moto x, nascar, skateboarding, drag racing and even a touring band.


barrecloth: Well he can do a 360..ummmm he can ride a bmx pretty good. ummm..he uses steroids....umm he has never won a race.

This is the most just of all statements in this whole forum...
nuf said...

[floody]

I think you could probably summarise it to:

Tomac is the best all round MTB'er, perhaps even cyclist.

Palmer is the king when it comes to gravity sports.

Berrecloth is quite possibly king of the street/launch/huck crowd of vidiots.

[Inverted]

Rennie for the home fav

Palmer for his talent in everything he does.
Just on the Palmer issue and the way he left the sport when times were tough. You would have to think with a guy like this earning so much moneyin the past from snowboarding and the lifestyle that he is used too no wonder he went looking for the bucks somewhere else. What positive things he did do was take MTB from a soft image and promoted it to what it is today. This would have to be seen as a step in the right direction for MTB in general. Lets face it anything Palmer does people want to know about including the media, MTB was just another feather in his cap. So in saying that he would have to be the best all rounder the sport of MTB has seen, I think snowboarding would be in the same boat.

Just my opinion though.. :D

[Daver]

How about gracia?

In the French ski team.
Raced BMX for france.
Better hucker than Berreclough
Resident DH porn star...

[mtb_man]

How about schley?

Respected Free skier
Canadian BMX champ
Been hucking longer than Berrecloth
Umm...he was in a spa with a porn star :?

[mtbmx]

berecloths huck at the beggining of nwd4 is massive man u cant say cedric hucks bigger than him, berrecloth goes huge !!!!!

[naz]

berecloths huck at the beggining of nwd4 is massive man u cant say cedric hucks bigger than him, berrecloth goes huge !!!!!

too bad hes a fucken junkie :P

[RaID]

u cant say cedric hucks bigger than him, berrecloth goes huge !!!!!

cedric hucks bigger!!! :roll:

[emp]

Johnny T
hands down god of mtb in the 90's

berecloths huck at the beggining of nwd4 is massive man u cant say cedric hucks bigger than him, berrecloth goes huge !!!!!

Yo mtbmx. Berecloth is a good rider.. but seriously i know bmx boys and mtb boys that are my age and under (18) that are better than him. Being pro means nothing. Means someone spotted him. I know people that should be pro and arnt only because we live in bumpkin land. Face it dude, berecloth is shitehole compared to everyone else out there who is tearing it up.

My alltime greatest rider would be Wade Simmons... They guy has some l337 skills

[Disco]

lol Liam anyone by the name or Rikki Baker by chance? :wink:

Little Mike

[mtbmx]

ok who else can 360 25 foot drops eh WHO name someone and show me a pic or video to prove it

[wombat]

ok who else can 360 25 foot drops eh WHO name someone and show me a pic or video to prove it

Have a read back through this thread, and tell me, what does Berrecloth have going for him OTHER than a 360 drop?? Sure, the guy is a good rider, but so is everyone else who's been mentioned in this thread. You have asked "who is the best allround rider?" and people have listed the achievements of plenty of rides in lots of DIFFERENT areas (Palmer, Tomac, Gracia and Schley were all detailed on the last page). You keep coming back to this SINGLE trick though for Berrecloth. Doesn't that tell you something?

[Ty]

and bikerfox can do front flip endos, i've never seen anyone ever else do front flip endos, bikerfox must be the best rider ever.


go on, google 'bikerfox' you know you want to.

[Stinky]

I think that the Tomac, Lopes Gracia (and Libor) sort of comments are in the right direction. Jason McRoy (RIP) gets it for the one who showed most potential to be up there.

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

barrecloth is better because he rules BMX and mtb freeride?
I just remembered Lopes and cullinan were both world champs in BMX, oh and what about fuzzy hall and todd lions, they rocked freeride and bmx..
ohh and mike meztger..he rides BMX, downhill and moto x He is far far better.
Lets create a rider checklist to see who is best:

Lopes
speed 9/10
bmx/smoothness skills 10/10
xc/road skills 7/10
DH world cup results 9/10
urban skills 7/10
360 drop skills 3/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
Total:54

Palmer
speed 9/10
bmx/smoothness skills 8/10
xc/road skills 2/10
DH world cup results 10/10
urban skills 9/10
360 drop skills 3/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
total:52

Gracia
speed[b/] 10/10
bmx/smoothness skills 7/10
xc/road skills 5/10
DH world cup results 9/10
urban skills 7/10
360 drop skills 4/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
Total:52

Barrecloth
speed: 1/10
bmx/smoothness skills 8/10
xc/road skills 0/10
DH world cup results 0/10
urban skills 6/10
360 drop skills 9/10
no bonus

total: 24

[LTR]

and bikerfox can do front flip endos, i've never seen anyone ever else do front flip endos, bikerfox must be the best rider ever.

go on, google 'bikerfox' you know you want to.

http://www.bikerfox.com/bicycle/flips/images/123.jpg
:shock:

[zac]

i agree with lopes, palmer, gracia, etc., but what about Von Williams? i don't think he races, but from what i've seen of him in movies he is one of the most well rounded riders - trials, street, dj, dh.

also i think cadel might rate a mention, mainly cause he kicked arse on the xc circuit and now kicks arse on the road cicruit. lance armstrong as well, i remember a few years back he entered a couple of xc races and showed everyone else just what a roadie could do.

[Woody]

as for 360 drops by 16 year olds, look around man. Barrecloth only made the trick look good, he did it off some small hucks. Wow big deal, kids who were doing 360's at slow pace off tables or park benches , something 9 out of 10 decent street riders can doi..have learnt to do them off drops.
Take a closer look at the picture of barrecloth, the one you use as your avatar. Check out his veins, the second this shot was passed around everyone said steroids. Obviously if he took steroids he couldn't compete, as I said why do you think he doesn't compete? So why does he take steroids? Anyone see barrecloth ride a few years back? Probably not, to do the stuff he does you need a lot of stregnth, the way he rides is very powerful, roids and other performance enhancers are the way to go for him. How much money do you think he is on?? A hell of a lot, thats for sure, but if he couldn't ride??


meh open your eyes....

Let me just clear a few thing up about steriods, no steriod has the ability to make your strength increase all they do is increase size and aid recovery, i know it sounds strange but thats the way it is, that darren is a hucker, ballsy hucker but so is bender and he cant ride out of sight on a dark night, is he on steriods to. If he is on roids he better change his chemist because they aint working he aint that big, i can introduce you to some boy's on roids if you want, they're f..king huge,darren isn't

[DYJK]

ok who else can 360 25 foot drops eh WHO name someone and show me a pic or video to prove it
DYLAN TREMBLAY
dropin series but not sure what episode...the drop would have been at least 15 feet...

[ajay]

Nicholas Voullioz - Hes a rally driver now! And the most prolific dh winner!

wOO hOO :shock:

[Ryan]

If Berrecloth is the best all-round mtb rider ever I will not only eat my own hat, but the hats of every single member of this forum who cares to donate theirs. I will film this enormous consumption of hats and post it on the frontpage for all to see.

Seriously, if you believe the ability to do a 360 drop makes him the best all-round mtber ever then you sir, ARE SMOKING CRACK. 10 year old kids 360 their BMX's off picnic tables, 2 stair drops, 10 stair drops, whatever. Dylan Tremblay landed a 360 off a 15-20 foot drop in the original dropin series. Landing a 360 drop does not make you the best all-rounder ever, it makes you a pretty good hucker and thats about it.

Just so you know though, the dude who won the Crankworx slopestyle competition last weekend landed a tailwhip off a 15-odd foot drop! OMGWTFBBQ!!!1!! NOW HE IS THE BSET RIDAR EVOR BECOS HE DUN A TAILWHIPS OFF A DORP!!#@#!@! (actually he's not, because I've seen Morgan Wade land a tailwhip off a bigger drop to a sketchier landing on a BMX)

Anyway, I'm done. I vote for Tomac and Vouilloz.

[mtbmx]

barrecloth is better because he rules BMX and mtb freeride?
I just remembered Lopes and cullinan were both world champs in BMX, oh and what about fuzzy hall and todd lions, they rocked freeride and bmx..
ohh and mike meztger..he rides BMX, downhill and moto x He is far far better.
Lets create a rider checklist to see who is best:

Lopes
speed 9/10
bmx/smoothness skills 10/10
xc/road skills 7/10
DH world cup results 9/10
urban skills 7/10
360 drop skills 3/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
Total:54

Palmer
speed 9/10
bmx/smoothness skills 8/10
xc/road skills 2/10
DH world cup results 10/10
urban skills 9/10
360 drop skills 3/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
total:52

Gracia
speed[b/] 10/10
bmx/smoothness skills 7/10
xc/road skills 5/10
DH world cup results 9/10
urban skills 7/10
360 drop skills 4/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
Total:52

Barrecloth
speed: 1/10
bmx/smoothness skills 8/10
xc/road skills 0/10
DH world cup results 0/10
urban skills 6/10
360 drop skills 9/10
no bonus

total: 24

how can you seriously say that cedric gracia has more urban skills then berrecloth. berecloth is a good urban rider and cedric like doesnt even ride urban

[Jordy]

barrecloth is better because he rules BMX and mtb freeride?
I just remembered Lopes and cullinan were both world champs in BMX, oh and what about fuzzy hall and todd lions, they rocked freeride and bmx..
ohh and mike meztger..he rides BMX, downhill and moto x He is far far better.
Lets create a rider checklist to see who is best:

Lopes
speed 9/10
bmx/smoothness skills 10/10
xc/road skills 7/10
DH world cup results 9/10
urban skills 7/10
360 drop skills 3/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
Total:54

Palmer
speed 9/10
bmx/smoothness skills 8/10
xc/road skills 2/10
DH world cup results 10/10
urban skills 9/10
360 drop skills 3/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
total:52

Gracia
speed[b/] 10/10
bmx/smoothness skills 7/10
xc/road skills 5/10
DH world cup results 9/10
urban skills 7/10
360 drop skills 4/10
Added slalom bonus 10 points
Total:52

Barrecloth
speed: 1/10
bmx/smoothness skills 8/10
xc/road skills 0/10
DH world cup results 0/10
urban skills 6/10
360 drop skills 9/10
no bonus

total: 24

how can you seriously say that cedric gracia has more urban skills then berrecloth. berecloth is a good urban rider and cedric like doesnt even ride urban

being able to do a tail stall doesnt make you a good urban rider, Cedric does ride urban you just never see it

[Ty]

how can you seriously say that cedric gracia has more urban skills then berrecloth. berecloth is a good urban rider and cedric like doesnt even ride urban

so you were hanging out with cedric the other day and he was like " oui, that is true, i do not ride the, eerrr, how do you say, Erbon"

honestly dude, wtf would you know.

cedric kills it DHing and 4x, and he won this little freeride event last year called the redbull rampage. if your hero is soo uber rad at hucking drops why didn't he take it out?


also, Van, Edwin, Biz, terrada, osoto, enns, seth kimbrow, all kill big dazza at street. so lets not get ito a street pissing contest.

[chris wilson]

Is it Barrecloth riding or is it the steroids.

[Woody]

he's not on steriods you narrow minded little boy

[Ty]

who cares if he's on the juice ot not, he's not a bloody olympic weigh lifter where being huge is everything, he's a freerider, not really a area where PEDs are required, look at robbie bourdon, he's tiny and throws it down, it's not like you have to be super huge to drop/jump, so why the hell would he bother with PEDs.

if he was going to fail a drug test it wouldn't be the performance enhancing kind.



(but he's still along way from being the best alround rider)

[roasted]

I think Ty just summed it all up in his last few posts.

few more points:

Cameropn zink: 17. pulled a 360 off the 12ft box at whistler during the slopestyle, way cleaner than any of berrecloths sketch 360s, and followed it up with a backflip off the next hit.

Oh and Morgan Wade has done tailwhips off roof drops (about 14 foot) ON A BMX!

[Ty]

Oh and Morgan Wade has done tailwhips off roof drops (about 14 foot) ON A BMX!

yes, yes he did

click to enlarge and stuff

i just took a photo of the magazine spread, sorry for the quality.

[Ryan]

Who the fuck decided Berrecloth was on roids anyway? Did the internet just come to this consensus of it's own free will or something?

Seriously, slandering the guy for being a hucker is one thing, but to accuse him of using roids is going a bit far, at least without something better than a photo of him with veins bulging out to back it up.

I know guys who bodybuild "naturally" (ie they use just about every legal supplement on the market) who are a whole shit-ton bigger than Berrecloth is, that man definitely needs to talk to his pusher if he's juicing it. Plus it just doesn't make sense IMO to use roids, sure they'll help you to bulk up, but they're not going to improve your co-ordination or judgement one iota.

[Rik]

Who the fuck decided Berrecloth was on roids anyway? Did the internet just come to this consensus of it's own free will or something?
Internet speculation is the basis of all fact. How did you not know that?

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

Let me just clear a few thing up about steriods, no steriod has the ability to make your strength increase all they do is increase size and aid recovery, i know it sounds strange but thats the way it is, that darren is a hucker, ballsy hucker but so is bender and he cant ride out of sight on a dark night, is he on steriods to. If he is on roids he better change his chemist because they aint working he aint that big, i can introduce you to some boy's on roids if you want, they're f..king huge,darren isn't

I am basing my theory, from what people who have met him have told me. Judging from his pictures it makes sense to me. Steroids do increase bloodflow, and thus is why I bring up the size of his veins. If you have met him then you could probably understand where I, or at least the people that explained it too me, got their idea's.
It makes sense to me, but it's just an opinion. It's been talked about a lot, and this is actually the first time I have seen it brought up on the internet.
BTW my little rider skills checklist wasn't for real anyway...it was a joke. OK.

[Grip]

Well I'm not ENTIRELY sure.... but I reckon this has become the weakest excuse for a legitimate "debate" I've seen in ages. The original question is nothing more than an invitation for an OPINION guys.... it was not, I'm sure, a request for personalized chest-beating over who's hero has bigger nads, more staying power or the pretiest hair.

And seriously... you can't "win" with a question like that. There is no "winner" in the "who's the best all-rounder stakes" because it comes down to subjective opinion and NOT fact.

And why hasn't anyone mentioned some Joe Nobody in all this, eh? Because some of the best musicians I've ever seen have never been famous... some of the best writing I've read was unpublished and some of the best riding I've ever seen was being done by the Joe Nobodys of this world.

Seriously now... the question was "Who do YOU think is the best all round rider and why?" It didn't mention having to be famous.

So try finishing THIS statement.... "Personally I think the best all-rounder I've ever seen on a bike was....."

[mtbmx]

Oh and Morgan Wade has done tailwhips off roof drops (about 14 foot) ON A BMX!

yes, yes he did

click to enlarge and stuff

i just took a photo of the magazine spread, sorry for the quality.

ok berrecloth sucks, that guy is nuts !!!!!! RESPECT

[DYJK]

Is it Barrecloth riding or is it the steroids.
BWAh hahahahahah
yeah someone back me up on the point that Dylan tremblay did a 360 of a drop in DROP IN

[mtbmx]

dude i saw the dylan tremblay 360 drop it wasnt 15 foot msaybe 7 foot or something it wasnt anything compared to berrecloths drop.

dylan tremblay is still pretty good tho.......

[DYJK]

yeah dylan tremblay landed it a lot smoother than darren. and he is also a way cool street ryder. he also recently won the backyard jam... :)

[chris wilson]

berrecloths 360 drop was like three times as big as Dylans

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

Well since no oen has voted for me, I am going to go and 360 off a 80 foot drop, and land no hands.

[Grip]

Dare I say it?









Yay. :P

[dylma]

yeh mik hannah, 4x and dh, bit of jumps. and then cedric garcia, 4x, dh and freeride. big drops. he kicks in the red bull rampage. does everything

[olsson]

Leech?...

[DYJK]

best freerider??? Leech is a trials rider... :? :? :?

[Grip]

best freerider??? Leech is a trials rider... :? :? :?

The question was best all-rounder, not best freerider. Most of the really top trials guys I've seen over the years generally kick-arse on ANY typs of bike... they're just very good.

[Techno Destructo]

Oh and Morgan Wade has done tailwhips off roof drops (about 14 foot) ON A BMX!

yes, yes he did

click to enlarge and stuff

i just took a photo of the magazine spread, sorry for the quality.

LOL! BMX kills MTB when it comes to just about anything freestyle... why do people even care when a MTB'er does a trick that was "progressive" five years ago on a BMX? Seriously... I don't look to MTB when I want to be amazed by freestyle moves on a bike. I DO look to MTB for sheer size stuff, but anything slightly tech? Why bother with MTB? Except maybe they get some respect for doing it on a bigger bike?

[toodles]

Yeah Steve Marsh kicks arse at trials, races DH, rode the Red Bull rampage and dirt jumps pretty decent as well. Worth a mention anyway especially cos he's Aussie.

[at the drive in]

It is very hard to name a best all round rider because mountain biking has so many areas street XC DH 4X Dirt jumps. Then we can only make an opnion from what we have seen in videos. The downhillers seem to be good at what ever they try.

[chris wilson]

I reckon some of the BMX guys are pretty good etc; Stephen Murray, Tj Lavin

[DYJK]

The question was best all-rounder, not best freerider. Most of the really top trials guys I've seen over the years generally kick-arse on ANY typs of bike... they're just very good.
Yeah my bad...he is probably the best trials rider in the world apart from otpi. yeah anther rider is "Chris Wilson" man he throws it down...huge no footer x ups 360's no footed can cans. I will have to get some footage together of this freak...at 15 years old also a well acompliched trials rider both bike and moto... :) ^^^

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

I'm suprised no one has mentioned shaums march. The guy is amazing. He basically invented freeriding, he can do almost anythign on a massive long travel Dh bike, like urban riding, Djing hucking and race World cup..all on the same bike. He has got some great world cup results and has done SOOOO much for the sport.
He is one of my heros


oh and he once kicked a bouncers ass

[RCOH]

I'm suprised no one has mentioned shaums march. The guy is amazing. He basically invented freeriding, he can do almost anythign on a massive long travel Dh bike, like urban riding, Djing hucking and race World cup..all on the same bike. He has got some great world cup results and has done SOOOO much for the sport.
He is one of my heros


oh and he once kicked a bouncers ass

.
on another note i'll throw the name shums march in for one of the greatest all round riders, i remember watching plush back in 98-99 and seeing him bunny hop to manual a mountain cycles DH rig onto a picknic table, and bust all kinds of crazy 'urban" stuff way before it was cool, that kinda inspired me to look to the streets as a place to ride mtbs.

[DYJK]

WADE SIMMONS he is my hero!!!

[bazza]

yaaa he finally admits defeat!

[S.]

I'm gonna chuck Aaron Chase into the mix - IMO the best street rider (on an MTB), I think he was originally an XC racer, and he now races DH at pro level. Also a very skilled trials rider I believe.

Hard to go past Rennie for sheer power on a bike though, he's freakin nuts.

[wombat]

I'm gonna chuck Aaron Chase into the mix - IMO the best street rider (on an MTB), I think he was originally an XC racer, and he now races DH at pro level. Also a very skilled trials rider I believe.
Can ride BMX to boot.

[bazza]

I'm gonna chuck Aaron Chase into the mix - IMO the best street rider (on an MTB), I think he was originally an XC racer, and he now races DH at pro level. Also a very skilled trials rider I believe.
Can ride BMX to boot.

are there many street riders that cant ride bmx though?? but some of the footage on killing time was nuts. but 'king of the pits' was a good show of what these so called pro dh riders can pull out of there ass when it comes to street. just shows its got a hell of a lot to do with natural skill and how you control a bike. mmmmmmmm i wish i had skill. :(

[bighitter184]

I'm gonna throw down the facts:IMO

John Tomac = The Man with the plan.
Shaun Palmer = The Style king and the reason a lot of us got into the sport
Shaums March = The Original Freerider(some will say wade Simmons But Shaums was at it 11 years ago on a San Adreas Mountain Cycle.)
Missy"Missile"Giove = The coolest and fastest chick licker on a bike.
Brain Lopes = Master of the Hardtail.
Cedric Gracia = The De-Tour de france.
as far as alrounders these Players are the bomb.

Noteable Mentions would be Rennie,Peaty,Minaar,E.C ,waddel and Cowan

[floody]

*snippetysnip*
Seriously now... the question was "Who do YOU think is the best all round rider and why?" It didn't mention having to be famous.

So try finishing THIS statement.... "Personally I think the best all-rounder I've ever seen on a bike was....."

Good call actually , Grip!
Of all the non-celebs, I would vote for the guy who used to wrench on my bike for me in Ballarat. I think he just road races now, but this dude was fast enough on an XC bike to take out some Vic titles, be up there in the nats, on the worlds team for XC at Cairns in Junior...Let alone the fact he also took out a couple of Victorian DH titles before he went full on XC and road, and one state Trials title!
I vividly remember this same dude rocking up to a local state DH round on his parkpre XC training bike (so think skinny tyres, 70mm forks, flat bars, full XC setup), and placing 3rd in Elite DH, despite breaking and losing his chain in the first 1/3rd of the course! He was one of the last 5 or so down, all the elites up till then had run about 2:01 fastest, and some big names of the day in that too, and he came screaming out of the bush on an XC bike with no chain to post 1:58. Oh yeah, he also won the state round XC race in Elite the day before.
This was in the late 90's, but yeah, I was blown out by that, still remember it now.
Some people are just built to ride bikes, both physically and mentally hardwired, I think.

[SER]

Tyler Klassen?

[wombat]

Tyler Klassen?

No.

[DYJK]

Tyler Klassen?

No.
Back that!!!

[bazza]

Some people are just built to ride bikes, both physically and mentally hardwired, I think.


i hate that. damn i wish skill was easier to get. but than again i reakon everyone would benefit from a bit of weight training here and there and some decent cardio exercises. but who can be bothered to do that.

[Benana]

cedric garcia has got da skilz

[floody]

cedric garcia has got da skilz

Who is Cedric Garcia? is he some all-Mexico DH champ or something??

[timduncan]

ARE YOU FOR REAL "floody" :shock: you gotta be kiding.............

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

cedric garcia has got da skilz
then Floody wrote
Who is Cedric Garcia? is he some all-Mexico DH champ or something??
then acid wrote
ARE YOU FOR REAL "floody" you gotta be kiding.............

Read it dude Cedric GARCIA...... G-A-R-C-I-A
not cedric gracia.

Get it?

[bb7 rider]

bazza if you go around thinking people are naturally better than you, you are allready mentally behind the 8 ball before u even start.

[THRILLHOUSE]

John Tomac easy

[timduncan]

:shock: shit sorry

[Jordy]

:shock: shit sorry

thats ok

[mtbmx]

eddie, i could swear it was gracia not garcia!!!!
i might be wrong

tyler klassen just hucks no skill

[wombat]

eddie, i could swear it was gracia not garcia!!!!
i might be wrong

Read it again sunshine.