How do I turn off my cars speed limiting?

[No Skid Marks]

I have a new Toyota Kluger and it's speed limited to 180km/h, how do I turn off the speed limiting?

[parallax]

When you find the NEED to drive at +180kmp/h, call 000 and they'll come around and fix you up good.




btw: If you kill/injure anyone whilst driving like a fucktard, I hope you enjoy your prison sentence.

[shauno]

I wouldnt have any clue, but wouldnt u have to take it to a Toyota Workshop and ask them? they'd be the people to do it.

[spuddy]

ECU upgrade / reprogam.

I HATE to think about the handling of that big POS going +180k....

[Bobo]

i agree its stupid to take it off, im sure its there for a very good reason not only that but if u take it off u can kiss ur warranty good bye

[tu plang]

I wouldnt have any clue, but wouldnt u have to take it to a Toyota Workshop and ask them? they'd be the people to do it.

seeing as they put it there for a good reason, i dont think they are going to look to kindly on you asking them to take it off so you can go and kill someone else. :wink:

[No Skid Marks]

Yeah I know it's stupid to drive at that speed,but I got a new car and I know a three lane elevated peice of road in the middle of nowhere that I was on at about 2 in the morning and I wanted to know how fast my new car would go. I always check out my new cars on this bit of road. It even has a wind sock on it. I've never done my speed testing with anyone else in the car. It doesn't actually handle that bad at the speed limit but it's shit on 4wd tracks going slow. I have to gas it over anything difficult or I think I will fry the auto. Does anyone know what the ect snow button does? does it lock out the diff between front and rear wheels?

[dugfast]

you obviously WANT to die. dont even bother, that limit is there for a reason. to keep people like you from killing themselves.
save it for the race track.

[spuddy]

It even has a wind sock on it.

:!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
Fucking ACE!

[No Skid Marks]

I just had to put the sock in it. Shit I was just technically curious. I don't want to drive at over 180. I was just interested in the technoligy blah blah. Speeding is fucked and I should have packaged my post more inteligently so as not to encorage any young petrolheads.

[Rik]

It's limited for a reason... maybe a limit like the Falcons had, to stop something from self-destructing at those speeds.
Could probably be changed by modding the ECU, anything is possible, but would probably be shitloads of effort.

[Jordy]

Yeah I know it's stupid to drive at that speed,but I got a new car and I know a three lane elevated peice of road in the middle of nowhere that I was on at about 2 in the morning and I wanted to know how fast my new car would go. I always check out my new cars on this bit of road. It even has a wind sock on it. I've never done my speed testing with anyone else in the car. It doesn't actually handle that bad at the speed limit but it's shit on 4wd tracks going slow. I have to gas it over anything difficult or I think I will fry the auto. Does anyone know what the ect snow button does? does it lock out the diff between front and rear wheels?

yep its a diff lock so all wheels spin at the same Rate....if one wheel gets stuck the other will not keep spinning

[Cruz]

Being an all wheel drive soft roader fitted with a fairly basic all wheel drive system I would not think that the whole drive line was designed for much higher speeds than that. Look at the vehicles that use all wheel drive and are designed for high speeds, their drive lines are a lot more complicated than a Kluger. And what is with that name?

[wombat]

I just had to put the sock in it. Shit I was just technically curious. I don't want to drive at over 180. I was just interested in the technoligy blah blah. Speeding is fucked and I should have packaged my post more inteligently so as not to encorage any young petrolheads.

Well to satisfy your curiosity I'm guessing it will be like most speed limiters and will be an ECU based thing, as Spuddy said. Not something that your average service centre is going to be willing (or able) to remove. Best case scenario, you can simply re-program the unit to ignore the limit. Worst case you'll need a completely new aftermarket unit. And lets be serious, who the hell would bother putting out that sort of performance chip for this car (truck).

[wombat]

And what is with that name?

Heh, first thing I think of is Clag glue; I'm guessing thats not what the Toyota marketing dep. had in mind...

[No Skid Marks]

Some other company was using the name they use for it O.S. It's german for smarter or some shit. If you pull the badges off new cars does it leave a hole or are they just double sidded taped on?

[shauno]

I wouldnt have any clue, but wouldnt u have to take it to a Toyota Workshop and ask them? they'd be the people to do it.

seeing as they put it there for a good reason, i dont think they are going to look to kindly on you asking them to take it off so you can go and kill someone else. :wink:
ah. good point!

[Gonzo]

You have to get a new chip or else something called an intercepter chip that goes inbetween your engine and your current chip. You can use it to give you more power as well as remove the speed limiter.

[spuddy]

there is nothing wrong with driving fast

Other than the fact its illegal and dangerous? Lets not have a fight about whether or not the law is right here.

[No Skid Marks]

Is it easy to remove the chip if something went wrong and I wanted warrenty? And would they be able to tell I was using it? How much more power do you think I could milk from it? I can't think of any cheaper ways to get more power from it. Would I get a new pipe or some other shit at the same time and get the computer ajusted(I know this would be irreversible for warrenty)? It's ment to have 174kws at the moment.

[dromana7411]

my mums car has holes for the badges, its a commondor VR, but most of the older cars than tha are doublesided on...

[andrew]

I've never done my speed testing with anyone else in the car.
so what about the people you hit?

[SPOON]

Holy shite 180km in a Kluger. Man are u nuts? trying to push the car to it's absolute potential when it is new is not too gd for the engine. run it in first and take it slow for a while. Then u might like to push it a bit. Besides that....its reli dangerous and what if u crashed! 180km impact doesn't look too gd in my opinion.
Anyhow back to ur question u could do it by buying one of those computer chip which enables u to reprogram ur engine. I think that was said before. hmm anyhow i thought u'd like to know (if u didn't already know) there's a rev limiter aswell and it is possible to change it......just thought one day while u've gone mad u might like to rev the bolts off ur kluger, while doing 180+ :wink:

[S.]

To all you speeding-is-deadly people, here's a fact for you:
Speed doesn't kill. Crashing kills. Crashing is not necessarily caused by high speed.

There, it really is that simple. Get over the "OMGZ0R its so illegal i hope you die in prison" shit, how many people here knew that NSW used to have NO speed limit on country roads? That's right, it was open slather... OMG HOMICIDAL MANIACS ARE DRIVING AT MORE THAN THE SPEED LIMIT!!!11

Has it occurred to you that it's a mighty big coincidence that the maximum safe speed on any open road/highway is 100km/h, regardless of the car you're in, the weather conditions, and the fact that all roads are different?

Italy has a speed limit of 150km/h on its freeways/highways, Germany as we all know has no limits on the Autobahn, NT has no limits on its rural roads, etc etc.

For everyone who thinks that breaking the speed limit is such a big deal, how would you like to be subjected to strictly enforced speed limits of 15km/h whenever you're mtbing, even on the most wide open trails, and totally ignoring the fact that you're a skilled rider on a high-performance bike with superb handling, powerful brakes, and grippy tyres?

And besides that - what IF you crashed at 180km/h? What if you crashed at 80km/h? Either way you could easily get killed - as I said, speed isn't the direct cause of death, it's simply the most tangible and easily enforced POTENTIAL factor that the government can restrict.

[S.]

there is nothing wrong with driving fast

Other than the fact its illegal and dangerous? Lets not have a fight about whether or not the law is right here.

Fact that it's dangerous? I'd love to see you prove that one.

[fatkat]

can the kluger even get to 180km/h?
anyway, only way to remove the speed limiter is to do with the ECU, and that voids your warrenty. With the kluger having the aerodynamics of a shoebox i wouldnt want to get to that speed anyway!

[junior]

can the kluger even get to 180km/h?
anyway, only way to remove the speed limiter is to do with the ECU, and that voids your warrenty. With the kluger having the aerodynamics of a shoebox i wouldnt want to get to that speed anyway!


BBBBAAAAHHHHAAAAAA that wat i was thinking :lol:

[j5ive]

High performance car
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All in this magical place without a speed limit.

Doesnt matter what the car, or conditions are like- speed in the wrong hands IS a killer.

[Grip]

How do I turn off my cars speed limiting?

Get out and let someone else drive.

[Ty]

if you really wanna go strap your car around sign up for a performance driving course, you'll probably never go over 120 but it's hella fun and you'll actually come out of it a better driver with a heap of experience that you'd never get on the open road.

and you can do it without the fear of killing someone and having your license suspended for a very long time.


while your there enquire about getting a CAMs ticket/licence, costs a bit but once you get it you can get out on the track and drive properly at speed, any goose can pin the accelerator to the firewall and go 200 but throw some corners in and it's alot more fun.

[Cruz]

How do I turn off my cars speed limiting?

Get out and let someone else drive.

Other way would be with a brain transplant.

[parallax]

my mums car has holes for the badges, its a commondor VR, but most of the older cars than tha are doublesided on...
Speed Holes?? :lol:

[No Skid Marks]

It would be shit on a race track. Okay I get the point, you can shut up now Mum n Dad. Your reading all sorts of shit into this that you want to, but it's irrelivant. I just wanted to know how fast my car went so I pinned it in a straight line on a safe road where only I was at risk. Mtn bikes are risky, wooo I better stop riding. Get of ya soap boxes biatches. I just asked a simple technical question for a simple answer not a lecture.

[S.]

Doesnt matter what the car, or conditions are like- speed in the wrong hands IS a killer.

No, crashing is a killer. Speed and crashing are not necessarily related - especially if you're just pinning it in a straight line as NSM stated.

[McBain]

there is nothing wrong with driving fastOther than the fact its illegal and dangerous? Lets not have a fight about whether or not the law is right here.Fact that it's dangerous? I'd love to see you prove that one.Simple - driving is dangerous (thousands of people die on the roads each year), therefore driving fast is dangerous.

But we all know you'll squirm around those words to debate that point too.

[S.]

there is nothing wrong with driving fastOther than the fact its illegal and dangerous? Lets not have a fight about whether or not the law is right here.Fact that it's dangerous? I'd love to see you prove that one.Simple - driving is dangerous (thousands of people die on the roads each year), therefore driving fast is dangerous.

But we all know you'll squirm around those words to debate that point too.

Of course. By definition, life itself is the most dangerous thing known to man - because we all end up dead after living it. Yet you still seem to be doing it, despite the OVERWHELMING DANGER!!!!11

People also die slipping over in the bathtub, changing light bulbs, swimming at the local pool, etc etc, yet none of these things are considered "dangerous" - why's that? Because nobody has yet invented a way to tangibly measure just HOW dangerous it is, whereas with cars they can easily (but not necessarily correctly) claim that speed is directly proportional to danger. Going faster certainly doesn't make driving any safer (because if you hit something at a higher speed, obviously it's going to be worse than hitting it at a lower speed - but it's not hard to get killed hitting something at 60km/h either), but I'm yet to see any conclusive proof that speed alone is directly proportional to danger. Dickheads trying to show off by going fast AND driving out of control doesn't demonstrate that the speed factor alone is the direct cause of crashing and/or dying.

[Malfuctioning Eddie]

Driving fast is illegal and dangerous, that's why we have car racing and no speed limit zones.

[j5ive]

Socket-

How long does a car doing 50ks take to stop?
Hows about a car doing 180ks?

Thats all the proof you need man. Increased speed means HARDER fucking crash. simple.

Its all about the increased chance of fucking yourself up because your going faster. Sure you could race a DH race without a helmet and probably be fine at the bottom. But fuck that.

Why expose yourself to the added danger in a car not designed to go that fast? Even in a kick arse car- if you don't know what your doing. its just plain stupid.

[S.]

Socket-

How long does a car doing 50ks take to stop?
Hows about a car doing 180ks?

Thats all the proof you need man. Increased speed means HARDER fucking crash. simple.

Its all about the increased chance of fucking yourself up because your going faster. Sure you could race a DH race without a helmet and probably be fine at the bottom. But fuck that.

Why expose yourself to the added danger in a car not designed to go that fast? Even in a kick arse car- if you don't know what your doing. its just plain stupid.

And if you pick a place (and time) where you know with 99.9999% certainty that you're not going to need to stop suddenly, why does it matter? Yes you hit harder at higher speed, that's IF you crash - on a straight, wide, open road with no traffic, realistically what is the danger? There is definitely inappropriate speed for any given situation, but IMO that rarely coincides with the legal speed limit. It's pretty dumb to be doing 150km/h through suburban streets because there are hundreds, maybe thousands of things that could suddenly appear in front of you. It's not quite the same on a road where that ISN'T going to happen. Yeah there's always some rediculously remote danger like an animal jumping out in front of you, but that's highly unlikely.

[Dhfactory]

chip it, then u can remove the speed limiter.

I just got a stand alone computer for my car, and i have raised the redline to 7000, 300km/h no worries. Just need to find a safe place to test it.

-Sean

[S.]

chip it, then u can remove the speed limiter.

I just got a stand alone computer for my car, and i have raised the redline to 7000, 300km/h no worries. Just need to find a safe place to test it.

-Sean

What car? Sounds pretty sick!

[Dhfactory]

speed in the wrong hands IS a killer

Don't worry i agree.

-Sean

[j5ive]

And if you pick a place (and time) where you know with 99.9999% certainty that you're not going to need to stop suddenly

No such place exists with such a slim chance. Except for perhaps a race track.

[S.]

And if you pick a place (and time) where you know with 99.9999% certainty that you're not going to need to stop suddenly

No such place exists with such a slim chance. Except for perhaps a race track.

I would say you have at least a 99.5% chance of not having to stop suddenly on any rural stretch of open highway, particularly in the middle of the night. Think about it, if you drove up a stretch of highway 200 times, do you think you'd have to come to a screeching halt more than once out of all those times? It's something that neither of us can prove, but I'd be pretty damn sure the statistics ARE actually something like that.

Edit: I estimate that I would have spent ~4-500 hours on country highways during my life, and I can think of only one occasion (which means there's probably another 2 or 3 that I don't remember) where we had to stop suddenly - and the one I can remember was on the Geelong road (during roadworks) when the traffic was fairly packed (not the typical kind of time you'd choose to hit 200km/h) and we were doing about 60km/h.

Edit 2: I don't condone driving dangerously (duh) - I just think that the emphasis placed on speed is hugely exaggerated.

[shmity]

I think untill you own a car that you drive on a regular basis, you cant really comment on what is and isn't dagerous to do in a car steve.

[hazman]

I think I get where Socket is coming from. Speed is certainly a major component of the cause of accidents, but i do believe the emphasis on it is far to strongly weighted, the Government will promote statistics to prove that Speed is the determining factor in accidents, but this allows them to impose ridiculous speed limits. The main cause of accidents in my opinion is drivers who are unskilled, incompetent, inattentive or just plain cock-ups of evolution. I believe EVERY driver should be required to resit their licence EVERY year. People do not realise a driver's licence is not rite, but a privilege. Highway speed limits are ridiculously low, a reliable car on a decent road surface can safely travel at speeds above 110km/h, the problem is shithouse cars on the road (like mine) and pooor road surfaces. (Sorry about the long post)

[matty_2004]

Speeding multiplys the chance of you crashing, yes it is only a chance, but why turn the odds of living against yourself?

Wipe off 5. . .

[No Skid Marks]

I did it on an elevated road(bascically a real long bridge) so it was even safer than a race track. Yes you can argue that but you don't know where I was so you will just be guessing and waisting more space.
Does anyone have any simple hot up mods I can do to my Klugger? No I don't mean chuck a match on it smartarse(whoever you are).
It would be the safest place I know of to hit 300km/h if you want to pm me for details. I'm not encoraging anyone but if he's gonna do it he might aswell have a look at where I mean.

[spuddy]

chip it, then u can remove the speed limiter.

I just got a stand alone computer for my car, and i have raised the redline to 7000, 300km/h no worries. Just need to find a safe place to test it.

-Sean

As S said, wtf? What car are you driving?

[wombat]

I did it on an elevated road(bascically a real long bridge) so it was even safer than a race track. Yes you can argue that but you don't know where I was so you will just be guessing and waisting more space.
I don't believe in the whole "speed is the root of all evil" angle, but that statement is stupid. Safer than a race track?? So I guess you have lots of run-off? A quardoned off area stopping public access? Marshalls alerting you of anything that's gone wrong? Fire and ambo crews on standby? There's a lot more to safety than the road surface.

[spuddy]

I would say you have at least a 99.5% chance of not having to stop suddenly on any rural stretch of open highway, particularly in the middle of the night.

Ever lived somewhere with kangaroos? I realise you said open highway.... but imagine hitting a roo @ 200k+ :shock:

[S.]

I would say you have at least a 99.5% chance of not having to stop suddenly on any rural stretch of open highway, particularly in the middle of the night.

Ever lived somewhere with kangaroos? I realise you said open highway.... but imagine hitting a roo @ 200k+ :shock:

Yep, it's possible. It's also possible that a tree could fall over directly in front of you, or that a car could have stopped in the middle of the road with paint exactly matching the road/sky/horizon, etc etc ;)

(the chances are still fairly small is what I'm trying to say)

[S.]

Speeding multiplys the chance of you crashing, yes it is only a chance, but why turn the odds of living against yourself?

Wipe off 5. . .

Wipe off 5 and save a life.... or don't be thrifty, speed up fifty.

Why not drive at 20km/h on the freeway instead of 100/110km/h then? It's sooo much safer...

Oh and wasn't it you who was (obviously falsely) claiming to have been going 185km/h with somebody else a while back (and got caught by the cops and got let off)? Got hypocrisy?

[S.]

I think untill you own a car that you drive on a regular basis, you cant really comment on what is and isn't dagerous to do in a car steve.

I think that until you know exactly what I know, you should refrain from commenting on what I do or don't know.

[spuddy]

....or that a car could have stopped in the middle of the road with paint exactly matching the road/sky/horizon, etc etc ;)

(the chances are still fairly small is what I'm trying to say)

Now that would be cool.

[FuTAnT]

Yeah I know it's stupid to drive at that speed,but I got a new car and I know a three lane elevated peice of road in the middle of nowhere that I was on at about 2 in the morning and I wanted to know how fast my new car would go. I always check out my new cars on this bit of road. It even has a wind sock on it. I've never done my speed testing with anyone else in the car. It doesn't actually handle that bad at the speed limit but it's shit on 4wd tracks going slow. I have to gas it over anything difficult or I think I will fry the auto. Does anyone know what the ect snow button does? does it lock out the diff between front and rear wheels?

You didn't think to ask the dealer or consult the manual before you asked this question?

[No Skid Marks]

Safer than a race track because of no possible animals. No run off but hard railings. Sounds bad yes bat at 200 skimming along a railing is arguably safer than flipping in some open runnoff or clearing the runoff then hitting a saftey wall. You don't know where I am talking about so stop comparing it to some imaginary perfectly safe racetrack. And you could quite possibly have people watching for safety if you were that paranoid. You could even do a bodgie ambo call. Know I wouldn't do the ambo thing so don't start on the taking them from a serious accident speil.

[spuddy]

You don't know where I am talking about x 100000

Well, tell us where, we'll all fly out there and a have a look, then make subjective decisions on what we write. :roll:

[No Skid Marks]

Is it foolish to post where it is. I don't want to cop a wrath if some young tool takes his pre 80s shitter there and it self destructs. And the cops often wait at the end of the straight for speeders so I don't wanna get hassled for that either.

[cheese]

Cheap mods for your car? You could go get some seat covers and vinyl paint, take off some interior panels and give them a spray.

[McBain]

Safer than a race track because of no possible animals.I call bullshit - they could have run/jumped onto the road before the bridge and found their way down there. Unlikely, but you said not possible. :wink:You don't know where I am talking about so stop comparing it to some imaginary perfectly safe racetrack.You were the one comparing it to a racetrack to start with.

[curtisrider]

Speed doesn't kill. Crashing kills

But speed increases your risk of crashing therefore increasing your risk of being killed. :wink:

[S.]

Speed doesn't kill. Crashing kills

But speed increases your risk of crashing therefore increasing your risk of being killed. :wink:

Depends where and how you do it... I think appropriate speed is the key thing here. You obviously can't do 200km/h through suburban streets, but you can do it pretty safely across the Nullabor (or whatever - I haven't been across the Nullabor but you get the drift).

[No Skid Marks]

Just shut the fuk up. Mcbain eat your own bullshit. It's down a slight hill so you can see miles in front so No chance of any animals. I just wanted simple help about a car question. I didn't ask for every fascist out there to tell me how I should drive. Start your own speed kills fukin geek thread.

[spuddy]

I just wanted simple help about a car question. I didn't ask for every fascist out there to tell me how I should drive. Start your own speed kills fukin geek thread.

And i told you at post number 3, out of 60-odd. Get your ECU modded or replaced. Now can we have this shit locked please?

[No Skid Marks]

Yes your right I shouldn't have got involved in this shit after that. Sorry.

[McBain]

Just shut the fuk up. Mcbain eat your own bullshit.Wibble wibble wibble - start a thread about something farkin stupid, expect it to continue farkin stupid. I reckon S. was on to something trying to inject some logic into it, even if no one likes his point :) Just a pity there isn't enough logic around here to find the way out of a paperbag.It's down a slight hill so you can see miles in front so No chance of any animals.Keep justifying it to yourself.Start your own speed kills fukin geek thread.Waa waa, people are picking on me, I'm taking my bat and ball and calling mummy.

[dugfast]

To all you speeding-is-deadly people, here's a fact for you:
Speed doesn't kill. Crashing kills. Crashing is not necessarily caused by high speed.

But speed leads to crashing because handling decreases rapidly as speed goes up, so crashes do happen no matter what speed, but a greater speed, 180 for example, is going to totally up the chances of a crash.

If you are moving at 180 km/h, things are moving past you at double the speed at 90 km/h, although your reaction time stays the same. This means you would have traveled double the distance trying to swerve away from an object, etc. Speed increases the chance of an accident dramatically, thats the point. theres no way around the fact, no way of saying 'its ok to speed and i'm not running a greater risk', and no way about making stupid analogies about bikes to try to justify that speeding isnt extremely dangerous.

[wombat]

But at the same time, trying to suggest that speed alone is responsible for accidents is also silly. It's an easy scapegoat, and allows the authorities to skirt around the real issue: driver training.
I've written off a car, I hadn't had my license for long, and guess what? It wasn't because I was speeding, I simply fucked up. I was tired, the condidtions were pretty bad (yes, I had dropped my speed quite a bit from normal pace). If I had been a better, more aware driver at the time it probably wouldn't have happened.
I'm not going to deny that speeding can be bloody stupid and in a lot of cases drastically increase the risk of an accident, but the "speed kills, forget about the other problems" argument doesn't wash with me.

[Dhfactory]

No Skid Marks, me and my mates, use CB radio's.

Make sure a piece of road is clear for a few km's, they drive it and make sure it's good to go. Pass the OK through the radio and i give my car some stick.

* No chance of getting caught by cops.
* No chance of hitting another car.
* Divided road.
* Chance of killing myself not greatly increased.
* Good run and rush pushing your car to limits.
* Germans get to to this everyday with out all the hassle and have less crashes than us.



Fatal crashes aren't just caused by speed. they often involve.

* More than 1 vehicle (not going to happen in my situation)
* Low or bad light/ Night time, good time for animals too. (also not going happen to me)
* Crappy cars (not my problem)
* Shitty drivers
* Falling asleep on long trips
* Alcohol
* Inexperience
* Distractions, other people in the car and things. not being focused on driving.


All i'm saying is that everything is dangerous, but when planned, things like this aren't as dangerous and riding your bike down to the shops.

Live everyday like it's the last.

-Sean

[dick]

Yeah I know it's stupid to drive at that speed,but I got a new car and I know a three lane elevated peice of road in the middle of nowhere that I was on at about 2 in the morning and I wanted to know how fast my new car would go. I always check out my new cars on this bit of road. It even has a wind sock on it. I've never done my speed testing with anyone else in the car. It doesn't actually handle that bad at the speed limit but it's shit on 4wd tracks going slow. I have to gas it over anything difficult or I think I will fry the auto. Does anyone know what the ect snow button does? does it lock out the diff between front and rear wheels?

yep its a diff lock so all wheels spin at the same Rate....if one wheel gets stuck the other will not keep spinning

yeah except you cant get stock cars that have full diff locks.

the diff locks in most 4wds only lock the front and back axles together. so the front axle is moving at the same speed as the back. it doesnt meant all the wheels are going at the same speed.

are you sure the kluger even has a difflock??
the snow mode probably only keeps the car out of 1st gear, thus minimising wheel spin when you start.

edit: i just realised this post was completely irrelevant now.

[matty_2004]

Speeding multiplys the chance of you crashing, yes it is only a chance, but why turn the odds of living against yourself?

Wipe off 5. . .

Wipe off 5 and save a life.... or don't be thrifty, speed up fifty.

Why not drive at 20km/h on the freeway instead of 100/110km/h then? It's sooo much safer...

Oh and wasn't it you who was (obviously falsely) claiming to have been going 185km/h with somebody else a while back (and got caught by the cops and got let off)? Got hypocrisy?

I never said i didn't enjoy speed . . .but it does make things more dangerous - btw, my cousin and his mate were the cops that pulled us over.

[Mason]

Open the engine, there is something called a "governer", take it off

[toodles]

Ok now I'm as keen for a bit of speeding as any male I know so don't go thinking I'm some safety nanna whining about speed kills, blah, blah, blah. NoSkidMarks - not having a go at you about speeding but more about a bit of precaution. Be careful mate. Anyway...


And if you pick a place (and time) where you know with 99.9999% certainty that you're not going to need to stop suddenly, why does it matter? Yes you hit harder at higher speed, that's IF you crash - on a straight, wide, open road with no traffic, realistically what is the danger? There is definitely inappropriate speed for any given situation, but IMO that rarely coincides with the legal speed limit. It's pretty dumb to be doing 150km/h through suburban streets because there are hundreds, maybe thousands of things that could suddenly appear in front of you. It's not quite the same on a road where that ISN'T going to happen. Yeah there's always some rediculously remote danger like an animal jumping out in front of you, but that's highly unlikely.

You do realise that tires are SPEED RATED don't you? Of course you thought about that first didn't you? You will fucking disintegrate the tyres on a Kluger running them at 200kph+

You had better stop and fuckin think about using an appropriate vehicle for what you are doing. Any number of appropriately specced sports cars or muscle cars will do fine handling at speeds ~250kph, better so than most family cars at 100kph. But a freakin SUV will have tyres designed for minor off-road use which will give them an even lower speed rating than the shit specced on most family cars. Want proof speed is dangerous - that's easy S. and you should know that. Straight away, it will never, ever be safer. Then add the hugely increased chance of mechanical failure a car has when gyroscopic and centrifugal forces placed on the driveline tear it to pieces and you've instantly got the X% added risk needed to say it's more dangerous. How much more dangerous is the moot point but there you go.

Anyway, if this road is as ideal as N.S.M. says it is then go for it. It really is his call on what he does as long as he doesn't hurt anyone else. Any performance car shop will have the leads and software require to dump an ECU programme and remove the limiter setpoint or change it to 300kph or whatever. If it is controlled by firmware you'll need a new chip or EEPROM which may or may not be avilable for the Kluger at this point. Enquire around, and check the usual websites as it might be available through overseas mail-order and can be fitted by a competent mechanic.

[cam-o]

If you do decide to get the Kluger derestricted, make sure you check out the tyres too. Being a soft roader I'd take a punt that the tyres specced on it are not rated for very high speeds. Having a delamination at 180+ would be a very bad thing.

[Griz]

Why didint u just get a sports car or high performance car!
:lol:

Think the old toyota might fall apart if it his 120 at least!

[projectsplat]

If you do decide to get the Kluger derestricted, make sure you check out the tyres too. Being a soft roader I'd take a punt that the tyres specced on it are not rated for very high speeds. Having a delamination at 180+ would be a very bad thing.

Good call. A friend of mine has his landcruiser recalled a few months after he bought it because "the walls of the tyres weakened at 165km/h". The Toyota guys said that they had had a few incidents in the Petrol model that had caused the recall. They also would not tell him what the top speed of it was.

Cheers

Al

[Rik]

Open the engine, there is something called a "governer", take it off
Ahahah what the hell? It's not a steam train... mechanical governers are a thing of the past.

The comment about the drivetrain at 180km/h+ is what I reffered to with the Falcons speed limiter they had a few years back. At high speeds, the tailshaft would viabrate harmonically and shatter :shock:

[scblack]

How many people who are bitching at No Skid Marks can honestly say that they have never done any speeding? I'd say a fair bit of hypocrisy in here - all the wet nurses in here should shut up and give him a break. Just lighten up.

N.S.M. - have a look at www.airpowersystems.com.au/unichip/unichip.htm - chipping of 4WD's is actually pretty common, mainly with turbo models. Also, with your chip, some are hardwired in place, some just clip in -a dealer of these things would know what the Kluger has. It does not necessarily mean you will lose your warranty in full either - the engine would probably be unwarranted, but the rest of the vehicle is going to be covered.

The tyres - a speed rating is just that - a rating. It does NOT mean that if you go over that speed the tyre will blow up or delaminate or whatever. It is not recommended of course, but that's all. In any case a car like the Kluger is more road oriented than dirt, so has tyres that are basically a passenger car tyres, they are not exactly mud tyres.

N.S.M. - we'll have to have a little drag race some time - my Ford Escape V6 is pretty similar to your Kluger. Wonder how much bitching that creates?

[6UL DV8]

Yes I agree, speeding as a rule is dumb and should not be encoraged on a youthful web site, but give it a rest you guy's, he has explained how safe it was and why he did it, and it was only him at risk. I'm sure alot of you argumentores have done more dangerous things with people in your cars.

[Rik]

How many people who are bitching at No Skid Marks can honestly say that they have never done any speeding? I'd say a fair bit of hypocrisy in here - all the wet nurses in here should shut up and give him a break. Just lighten up.
Heh, there is a big difference between 5-10km/h over the limit, and almost double the limit.

[Blue Balls]

wake up. Depends on the sercumstances as far as safety is concerned. Or is the government alway's right. Speed limits are worked out on the worst possible senario so 180 on a straight stretch blah blah again is a lot safer than 5 or 10 over in a school zone at 3oclock.
But I guess you where just genralising.

[spuddy]

wake up. Depends on the sercumstances as far as safety is concerned. Or is the government alway's right. Speed limits are worked out on the worst possible senario so 180 on a straight stretch blah blah again is a lot safer than 5 or 10 over in a school zone at 3oclock.
But I guess you where just genralising.

45 vs 80 in a school zone.
115 vs 220 on a freeway.

To be double the limit anywhere is stupid. As for +5k anywhere, the decision is up to you.

[Rik]

But I guess you where just genralising.
Yes...
Because I see it all the time, as soon as someone mentions speeding, the defensive fight with "tell me you've never gone over the limit".
But it's all about appropriate speeding, as you've said with your examples.

In this instance, I don't think the conditions are the danger, it's the vehicle that'll cause the problems first :x

[S.]

To all you speeding-is-deadly people, here's a fact for you:
Speed doesn't kill. Crashing kills. Crashing is not necessarily caused by high speed.

But speed leads to crashing because handling decreases rapidly as speed goes up, so crashes do happen no matter what speed, but a greater speed, 180 for example, is going to totally up the chances of a crash.

If you are moving at 180 km/h, things are moving past you at double the speed at 90 km/h, although your reaction time stays the same. This means you would have traveled double the distance trying to swerve away from an object, etc. Speed increases the chance of an accident dramatically, thats the point. theres no way around the fact, no way of saying 'its ok to speed and i'm not running a greater risk', and no way about making stupid analogies about bikes to try to justify that speeding isnt extremely dangerous.

Yeah if you're trying to negotiate turns at double the speed limit, you might find handling dynamics causing you a big problem. In a straight line, MOST cars (ie not complete shitpieces) are reasonably stable. The risk of crashing is rarely going to increase directly proportional to the speed, because most people will cruise along the highway at 100km/h with their mind half on something else - but who does that at 200km/h? You keep your mind on the road, and this generally leads to an improvement in reaction times (simply because you're paying full attention to driving, not to talking/eating/watching the countryside etc), and generally speeds like that are reached only briefly - not held for the duration of hours, or even minutes.

You know why Italy INCREASED their speed limits from 100 (I think) to 150? Because the increased concentration led to a DECREASE in crashes. Holy shit, increased speed is SO dangerous that it can actually warp quantum physics and cause LESS crashes! Or there's the less likely possibility that speed and danger are not so directly related as some people like to purport.

[S.]

And if you pick a place (and time) where you know with 99.9999% certainty that you're not going to need to stop suddenly, why does it matter? Yes you hit harder at higher speed, that's IF you crash - on a straight, wide, open road with no traffic, realistically what is the danger? There is definitely inappropriate speed for any given situation, but IMO that rarely coincides with the legal speed limit. It's pretty dumb to be doing 150km/h through suburban streets because there are hundreds, maybe thousands of things that could suddenly appear in front of you. It's not quite the same on a road where that ISN'T going to happen. Yeah there's always some rediculously remote danger like an animal jumping out in front of you, but that's highly unlikely.

You do realise that tires are SPEED RATED don't you? Of course you thought about that first didn't you? You will fucking disintegrate the tyres on a Kluger running them at 200kph+

You had better stop and fuckin think about using an appropriate vehicle for what you are doing. Any number of appropriately specced sports cars or muscle cars will do fine handling at speeds ~250kph, better so than most family cars at 100kph. But a freakin SUV will have tyres designed for minor off-road use which will give them an even lower speed rating than the shit specced on most family cars. Want proof speed is dangerous - that's easy S. and you should know that. Straight away, it will never, ever be safer. Then add the hugely increased chance of mechanical failure a car has when gyroscopic and centrifugal forces placed on the driveline tear it to pieces and you've instantly got the X% added risk needed to say it's more dangerous. How much more dangerous is the moot point but there you go.

My mistake. I thought that anyone capable of reading would notice and/or realise that I didn't advocate driving an unsafe car/equipment for the conditions it was to be used in (eg using a Landcruiser for track days). Clearly I was wrong, so here it is: make sure what you're using is capable of not shitting itself under the conditions you intend to use it. I should have realised that maybe someone would consider trying to go flat stick in a car without any precautionary checks whatsoever, but then again I didn't mention that you also should wear a seatbelt, but nobody's cracked the shits there yet. Oh I also forgot to mention that you should make sure that your steering wheel is in some way connected to the front wheels, allowing some form of steering. Crack that whip!

Higher speed is rarely safer (except when you go to really low speeds, at which point mathematical correlations don't apply), you're right. But as you also implied, how much more dangerous it is, is dependent on ALL the variables that factor into risk (as far as driving go), which are not necessarily to do with speed! If you're doing 100km/h and not paying much attention to what you're doing (as a lot of people do on long highway trips), compared to doing 200km/h with your full attention on the road, poised to take action in case something goes wrong, are you really in significantly more danger? I don't think so, but apparently not everyone agrees.

[kalem]

S. totally owned you beeyatch's.

[kalem]

but really you should all shut up, S. that means you, you crazy fuckin dork.

[toodles]

My mistake. I thought that anyone capable of reading would notice and/or realise that I didn't advocate driving an unsafe car/equipment for the conditions it was to be used in (eg using a Landcruiser for track days).

In a thread about taking a Kluger over 200kph? That's the weakest argument I've heard from you yet S.

You usually do better dude.

[No Skid Marks]

Have you even seen a Kluger dude? It aint no 4WD.

[sockman]

honestly who the fark wants to go 180+ in a 4wd theyre top heavy so if ya turn ur gunna roll and isnt 180 kms fAST ENUFF?!?!?!?!

[Blue Balls]

For God's sake(and mine) you have all made your points and on rounding it all up, Speeding is stupid both N.S.M and S agree, it should not be encoraged. But both of them have put sound logical arguments to justify what they do. And if you keep baiting them you are just going to undo any anti speeding argument you have to discorage young drivers. If you are not just trying to discorage young drivers and you beleeve the shit your preeching then pull your heads from your asses. N.S.M has just spent a small fortune on that car, of cause he want's to know how fast it goes.

[Grip]

N.S.M has just spent a small fortune on that car, of cause he want's to know how fast it goes.

And what better way to find out than post on a MOUNTAINBIKE FORUM!