Cromozone VS Scream

[shift]

Ok, so my frames on its way out... (cracks in the swing arm).

Now i can get either the cromozone or the scream for $2700.
both come with a 5th element shock

scream has 8 inch travel, where as the cromozone has 9.25



id like to say im more of a downhiller, but ive been finding myself doing mainly freeriding recently, but getting in some downhill when ever the opportunity arises.

ill be putting my dorado's on it, so spec wise either bike is going to be fully setup for a good thrashing

strength wise, im stumped...
the banshee's got a 10 year warrenty and with the reputation it has in the north shore, she cant be too bad.
but then the cromozone is cromo!

they're pretty much the same suspention design..
so im a little stumped!

which one would you guys go for and why?

[jays_5000]

Banshee and Dorados... mmmmmm, god that'd be a hot bike!

[arnott]

whats the weight comparison, cant beat a ten year warranty

[shift]

cant find a frame weight for the cromozone :evil:
the complete bike is 42 pounds

scream is 13.5lbs for the frame

[Ty]

they are very different bikes, the cromozone being a long low race style sled while the scream is a shorter more upright hucking beast.

you'd really have to have a good ride of both to figgure out which one suits you best.

[SNYKE]

mmmmmmmm go the scream with dorados. IMO the scream is better and is stronger cause they like never brake and the 10 year warrenty, wow thats a long time, when your like 30 and brake the bike you get a new 2013 one :D that would be sick

[cam-o]

I've never ridden a Banshee so I can't comment on them, but I fully rate my Chromozone.

I probably wouldn't let the 10 year warranty sway you too much, small high end manufacturers don't always last 10 years themselves, this is a fickle market.
At least with Chromo it doesn't doesn't matter what the factory does, it's tough as nails and bloody easy to fix if something does happen.

Ty is right though, only way to know is to ride 'em if you can.

[roasted]

all frames will break after a while.

I'd go for the cromozone, as it is lighter, still tough as all hell and is longer.

just so you guys know, screams have been broken. There was a big shitfight about their warranty on NSMB a while back.

But theyree still tough as all hell.

[lotec]

they're completly different bikes... the scream is a more "freeride" (whatever the hell that means) "throw yourself off the biggest drop you can find" kinda bike and the cromozone is specifically dedicated dh race bike... this probably doesnt help you at all but if you can get a good ride on both
edit: i didnt even vote on which would be better cause you just cant compare them :wink:

[floody]

Hmm, I have a scream, and its a hell of a bike, plush, pedals eery well (even mine which is severely undersprung and running a Fox RC), and is VERY manouvreable for a 50lb + freeride bike...
Also, I reckon that a scream would have better standover height than a cromozone...
However I'd say the cromozone would be a better race bike. the scream is short, steep and upright in design, not enough to make it nervous, but possibly not the best on very high speed DH stuff. And, my honest opinion is that a long, low slack bike may be great for world cup races or warp speed stuff, but you could out manouvre it well enough in the tight bits to make up the speed difference/
Weight would be a big issue, a scream will probably build up at least 3-5lbs heavier than the average DH bike...
Also, the scream uses a very high leverage ratio in the 8" setting, which isn't nice for shocks...And I'd especially say that it wouldn't be fantastic for the 5th which is not the most reliable shock ever...Could be wrong though. I thought the cromozone ran a longer stroke shock, which would be a good thing.

I dunno. If its going to see a lot more than DH racing, I'd go the scream, if you must have a race only bike I'd go the cromozone, at a guess...

[W2ttsy]

i think that a chromo frame is going to outlive any ten year warrenty anyways.
i was doing six feet to flat on my steel hardtail, and i havent broken it. chromo is strong shit. a friend of mine tried the same drop on 6061 aluminium, and snapped his rear triangle off.

anyways, enough bad anologies...

support NZ pride and get a chromoZone DH. it will be better for you.

just my two cents.

W2ttsy

[SNYKE]

think that a chromo frame is going to outlive any ten year warrenty anyways.
i was doing six feet to flat on my steel hardtail, and i havent broken it. chromo is strong shit. a friend of mine tried the same drop on 6061 aluminium, and snapped his rear triangle off.


but banshees have the easton rad tubing wat makes it stronger than cromo or just as strong, well if you go to the banshee website it says they are like the strongest bikes.

[kalem]

but banshees have the easton rad tubing wat makes it stronger than cromo or just as strong, well if you go to the banshee website it says they are like the strongest bikes.

well like, yeah, totally.

[No Skid Marks]

They may be strong at first, but aluminium becomes brittle after alot of flexing. 10 year warranty means shit realy. They won't have the same importer if any in 10 years. As for lazy head angles, I prefere a lazy haed angle for freeriding(yes what the fuk does that mean) for skinny stuff it is heaps more controlable. Just try riding along a gutter on an XC bike then do it on a DH rig. This is purely my own opinion and I believe either bike would be an excellent purchase.

[Daver]

Definately not the Scream:

It's heavy
It has more upright geometry
They break (ask Ben Watkins...)

A 10 year warranty isn't the greatest thing either-
If you ride it like it's meant to it won't last 10 years, and at the end of the day, manufacturing defects won't show up for 10 years anyway, so even if you do break it you won't necessarily get a "warranty" frame anyway.

The cromozone, being steel, will last significantly longer than the comparative alloy frame (DUH). The Scream won't do DH well at all, but at least the Cromozone can still be "hucked". The cromozone would be around 3 kilos lighter than the Scream, and will pedal better and have a nicer overall ride.

At the end of the day, you really cannot compare the two, because a huck bike isn’t what you should be riding if you are running race forks on it. There is no logic in running race parts on it, as inevitably it will never ride like a DH bike.

[Ty]

personaly i don't think strength is a point that tips in favor of either bike, they are both super tough and odds are you'll replace the frame within the next 2-3 years anyway as new technology becomes available.

not to sound like a broken record, but it really comes down to what fits you best, and what suits your style of riding.

[milne]

Scream= hucker even thoe they are Sweet as
Cromozone= DH bike, i have herd keewee bikes have weaker frames than most other brands but over all its a choose of opinion, see if you can find a few guys/girls that live near you that are from farkin and ask them if you can check out there rides and see what there opinions are as well.

[Daver]

For $2700 you could get a commencial dh frame, and that would be sick as. But i think possibly more of an out and out race bike, and maybe not the best Freerider.

[cam-o]

Cromozone= DH bike, i have herd keewee bikes have weaker frames than most other brands

Mate,
Dunno where you heard that but you really should get a new source for your info. Read the thread you just posted in. Not one other person has even hinted that strength is an issue with either bike.

[dhd]

Link is the only one who's ever come close to breaking a Cromzone (worldwide that is ). He got a small hairline crack in the swingarm brace which we suspected was only the powder coat cracking as the rear end flexed (something Cro Moly does).......As far as I know he's still riding it six months later so I figure it hasn't broken or he got it welded while he's been stateside.

Now, what was it you were saying about Keewee's breaking?

Keewee..............long low race inpired frame.
Banshee.............North Shore inpired Freerider.

Both are pretty much bullet proof and both very well designed and built for their intended purposes. Sorry bud........but only you can call it!

[floody]

Also, I'd suggest that worldwide there would have been a lot more Scream's sold than Cromozones (probably Keewees full stop), since what, 2002 when they were released...

[roasted]

and what does that mean, exactly?

Id also like to point out a lot more banshees were made in taiwanes sweatshops.

[CHEWY]

and what does that mean, exactly?

Id also like to point out a lot more banshees were made in taiwanes sweatshops.

That more bikes sold = more bikes ridden = more bikes broken and more chance of hearing about it on a forum.

And I wouldn't call the asian frame manufacturing plants sweat shops..

Also, people really need to stop spreading mis-information. I.e. Milne and SNYKE.

[roasted]

figure of speech, chewy, figure of speech.

Despite the fact that more screams have been heard about broken, you have to realise that they weigh 5 pounds or thereabouts more than a keewee, and link hasnt broken his yet., you also ned toknow that he can break anything (BB7, Team DH (norco that is)) etc.

Its all an issue of this guy getting out on both and taking what feels best to him.

[keldave1]

I just bought a Keewee Cromozone only a couple of weeks ago and am quite happy with it. I transfered from a 2001 norco team downhill to one (frame only). With the shivers on the front and heavy rims, the bike weighs about 21kg wich translates to about 46 pound. Jumping them is a bit strange on the Cromozone as it is longer than the norco and has more travel. I would rather a race bike over a north shore style bike any day. (I'm more of a racer than a hucker).

[W2ttsy]

i ride an avanti D8 (which is the old style chromoeight) and it has a ton of endless travel, and is built like a brick shithouse. i am happy to go really big on it, without worrying that it is going to break.

i would probably choose the Keewee over the banshee, simply because of the strength and feel the bike has. chromoly just enstills this great feeling of "its steel, and its strong".

meh, ride both and choose the one thats right for you.

W2ttsy

[floody]

Just out of interest, anybody know what brand of cro-mo tubing the Keewee's are made with?

Ride them both man, don't lay that much cash down without taking a spin on one!

[W2ttsy]

4130 Cromoly US Mill Spec T - 67368

i spose that is what they use.

hope this answers the question.

W2ttsy