hardtail...............downhill?

[isthisthepart]

hey fellas i just got an stp zero and wanted to do a little bit of downhill with it but i wasn't sure whether shes gunna hold coz i dont wanna risk screwing it over if it isnt gunna be able to hold up. can i get some suggestions?

[zstreetco]

YOU CANT BE SERIOUS RYAN? its a street and urban bike, pushing it ova trails would be pushing the limits. dude stick to the street on that. but hey i aint stoppin ya, go for it, but i personally wouldnt GOOD LUCK DUDE

[Numinos]

I also agree with Zstreetco my friend has and stp1 and there not made for downhill, although they can get you down a track it would be a risk. My friend can do som e downhill trails but the bike just aint built for it.

Go for your life but,

From Cameron

[andy73]

the stp1 has a pretty burly spec list - should be alright to have a bit of fun on - no gigantic hucks but I reckon it'll get you down a hill from time to time. change your rubber though coz grip would be a prob.

[VicRiders]

Stp + Hill + Rocks = "SNAP"...

[isthisthepart]

yeah its not as if im going to be going as hard out as the other riders with back shock are so i should be right

[isthisthepart]

dont get smart you

[VicRiders]

double post!!!!

nah seriously the STP range is made for street/urban/DJ not downhill, if you do attempt any downhill it would have to be extremly!!! light....and all drops over 10cm.....oooh.....maybe 30cm.....would have to be gone around....

[cam-o]

Are you guys for real? :eek:
Am I expected to believe that a bike designed to be thrown down stair gaps can't handle a bit of dirt?
Am I also expeted to believe that the stress on a frame from DH is more than pulling up short on a 15 foot DJ?

Mate, Just go for it. The bike will be fine.
STP = Street Trail Park.

[MUGEN]

Just what do you guys mean by "street, urban", like cam-o said, if it can take stair gaps, then your local downhill trails would be a peice of cake.
Go for it in my opinion, and dont hold back because someone said it wont take a 30cm drop.

[Daver]

Are you guys for real? :eek:
Am I expected to believe that a bike designed to be thrown down stair gaps can't handle a bit of dirt?
Am I also expeted to believe that the stress on a frame from DH is more than pulling up short on a 15 foot DJ?

Mate, Just go for it. The bike will be fine.
STP = Street Trail Park.

Trail as in Jumps, not trail as in DH.

The STPs are good bikes, but i can't see them lasting for DH at all. They have some pretty sketchy parts if you do want to ride/race DH on them, namely the QR front (for DH with an 8" rotor it will eat QRs) and the lack of chainguide.

[bradh]

i agree: most urban riding yields harsher hits than all but the severest dh trails.

[jamit]

Am I expected to believe that a bike designed to be thrown down stair gaps can't handle a bit of dirt?
Am I also expeted to believe that the stress on a frame from DH is more than pulling up short on a 15 foot DJ?

Mate, Just go for it. The bike will be fine.
STP = Street Trail Park.

Ditti cam-o, you are not goin to beat Hill or Renie on it but get out there and enjoy the ride.

I have been riding DH on a old Giant ATX840 XC bike yeah I am not competitive but I am having a great time doing it. :)

[scblack]

The STPZero will be pretty much fine for DH.

I've got one too, and taken it on some pretty decent DH trails.

The front wheel is QR20, so the issue of 8 inch rotor is not a problem(20mm axle). The fork is not really up to DH, having not enough travel, but will get you down the hill. And the rest is good strong components, so should be up to whatever you throw at it (don't quote me on that later, if something goes wrong).

Just give it a go.

[maca_00]

its not a dh bike its street and urban bike going dh itd b at its limits but whos to stop ya its your bike try it, itd be fun

[isthisthepart]

hey guys thanks for the info. im definantly gunna get out there and give it a shot

[slo]

my mate just broke his stp1 doing a step-up-road-gap (about 5ft elevation, 15ft gap...) just bent the stem, but the headtube looked alright. this could have possibly been cause he came up a little short though :D

it was handling the first road gap at bennets alright (about 25ft) but this is a pretty tame landing :rolleyes:

good begginers bike, but when you start to go big, upgrade before you brake stuff ;)

(or just try not to come up short :D )

[hardtail free rider]

Ditti cam-o, you are not goin to beat Hill or Renie on it but get out there and enjoy the ride.

I have been riding DH on a old Giant ATX840 XC bike yeah I am not competitive but I am having a great time doing it. :)

word up yo. :O i used to race dh, 4x on my atx 850 xc bike. it lasted a while. until i snapped the head tube off.....RIDING IN THE CITY SKATEPARK. any bike will last dh. the problem some people have is that when they hear the word downhill, or race they imediately think renny and word cup tracks.

thats just crap. the stp will go fine, but the way in which you ride it whether on dh, dj, or street will determine how long your bike will last. that means if you constantly case jumps, slap your front end down, or just generally dont look after it, then obviously this serverly shortens the lifespan. this is the same with any bike!!

just keep in mind that once you make any mods to your bike that are for dh, or if you damage your bike doing dh then you may not get it warrantied.

rip hard, ride free, keep it real!!!!

[roasted]

yer, just give it a go mate.

Im sick of this "OMG you cant dop that on that bike its not designed 4 it"

you could say the same about when MTB's started riding dirtjumps.



read jared randos article in AMB, cant remember which, about having a go.

[Ill-Aquired Taste]

i ride a stp1 downhill all the time and its a pretty hardcore track and i havent had any trouble also been hucking her off 4-5m drops to flat and still no damage there a strong bike son ride well :)

[kemmo]

I have ridden my Felt FS800 on all of the trails around the lower northern beaches here in Sydney & except for the odd pinch flat, it has handled anything I have thrown it at, so as long as you are happy doing it, go for it....Just check out the rear welding seams & joints occasionally, as I have seen a couple of hardtails that have fractured from riding 'rough' for want of a better term.
I have posted my ride & asociated specs so check it out & see how your bike compares & make your comparisons from that if you like.

[floody]

Its a decent bike with decent parts. Just ride the thing. Christ, half the bits are downhill bits anyway....

I raced downhill for nigh on 7 years on an assortment of cobbled together shitheaps which were made out of frames (and many other parts) probably meant for XC*. Some broke, some soldiered on - I have an 11 year old Shogun hardtail frame here which has done 4 seasons of DH and all sorts of other assorted whooping and its structurally mint....Not to mention I have over the years whooped a lot of people on supposedly more appropriate machinery

The STP is no crapheap. It maybe a little nervous in geometry, but you'll get used to it. Downhill racing is a shitload of fun, just get out and do it.
Worry more about safety gear than the bike. You really should have a full face at the minimum (on top of the normal shinnies, elbow guards and so on).

Back in 1997 I did a season of downhill on this, frame cost $150 and came with an XTR front derailleur, haha....
http://www.future-edge.net/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=6013

[naz]

ahaha
how fucken stupid are people.

i ride a stp1 downhill all the time and itsapretty hardcore track and i havent had any trouble also beenhuckingher off 4-5m drops to flat and still no damage there a strongbike sonride well :)

4-5m to flat. nice :rolleyes:

my mate just broke his stp1 doing a step-up-road-gap (about5ft elevation, 15ft gap...) just bent the stem, but the headtube lookedalright. this could have possibly been cause he came up a little shortthough :D

it was handling the first road gap at bennets alright (about 25ft) but this is a pretty tame landing :rolleyes:

good begginers bike, but when you start to go big, upgrade before you brake stuff ;)

(or just try not to come up short :D )

he broke a stp?? yet only bent a stem, ofcourse ur gonna break stock STP specs there shit,

[Kona.S.P]

Hey Ryan, the question is, were are you going to do downhill??? yes the beach "downhill tracks" will be fine for the STP...

[dirt rider]

dont worry dude my mate races on his stp1 and he is doing great

just dont do anything stupid and ull be ok

[Chicka]

Dont listen to all these people tellin u not to do it, Its your bike, you can do wat u want. I used to ride an 04 hotdog, set up with boxxers for downhilling, never had any issues at all ( and it did get put through its paces). So all these people saying you cant do any drops obvioulsy havent strayed from the comfyness of a dually. As long as u know how to land the drops you should be fine. If you listend to everything people tell you, then life isnt worth living, Try it and u might like it, if not stick with free-riding, watever.

[vando]

Of Course the Stp would be able to take it, it's built strong, there was a picture recently of a person hitting a decent sized road gap on his STP 1. Just go for it!!

[DYJK]

i ride a stp1 downhill all the time and its a pretty hardcore track and i havent had any trouble also been hucking her off 4-5m drops to flat and still no damage there a strong bike son ride well :)

4-5m Drops to flat...yeah sick head! :p
Do u have an imprint of your stem in your forehead? :confused:
You seriously need to measure thr stuff you do before you say 4-5m!thats a 2 story building..to flat...

[Inverted]

I would love to see someone do the 20ft step down at Lizard Rock on a STP.
Thats 4-5 metres last time I checked and its not to flat.

[donthucktoflat]

what would you use this for?http://www.mountainbikes.net/carbon/tuckerTomac_Yeti_Final_1ws.jpghow about for this?:
http://www.mountainbikes.net/carbon/1990_tomac_Yet_c26_riding.jpg
that's right, possibly THE GREATEST mountain biker of all time, John Tomac raced a hardtail that would be a competitive XC bike in DH.. and XC.

the moral is... you can ride what you want, how you want to. so i say go for it.

[olly1oo6]

get out there and enjoy the ride.

....nuff said

[Chalkie]

I agree go for it mate, guy down the road who 12 did a pretty rocky intense adeladie trail on a k-mart dually. Ive been riding a specialized P2 on trails for about a year now and have had no probs.

[hardinge915]

i ride downhill on a thunderball.... not the best bike for it but its fun and it works.... go for it and enjoy it while you can :)

[farkus]

i saw a few guys using one at the interschools for DH

[DJDEMON]

Thats bullshit if you've got a stp zero then it be an awesome bike for hardtail divi i hav heeps of frendz in hardtail divi with stp2's so so worrying about you ur bike with almost triple the spec

[MUGEN]

Thats bullshit if you've got a stp zero then it be anawesome bike for hardtail divi i hav heeps of frendz in hardtail diviwith stp2's so so worrying about you ur bike with almost triple thespec
Firstly, try and make a bit of sense before abusing people. What the hell is "divi".

[naz]

Firstly, try and make a bit of sense before abusing people. What the hell is "divi".

division, you know how they seperate different ages/levels so its a bit fairer.
once again division :)

[iUDEX_nCr]

it's not designed for dh, as in the geometry.

But it'll handle it fine, not gonna break on you. hope ur not serious about the 30cm thing... i mean whoever said that might mean he won't service it.

but yeah go for it... but you will find more enjoyment with a freeride/dh bike... heck i used to take dh sections on my xc bike.

[error_500]

yer man go for it

[isthisthepart]

went out dh riding the other day with my mate who has a bighit i had one stack but id never gone so fast........till i hit a log and got owned nothing broke though so ill do it till something does

[zstreetco]

thats the only way to learn ryan
WAHOO RYAN FINALLY DID SOME PROPER RIDING AHAHAH jk
cya soon dude gotta ride b4 school

[Darkside]

ryan now u ride DH u can come to buller:D
Cya next yr
Al

[The Sheriff]

The frame should take a mighty beating.
As for downhilling, its up to you and how fit you are ;plus your ball size .

You need one DH bike AND a hardtail...


Out.

[disco stu]

theres no reason y u cant have a little fun on some trails but no x-treme dh otherwise u will screw it over

[Anthonaut]

Are you guys for real? :eek:
Am I expected to believe that a bike designed to be thrown down stair gaps can't handle a bit of dirt?
Am I also expeted to believe that the stress on a frame from DH is more than pulling up short on a 15 foot DJ?

Mate, Just go for it. The bike will be fine.
STP = Street Trail Park.
Amen! Listen to Rando, go for it.

[Grip]

Quite possibly the lamest thread for a while. The bottom line is ANY bike can be ridden to breaking point... and ANY bike can be ridden down a DH track. It all depends on how it's done.:rolleyes:

When my son was starting out he raced XC and DH on the one Avanti Montari. A few of you might know of him... he was NEVER last... even then.

[deathwish]

iv got an stp1 with mtx's on aireals n rear brake only n i ride dh all the time. not 1 problem yet so meh. go 4 it

[Grip]

iv got an stp1 with mtx's on aireals n rear brake only n i ride dh all the time. not 1 problem yet so meh. go 4 it

Deathwish, please put a little more effort into your post quality. Reading the above crap gives people headaches and will not lead to you being taken seriously... seriously. Cheers

[Kona.S.P]

iv got an stp1 with mtx's on aireals n rear brake only n i ride dh all the time. not 1 problem yet so meh. go 4 it
Only a rear brake for DH??
Thats a tad drastic....

[jonot]

Only a rear brake for DH??
Thats a tad drastic....

a tad stupid? :D

[BlingBling4130]

Hardtail for DH? No problems, been doing it for years. I mean there is a H/T class at most big events isnt there. Most of these guys wernt around before suspension, and think you need a DH rig to ride down a mountain. I ride with guys on DH bikes and attempt almost anything they do, usually first. Its a differant riding style. Go for it dude. And have fun. As for the guy who wrote that he does 5m drops to flat on a h/t. You have got to be fucking kidding. Get a tape measure, wind it out to 5m and see how high that is. Then wake up and slap yourself across the face before you write shit like that ever again.

[M@DM!KE]

Nobody would stand in the way of hardtails on downhills 10years ago at 60mph, and they are built soooo much better these days (gussets, beefed up tubing, slack geometry etc)
At the end of the day, it's a mountain bike, so take it mountain biking.
Maybe you could change the meaning of STP?? "Suspension Tall Poppies". Show them how its done!!!

Ride On.

[elbry]

how bad does that yeti look!

best thing i had a rocky mtn blizzard and i ran drop bars and tioga disc back wheel as well!...

i ride this now
http://northshorefreeriders.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=257

[gt jock]

I say go for it! i have friends that ride the thredbo dh track on big foots!

[edgton77]

anybody have a kona coiler and if so how do they go on the trails (red hill is where i broke my big foot)looking to buy new but if one second hand for sale would like to have a look chers :)

[edgton77]

Hardtail for DH? No problems, been doing it for years. I mean there is a H/T class at most big events isnt there. Most of these guys wernt around before suspension, and think you need a DH rig to ride down a mountain. I ride with guys on DH bikes and attempt almost anything they do, usually first. Its a differant riding style. Go for it dude. And have fun. As for the guy who wrote that he does 5m drops to flat on a h/t. You have got to be fucking kidding. Get a tape measure, wind it out to 5m and see how high that is. Then wake up and slap yourself across the face before you write shit like that ever again.


good call it can look a lot bigger when you are on top of it

[DH_DEVIL]

i know ppl that enter dh races on sasquatchs!! but i spose its a bit diffrent

[Roly]

hey man, don't push your bike too hard as it isn't meant for DH, but go for it. I have a Kona Stuff 05 and my bro has a Specialized P.2 04 and we went to Thredbo last hols. They were fine, but i had a huge stack and my brake lever came out. still, go for it and good luck, but don't push it too hard. :D

[elbry]

i did a dh race on my hardtail last month and it was a blast, if you got a ht do it!

[christoph]

You can do downhill JUST BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL. I have seen people take the hurtsy drop several times over in a day on there stp1s and zeros. You can do it but you cant belt it around....The frame is light, But it still is strong but nots as strong as you will need for going downhills at rediculous speed. Try it but dont think your riding a v10 or anything... Take it for some test runs...Maybe hursty or mt dande?
hope it goes well chris

[kyle_sherwod]

dont listen to anyone that tells you no i raced a kona cowan downhill that went aweasome and my mate raced an stp 0 at granton and won the qualifing round and placed third in the finals, after three spills they are though, rigid and will easliy handle the downhilling you'll be doing just getting into it!!!

[bulllet]

It is your ride mate, ride what you want on it.
I had an old Hard Tail and it went fine on downhill. My friend now races in DH comps on his sasquatch and that goes fine. I downloaded a video of a guy doing a thirty foot drop on a hardtail, noone can tell me that they are built to weak for doing drops. If the stp0 can take a big stair gap onto concrete then there is no reason it cannot take any other drop of a reasonable size, make sure you are ready and land it well.
Have fun riding it.

[TheDustyBin]

If your stp cannot take a bit of downhill then you might as well throw it in the bin. I would thrash it, it is a DJ bike so it is built strong. My Norco hardtail has been awesome, i dont think i could ever brake it.

[intense rider]

the wheels will probly fold then the rear stay will fall off. lol. just joking. if u went downhilling on it take it easy unless u are super smooth. goodluck and i hope your bike can take the punishment

[freeride_ac]

Ive seen someone do a 9ft drop on a STP 1 and they landed perfectly on a slightly sketchy landing. But its the rider, not the bike.

[topher]

go for it. Plenty of people do it, if your brake the frame, well thats bad luck, atleast try it then say yeah its for me, or no.

[tanlicouz]

DON'T DO IT! :eek:

Don't you know that the bike has a mind of its own? As soon as it sees a mountain, it automatically shivers and its clenches up and as soon as u hit a 30 cm drop it will SNAP and there goes ur manhoood.


GEEEZ! honestly, a bike is a bike, if its not a KMART bike or a TARGET bike then what you can do with the bike depends on you. Simple things like suspension, brakes tyres will need to be looked at before you can go crazy. But if you planning to take it easy the stp will be able eat it up! If its designed for dirtjumping then it has been designed to take alot of CRAP. Don;t worry about the bike.

But like somebody else mentioned previous invest on protective gear.

I rode the abom easily at bulla with my 2003 stuff that was Stock and im still alive, and the bike is fine too.

[fastrider gus]

it all comes down to skill dudes... think of Johnny Dawe, he will whip the majority of people on duallies no matter on the track at all.. he's a fuckin nut, has skill to boot and he's on a hardtail with 6" tripple clamps... it IS possible..

[Demo Dave]

I did ok at nowra on my hardtail in expert, even did the huck to flat.

[and1]

i ride a stp1 downhill all the time and its a pretty hardcore track and i havent had any trouble also been hucking her off 4-5m drops to flat and still no damage there a strong bike son ride well :)

Ahahaha, so your saying you huck your STP 30+ foot to flat? Sure thing mate.

[TheDustyBin]

i ride a stp1 downhill all the time and its a pretty hardcore track and i havent had any trouble also been hucking her off 4-5m drops to flat and still no damage there a strong bike son ride well :)

are you sure you mean 4-5m (meters) that is some pretty crazy stuff, if you are landing flat. You must have a very strong stp. Nice work

[smitho]

Ahahaha, so your saying you huck your STP 30+ foot to flat? Sure thing mate.

5m is 15ft.....still dont believe him thats mighty big to flat

And does anyone find it ironic that this is the FREERIDING FORUM, and we are talking about DOWNHILL, on an STREET/DJ BIKE....when there is a downhill, and a street/dj/trials forum

[Grip]

We really don't need this opened up again after all these months, eh?