Need New Brakes!

[Matty14]

I need new brakes for my bike and i was wondering what people thought of the new Avid Juicy 7's and the difference between them and some Hayes HFX-9's and the costs of them both. Apparently the Juicy 7's are meant to be awesome but still cant decide.

[-DAvo]

definately go with the avids.

juicy 7's are more expensive but im running the juicy 5's on my bike and they are by far the best dsic brakes i have used! (hayes hfx 9 xc and hd, dice whiplash, shimano deore hydros, avid bb7)
the avids have an awsome lever feel to them and power by the truck load! and thats just with 6inch rotors..

i imagine the juicy 7's would only be better with the dial that allows you to fine tune the pad contact point.

hayes IMO are good brakes (apart from master cylinder problems), but for the money, you can easily get a set of juicy 5's, plus the hayes dont have the tri-align feature

good luck with it mate ;)

[craigb]

theres been heaps of posts on this before but ill say it again go the juicy 5's the red dial is not worth the $100 an end extra ( i can say this because i have the 7's) they are the best brakes around at the moment no doubt about it im unsure what hayes are worth but i beleive 5's retail for $300 an end

[jungle]

i would choose neither brake and go with shimano XT'S or Saints
with xt 6 bolt rotors, the best there is IMO as well as shimano customer service, but definitely hayes over avid, as spares and customer service in Aust for avids is rare as, Hayes spares and dirtworks customer service is really good too and every bike store stock hayes spares,also the red dials on the avid juicy 7's doesn't affect the position of the pads only the position of the levers at pad contact if you read the fine print in the avid intruction manual

cheers

[rone]

Shimano have limited stock left of the old 4-pot XT's. See if your LBS can't hook you up with a pair of them on the cheap. I don't think I'll ever get rid of mine. HFX9's are like a_holes. Every bugger's got 'em. They're okay but they don't have much 'feel' if you know what I mean. Spoke to a couple of guys up at Magpie Creek with the Avids, though and they love 'em. Juicy 5's - $300 per end. Juicy 7's - $400 per end. If you want a 'cheap' upgrade, go for Goodridge hose on your current brakes. It does make a difference.

[Pixsoul]

i would choose neither brake and go with shimano XT'S or Saints
with xt 6 bolt rotors, the best there is IMO as well as shimanocustomer service, but definitely hayes over avid, as spares andcustomer service in Aust for avids is rare as, Hayes spares anddirtworks customer service is really good too and every bike storestock hayes spares,also the red dials on the avid juicy 7's doesn'taffect the position of the pads only the position of the levers at padcontact if you read the fine print in the avid intruction manual

cheers

would have to disagree with the shimano service, in aust. as far as iwas aware, they didnt do servicing or if so it was very limited.

you will get great customer service for avids. Go into your bike shopthat stocks them and they should help you out, by either doing it atthe shop or sending them to monza imports (its funny how dirtworks isthe "consumer" supplier, not a bad thing though!) who do avid and srametc. I know that we already service the juicy's, we do everything barstuff to do with the lever, which we don't bother on any brake, if itcomes to something stuffed in the lever, then back it goes!

but its true hayes spares are on hand more, i wouldn't go hayes overthe avids. I have hayes, and they are running just about the best aHFX-9 brake set can run, which people tell me after riding, but i amstill dissapointed with them compared to my last set of juicy 7s. Whichi only sold as they didn't fit on my current fork and wheelcombination. (the caliper is pretty fat, thus all the power!)

[DW-1]

(its funny how dirtworks isthe "consumer" supplier, not a bad thing though!)

ummm...

huh?

Elvis.

[Speshul K]

theres been heaps of posts on this before but ill say it again go the juicy 5's the red dial is not worth the $100 an end extra ( i can say this because i have the 7's) they are the best brakes around at the moment no doubt about it im unsure what hayes are worth but i beleive 5's retail for $300 an end

Is that the only difference at all? Just the you can adjust the contact of the pads? juicy 5's then would have the same power and modulation I suppose? For my new brakes I'm only tossing up between the juicy fives and the juicy sevens I would just really like to know if the sevens are worth the extra $100-200. Arrgghhh stuff it I'm irresonsible with my money I'm going to get the 7's (unless anyone can convince me it's not worth it in the next 5 hours)

For me it won't really matter anyway, anything other than dice whiplash will be an improvment.........

[shane bolger]

buy hop mon minis. they kick arse.

[shane bolger]

hope mono *****

[Mitchy_Bris]

I say go the Hayes HFX 9's i have them on my bike atm and i havent had a problem with them so far, I suppose its all about the feel and what your comfortable with but yeh id go with the hayes.

Ive found that they work better on 8" rotors...i presume all types would, but just something to keep in mind when you sacrifice your precious $$$ for a set of $$$$$ brakes.

That is all

[bazza]

hope mono *****


because???

i have only heard good things about the avids. i used to be a hayes basher a bit till i got a bike with hayes mag hd's. they are awesome. not much of that mystical 'modulation' but hey they work and have a better overall feel than the armour hydros, which work fantastic btw. but yeah i would go the avids over the hayes simply because of the feel of the levers and i havent seen an avid locally with any issues but have seen several hfx 9's. although this could be something to do with the number getting around as well. better off having a ride on a bike with each one before forking out the cash though.

[iUDEX_nCr]

The Shimano XT old 4 pot's are awesome. But the new stuff has that centrelock mechanism which means you need new hubs (right?...)

THe shimano's run mineral oil, which is more 'inert' compared to dot-4 (or in the case of hopes dot-5) fuid. So if you can find the shimano's go them.

Between the Juicy 7's and HFX9's... old HFX9's had a problem with their grub screws undoing themselves, but if you keep on top of it then there's really no problem. I've seen quite a few Juicy's (5 & 7) come in for overhauls... and they just don't feel right.

I mean, what are you planning to do with them? I'm running the new HFX9's and they've been just fine. If you can't find the Shimano stuff, how much are you willing to spend? If you want aggressive XC, tail, dj, the Hope mono's have great feel, modulation, consistency, and have a top quality finish. If you're gonna go DH, the Hope M4's are awesome... but pricey...

Avid mechanical levers (I run SD7's on my XC bike... no brakes=faster :D ), but I'm not a fan of the avids hydros, simply because of how they feel.

The Mag's have better internals, and offer better modulation... if setup with the correct amount of throw.

[jungle]

been thru the exercise with shimano aust
just last week

the shimano xt 4 pots are discontinued by shimano
with limited spares but the xt 6 bolt rotors will be available for a long while yet

the shimano saints are compatable with the xt 6 bolt rotors
so you don't need to buy the splined hubs to suit the splined rotors
just buy the xt 6 bolt rotors and you'll be sweet

cheers