Credible huck?

[crazydownhiller]

Ok farkin members (except matty 2004 we dont want ur opinion here), is droppin off an 8-9ft trash compacter on to flat/slightly inclined concrete considered credible or dismissable? see me and all the ppl who were there including walkers and drivers by were gobsmacked (there aint many riders out here) but matty seems to think its an uncool tryhard freeride attempt! yet he stacked rollin over a table!

[crazydownhiller]

I left out i ride a Kona Stinky '04 and the run up was about 2-3 m.

[johnny]

Pics or it's just a story.

[roasted]

who cares, Its just stupid, the reason your breaking shit, and painful to watch. Also a reason why a hop wouldnt want to sponsor you (omagine the money theys lose on rims!)

[audioslave]

I left out i ride a Kona Stinky '04...
I could have guessed that.

[Daneel]

credible, but dumb.

[olly1oo6]

sure its credible. i dont see the point in anyone bitching about it though!

weve all been there, and the best way is to learn from experience. huck to flat isnt healthy, in fact it is quite stupid, but theres no reason to whine about the way someone else rides

[naz]

and yet trials rider can drop 10ft+ plus to flat and thats credible....

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[CHEWY]

Yea but trials riders use a little thing called skill..

[MUGEN]

How much of an incline do u mean by "slightly"?

[johnny]

and yet trials rider can drop 10ft+ plus to flat and thats credible....

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So are you saying that trials riding and hucking to flat are the same thing?

Punk.

[RCOH]

So are you saying that trials riding and hucking to flat are the same thing?


Yes. Only trials is slower ;)

[Dhfactory]

it's only credible if he was sitting down.

-Sean

[crazydownhiller]

How much of an incline do u mean by "slightly"?
5 degrees max i spose,

[crazydownhiller]

there ya go, thats the pic, i aint good with foot measurements but the ppl there (and matty 2004) say its 8-9 foot

[crazydownhiller]

I could have guessed that.
What are you saying? just cos i ride a stinky i should keep myself on the dirt? personally from my opinion its good to see people trying many different disciplines on all kinds of bikes. If i saw a guy racing XC on an orange patriot, id be thinkin good on him!

[andy73]

looks more like 6ft (soory to split hairs) but I don't know why you're seeking affirmation from everybody else as to whether or not it's credible. If that drop represents a progression for you then hell yeah, it's credible.

And I agree with you on point - who gives a shit what bike you ride.

[parallax]

8-9ft: are you warped?

Look at the photo. Look closely at the height difference between the kid and the bin. Unless he is 7.5' tall there's no way that bin could be 9ft.

True, there may be a forced perspective between foreground and background but it's not 9ft dude.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

New hieght estimation - 6.5-7ft.

[MUGEN]

After seeing that picture, if that drop is 8-9ft, then that makes the dude standing next to it like 7 foot:eek: .

[lotec]

I left out i ride a Kona Stinky '04
I would have guessed you ride an stp :( Either way "hucking" to flat is stupid, I did it a few times, broke a bit of shit, got laughed at by naz hahaha and got over it

[johnny]

it's only credible if he was sitting down.

-Sean

That seriously bought tears to my eyes!!! :D

Funny shit.

[Rik]

Might be credible, but that picture is ugly, and I bet the bike made sounds that'd make baby jesus cry.

[Dim]

yeah we all gotta learn some day...I did...i dont huck to flat no more :D


Credible but damaging on ur bike

[ajay]

why are you asking if its credible?? are you that insecure with yourself that you need a heap of complete strangers to tell you if its credible??

fuck man, work yourself out - just ride cos you like it. as you can read, not many people like hucking to flat, neither do i for the same reasons, but that doesnt mean shit, if you like it... do it....

[olly1oo6]

that doesnt mean shit, if you like it... do it....

spot on, thats wat many ppl still have to work out

[Grip]

I say good on you. Personally gutters scare me, but I reckon the bigger you blokes go the better.;)


Also, perspective is a funny thing. PIC 2 (middle one below) was (from memory) a 3m (10') pipe.... and looks it in this pic. PIC 1 is the same pipe but looks about 2m (6') and PIC 3 ... well you count the pallets and work it out, but the angle makes it look even more speco though.

Anyway, bloke on the dumpster... good on you, that's a solid drop.

[Spooky]

Holy Crap Grip ! that second pic of the guy on a mod.....thats huge!

[CHEWY]

And he's in lycra! stylin,.,.

[naz]

So are you saying that trials riding and hucking to flat are the same thing?

Punk.

yes. when i drop i roll up to the edge lean back and keep my bike level till the rear wheel leaves the drop, push my legs down pull the bars up.

pretty much same theory as trials except for the whole rolling part.

foo

i think the funnies part about big drops to flat, they requires a fuckload more skill than most people think, when they go drop off somethin land both wheels at the same time or land sketch, they think oh its shit, coz i cant do it.

and then when someone else does it because they dont like it then it has to be shit.

trials riders ride rigid and drop to flat bgger than anyone else. and if u apply trials style landing to freeride bikes it can be as smooth.

[crazydownhiller]

Hey thanks naz man, but anyway. like i said, once i hucked to flat and i havnt since, and the only damn reason i put this on farkin was to prove Matty 2004 wrong, or to shut him up cps hes pissin me off. yeh now thinkin about it ill stay with 6.5-7 foot, the blokes with me rekond it was 8-9. i dont know feet well. Also one of u said ya thought my bike would be making noise? not a sound from the bastard, cept 2 weeks later the wheel unwound. Thanks for your opinions but i wasnt asking for a fight.

[johnny]

........but i wasnt asking for a fight.

Don't have to around these here parts.

[Rik]

Drops to flat on a hardtail/trials bike are VERY different to dropping to flat on a dually. Hit a flat landing on a dually, with your weight all the way back, will equal some major rear suspension compression, followed by hardcore fork slap... and because your rear is compressed so much, the forks are at such a slack angle they don't want to compress, and the result is a very harsh, very nasty landing. Sure, you can drop to flat all you want on a hardtail, but that doesn't make it any more pleasant for the audience.
yes. when i drop i roll up to the edge lean back and keep my bike level till the rear wheel leaves the drop, push my legs down pull the bars up.
pretty much same theory as trials except for the whole rolling part.
fooOh yeh, that's great, but he's on a dually, you're on a hardtail. As Johnny asked (as rhetorical as it may have been), is hucking to flat, and dropping trials style, the same thing? You didn't even come near answering the question, but still wanted to be condescending. Foo :rolleyes: I don't beleive applying trials style landing to "freeride" bikes (I assume you mean duallies like the Stinky) can share the same technique, as I explained above. But hey, who's to care, everyone should keep dropping to flat, it keeps Grip in business :cool:

[tu plang]

at a glance i thought i was clicking something about the incredible hulk, what i got however was something far lamer, even than that.

edit: oh so i dont sound like a complete scruge i will clarify that im not having a poke at the riding a such more the thread in general. im with the 'as long as your having fun do it' concept as you will probably move away from drops to flat after a while anyway, most people seem to experiment with them for a while then realise they can be pretty harsh on bike and body.

[naz]

Drops to flat on a hardtail/trials bike are VERY different to dropping to flat on a dually. Hit a flat landing on a dually, with your weight all the way back, will equal some major rear suspension compression, followed by hardcore fork slap... and because your rear is compressed so much, the forks are at such a slack angle they don't want to compress, and the result is a very harsh, very nasty landing. Sure, you can drop to flat all you want on a hardtail, but that doesn't make it any more pleasant for the audience.
Oh yeh, that's great, but he's on a dually, you're on a hardtail. As Johnny asked (as rhetorical as it may have been), is hucking to flat, and dropping trials style, the same thing? You didn't even come near answering the question, but still wanted to be condescending. Foo :rolleyes: I don't beleive applying trials style landing to "freeride" bikes (I assume you mean duallies like the Stinky) can share the same technique, as I explained above. But hey, who's to care, everyone should keep dropping to flat, it keeps Grip in business :cool:

condescending.....read ur post.

i am forever bound to trials style no matter what bike. so naturally because i have a different point of view i am wrong. awesome.

[Rik]

:eek: Shoot yourself down, that's cool, saves me effort :D Trials style is the best way to ride a hardtail, of course, but as I said, what happens when you do it on a dually? Major fork slap... you didn't mention it in your post, and especially since you mentioned "freeride" bikes, I thought it'd be best to point on the results of such a style on a bike with decent amounts of rear squish.
Fact is, when you get to a fairly slack head angle (say, sub 65 degrees), the fork just doesn't want to compress smoothly on vertical impacts, and when you trials style a dually and compress the rear end first, the front end ends up being being fairly slack, and the fork doesn't want to compress, the bushings bind, and you end up with sore wrists + neck and a very ugly looking landing.

[naz]

ill leave it at that text book expert

[MUGEN]

:eek: Shoot yourself down, that's cool, saves me effort :D Trials style is the best way to ride a hardtail, of course, but as I said, what happens when you do it on a dually? Major fork slap... you didn't mention it in your post, and especially since you mentioned "freeride" bikes, I thought it'd be best to point on the results of such a style on a bike with decent amounts of rear squish.
Fact is, when you get to a fairly slack head angle (say, sub 65 degrees), the fork just doesn't want to compress smoothly on vertical impacts, and when you trials style a dually and compress the rear end first, the front end ends up being being fairly slack, and the fork doesn't want to compress, the bushings bind, and you end up with sore wrists + neck and a very ugly looking landing.
And sometimes a snap due to the increased leverage.;):(

[bowzaa]

that sounds about right with the head tube angle on dually with drops (shaums marsh in 2003 red bull ride :eek: ) but doesn't bender run a sub 60 degree headtube on his karpiel. then again i may have just been misinformed...

[donthucktoflat]

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=7094

i can't believe nobody has put this up yet!


man, drops to flat on a duallie are stupid and pointless and require less brains than more guts (and skill for that matter) now hucks to uphill on the other hand...

oh, and here is a good huck. (i am yet to do it, but next time we go riding in belco matt, we need to go ask permission etc from the church owners. (god?)

aaanyway, i want you to note the nice DOWNWARDS angle of the landing, good for smoothness. plus, with some speed, it should be about 15ft (using Rik's height camparatator

[Rik]

"Excuse me church owners, I want to be closer to god... one way of doing so is throwing myself and my bike off your roof, can I have permission to go ahead with this act?"

Bowzaa, you could be right with Benders headangle in the Karpiel days, but I've a feeling most of his gear was custom made/tuned for his riding, and could take slap landings better than most.
Anyway, hucks to uphill are madcore, we all know that :D

[hardtail free rider]

naz and rik left out one thing while bitching at each other. trials riders while landing drops use their back brakes.and balance to control the landing. huckers and the like dont.

two things to note:
when droping hardtails its generally a good idea to land back wheel first (not as crazing as trials riders but you know what i mean).
when dropiong dually's to save your bike use the suspension like it was designed for and land boths wheels together.

*note this is just a rule of thumb*

[t]

perspective is a funny thing

this edited version of the pic shows that the compactor is about 3.5 timees bigger than his rear wheel, which is more in perspective with the drop than the dude who's height is probably somewhere between 5 and 7ft.

a 26" wheel with a 2.35 tyre is about 68cm tall

3.5 X 68cm = 238cm

238cm / 2.54 = 9.37 ft

This is pretty rough maths, if i had a big-ass version of the image I could use filters to account for the vertical perspective and the fish eye effect on that lens,.

CONCLUSION: I think it's bigger than it looks.

[kona_ona]

i guess thats a good way to work it out even if it is smaller around 7 foot thats still a fare old huck to flat n i respect people who have the balls (or lack of brains) to do that but like people are saying its kinda stupid i meen a 7 foot huck to tranny takes much more skill than riding of wall but then again doing a huge drop t0 flat on a trials bike now that takes skill!

[fastrider gus]

it shouldnt bother you if something you are doing is "credible" or not.. if you like doing it, screw what others think man.

[gragra]

Huck, schmuck, whatever you like to do is fine. Flat, sloping down or up.
How about landing front wheel first for a change? That might help the front forks compress better, yes?

seriously tho, think about this - especially when landing jarring, hard hucks, jumps, whatever.

When you land rear wheel first - dually or not, you allow your bike - and more importantly, body to spread the hit over TWO stages.

1. When the rear wheel hits first ,you have a milisecond more time to absorb the entire impact. Because your feet, ankles, knees and all the other bits are still progressing down - although with reduced force - on account of the initial rear wheel impact.

2. Then you land the front, and body and bike receives the rest of the hit.

In my opinion, this is the best approach to landing any hard, square hit on any sort of two wheeled vehicle. Especially when without a landing ramp. Some might see this as a part of skill building.

Oh, and it is a credible thing you did. Justifiable, real, honest to goodness and true as the day is long. You claimed it, documented it. Bro', you own that huck!!! Nahce one....

[Sutek]

Huck, schmuck, whatever you like to do is fine. Flat, sloping down or up.
How about landing front wheel first for a change? That might help the front forks compress better, yes?

seriously tho, think about this - especially when landing jarring, hard hucks, jumps, whatever.

When you land rear wheel first - dually or not, you allow your bike - and more importantly, body to spread the hit over TWO stages.

1. When the rear wheel hits first ,you have a milisecond more time to absorb the entire impact. Because your feet, ankles, knees and all the other bits are still progressing down - although with reduced force - on account of the initial rear wheel impact.

2. Then you land the front, and body and bike receives the rest of the hit.

In my opinion, this is the best approach to landing any hard, square hit on any sort of two wheeled vehicle. Especially when without a landing ramp. Some might see this as a part of skill building.

Oh, and it is a credible thing you did. Justifiable, real, honest to goodness and true as the day is long. You claimed it, documented it. Bro', you own that huck!!! Nahce one....

PERFECT.....FROM THE DON! ;)