cheapest m4's

[bazza]

has anyone recently ordered a set of m4's at a really cheap price? or know of anyone doing new m4's dirt cheap. looking for 200mm IS front and 200mm rear. either that or the cheapest set of xts available. had a look at jensonusa and that worked out around about 600. would love to know if anyone can do them cheaper. thanks heaps.

[tu plang]

id be surprised if u ca find XTs on an OS site, believe me ive searched more sites in the last month then google does in a year... well not quite but ive been looking hard.

first saga, supergo had xts for 120 AND END, came to 370 shipped for a set. after lots of discussion with them via email regarding postage and payment via mail order etc... i said i would be mailing my order the next day... well they didnt goto the trouble of telling me they had very little stock left, by the time my check arrived they were all gone :|.

so i then go for chain reactions who had them for a bit more, come to around 450, no shipping as ride guys mum was gonna brng them back, by the time i get my check from supergo, chain reactions have none left. never the less the check is has a 20 day clearing period :shock:.

just needed to get that off my chest... sorry guys :P

yeah... basically go with the m4s, u wont find xts.

[mike&nat]

yeh i wanna try a pair of 03 hope M4s instead of my XTs but they are hard to find i think

[tu plang]

ooooow, shotgun ur xts.

[drewandmel]

yep know the feeling, I also did loads of searching to no avail ended up buying 2nd hand set (xt's) from here (off bighitter)and am stoked I did as there becoming harder and harder to find.

[tu plang]

yep know the feeling, I also did loads of searching to no avail ended up buying 2nd hand set (xt's) from here (off bighitter)and am stoked I did as there becoming harder and harder to find.

yeah, im checking the for sale section heaps now, dh_mtb put up a set a few weeks ago and they went in days, exactly what i was after too. :(

if ur thinking of selling mike&nat, u pm me first, capiché?

[mike&nat]

yeh i pmed you but i would need a highish price cause M4s are alot even 2nd hand

[No Skid Marks]

I think you will find that $600 is less than cost price here in Aus. For M4s anyway.

[Gripper]

Just got a new pair from the USA the other day.

It took my supplier 2 weeks to track down what I wanted due to Hope USA running low/out on stocks of what maybe a discontinued item.

You may want to look at a few UK (where they were made) dealers as it would seem that they have some M4's instock. Hopes website does not list the M4 brake anymore, just the new Mono's

As far as Aus price goes I was quoted $1100 for a pair recently by a Sydney shop and claimed they could get stock in a few days.

All up if you see a set for sale and your trying to bargain (as a lot of timewasters here do - "Oh I've only got $50 bucks will you blah blah blah)
Your a fool - buy now.

[Cave Dweller]

id be surprised if u ca find XTs on an OS site, believe me ive searched more sites in the last month then google does in a year... well not quite but ive been looking hard.

first saga, supergo had xts for 120 AND END, came to 370 shipped for a set. after lots of discussion with them via email regarding postage and payment via mail order etc... i said i would be mailing my order the next day... well they didnt goto the trouble of telling me they had very little stock left, by the time my check arrived they were all gone :|.

so i then go for chain reactions who had them for a bit more, come to around 450, no shipping as ride guys mum was gonna brng them back, by the time i get my check from supergo, chain reactions have none left. never the less the check is has a 20 day clearing period :shock:.

just needed to get that off my chest... sorry guys :P

yeah... basically go with the m4s, u wont find xts.

I bought a set for each of my bikes from greenfish. $250 for a pair with 6 inch rotors, worked out about $350.

http://www.greenfishadventuresports.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=475

[tu plang]

id be surprised if u ca find XTs on an OS site, believe me ive searched more sites in the last month then google does in a year... well not quite but ive been looking hard.

first saga, supergo had xts for 120 AND END, came to 370 shipped for a set. after lots of discussion with them via email regarding postage and payment via mail order etc... i said i would be mailing my order the next day... well they didnt goto the trouble of telling me they had very little stock left, by the time my check arrived they were all gone :|.

so i then go for chain reactions who had them for a bit more, come to around 450, no shipping as ride guys mum was gonna brng them back, by the time i get my check from supergo, chain reactions have none left. never the less the check is has a 20 day clearing period :shock:.

just needed to get that off my chest... sorry guys :P

yeah... basically go with the m4s, u wont find xts.

I bought a set for each of my bikes from greenfish. $250 for a pair with 6 inch rotors, worked out about $350.

http://www.greenfishadventuresports.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=475

oooooow oooooow oooooow, im very interested.

[spuddy]

worked out about $350.

Is that US shipped or what?

[tu plang]

worked out about $350.

Is that US shipped or what?

nah AUD, they are 250 USD

[spuddy]

Nice one. I dont see why Australia gets screwed so much with stuff... ELEVEN HUNDRED dollars for a pair of M4's? Jesus..... provided you could settle for the Mono M4, they would only be ~$650 to my door from the US.. :? And THAT's the reason why everyone will shop overseas - its so much cheaper!

[tu plang]

Nice one. I dont see why Australia gets screwed so much with stuff... ELEVEN HUNDRED dollars for a pair of M4's? Jesus..... provided you could settle for the Mono M4, they would only be ~$650 to my door from the US.. :? And THAT's the reason why everyone will shop overseas - its so much cheaper!

yeah the m4s are a good example of that. 1100 vs 650 is crazy. the warranty and lbs support arguement really fall down in this example too.

i dont see how u would get 600 worth of lbs service to the brakes.
and
if something did go wrong importers arent well reknowned for their support so you are no better or worse off. even if u had to buy another end from OS u are still 200 better off.

[Gripper]

Guys that quote of $1100 was no BS on my part this is what it said You'll be looking at $1100 inc all mounting hardware, rotor, hose etc.
BTW this shop is well known to all you Sydney siders...........

Anyways, when you see a set of M4's in the flesh you'll get to appreciate the CNC machined body as a piece of industrial art.
To some extent you'll then understand the ticket price over a set of Hayes.

Tu Plang I hope you've learned your lesson of buying OS and have taken my previous recommendations of calling first to see if product is in stock and got yourself a credit card to purchase the items.

[tu plang]

hmmm well the credit card is still not an option as im not 18 and all the credit cards in the family are on my technophobe-dad's account so hed find out and get really pissed off, believe me, he wont change his ways now.

calling before hand wasnt really gonna make a difference, given that it was gonna take 4-5 days to get there. not to mention the number and the context of emails sent and recieved, they gave me nooooo indication of the stocking situation even though it was obvious that i was about to send an order. i'll send u a doc with the emails in chronological order, there level of customer service is pretty amusing.

my tip is to send a few emails asking questions about what you want, if the reply is swift and actually answers your questions (thanks supergo :roll: ) you should have a decent experience. cambria bike is awesome in that regard. and yeah calling them up before ordering could help too as gripper said.

[fatkat]

http://www.monkamoo.com/catalog/Product%20Pages/hopebrakes.html
they are around 225 an end here..

[mike&nat]

is that AU doller :D
if not :cry: :cry:

[fatkat]

nar US unfortunately.

[Gripper]

people, it would seem that some you don't get the fact that these are HIGH quality pieces of kit which naturally are top shelf item$.

M4's are mini equivalents to race car brakes.

stop dreaming and just buy some hayes.....hayes aren't that bad.....

[mike&nat]

i had hayes but i didnt need to use them cause i also liked my XT 4 pot hydros better so i am sold and sellin the hayes and i wanna try M4s instead of my XTs

[tu plang]

i had hayes but i didnt need to use them cause i also liked my XT 4 pot hydros better so i am sold and sellin the hayes and i wanna try M4s instead of my XTs

lotec hasnt been around much lately, but never fear, we have a new brake whore it would seem.

mike&nat, xts are supposed to be one of the best brakes around. from what ive been told u will have trouble telling the difference between them and hopes, and even if you can who gives a flying ...duck... the XTs are still gonna be awesome.

[arnott]

i had hayes but i didnt need to use them cause i also liked my XT 4 pot hydros better so i am sold and sellin the hayes and i wanna try M4s instead of my XTs

i would think that the XT's would have more than enough power to slow your bike down considering your size. why blow well earned money on something that you wont be able to get the full potential out of

[S.]

people, it would seem that some you don't get the fact that these are HIGH quality pieces of kit which naturally are top shelf item$.

M4's are mini equivalents to race car brakes.

stop dreaming and just buy some hayes.....hayes aren't that bad.....

People aren't complaining about the price on its own, merely the fact that we pay ~ double what you do in the US/UK for most mtb stuff. We get anally raped as far as prices go.

[j5ive]

Yeop. Its absolute FREAKIN BULLSHIT.

The US prices are less the Aussie wholesale. :roll:
But... then again go back 5 years are good luck even getting hope brakes in Australia! But as everyone else has said, if something farks up- your going to pay through the nose for it.

Hayes annoys me the same amount, especially parts wise. $89 for an 8" rotor. This has been the retail price since 1999! I mean- didn't the aussie dollar go up there sometime between 99 and 04!!?

In the end. It all comes down to our country having such a small mountain biking community... blah blah blah *bullshit* blah:

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[spuddy]

Gripper: Hayes Nine's suck (from my experience) and why get Mags when you can get Hopes for the same price?

[Gripper]

spuddy wrote: Hayes Nine's suck (from my experience)
It's so to easy to write these words on an internet forum and get away with a widely interpretive nothingness comment.
Explain why, when, how, what for, so you can inform people to make a better choice.

[No Skid Marks]

Both Hayes and Hope are imported into this country by greedy people. This is a fact, anyone can tell you that. Both of them will be tight with warranty aswell.

[spuddy]

spuddy wrote: Hayes Nine's suck (from my experience)
It's so to easy to write these words on an internet forum and get away with a widely interpretive nothingness comment.
Explain why, when, how, what for, so you can inform people to make a better choice.

From my experience, Hayes Nine's suck.

I dont need to explain it to anyone. If you are considering buying them for whatever purpose, go and test ride them for your application and see if they do it for you. Me personally, i would rather ride Hopes.

[miko]

I've got both XT 4 pots and old Hayes Blacks with the mag style lever. I'd say these are comparable for power and modulation, well in my opinion anyway! A mate has Hayes HFX 9's and they feel very on off, and lack modulation. They just didn't feel nice to me. I didn't get a chance to check out their power, it was just a car park test.

I can't see why they wouldn't work well, they just didn't have that feel, which I like!

There, some qualitative comments! :)

Can't give you comments about hopes, or why the whole lot is so expensive! I've got all my brake sets from OS and it's worked out great for me.

[bazza]

hahah. damn look what i have started. thanks for the site! yeah 600ish sounds a hell of a lot better than 1100ish. i would hate to try and sell a 2nd hand set of these that ahve been baught locally! cya later resale value. but yeah enough with the hayes bashing. only the hfx-9's. mags and the other higher end ones are fairly nice brakes. but than again look 10 years ago and canti's where still hardcore braking systems. (well maybe a bit more than 10yrs).

[Daver]

spuddy wrote: Hayes Nine's suck (from my experience)
It's so to easy to write these words on an internet forum and get away with a widely interpretive nothingness comment.
Explain why, when, how, what for, so you can inform people to make a better choice.

From my experience, Hayes Nine's suck.

I dont need to explain it to anyone. If you are considering buying them for whatever purpose, go and test ride them for your application and see if they do it for you. Me personally, i would rather ride Hopes.

Mine leaked fluid, and I know another 5 guys who ave had the same issue, not to mention countless others whose pistons can pop out. They are woeful and unreliable. They suck in MY opinion to- from MY experience they are woeful- they heat up, look ugly, have the stopping power of a sponge. And they are temperature sensative.

I upgraded to 2nd hand Hope M4s on that bike after the good experiences i had with them on my bullit, and the bike is now almost flawless (OK, the Alivio hubs are just as bad as HFX 9s).

I have Hopes on all my bikes (M4s on two and Minis on one. I also run hope hubs on 2 of my wheelsets. Whilst they are expensive (although the hubs are excellent value- WTF?) they are not significantly more than the competition- Maguras (gustavs are $800 each RRP), Hayes (mags are $480 each) and Shimanos (03 4 pot XTS without cables are $400 an end- cables are another $50-120) are all around $500 an end. I paid almost full price for the M4s, and i don't regret it- they are worth every cent IMO. They perform flawlessly, are beautifully made and are awesome.

What gets to me is that the hubs are very well priced (bulb 20mm front is $70 more than tuff neck) and bulb rears are $450, so $200 less than Hugis. There is also a cheaper "sport" hub which uses similar internals for even less.

Look at the machining and quality of the hopes and come back and tell me that hayes and XTs compare in that way.

[Tomas]

From my experience i will say that:

I have had numerous problems with my HFX9's, however they arn't as bad as people say. My front brake has worked flawlessly for 8 months. The rear has given me quite some trouble, blown seals, kinking lines ect. The hayes are very pressure sensitive. Once they heat up they feel like wet V's. However, for a general freeridey type application they work great. Nobut meh. Dosnt bother me in the slightest really.

Hopes, on the other hand... All you have to do is hold a hope brake and you can see the worksmanship that has gone into one. I did a few DH/FR style run on a stab primo with mono6TI's. Unbelieveable brakes. Nothing i have ever used can compare to them. No XT's, no mags, no maguras no nothing. They had sooo much modulation while still remaining bitey. Its been the same with the m4 (non mono) i used on the front of a 222. Modualtion, bietyness and not temp sensitive. Other brakes donot have shit on hopes.

[johnny_boy]

i love how this post has gone so off topic, but i have a soft spot for hope so ill put my 2 cents in. if you say hayes are as good as hopes, you haven't ridden both, have no sense of feel, and are blind. the workmanship on hopes is so, so much better. That said, my current DH bike has hayes, and they are fine. If i had the cash, they would be mono m4's, but i don't. My HFX9's are powerful enough and reasonably reliable when looked after, but they are not as well build as by old school c2's and aren't close to the m4's and mono 6's ive ridden.

[udi]

i love how this post has gone so off topic

i love how you just grave dug a nine month old thread.

[top_dog]

Drop n Zone in America has them for $215 US an end. Apparently he has fantastic customer service.

http://www.dropnzone.com/brakes.html

[fatnold]

you beat me to it top dog.
i got my m4's from allen at dropnzone. super cool guy. can't say the same for brakes. i had them a couple of months, done all the tricks to bed them in ( ie water, down a hill etc). i've got xt's, the early model hayes and hope m4's on bikes. i'd take the hayse anyday.

[Gripper]

you beat me to it top dog.
i got my m4's from allen at dropnzone. super cool guy. can't say the same for brakes. i had them a couple of months, done all the tricks to bed them in ( ie water, down a hill etc). i've got xt's, the early model hayes and hope m4's on bikes. i'd take the hayse anyday.

currently running 1 EBC Red & 1 EBC Gold pad in both front & rear Mono M4's.

uDi also gave me a tip at lightly wet&dry sanding the rotors before use.

[fatnold]

i'll try it gripper. thanks

[fatnold]

lets dig one up from the grave.......after all that's what the search is for. what type of pads come stock on M4's? i seem to have finally got mine bedded in but the are shit when cold. which pads are best for instant work without warm up?

[danieln]

The M4s are awsome.

i have had them for a while and i really like them.