2 Stop mottobikes from ridin [Archive]

Loudvq

12-09-2005, 08:41 PM

Octane_Matty

12-09-2005, 09:08 PM

find a shitload of logs and put them over the start and end of the track...better option would be cut down a huge tree, though then they will create new routes

ill get back to you with a better idea

shmity

12-09-2005, 09:09 PM

Punji sticks.

oz-freerider

12-09-2005, 09:10 PM

land mines

johnny

12-09-2005, 09:11 PM

Just a question, why is it your track and not theirs?

I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11

12-09-2005, 09:19 PM

I have an idea, how about you ask the riders not to ride on your tracks? In most cases moto riders were in the area a million years before mtbers were going there so you havent got much claim.

If it was me I would probably ride a moto there anyway and be one of the people ruining your track

a_harbour

12-09-2005, 10:33 PM

Yep id be tearin up the tracks on a moto too if i could afford one

sxereturn

12-09-2005, 10:35 PM

Dozer

13-09-2005, 06:58 AM

In most cases, there isn't enough downhillers riding a track consistently enough to keep it in good condition. If there wasn't any motos riding it, there wouldn't be an open track to ride on.
I've had moto's riding up and down the local tracks here and without them, our track would be overgrown and crap. I don't have a problem with moto's except for a collision with one of them coming up the trail when we're going down.
I reckon its simple- without moto's riding our tracks, we wouldn't have them.
Or you could fork out you're own money for security guards and have them monitor the place!

Refreshinglygood

13-09-2005, 07:15 AM

Who is the land manager.

If it is NPWS land, and moto's are not allowed, make friends with your local branch of the NPWS, then report the offenders, this will keep the MTB profile up, as well as take care of the environment. (if they have no licence plates, find the truck, van that brought them in, and take down the rego, call the cops.

If it is crown land,

probably nothing you can do.

If it is private land.

You probably shouldn't be their either unless you know the owner, if you do know the owner, be their best bud, the world is your oyster.

For all those throttle jockeys out their that are thinking about having a crack at me for trying to get dirt bike riders fined, forget it, you'll get no response from me. If your not supposed to be their, their is probably a good reason.

pooch911

13-09-2005, 07:48 AM

Wat is it with mtb's hating people that ride dirtbikes you all give MOTOCROSS a bad name its not the people who race its bogans who steel bikes that ride around the bush in local areas might be some races who are but get over it are they really doing that much damage stop sooken!

powermutant

13-09-2005, 08:29 AM

Who is the land manager.

If it is NPWS land, and moto's are not allowed, make friends with your local branch of the NPWS, then report the offenders, this will keep the MTB profile up

Except for the minor point that MTBs are probably not meant to be there either.

Cheers,
Doug

Wayno

13-09-2005, 08:34 AM

As a club we pay the State forest money to use the land which has been provided to us at Ourimbah State Forest, and it is a big forest and we only have a small part of it. We then have built all of our tracks as a club so that we have somewhere to ride and race staying in the area provided to us and it shit me to tears when it it is a huge State forest with plenty of areas for moto's to ride (and I have nothing against moto riders some of my really good friends are moto riders) but why do they have to ride our tracks and tear the shit out of them. I'm all for everyone having fun but never at the exspense of others. So please don't ride on our tracks use the rest of the forest there is plenty of it

captainmorgan

13-09-2005, 08:40 AM

Best way is to make a big enough drop that the motos can get up, makeing sure there is a lot of crap (dense bush) on either side of the drop. So their only way up would be to somehow make their way around.

LV10

13-09-2005, 08:44 AM

Don't hate moto's - they're heaps of fun.

But unfortunately from a track maintenance perspective, they absolutely rip the F&*% out of some the carefully made singletrack we have. Everyone has to ride somewhere, and those places are getting scarcer.

The only advice I can give is make the entry and exit to the track inaccessible on wheels. ie use logs, rocks or start it with a dropoff. Better yet, make it so the start of the track is accessible on foot only, and so you can't see it if you were walking past - we have one track where you have to carry your bike 20yards into the scrub to find the trailhead. The less visible the track, the fewer people ride it (moto or mtb) and the longer it will last.

As one of the other posts points out, not many tracks are legal anyway so get used to sharing, or be prepared to put a bit more thought into how long you wish to keep riding "your" track by staying under the radar.

PS. Please don't cut any trees down.

Refreshinglygood

13-09-2005, 08:46 AM

Except for the minor point that MTBs are probably not meant to be there either.

Cheers,
Doug

Thats right, but still lack of education has been a big issue with NPWS in Newcastle. When they where taken on a tour of our local trails, they had no idea about the diff between MTB and dirt bikes, hence the suggestion to start up a good relationship. Have a chat with them and you will find good things can happen.

We actually got (potential) access to new areas just by developing a good relationship with the managers.

Refreshinglygood

13-09-2005, 08:49 AM

Don't hate moto's - they're heaps of fun.

I don't dislike moto's or their riders, I just get the shits when other's fun, comes at the expense of others fun.

The local mini moto riders (as well as moto) are shreading our local mecca, they say that we are ruining their fun, we say they are ruining ours.

They are probably a great bunch of blokes.

This isn't a personal thing, it's all about sustaining my sport.

I've had many a moto myself.

sammydog

13-09-2005, 10:07 AM

Like the Cental Coast Club, we too have issues with motos (including mini motos) on our club tracks.

We negotiate access every year for access to the land for our trails, and periodically no moto signs go up (and come back down just as quick). At the moment a lot of our XC trails and bridges are stuffed from moto use and the DH trails don't fair any better.

I'm all for moto's having access to trails, but not on ours when they aren't supposed to be there.

Same goes for with in Glenrock NP. As refreshingly good stated, the NPWS weren't aware of the differece in damage caused by Moto's and Mtb's. After we took them on a tour of the trails their attitude toward Mtb's shifted. At this stage we are still allowed to legally ride there and some of the moto damage that had been attributed to us was reasons the NPWS had been giving for our removal. Personally, I have no issues at all with reporting bike rego's, models, time of offence to the NPWS and they do follow the issue up.

Like I said, I'm all for moto access (I ride one myself) but like Mtb's, not in illegal areas.

If your trails are built illegally, then its a bit rich to be acomplaining about motos ripping up your favourite piece of dirt.

As for the suggestion that cutting down a large tree would be a good way to stop moto's. Please do our sport a huge favour and piss off. That sort of behavior will loose us a hell of a lot more trails than motos destroy.

pooch911

13-09-2005, 12:54 PM

This is not going to sort anything out for fuck sake its a mtb website dirtbike riders dont rear this so nothin is going to happen so get over it and put up with it or actually do something about it besides bitching about it!

Refreshinglygood

13-09-2005, 02:14 PM

do something about it besides bitching about it!

I thought the point was to figure out what a good thing to do was.

Come on pooch, you did read the first post didn't you, how would you help keep them of legal mtb trails?

pooch911

13-09-2005, 02:46 PM

I dont really have that problem due to not heaps of riding but it is a hard thing to work out but just lay of the work motoriders cause thast directs it to all people who ride own or race motocross and belive me 99.9% of the people who are tearing up your local tracks r BOGANS...

Refreshinglygood

13-09-2005, 05:16 PM

99.9% of the people who are tearing up your local tracks r BOGANS...

OK then Pooch, how do you keep the "bogan" moto riders of the legal mtb trails.

thats a big call though 99.9% of moto riders don't rip up the trails, hmmm, not to sure about that one, anyway,

how do you keep the bogan's out?

(better go get my mullet cut of)

Adrian

15-09-2005, 02:48 PM

Find out where they live and steal their sparkplugs. That'll stop them good.

Also actually having the right to be there yourself first is a huge step towards exclusive access to your track.
I guess if that is the case, then keeping an eye out and report them, take rego details, etc. Moto riders aren't the only guys who'll ride a track intended for something else...

spinner

15-09-2005, 05:00 PM

Last night , I tried this:

" I wish you F****** noisy c**** would f*** off of the hill! Ya f****** noisy track rippin up c**** !"

The response : "Hows get f****** sound?"

My response: " Oh , you've got me there, how can I beat that? You're a genius"

So , yeah , that didn't work.

4 of them , no rego , no helmets (no brains) on trails that are used legally by walkers , horse riders and mtbers , doing 80ks arond blind corners.

Morons. Makes me want to get violent.

mattvincent

15-09-2005, 08:58 PM

find a shitload of logs and put them over the start and end of the track...better option would be cut down a huge tree, though then they will create new routes

ill get back to you with a better idea

Have you seen some of the logs that motorbike riders can get over.?, they are massive. i used to be a motorbike rider to but couldnt afford it in the end so sold it and got a better bike. Dad still has 3 of them and i have nothing against it, But not to say that there arent some rednecks out there who just want to do burn outs and wheel spin every where.

demo man

15-09-2005, 10:15 PM

But not to say that there are some some rednecks out there who just want to do burn outs and wheel spin every where.

so you don't think that there are any rednecks who like to do burnouts?!?! i'd wager a large amount of $$$ to say there are!

it's a serious issue, in Canberra CORC has loads of trouble with motos particulaly in Kowen, wrecking our MONT track! :eek:

here, we think that part of the problem is that riders don't know it's a mtb trail, not a moto trail. the other part is wankers who think 'haha, fucking mtbers, lets run em down! haha!!" (not actual quote - probably exadurated)

i would be very intersted to see what people can come up with to stop motos riding trails, it's a very dificult one! they can jump bigger, go faster, ride UP what we have truble riding down - seems quite a tight spot!

maybe some form of electro-magnetic feild, one that will kill the electronics in the engine's? (i know there is a 3 letter name for it, but im stuffed i can remember it)

actually, that is a good idea, other than the fact that a system like that would cost a friggin truckload.
so, anyone got some better ideas??
and keep in mind this isn't just for DH trails - a XC trail with a 12ft drop isn't a great idea, nor is a race DH trail with a start point hidden 20m in the bush.

P.S.
i felt colorful :p

LV10

16-09-2005, 08:54 AM

maybe some form of electro-magnetic feild, one that will kill the electronics in the engine's? (i know there is a 3 letter name for it, but im stuffed i can remember it)

EMP - Electro Magnetic Pulse. Cooks all electronics.

Only prob is the best way to generate one is a nuclear explosion.

Probably a little too extreme.

How about wearing some bike gear that resembles a NPWS officer or a copper. They won't hang around long enough to see if u r legit or not.....

Nah f*&% it...that's the lamest suggestion yet.

I got nothing.....gone.

neek

16-09-2005, 08:52 PM

theres nothing worse than bogans on moto's.
grassy valley in tasmania, is ALWAYS getting molestered by moto's, even though there illegal they still come and scare the living shit outta you.
the best solution i could come up with is get to a safe distance and start throwing rocks and then if they folow
run

or call the cops, if there not alowed on the land

neek

Deniss

16-09-2005, 09:05 PM

just buy one or these and just mow them down it should stop them

exvitermini

17-09-2005, 12:58 AM

hit_man

17-09-2005, 12:09 PM

Let it be known i have NOTHING against moto riders, many of my friends ride them and i occasionally ride them when i get a chance.

My local tracks (yes they ARE legal) have had a pretty bad problem with the local dirt bike riders in recent times(we dont mind if they are sticking to the fire roads but they are usually ripping up the tracks instead), it is illegal for any sort of motorised vehicle to be driven on the land that the tracks are situated on, i have reported the riding of motorbikes and driving of 4x4's on the land several times and nothing can be done to them unless they get caught( this is near impossible because of the extremely large amount of ways you can enter and exit the area). I have confronted a few of these riders and told them it was illegal to ride there and they were destroying our tracks that we have worked extremely hard to build. Most of them didnt know it was illegal to ride there and didnt know they were doing so much damage to our tracks and after i explained it to them they kindly appologised, went on their way and said they would stick to the fire roads from now on. But a few riders have been not as nice to confront when you tell them it is illegal to ride there and that they are tearing up our tracks they laugh in your face, 'roost' you and tear off down the tracks dilleberately after you have asked them not to, usually blowing out every berm on their way down.

So when i was rebuilding the berms they were blowing out, i remembered what one of my mates that rides a moto had told me it was that people were hammering star pickets into their berms and when they went around them and accelerated out(spinning the wheels 90% of the time) the star pickets tore the absolute shit out of their tires nearly rendering them useless. so when i was rebuilding the berms on the DH tracks i hammered star pickets into them and covered them with dirt and packed the dirt in around them so that if you came round the berm on a mtb you wouldnt hit them, but if you came round there on a moto and tried to rip the shit out of the berm you would hit a nice sharp star picket and fuck up your tire. ive had to cover the star pickets back up a couple of times but i havent had any problems with the motos blowing the shit out of them since.

maybe you could hammer some into the run into your jumps (where the motos usually accelerate to hit the jump) and cover them with dirt. Im not 100% sure it will work but it is worth a try. Only do this if it is a legal track and the motos arent supposed to be there by law or if it is your private propperty.

Hope this helps.
Cheers.

demo man

17-09-2005, 01:19 PM

that's not a bad idea there mate.

although, like you said you have to re-cover the berms with dirt every so often. trail maintenace is a crappy issue, especially when you are talking about 30km long XC loops.

CORC is working to get signs posted a distance into the trails (so as to NOT advertise their enterance) that say motos are illegal and this a mtb track and it gets fucked from motos etc. - that may get rid of some of the more intelligent of the riders.

we also have the rangers patroling the areas more often in the lead up to races.

but they still get fucked up.
tough issue.

the star piket thing will work on DH tracks though, just bang em into the top and bottom berms yeah (4 or 5 in a row) and the lips of thebigger jumps.

as for EMP, well i'm sure there is a source that will create a strong enough feild to kill a moto engine that doesnt cause the mass destruction part.
it's just making it a constant feild, and getting power to the source, and the money to buy the source, that's the problem.

Rik

17-09-2005, 01:36 PM

as for EMP, well i'm sure there is a source that will create a strong enough feild to kill a moto engine What if it's a 2 stroke? :D

demo man

17-09-2005, 02:07 PM

What if it's a 2 stroke? :D

what, don't 2 stokes have electronics?

please excuse my total lack of moto knowledge

smitho

17-09-2005, 04:14 PM

Its a little less technical than the EMP but what about specially trained hobbits in trees with crossbows and poison arrows.....?

johnny

17-09-2005, 04:18 PM

Seems to me that this thread is a waste of time anyway.

Loudqv posted the question yet hasn't been back since.

Anyway, whilst you're all talking about motorbikes, he was asking about mottobikes. So you're all barking up the wrong tree in the first place :p

Loudvq

17-09-2005, 04:34 PM

your funny mate. it seems to me that this is a touchy subject that a few people have something to say. and sorry if you are tryin to point out that i cant spell i have a LEARNING DISABILITY [feel free to call me what ever name you want, I'll just edit it everytime. Plus, it certainly wasn't an outright go at you, it was all in jest mate. But hey, go ahead and get worked up over it, works for me! Johnny ;) ].

but that idea about puttin star pickets in is pretty sweet thanks

hit_man

17-09-2005, 06:02 PM

No probs mate as long as it helps.

But like i said ive only tried it on berms but i dont see why you couldnt do the same for the jumps that are getting torn up, give it a go i suppose its worth a try.

Cheers
Colin.

johnny

18-09-2005, 12:23 AM

Just a thought, would motos cause the same damage if they rode in the same direction as the MTB's? Maybe that could be a way to go. Speak to them or post small signs requesting that the track be riden downhill and then all can share.

Darkness

18-09-2005, 01:12 AM

We had some moto riders on our DH track a while back and its private property. We seen them there and just sat up on 1 of the jumps and watched them and as soon as they seen us they were off. But some people are just dumb MTB or MX, i caught up with 1 of the moto riders by coincidence (sp) and told him it was private property, the response was "i just live up the road so Im not worried". Ive spoken to the land owner about it and suggested a chain around the gate with a few padlocks on it and keys for people who are aloud to ride there and use his land. Short of that, if some 1 on a motor bike realy wants to ride "your" track there is basicly nothing you can do, other than extreme measures such as the EMP or tesla coils and electricute the fuckers. (no offence indended to the "non-brain dead" riders out there) If the property cant be secured with gates or what ever best option is to speak to them if you can, if they are head fucked like the dude I spoke to, bring out the tesla coils I say.

Wayno

19-09-2005, 08:44 AM

sure its not your friends?

It is not people I know because while they ride moto's, a lot of them are also MTB riders and the ones that arn't MTB'ers ride with the people who are. They have respect for the club and our tracks.
Thank you for your quote.

I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11

19-09-2005, 12:46 PM

I was riding out at Red Hill today, doing some of the ole XC type trail through there and I came a cross a Moto rider. I gave him a way and he gave me a nod and a hello and we went seperate ways. Moto riders have been riding those tracks for near 30 years and they are all fine, makes for good riding infact.
You need to remember these guys are in the same boat as most MTBers, if someone tell's you not to ride in a skatepark, do you? If someone tells you not to ride on a BMX track, do you? If a walker tells you not to ride on their walking track, do you? I highly doubt it, I generally tell them to get fucked, or failing that I act nice and comprosmise. Generally if you are nice, keep out of their way as much as they keep out of yours and dont pretend you own the place they are fine.
At the most I would have a chat with them, tell them the situation and find a way to make things good for both parties. IF it's a race track then I would probably be more inclined to be a tad more serious about it, but even then it would just be to let them know the whole story, and offer them some alternitives (and not stupid ones like park rangers do "oh instead of riding this single track, rocky walking trail that, has a road at the top and bottom, why dont you try riding on the smooth, flat, concrete bike path at the park up there?")
You need to be realistic about it...

cjaty

19-09-2005, 01:47 PM

I've been riding a trail in my home town for years and respected all other trail users with very few problems.6 months ago another local with no respect for other trail users began to use this trail and now the council has put up no bicycles signs.It's all about getting along so aproching fellow users in a nice way is best I think

dirt boy

19-09-2005, 07:41 PM

We have a bit of a problem with motor bike riders rippen up our tracks, we have been tryin to stop them with jumps and logs and rock gardens but they either burn them or just rip them apart.

Any 1 got any ideas to stop them?

I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOTOBIKE RIDERS AT ALL, EXCEPT PEOPLE THAT ARE DICKHEADS ON THEM, BUT I HAVE ONE MYSELF AND I LIVE NEXT TO A MOTOCROSS TRACK. IT`S JUST THAT THERE MIGHT BE A POSSABILITY THAT THE AREA AND ALL OF THE TRACKS THAT WE HAVE BUILT WILL BE TURNED INTO A MTB PARK THAT IS WHY I AM LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT WAYS TO KEEP THE TRAILS GOOD.

ive got a motor bike and a mtb if i could ride my motor bike threw trails i would. dont complain, complain about the hippies for trying to ban us from national parks (fucking hippies i hate them so much, bloody tree hugers :mad: ). motor bikes, mtb and bmx bikes we all have something in commen we ride two wheelers and we love what we do and we hate one another live long ride hard!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :) :) :) :p :p :confused: :confused: :eek:

six9man

21-09-2005, 03:16 PM

i thought i might add my 0.02

i ride moto's and yes i do ride mtb tracks somtimes. unfortunatly this doesnt make mtb riders happy because it rips up their precious trails that they put alot of work into. its unfair what we do, but there is only somany good places to ride, so we gota share

as for the star pickets, dont be a FUK unless u OWN that land theres nothing u can do or should be doing. tyres are 100 bucks a pop roughly, but in all honesty, pickets dont do jack to them, think of all the wheelspin on rocks and the dammage thats gona do.

but i build tracks too, so here is how to keep moto's out.
dont bother with cuttin down trees, most half decent ridders can hop logs about 60cm high without any issues so thats wasting ur time. rocks arnt an issue unless they are big. ie to big for u to move.

if ur protecting DJ's make them tight and agressive ramps and landings. motos cant use this sorta smaller stuff so u have it to yourself

protecting DH single track isnt that difficult, if i put 15 - 30cm rock steps at the bottom of a track, this will keep ridders out, these sorta steps will buck u off easily enough so riders will stay away.

or. make the bottom of the track on an angle that almost goes along the side of the hill. motos will weelspin off this and struggle to make it up the trail. but only if the hill is step

at the top, put in a roller drop, nothing high speed. moto's are to heavy to pull back on, so u gota use the engine to pop off drops. but put a corner in, so the rider will end up in a bush if he trys it.

build the enty and exit, into areas with lots of sticks and trees... scrub and bushes are easy to ride through so its easy enough to get arround blockages.. by making it diffucult moto's will just move on.

protecting funnboy XC tracks is harder, because anything bigger than a pebble will snap their 35gram XC bike into a milion peices. basicly these guys dont wanna ride over big bumps so the only way u can close the tracks is with some sort of temporary fencing

dont put out booby traps and crap like that. cause you will probably get stabbed if your lucky... and i hope u do in the nicest possible way :D

but in the end, we are there to share, so we should all get along, and if u try to do somthing to dammage, hurt or ruin the moto's or the riders. more than likely they are gona destroy the whole place. just for revenge. so dont get to smart.

have fun :p

Loudvq

21-09-2005, 05:06 PM

I think this thread can be deleted now.
Very touchy situation six9man had some good points. :D

purdyboy

08-12-2005, 12:13 PM

My brother is both an enduro moto racer and an MTBer. His mates do both also. They only ride moto at moto parks and legal firetrails, they respect MTB trails. So I know there are some good moto blokes out there. I wouldn't advise setting "man-traps" or any injurious structures.

Motos don't have fun in tight terrain and simply don't fit through certain obstacles.
If you truly have a legal right to keep out motos then I would design the trails accordingly. Every so often take the trail through an area too tight for motos. Even if it means MTBs have to put a foot down or dismount momentarily to get past this section. Choose the area wisely where detours aren't possible. Make the trail head up an unrideable slope/rockledge where you must carry your bike up. Sure there are good moto riders out there but some things just can't be ridden by most. Use the natural terrain to best suit. Chopping down live trees is sh!tful behaviour but dead trees and branches can be dragged into place to create squeezes. Its a lot of work. Involving multiple people, ropes/winches/ shovels etc but it depends on how much you want to protect your LEGAL, leased club trails. Dig out trenches at locations where the trail is very tight motos can't get past without a bit of momentum and carrying motos through multiple trenches in tight terrain is not fun.

Those with access to recycled construction material can place 'gates' at locations were it is nigh on impossible to detour or bypass them. These gates can be made by concreting two 4"-6" pipes into the ground then fill with concrete. They'll need to be 6' long sections (and you'll need a hand post hole digger and concrete). These will require a bit of effort to carry into the trail and build. Make sure this type of gate is allowed to be placed on your LEGAL trail. Place the 'gate' some way into the trail so that it can't be accessed by 4wds etc and torn out, place them where they can't be by-passed. Build the 'gate' so that only MTBs will fit through, or even so you must dismount and lift over.
This is a bitch but better than having your LEGAL, leased trails getting wrecked before race day.

None of the above suggestions should be carried out if it is illegal or could threaten MTBers access to the area. Also consider your constructions impact on the environment, minimise damage to the precious resource.
If its shared land then ya just gotta make peace and share... and try to avoid getting runover.

Good luck.