powdercoating a car

[lotec]

this is a very random question but ive been asking around and im sure someone would know on here, :D does anyone have an idea how much it would cost to get a car (4wd) powdercoated, would involve stripping it completly etc or are there any DECENT finishes you can get sprayed that dont involve stripping the car? I get my l's in a month and just looking at second hand cars etc.... thanks in advance guys also are there any services to get a car shipped from QLD to NSW? mum cant drive a manual and towing a 4wd that far would drink about 100000000000000000000000000000000000 million litres of fuel :D

[scottmeister]

Why not just get sprayed with 2pak like normal? Would probably cost the same and give better finish... Most powdercoaters wouldn't wanna bother doing a whole car, not to mention the fact the panels would have to be taken off and put into the oven separately.

Just spray the prick, dammit! :p

[lotec]

yea ive heard of 2pak although i dont know exactly what it is... really hard thick spraypaint? anyone know cost to have it done professionally, theres no way im taking to a car myself, a bike frame was bad enough :eek:

[CHEWY]

Forget about powder coating
For spraying if the car is properly marked off then you will only have to do minor dissasembly like boot/doors/bumpers etc

2 pac just refers to the number of components to a paint
2 pac is just a Pack A and a Pack B (one usually the paint the other hardener) which are mixed together just before spraying.
Are you gonna do it yourself or get someone else to do it?

I've just finnished painting the chassis of my dub with a 2-pack epoxy mastic.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/195699.jpg

[lotec]

get someone else to do it for sure, thought you might know CHEWY :) i just want a estimated cost to get it done properly (not dodgy backyard 5 min jobs workshops etc) would apreciate help from anyone who has had it done before or KNOWS what it would cost, thanks guys

[scottmeister]

My uncle loves his many VeeDubs :p

[CHEWY]

Its a bit hard to come up with a definitive answer on price..
Every car will be different, depending on the amount of prep work (takes up the most time, rust repair, panel beating, fillers etc) the size of the car, and the type of paint used.
I wouldnt discount a backyard job, get someone who knows what they are doing and it will look fine.
It would be a lot cheaper if you could do a lot of the prep work yourself, then take it to a shop to get the final coats.
Personally I would be spending my money first on making the car mechanically sound, and SAFE, before worrying about the paint job.

[CHEWY]

Holy fuckin shit Scottmeister!
he loves his trurbo'd bugs by the look of it
the early 60s one is beeewtiful!
he race?

[lotec]

yea the car is mechanically safe and sound, its just mums buying me a first car and ive found an old series one range rover at an absolute steal of a price its just white and she doesnt like it but with the money we save can get it painted blue, i really dont care what colour it is and everybody stays happy :D nice bugs scottmeister :eek:

[scottmeister]

Hehe, the Purple '69 is just a show car, a fairly stocko 1800 in it with exhaust. The '61 blue one makes about 220 rear wheel kW, best time we can get out of it is a mid 12 1/4 mile so far.

The other blue one is his mates one, that makes about 330 rear wheel kW, from a 2.4 litre VW engine with T60 turbo on... 11psi boost I think it was. That runs at best around a 10.8 1/4 mile. With a stock '66 beetle gearbox... ;) They're strong fuckers.

Hes rebuilding a new beetle at the moment, but full on dragcar, wants a flat 10, street legal! He just got the engine imported from California, a SCAT motor, and hes starting to build that up, aiming for 350 ish rw kW with some big-ass turbo I can't remember.

Them and about 6 other beetles comprise his collection, which includes a stock '57, a '62 ragtop, and other ones used for parts. Haha, and My mum has a new beetle turbo....he hates it :rolleyes:

[CHEWY]

yea I bet he'd hate the new beetles!
whats his name?
I've got 2 mates with 57 ovals, ones on a 69 chassis with a rebuilt 1600 with twin Kadron carbs, the others completely original, one owner!

The landy sounds sweet as Lotec, thems great cars
sorry for the Hi jack..

still doesnt have seat belts

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/184544.jpg

[scottmeister]

Haha, very stocko...lovely visor :D

My uncle's name is Mark Gottwalt, and his best mate Nick and John own a company based in Clayton called "Volkommen Art" which specialises in hot VW's with turbo engines, or even full restos.

Ahh I love the classic cars....you go to all the VW shows? I'm usually at a few of them, and my uncle and his mates cars usually are... :)

[lotec]

hey guys, feel right at home hijacking my thread eh? ;)

[CHEWY]

yea I went to day of the Volks last year, hopefully the bug will be finnished in time to take it up this year
I've got about 2 months till I reach my deadline, but got a shizenload of rust to cut out and put new metal in. Both door pillars are rotted out where they meet the sill, the bottem corners of the windscreen both have rot and theres a few other spots.
A kombi's next on the agenda I reckon. :D

haha sorry lotec :p

[mikesmith]

powder coating a car would not only be stupid but really expensive. there is also the problem of the metal rusting underneath the powdercoat. i work on car being a mechanic and we powder coat a lot of suspension parts for durability but i hav e noticed that if steel and when they get chipped it is already rusty underneath.

just another thing remember when powder coating.

thanks

mike

[lotec]

oh ok thanks mike

[crozza]

tut tut tut chewy you are a hipacrit i remember you telling someone off and saying "keep it to pm's" not long ago! hahaha

[CHEWY]

yea but I woulda been joking :p

got any pics of this landy lotec?

[scottmeister]

http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/543557.jpg

It's a big boy! :p

[hairy]

thats pretty sweet dave i like it...but if im not miss taken your not alloud to drive a v8 on ur L's/P's any more in NSW unless you already hold a licence. sorry if im wrong but im pretty sure these are v8's and this is the new ruling by the RTA.

[lotec]

yea but if its all the family owns you get away with it i already checked it out, plus the whole power to weight ratio thing too, its only a 3.5L no turbo and it weighs 3 tonnes

[danv]

I wouldnt discount a backyard job, get someone who knows what they are doing and it will look fine.
You'd also really want someone you could trust. I think that's one of the main issues with so called backyard jobs.

Chassis is looken sweet dude.

[protecon]

I might be asking the obvious here, but why does this vehicle (http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/543557.jpg) have two snorkels?

Sure it's a small block V8 but it only has one intake.

[donthucktoflat]

I might be asking the obvious here, but why does this vehicle (http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/543557.jpg) have two snorkels?

Sure it's a small block V8 but it only has one intake.

looks cool... maybe also has an intercooler? i dunno, it might...

[danv]

I might be asking the obvious here, but why does this vehicle (http://private.carsales.com.au/photos/543557.jpg) have two snorkels?

Sure it's a small block V8 but it only has one intake.
Exhaust?


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[spinner]

I had a HQ ute resprayed years ago , it was a colour change , and it cost a bit over $3000 in acrylic. A mate that had a panel shop did it for me and did a top job.

The colour change is going to push the price up , if you resprayed it white , they can do a "doors closed" respray. With a colour change , the doors , bonnet , etc. need to be removed and stripped of trim , rubbers , door mechanism , etc. and the door jambs need to be prepped and painted.....basically , if its white now , it has to be prepped and painted. That makes it a much bigger job , not so much for material costs , but for labour.

If I was you , I'd leave it as is. It's your first car , you'll probably sell it in a few years and I doubt the money you spend on painting it will add much to its value when you go to sell it. If you plan on keeping it , then fair enough , spend the cash.

Save your money (or spend it on bike parts :) ) and enjoy the car as it is. You won't have to stress about getting it scratched in car parks or in the bush and you'll be a few grand better off. Thats what I'd do anyway....

Oh yeah , and forget powdercoating it.

[lotec]

yea im gonna be keeping it probably upgrade it a bit when im off my ps (much bigger engine etc) but decided not to get it painted at the moment, thanks guys

[kalem]

but why the two snorkels!?

[ashhash]

A snorkel is not just to keep your air intake above the water, it also creates a ram effect with forces air into the engine.....helps it breathe. (prolly makes a bit more power too)
Two increases the effect.
Plus it looks farkin cool! Nice rig mate :)

Ash

[CHEWY]

A snorkel is going to be restrictive of air intake
What you are reffering to is the venturi effect.
A volume of gas flowing through a passage of diminishing size has to increase velocity to maintain the same volumetric displacement.
Its the basic principal of which a carburettor works.
The only reason I can come up with twin snorkels is twin carbs, but I'm not a 4wd'er
or ones a fake.

[ashhash]

A snorkel is going to be restrictive of air intake
How do you figure? It is the same diameter as the normal intake, length will make fuck all difference and you have air being forced into it by the forward motion of the car.

What you are reffering to is the venturi effect.
No, im not :D

Trust me man it helps, ive had a few 4wd's
Alot of competition 4wds run twin snorkels also...

[fatkat]

2 snorkles.. twin carby.. hmmm.. one per carb? (these things arent injected remember)
make it breath easier?
ram air affect? as the cars moving air is being pushed into the snorkles, forcing air into the carbs?
eh i dont know, seen it on many mini race cars (except the intake is about the size of a small child) and its way down low.

if you're thinking of doing any 4wding with that thing (which i god damn hope you will be) keep the paint something simple (eg keeping it white or silver) as blue... well... its hard to get scratches out.

also be weary of those tires- you're going to go through alot of petrol buddy...first of all, it being the 3.5L buick engine with twin Su's it already goes through a fair amount of petrol (i have one, except in a rover P6B), and adding that onto the resistance of the trans, and the weight of a big heavy 4x4, and then you have those fat mudders which have a rather large rolling resistance. If its going to be an every dayer, i suggest changing tires/wheels to some all terrains and cheap sunrasias.

nice rig though :)

[lotec]

if you're thinking of doing any 4wding with that thing (which i god damn hope you will be) keep the paint something simple (eg keeping it white or silver) as blue... well... its hard to get scratches out.
yep why else would i get it :D mums series III has a few scratches on it from 4wding with it (almost cried when got one half the length of the car down it) lucky it mostly polished out but i know white and silver are the easiest to polish out and i know its gonna drink the fuel but thats the price you pay...

[protecon]

also be weary of those tires- you're going to go through alot of petrol buddy...first of all, it being the 3.5L buick engine with twin Su's it already goes through a fair amount of petrol (i have one, except in a rover P6B), and adding that onto the resistance of the trans, and the weight of a big heavy 4x4, and then you have those fat mudders which have a rather large rolling resistance. If its going to be an every dayer, i suggest changing tires/wheels to some all terrains and cheap sunrasias.

Agreed. Even the reduction in road noise is worth it.
Not to mention the increased stress on your differentials...

[scblack]

also be weary of those tires- you're going to go through alot of petrol buddy...first of all, it being the 3.5L buick engine with twin Su's it already goes through a fair amount of petrol

The first car I ever had was a Datsun Stanza, and put in a jap import 1.8litre SSS motor which had twin Su's. That increased power loads, god it was fun!

[fatkat]

pitty they dont have the same economy as that nissan 1.8 :(