WTF is wrong with these DHers?

[Kram]

I just heard that a certain club just got a letter from a solicitor trying to close down a certain track where a certain state champs was just held.

Because some fucking idiots in a green ute with bikes in the back just couldn't help themselves from doing burnouts in the vicinity of the event, right outside someones house. The furious land owner has bought out in the country to have peaceful enjoyment of their land and are understandably not really interested it these little twats coming back again.

Do these riders have any idea how many people would like smash their feeble little skulls in for this stupidity. We finally have a real DH track that is world class and these puttses can't keep their dicks in their pants long enough to get home before fucking it for everyone. I hope the little wankers died in a car crash on the way home.

If you are still alive, you better hope you never get identified or you won't be alive for long. 200 downhillers will be on your ass. If anyone would like to identify them, please plaster it all over the internet so this little problem can be taken care of.

[johnny]

Um, no. Lets not start posting names up here eh? ;)

Better still, identify them to the organisers/clubs and warn them that their conduct is under scruitiny and they will be barred from all future events if their conduct does not improve.

No names here thanks, we can do without the litigation :)

Definately sound like they need a good kick up the arse (metaphorically speaking) though!

[toodles]

I just heard that a certain club just got a letter from a solicitor trying to close down a certain track where a certain state champs was just held.

You gotta be shitting me! This cannot be for real.

You fucking morons. If we lose this track, you guys deserve to be flogged. Nice work you friggen dipshits.

[four_button_arnie]

Power to the people man! ive only just joined the downhill game and already understand how much effort and commitement it takes to run an event and keep a track open and maintained and have to deal with land use issues etc. So it really pisses me off to hear that a downhiller who races at state level does not have the common sense to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner whilst at an event (representing the downhill community), if the dicks are found they should be banned from competing!!!!

Its a shame that a few losers can wreck everyone elses hard work and spoil the sport for the rest of use!!! You tools.

[LTR]

Kram, I advise that you keep this to a more adultly manner, no matter how annoyed you are. If you were to find out names of the induviduals, their number plate / bikes etc, dont go posting stuff all over the internet. Firstly consult them asking for an appology to the land owners, the mtb community, the council and the mtb club, then have the mtb club decide what to do with them, as to whether they are banned from racing... etc.

Just be wise about your decisions, as much as you'd like to knock the kids out. Goodluck.

-Alex

[toodles]

Just be wise about your decisions, as much as you'd like to knock the kids out. Goodluck.

Knock them out? That's only to keep them silent till we get them somewhere desolate and isolated.

You've got to have an idea how hard it is to get tracks in Brisbane at the moment to understand how stupid these people have been. The sport can do without these people

[johnny]

Knock them out? That's only to keep them silent till we get them somewhere desolate and isolated. :D :D :D

The sport can do without these peopleAfarkinmen!

[S.]

Farkin does not endorse or condone violence against these people, but I do.

[Snowy]

I just heard that a certain club just got a letter from a solicitor trying to close down a certain track where a certain state champs was just held.

Is there any chance that the track will be closed down?

I missed the race last weekend and am already packed awaiting the first open day, From all reports I heard it was an awesome track, I'm sure I won't be the only one who will be howling for Blood if it does get shut down :mad: :mad:

[Mugger]

Seriously thats just pure stupidity, I bet they're having a bitch about how little tracks we've got.

Idiots.

[liams]

You have got to be joking!! some dh'ers seriously need to learn some respect cause they have got no clue!

[Fallsrider]

So totally not cool. Time to bust out the pitch forks, tar and feathers :mad:

Farking hell people, use your heads.....thats the one on top of your necks duma$$. This kinda behavior ruins it for everyone and I bet you'd be the first to whinge about it if the track was closed down.

Bloody disgraceful....

[mazzer]

i am asuming this track is the illimbah come on we dont have many good dh tracks as it is so dont fuck up the ones we have by being imature idiots pull your heads in :mad:

[buckey]

Stick it to the man kram, i think they should give there bikes that tey probly work very hard for to the pissed local so he can ride it, so he know how good the track is, so he won't take action

[sammy boy]

how can you be so farkin stuoid to go and screw up a track?? i mean it stuffs it up for every one else but it also stuffs it up for the other pple wanting to ride it, it doesnt achieve anything i just dont get it :confused:

[Hopper]

A very similar thing happened here in SA, a track on National Forrest land, which we are legally allowed to ride, but not mod. One of the best tracks in SA (has road gaps, jumps....) At a race last year or two years ago, some idiot did some doughnuts and burnouts. Now forrestry SA is havign a huge crackdown on us, they really dislike Insideline now, we are lucky that they are allowing us to hold a race there next weekend!

[demo man]

it seems that everyone is saying how bad of them to have done a burnout, but let me ask you this - have you never done one?

yes, it was one of the stupidest places to be doing a burnout, and burnouts are stupid things as it is, but to me it seems like one of those things that many peole have done but very few have had problems with.

i'm not saying that i condone in anyway doing burnouts, but it seems that you may be putting a little more hipocrisy in here tha you may think...


but on the other end of the stick, the one i would like to show this moron, there is the fact that it was odne on private property! the stupidity of some never seaces to amaze me (and yes i know i spelt seaces worng, but i don't know how to spell it).

Sam


:rolleyes:

[I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11]

I find it amusing that people claim that "the sport could do without people like this" when it was born out of those very same people. I know it's hard for us to get a break, and tracks and land are hard to come by, but the day we start crying and whinging because someone wants to have a little fun, is the day the sport becomes boring.
I remember going to races where we would all hang onto the backs of utes, or jump in the tray...no one cared when riders jumped from car to car mid shuttle, and club officials themselves would lose a little traction when they felt like it.

I'm a big advocate for running mucks and being loose, if it pisses people off then it's just an inconvience.

anyway, thats my POV.....guess I like to dig my own grave

[S.]

I find it amusing that people claim that "the sport could do without people like this" when it was born out of those very same people. I know it's hard for us to get a break, and tracks and land are hard to come by, but the day we start crying and whinging because someone wants to have a little fun, is the day the sport becomes boring.
I remember going to races where we would all hang onto the backs of utes, or jump in the tray...no one cared when riders jumped from car to car mid shuttle, and club officials themselves would lose a little traction when they felt like it.

I'm a big advocate for running mucks and being loose, if it pisses people off then it's just an inconvience.

anyway, thats my POV.....guess I like to dig my own grave

It was also born of people riding rigid bikes made of hi-tensile steel. That has by and large been scrapped since.

It's all well and good to go and have fun, but you do have to be careful of who you piss off. In this case the minor fun had by doing a burnout (I suspect it may have been more than just that, cos I can't imagine anyone getting that pissed off over something like that) was somewhat outweighed by the fact that it's pissed someone off enough to complain loudly enough that there is now a threat to the track. I guess the argument to that though is that people don't expect such a tightarse reaction... but that's the world we live in I suppose.

[Kram]

I find it amusing that people claim that "the sport could do without people like this" when it was born out of those very same people. I know it's hard for us to get a break, and tracks and land are hard to come by, but the day we start crying and whinging because someone wants to have a little fun, is the day the sport becomes boring.
I remember going to races where we would all hang onto the backs of utes, or jump in the tray...no one cared when riders jumped from car to car mid shuttle, and club officials themselves would lose a little traction when they felt like it.

I'm a big advocate for running mucks and being loose, if it pisses people off then it's just an inconvience.

anyway, thats my POV.....guess I like to dig my own grave

I can't decide who to rip into first but you, dipshit, are first on my list.

A little fun eh?

Well if only you knew the history of Brisabane DH trail closure and the state of DH in our fucked up scene. And the major reasons why this has come about.

If you think you can defend yourself and others for 'running mucks and being loose' when you'd have to be a right fucking wanker to not realize that this has been the exact reason we did push runs on a 1.30min track for the state champs 2 years ago, then I suggest you start running.

I keep pretty quiet on here nowadays, but for fucks sake, I cannot understand why pussies like you who probably can't outrun someone who's been riding for 12 years and 15 years older than you, thinks that a little fun at the destruction of everything we have worked and hoped for (and used to have) is only an inconvienience. Check out the rest of the world one day and you will see that this is one of the worst places in the world to be a MTBer. The fact that Aussies are fast does nothing to diminish the fact that we have by far the worst facilities I have seen anywhere. You might think that after having the priviledge of pushing a machine (MTB) to it's limits all weekend on someone elses land, in a society that rarely allows this kind of behaviour, that you can then shit in the bed you lay and continue to have this privelidge over and over again.

I rarely get mad, but you best have more than a few young men standing beside you if you ever introduce yourself to 200 Brissy DH riders that have been working and waiting for what may have been destroyed by fucksticks like you.

Keep diggin, coz you may need a big hole.

[Kram]

I find it amusing that people claim that "the sport could do without people like this" when it was born out of those very same people.

By the way, this sport was very likely born before you were. So if you want to change the way shit works around here, you should focus on getting tracks opened rather than closed.

[scbullit]

No need to wonder why non mtb'ers dislike us when people do shit like that...Stoopid!

[Fallsrider]

I find it amusing that people claim that "the sport could do without people like this" when it was born out of those very same people. I know it's hard for us to get a break, and tracks and land are hard to come by, but the day we start crying and whinging because someone wants to have a little fun, is the day the sport becomes boring.
I remember going to races where we would all hang onto the backs of utes, or jump in the tray...no one cared when riders jumped from car to car mid shuttle, and club officials themselves would lose a little traction when they felt like it.

I'm a big advocate for running mucks and being loose, if it pisses people off then it's just an inconvience.

anyway, thats my POV.....guess I like to dig my own grave

No offence mate, but thats exactly the sorta attitude that screws up the sport for everyone. If someone wants to have a little fun, as you call it, in other words be idiots, then they shoudl go elsewhere or put that energy into their riding.

I can't even begin to wonder how you can say it's hard for us to get tracks and that people should be allowed to burnout in their cars in the same sentence. If you go around doing that sorta stuff no wonder you don't have any tracks.

[Gravjunkie]

Ok.......I think we all agree there's people that need to be killed.
Lets just get the list in correct order:
1. The burnout rednecks in the ute.
2. I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11
3. The land owners that complained.
That done, the DH track isn't under fear of being closed down and the world is rid of a few clusters!

[R33F]

Kram, have you spoken to anyone from the club since ?
Has there been any further correspondence with the land owner ?
Does the club know what can be done to appease the land owner ?

Please keep us informed.

I was out there last weekend, and although I wasnt riding, the track is amazing.

To the "brains trust" in the ute, maybe you should approach the club (carefully) and get an apology to the land owner.

and I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11, you are a book end.

[norco_downhill_rider]

I can't decide who to rip into first but you, dipshit, are first on my list.

A little fun eh?

Well if only you knew the history of Brisabane DH trail closure and the state of DH in our fucked up scene. And the major reasons why this has come about.

If you think you can defend yourself and others for 'running mucks and being loose' when you'd have to be a right fucking wanker to not realize that this has been the exact reason we did push runs on a 1.30min track for the state champs 2 years ago, then I suggest you start running.

I keep pretty quiet on here nowadays, but for fucks sake, I cannot understand why pussies like you who probably can't outrun someone who's been riding for 12 years and 15 years older than you, thinks that a little fun at the destruction of everything we have worked and hoped for (and used to have) is only an inconvienience. Check out the rest of the world one day and you will see that this is one of the worst places in the world to be a MTBer. The fact that Aussies are fast does nothing to diminish the fact that we have by far the worst facilities I have seen anywhere. You might think that after having the priviledge of pushing a machine (MTB) to it's limits all weekend on someone elses land, in a society that rarely allows this kind of behaviour, that you can then shit in the bed you lay and continue to have this privelidge over and over again.

I rarely get mad, but you best have more than a few young men standing beside you if you ever introduce yourself to 200 Brissy DH riders that have been working and waiting for what may have been destroyed by fucksticks like you.

Keep diggin, coz you may need a big hole.

Amen Brother!

[I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11]

Ok.......I think we all agree there's people that need to be killed.
2. I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11


nice, you'll get your chance.

Now let me get this straight. You would rather set an image of mountain bikers being homicidal maniacs than rednecks who do burnouts?
I just wanted to check to make sure, because making a list of people to kill is pretty phyco, isnt it? I'm sure mountain biking will be more popular with the "come to a race and murdered" ideals, rather than the scary "burnouts near races" ideal. Must be why no one goes to Summernats, or Power Cruise....like no one at all.

But youre right, DH doesn't need these people, infact these types should focus on their riding...I mean I saw a certain top 10 elite rider doing dohnuts in the car park at lithgow? Must be why he only rides in elite, and not a higher class like you. Say whay class do you ride in? Is your name Sam Hill? No? It's not? Opps.... my bad, you must be someone else....must be me tripping out from all the burnouts we did at Lithgow today after that guy set a bad example.

riders have never done that, like nathan rennie never jumped on the bonnet of Nico's car and it's roof, and jumped up and down on it. Shaun Palmer never trashed a world cup after party, shaums march never got into fights with security guards at after parties, cedric gracia never dumped pills and "had relations" with girls on a dance floor infront of everyone....

none of that happened, i think it was really done by some bmxer's or some scapegoats...i mean skateboaders...

[sammydog]

Between rubbish and people driving like tools, we almost lost a race venue here (the amazon).

I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11, burnouts, and any other activity that puts our use of the land at risk is not welcome at any of our races, and I would suggest this would be the same for any other club.

I don't give a fuck who the rider is. As far as I'm concerned continuing to have trails to ride, is far more important than individual riders. You continue to idolise people and mimic whaever it is they are doing, just don't carry on with that shit at any place where access is at risk.

[bb7 rider]

rest assured i was on the internet informing everyone in seconds!

[kona_boy]

Power to the people man! ive only just joined the downhill game and already understand how much effort and commitement it takes to run an event and keep a track open and maintained and have to deal with land use issues etc. So it really pisses me off to hear that a downhiller who races at state level does not have the common sense to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner whilst at an event (representing the downhill community), if the dicks are found they should be banned from competing!!!!

Its a shame that a few losers can wreck everyone elses hard work and spoil the sport for the rest of use!!! You tools.

yea so you can imagine what its like for people like me who been in it for 4 years, and for the people who have been in it from the start.

it only takes a couple of fuckwits to ruin everything, i forget the people in it, but i do know the ute you speak of Kram

[kona_boy]

I find it amusing that people claim that "the sport could do without people like this" when it was born out of those very same people. I know it's hard for us to get a break, and tracks and land are hard to come by, but the day we start crying and whinging because someone wants to have a little fun, is the day the sport becomes boring.
I remember going to races where we would all hang onto the backs of utes, or jump in the tray...no one cared when riders jumped from car to car mid shuttle, and club officials themselves would lose a little traction when they felt like it.

I'm a big advocate for running mucks and being loose, if it pisses people off then it's just an inconvience.

anyway, thats my POV.....guess I like to dig my own grave

get with the times man...as much we all hate it, we all have to.

in the 'old days' as you seem to be stuck in, the land owners would come hobbling out waving a cane at you as you tore off in your Kingswood.
but in this day and age, they come screaming murder, flailing lawsuits at you and siccing their lawyers on to you man.
i would like to see you take on a QC over a burnout. you havnt got buckleys chance of winning.

[Joly Joe Rider]

I'm a big advocate for running mucks and being loose, if it pisses people off then it's just an inconvience.



IF you fall and break your neck i guess that would be an inconvinience too.

how hard do we have to fight to get and keep tracks let alone building them and maintaining them to have pricks like you fuck it up.

And i have never found riding my bike boring regardless of how many wankers (sorry owner operators) were around I just like riding. If you need to do fucking around to make riding fun then maybe you should try riding more.

[thevish]

i guess, everyone.. including the guys who did it.. should band togeather and apologise.. write letter's to the land owners.. or Grab every single Dhiller you can find and stand outside there house to apologise..
.. give up one sunday of riding to humblely apologise to whomever we've offended.
no person in there right mind could ever not accept 200 apologies from 200 people who are actully sorry.

and for the little dicks in the ute... try controll your right foot. burn outs are fun.. and so is other stuff.. but there's a time, and place to do that shit.. so use your tiny little intelligence led by your tiny little pee pee and drive that vehicle somewhere where it's not a disturbance to neighbours etc etc.

[Refreshinglygood]

it seems that everyone is saying how bad of them to have done a burnout, but let me ask you this - have you never done one?

yes, it was one of the stupidest places to be doing a burnout, and burnouts are stupid things as it is, but to me it seems like one of those things that many peole have done but very few have had problems with.

i'm not saying that i condone in anyway doing burnouts, but it seems that you may be putting a little more hipocrisy in here tha you may think...


but on the other end of the stick, the one i would like to show this moron, there is the fact that it was odne on private property! the stupidity of some never seaces to amaze me (and yes i know i spelt seaces worng, but i don't know how to spell it).

Sam


:rolleyes:

Thats a good one. Never done a burn out, never felt the need to. Isn't that the point.

Make yorselves noticable, and you make yourself a target.

[Grip]

I guess the argument to that though is that people don't expect such a tightarse reaction... but that's the world we live in I suppose.

Actually I think the world we live in is one where nowhere near enough people take responsibility for their actions... bottom-line! I'm constantly (and increasingly!!!!!) dismayed by the selfish and egocentric attitudes of people nowadays.

And for anyone who is not entirely sure what that means, well it's the attitude by people that their needs come before all others... that what they feel or want is more important than anything and anyone else.

It's all very well to say "it's only a few doughnuts", but the real problem is the total lack of respect or care or thought for anyone but themselves that such behaviour displays. People either don't think about how their actions impact on others or they just don't care... and either way that is NOT just a bit of fun... it is a totally ignorant and self-indulgent way for people to move through this life and shows a total lack of respect or interest in anyone but themselves.

So who do you know that's like that? And now at least be truthful to yourself... are they a nice person? A good bloke? I doubt it. People like that are just self-centered little pussy-boys.

[Cam Hart]

Guys - the GCMB will gather all of the relevant information and deal with the matter - all good wishes are appreciated but this is a matter between the GCMB the Land owner and the complainant.

Any information you feel may assist can be pm'ed to me thanks.

[crabapple hitz]

This type of crap used to go on all the time at Red Hill in Sydney.
Guys doing burnouts and dickheads on mini bikes from the Dirt Jumps doing donuts on the main street, guys manualling down the wrong side of the road at cars.
Read the thread on what's happened there because of this crap.

People who do this stuff suck, they need to stop trying to be X-Games, Pepsi max drinking hardcore duuuuudes and understand that if we slip up once they will shut down our tracks. The councils are just sitting there waiting for something to happen so they can.

[sammydog]

The councils are just sitting there waiting for something to happen so they can.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Councils have better things to do than actively hunt down and close trails.

The problem is that we do such a good job of drawing attention to ourselves and generally pissing people off. Keep a low profile and you will find that the trails will stay even if the Council knows about them.

The thing is, we can't stop at one or two trails and have to keep expanding, modifying the area we ride, carting shit in, and generally acting like tools (burnouts, rubbish, noise, etc). That is why Councils shut us down.

[crabapple hitz]

I couldn't disagree with this more. Councils have better things to do than actively hunt down and close trails.

Your right a bit of an exaggeration on my part.

It's more that stupid behaviour gives local walkers, nimbys e.t.c something to complain to the council/forestry about.

[Grip]

With regards to the attitude of councils, there was a very interesting article in our local paper a few weeks ago regarding the Nillumbik Council's (Eltham area in Victoria) new policy re trails... they have publicly stated they are not only going to LEAVE them in place but work together with riders to ensure they are built in appropriate places and properly.

Now I can't find the article, but it was in the Diamond Valley News so if anyone has a copy post it up in case I got my facts slightly off.

Alternatively a local may wish to contact the council direct to get a copy of their policy etc.

Also of note is the fact that Nillumbik has just opened a new skate park in Eltham on the corner of Bridge and Susan streets.

Not a bad attitude and proves that you catch more flies with honey than you do with a big stick.

[Busty]

Man if this has gone and ruined it forever one...someone should have their heads kicked in...it's just bullshyt!

[S.]

Actually I think the world we live in is one where nowhere near enough people take responsibility for their actions... bottom-line! I'm constantly (and increasingly!!!!!) dismayed by the selfish and egocentric attitudes of people nowadays.

And for anyone who is not entirely sure what that means, well it's the attitude by people that their needs come before all others... that what they feel or want is more important than anything and anyone else.

It's all very well to say "it's only a few doughnuts", but the real problem is the total lack of respect or care or thought for anyone but themselves that such behaviour displays. People either don't think about how their actions impact on others or they just don't care... and either way that is NOT just a bit of fun... it is a totally ignorant and self-indulgent way for people to move through this life and shows a total lack of respect or interest in anyone but themselves.

So who do you know that's like that? And now at least be truthful to yourself... are they a nice person? A good bloke? I doubt it. People like that are just self-centered little pussy-boys.

I partly agree, but this was a burnout, not a nuclear bomb. Unless they actually damaged stuff, calling your lawyer because someone did a burnout near your house is pretty tight. Whilst doing said burnouts is obviously not a smart thing to do, calling your lawyer to try and have the track closed down strikes me as a huge overreaction. Maybe there's more to the story (damaged property etc) that we haven't heard, however.

Do I know people who do burnouts? Yes, about half of all the people I know (that said, most of them are smart enough to avoid doing it where it's going to annoy other people). Most of them are nice people, "good blokes", and not exactly self-centred pussy boys.

[johnny]

Doing burnouts near a DH track/jumps/whatever where old grumps can complain is stupid and self defeating. Do you want to continue riding these places? Then don't do burnouts near them.

Doesn't get any more simple than that really IMO.

[sammydog]

Lets think about it for a second though. Most tracks are in a semi rural/bushland type setting. People move to these areas to get away from other people and city life.

Bring in a DH or XC track, throw in a race with a lot of people and then top it off with some burnouts. Thats why there is a problem.

I can completely understand these people trying to protect the amentity of the area they chose to live in.

I'd suggest the burnout was probably the last straw for these people.

I can't see how you are making the neighbor out to be the problem here. While I don't agree with calling in lawyers, I would suggest that if any form of responsibility was shown by the riders, this issue wouldn't have eventuated.

[S.]

Lets think about it for a second though. Most tracks are in a semi rural/bushland type setting. People move to these areas to get away from other people and city life.

Bring in a DH or XC track, throw in a race with a lot of people and then top it off with some burnouts. Thats why there is a problem.

I can completely understand these people trying to protect the amentity of the area they chose to live in.

I'd suggest the burnout was probably the last straw for these people.

I can't see how you are making the neighbor out to be the problem here. While I don't agree with calling in lawyers, I would suggest that if any form of responsibility was shown by the riders, this issue wouldn't have eventuated.

I'm not making the neighbour out to be the problem, I'm saying that in MY opinion, that is a gross overreaction to something that I AGREE should not have been done. It's like if someone comes up and pushes you out of the blue, pushing back might be justified but whipping out a shotgun and shooting him in the face at point blank is an overreaction... but the push was still what started it.

[bb7 rider]

ohhh dont get me started on shotguns and mini bikes

[sammydog]

It's like if someone comes up and pushes you out of the blue, pushing back might be justified but whipping out a shotgun and shooting him in the face at point blank is an overreaction... but the push was still what started it.

You don't think that pushing someone with a shotgun is just asking for trouble? :D

[Grip]

Actually I think the world we live in is one where nowhere near enough people take responsibility for their actions... bottom-line! I'm constantly (and increasingly!!!!!) dismayed by the selfish and egocentric attitudes of people nowadays.

And for anyone who is not entirely sure what that means, well it's the attitude by people that their needs come before all others... that what they feel or want is more important than anything and anyone else.

It's all very well to say "it's only a few doughnuts", but the real problem is the total lack of respect or care or thought for anyone but themselves that such behaviour displays. People either don't think about how their actions impact on others or they just don't care... and either way that is NOT just a bit of fun... it is a totally ignorant and self-indulgent way for people to move through this life and shows a total lack of respect or interest in anyone but themselves.

So who do you know that's like that? And now at least be truthful to yourself... are they a nice person? A good bloke? I doubt it. People like that are just self-centered little pussy-boys.

I partly agree, but this was a burnout, not a nuclear bomb. Unless they actually damaged stuff, calling your lawyer because someone did a burnout near your house is pretty tight. Whilst doing said burnouts is obviously not a smart thing to do, calling your lawyer to try and have the track closed down strikes me as a huge overreaction. Maybe there's more to the story (damaged property etc) that we haven't heard, however.

Do I know people who do burnouts? Yes, about half of all the people I know (that said, most of them are smart enough to avoid doing it where it's going to annoy other people). Most of them are nice people, "good blokes", and not exactly self-centred pussy boys.

Well it hasn't happened often (that I've seen) but Steve, you have missed my point by SO much it isn't funny. Don't forget that my quote above was in DIRECT response to this...


I guess the argument to that though is that people don't expect such a tightarse reaction... but that's the world we live in I suppose.


I am in no way suggesting that a burnout is the end of the world, but I am CERTAINLY saying that the who-gives-a-fuck attitude is typical of the self centered little pussy boys who seem to make ego-centricity their life's work.

[SoniX]

wtf. what a bunch of dick heads (in the green ute) and that i am the fastest

[kona_boy]

This type of crap used to go on all the time at Red Hill in Sydney.
Guys doing burnouts and dickheads on mini bikes from the Dirt Jumps doing donuts on the main street, guys manualling down the wrong side of the road at cars.
Read the thread on what's happened there because of this crap.

People who do this stuff suck, they need to stop trying to be X-Games, Pepsi max drinking hardcore duuuuudes and understand that if we slip up once they will shut down our tracks. The councils are just sitting there waiting for something to happen so they can.

ditto


its like all these noobs thinking that own the roads as soon as they get their P's. little do they know that cops actually WAIT FOR THEM AND WATCH THEM until they do the slightest thing wrong. they know the risks and the consequenses yet they still go and fuck it for themselves and everyone else.
they then continue to jump up down when their car gets impounded thinking its their god given right to drag on public roads.

you drag, hoon (i mean really hoon...not spin the wheel by acident at the lights), etc etc you lose you license, your car and your respect.

you burnout on the landowner of an incredible track land, you lose the track, get a fine, and get shunned by a thousand other riders.

same principal as what crabapple said

[kona_boy]

i also agree that siccing your lawyer onto someone over a burnout is an over reaction.

BUT ITS THE YEAR 2005. YOU CAN SUE SOMEONE FOR SELF DEFENCE AND YOU JUST ABOUT NEED A LICENSE TO TIE UP YOUR SHOES.

as much as I and everyone else hates to admit, a burnout on someones or near someones private land is as good a reason to shutdown a track as any in their eyes.
i can understand the people getting cut at the gross over reaction...but i cant understand the people actually doing the burnout in the first place...go do it on your own property or take it to a race track.

i bet they would be pissed off if i came and played 4x4 extreme in my Landcruiser through their house would they not.

Peaceful riders may the force be with you.
Riders who are pissed at the overreaction, the dark side is tempting, do not give in.
Dickheads burning out, the dark side leads to death...but its not too late to make ammends
(i have been playing KOTOR for the last week...Star Wars is incredibly addictive)

[S.]

Well it hasn't happened often (that I've seen) but Steve, you have missed my point by SO much it isn't funny. Don't forget that my quote above was in DIRECT response to this...



I am in no way suggesting that a burnout is the end of the world, but I am CERTAINLY saying that the who-gives-a-fuck attitude is typical of the self centered little pussy boys who seem to make ego-centricity their life's work.

And I'm saying that I don't think anyone would have expected such a harsh retaliation for doing a burnout. Had the guy NOT complained, I very much doubt anyone would have even so much bothered to mention these supposed egocentric bastards. Had they known that the neighbour would have been so pissed off, would they still have done it? I very much doubt it. If someone came and did a burnout right in front of my house, I'd probably think they were tools, and if they were *that* bad I might even call the cops (in theory anyway, chances are that it wouldn't bother me to start with), but who can genuinely say they'd expect solicitors to be called over a burnout? And no, I'm not missing your point, I just don't see how not foreseeing that kind of reaction is somehow egocentric, selfish, blah blah evil terrorism armageddon whatever. It's minor hooning, as if you'd expect to be threatened with legal action for doing that no matter how much you thought it through.

[S.]

you burnout on the landowner of an incredible track land, you lose the track, get a fine, and get shunned by a thousand other riders.

Was the burnout actually done on someone's private land (presumably where the track is)? I got the impression that it was not, simply by the fact that they've gone to solicitors rather than just told the club to fuck off and not come back again. If it was however, that is truly stupid.

[Ryan]

Has anyone figured out just HOW this one complainant is going to magically effect the closure of a track that's built on private land? Last time I checked, I could build whatever the hell I wanted on my land and keep it there indefinitely (within reason) and there's not a damn thing you fuckers could do about it!

While I imagine that this guy could make the hosting of future events a hassle by lodging objections with the Gold Coast council, I can't see that Illinbah is all of a sudden going to be closed unless my understanding of the legal issues behind this sort of thing is waaaay off.

[johnny]

And I'm saying that I don't think anyone would have expected such a harsh retaliation for doing a burnout. Had the guy NOT complained, I very much doubt anyone would have even so much bothered to mention these supposed egocentric bastards. Had they known that the neighbour would have been so pissed off, would they still have done it? I very much doubt it. If someone came and did a burnout right in front of my house, I'd probably think they were tools, and if they were *that* bad I might even call the cops (in theory anyway, chances are that it wouldn't bother me to start with), but who can genuinely say they'd expect solicitors to be called over a burnout? And no, I'm not missing your point, I just don't see how not foreseeing that kind of reaction is somehow egocentric, selfish, blah blah evil terrorism armageddon whatever. It's minor hooning, as if you'd expect to be threatened with legal action for doing that no matter how much you thought it through.
I agree to a certain extent, I couldn't care less about burnouts myself.

BUT, I think the location is the biggest issue here. You don't go doing burnouts out the front of your own house at 2am because it stands the chance of drawing heat upon yourself. Same goes at a DH track/mates house/pub/wherever you have a vested interest. We all have an interest in access to tracks and seeing as this is the case I think doing anything that may jeapardise (that's not the right spelling huh...?) said access is foolish and lacks forethought.

It's no secret that some, if not many, people don't appreciate burnouts in their imediate vicinity. Therefore one must/should be a little more selective of where one burns rubber. It's far from unforeseeable that a local resident may take offence to having it done out front of their house and react adversely.


I'm writing an essay right now hence the wank speak......

[johnny]

Has anyone figured out just HOW this one complainant is going to magically effect the closure of a track that's built on private land? Last time I checked, I could build whatever the hell I wanted on my land and keep it there indefinitely (within reason) and there's not a damn thing you fuckers could do about it!

Hmmm, damn fine question that one!

[R33F]

played 4x4 extreme in my Landcruiser through their house

:eek: :eek: :eek:

YOU PLAY 4 X 4 EXTREME AS WELL !!!!!

I wonder if the "green ute" owners front lawn is big enough for 2 'cruisers ?

seriously,

I wonder if the "green ute" owner is big enough to apologise ? Has there been any more news from GCMC ??

[R33F]

Has anyone figured out just HOW this one complainant is going to magically effect the closure of a track that's built on private land? Last time I checked, I could build whatever the hell I wanted on my land and keep it there indefinitely (within reason) and there's not a damn thing you fuckers could do about it!

Agreed Ryan, but I could make it farkin hard for you if I was your neighbour.
Noise Complaints, Parking of Shuttle Buses, not to mention the slightest bit of rubbish that blew onto my land. So I guess it would be in the best interest of the owner to keep it all friendly ??

[kona_boy]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

YOU PLAY 4 X 4 EXTREME AS WELL !!!!!

I wonder if the "green ute" owners front lawn is big enough for 2 'cruisers ?

seriously,

I wonder if the "green ute" owner is big enough to apologise ? Has there been any more news from GCMC ??

:D





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[S.]

I agree to a certain extent, I couldn't care less about burnouts myself.

BUT, I think the location is the biggest issue here. You don't go doing burnouts out the front of your own house at 2am because it stands the chance of drawing heat upon yourself. Same goes at a DH track/mates house/pub/wherever you have a vested interest. We all have an interest in access to tracks and seeing as this is the case I think doing anything that may jeapardise (that's not the right spelling huh...?) said access is foolish and lacks forethought.

It's no secret that some, if not many, people don't appreciate burnouts in their imediate vicinity. Therefore one must/should be a little more selective of where one burns rubber. It's far from unforeseeable that a local resident may take offence to having it done out front of their house and react adversely.


I'm writing an essay right now hence the wank speak......

Yeah I'm all for NOT jeopardising access to tracks, but (maybe due to the fact that I'm young and not offended by people doing burnouts or swearing or not giving their train seats up to 50yr old women) I still don't think that having solicitors called would be a reasonably foreseeable scenario for anyone debating the merits of dropping a burnout on the way home. I'm still surprised that anyone cared enough to do *anything*, let alone call their lawyer. Call the cops yeah maybe, even take their numberplate and make an official complaint, or complain to the club etc... but the more I think about it, the more that reaction appears to be completely over the top (given what little we actually know about it from here).

That all said, it does depend on context and stuff (as in how close were they really to the house, was it 3am, was there 50 people standing round in a circle cheering, was it on the complainant's property, was anything damaged, blah blah). I'm still trying to work out a situation that could have been severe enough to warrant such a reaction though.

[johnny]

Yeah, I agree, the lawyer thing is waaay over the top, that's for sure!

Some people aren't happy unless they're unhappy.......

[Morry]

I currently am living in cairns and we have had similar problems in the past. You might have read about the same track we had for nationals last year being in negotiation with gov departments and the university in which the access track crosses we had to miss out on hosting the nationals again this year and that track took a lot of work from mainly a select group of the club and now its just sitting there not being ridden. We found out which members of the club were making all the trouble and dissallowed them to race in any of our events trust me there is nothing worse than being alienated and not being able to ride this should be the best solution and even if you cant find them appologise on thier behalf anyway to save your track.

[Joly Joe Rider]

Or maybe we should all act like fools like I am the fastest is suggesting because that will make us pros like rennie and gracia and palmer.
And that way we wont winge about trails being knocked down because people will be building them for us.
Grow up mate. justifying your actions because someone who is more famous than yourself done it too is lame. Or maybe you don't realize that there is a huge list of DH pro riders that most probably don't act like scum in front of the world.

[R33F]

if you cant find them appologise on thier behalf anyway to save your track.
Best suggestion yet.
Just waiting on someone from GCMC to let us know whats going on.

[sammydog]

Has anyone figured out just HOW this one complainant is going to magically effect the closure of a track that's built on private land? Last time I checked, I could build whatever the hell I wanted on my land and keep it there indefinitely (within reason) and there's not a damn thing you fuckers could do about it!

While I imagine that this guy could make the hosting of future events a hassle by lodging objections with the Gold Coast council, I can't see that Illinbah is all of a sudden going to be closed unless my understanding of the legal issues behind this sort of thing is waaaay off.

Under NSW legislation the construction of berms (depending on location earthworks may require a Part 3A permit under the Rivers and Foreshores Improvement Act., add to that the various environmentl legislation that could be brought up), structures or the temporary use of the land for an event may require DA approval, so there is quiet a bit that a neighbour could do to fuck things up.

I don't know if this holds true in queensland.

Part of my job is investigating illegal land use, and this complain may seem petty and trivial, but it is nothing compared to others we receive.

[Gravjunkie]

nice, you'll get your chance.

Now let me get this straight. You would rather set an image of mountain bikers being homicidal maniacs than rednecks who do burnouts?
I just wanted to check to make sure, because making a list of people to kill is pretty phyco, isnt it? I'm sure mountain biking will be more popular with the "come to a race and murdered" ideals, rather than the scary "burnouts near races" ideal. Must be why no one goes to Summernats, or Power Cruise....like no one at all.

But youre right, DH doesn't need these people, infact these types should focus on their riding...I mean I saw a certain top 10 elite rider doing dohnuts in the car park at lithgow? Must be why he only rides in elite, and not a higher class like you. Say whay class do you ride in? Is your name Sam Hill? No? It's not? Opps.... my bad, you must be someone else....must be me tripping out from all the burnouts we did at Lithgow today after that guy set a bad example.

riders have never done that, like nathan rennie never jumped on the bonnet of Nico's car and it's roof, and jumped up and down on it. Shaun Palmer never trashed a world cup after party, shaums march never got into fights with security guards at after parties, cedric gracia never dumped pills and "had relations" with girls on a dance floor infront of everyone....

none of that happened, i think it was really done by some bmxer's or some scapegoats...i mean skateboaders...
All right....no killing then.....how about being shot with a ball of thier own shit?

[CrookS]

Was it a good burnout???????
Isnt that a matter for the police not the club i didnt read into it much but i thought i would jump in anyway. If it was on a public road leaving the event its really outta the organisers hands......


REALLY tell the old guy to get over it. Burnouts are just away to show everyone your still there.

[I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11]

Or maybe we should all act like fools like I am the fastest is suggesting because that will make us pros like rennie and gracia and palmer.
And that way we wont winge about trails being knocked down because people will be building them for us.
Grow up mate. justifying your actions because someone who is more famous than yourself done it too is lame. Or maybe you don't realize that there is a huge list of DH pro riders that most probably don't act like scum in front of the world.


you missed my point entirely, but it's ok

I'm going to say sorry to Kram, for supporting rednecks, at the QLD national round

[Slave]

I love how there was a lot of posts directly agressive against I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11. And here I was thinking forums are for free speach and for giving out your point of view. Seems like you get slammed on Farkin when your point of view is not consistent with the majority. It's just your point of view, not the end of the world. Working out who should be nuked because of their perspective is not yours??? Come on.

I'm not trying to talk this item down. Just give everyone the right to their say

[Rik]

Just give everyone the right to their saySo someone has their say... and then others have a right to their say, which may be a rebuttal. Is there anything wrong with that?

[johnny]

I love how there was a lot of posts directly agressive against I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11. And here I was thinking forums are for free speach and for giving out your point of view. Seems like you get slammed on Farkin when your point of view is not consistent with the majority. It's just your point of view, not the end of the world. Working out who should be nuked because of their perspective is not yours??? Come on.

I'm not trying to talk this item down. Just give everyone the right to their say
Just as he has a right to say, people have a right to reply. If his views may lend towards a threat in our sport, then he should expect a harsh response.

As you said, everybody has a right to their own opinion.

[kona_boy]

So someone has their say... and then others have a right to their say, which may be a rebuttal. Is there anything wrong with that?

owned...looks like you have 2 quotes in my sig now man

[roxby]

To those that will attend the next event, and the next two after that, keep your eyes out for a green ute, that would be the most sensible way of finding these guys.. then you can.. console them..
if they had bikes and were at one event, nature would hold the fact that they would be in fact at the next as well

Did anyone see what bikes they were riding?..

[fallboy]

I think we can see two kinds of people here:


1) Those who will sacrifice bad behaviour for mountain biking.

2) Those who will sacrifice mountain biking for bad behavior.

I mean lets all have fun, but lets not do at the expense of our chosen sport.......

[I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11]

what if your chosen sport WAS to rock up at races, ride, and then do burn outs?

[fatnold]

Farkin does not endorse or condone violence against these people, but I do.
touche` S. lets get through all this PC shit.

[johnny]

what if your chosen sport WAS to rock up at races, ride, and then do burn outs?
Then my chosen sport will become throwing large heavy objects at cars doing burnouts at races ;)

[I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11]

lucky I ordered that armor plating in time for the nats series then.....

just hope you didnt keep any of those land mines from your militay days

[Kram]

what if your chosen sport WAS to rock up at races, ride, and then do burn outs?

Wow. That sounds like a lot of fun.

Too bad that the more burnouts you do, the shittier your tracks get. If you like the idea of rocking up to a race at Ipswich, pushing your bike up the hill and then pedalling your ass off all the way down for 1.20mins, then welcome to QLD State Champs 2003. There is bit of an area there that you could probably get away with doing a few donuts, blasting your stereo with humpa humpa gangster rap, pulling a few cones and then tossing your beer bottle out the window. You would likely even be able to get back in there the next week and do it all again. Pull some cones and push your bike.

But if you like the idea if riding on a 4 1/2 minute track with bitumen shuttles and some of the best terrain in SEQ, then you have to wait until you get out front of your own house before acting like a wanker.

The choice, unfortunately, is left up to all DHers. And someone made that choice on behalf of all of us at Illinbah.

Now I'm not saying that a solicitors letter is or is not over the top, because that is not the issue. The issue is that EVERYONE in SEQ who races, knows how delicate the situation is for ALL of us here in the DH scene. We have seen nothing but track closures and shithouse facilities. If someone gives you a chance, you shouldn't spit in their face.

So do us all a favour. Have fun doing all the burnouts you like. Just not at our races.

[Refreshinglygood]

Nothing like a little mental masturbation.

I like how there is eight pages of people crapping on about rebutals, and opinion.

Your trails are at risk, not opinion.

There seems to be a lot of users that are fond of an argument for arguments sake.


I would have thought that this was a pretty straight forward issue


IE, moral to the story, respect other trail users, respect local land owners, and try not to piss non mountain bikers of, but i guess this point has been lost.

[johnny]

There seems to be a lot of users that are fond of an argument for arguments sake.
No there's not.

[I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11]

well I'm only joking around here really, I gave up arguing my side of it along time ago....

All I really want to know is if kram is old enough to drive, hah I'm just kidding, but really... I do want to know

[Refreshinglygood]

No there's not.


yes there is, no returns

[johnny]

Well I'm thinking that this thread has pretty much served its intended purpose and we're all more or less in agreeance. Burnouts that risk our track access is frowned upon and God help anyone within rock throwing range that continues the practice ;)

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