Im getting Sent FLAT Broke....RANT follows...

[AUDIOZ]

For the fifth time last night in 6 months I managed to FLAT on a XC ride.

Pin sized hole straight through a Tubeless Hutchinson Python over rocky terrain.

The cost of these tyres at $115 a pop is getting expensive - and repairing them [Tubeless] is always bodgy.

Not Happy Jan.

It could just be a run of bad luck - but what are the other options for a dry weather light weight tubless XC tyre?

[dunk]

Try a scoopof Stan's sealant in the tyre, should stop most leaks and holes.

6 flats in six months ain't too bad, I got 7 in 100k's at the Cycle epic in Queensland :mad:

[AUDIOZ]

I got 7 in 100k's

:eek:

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[scratchy]

If you're running tubeless without Stan's it ain't bad luck, it's stupidity.

Tubeless + Stans = No Brainer.

Grab a bottle, it'll set you back approx $50 for a 1 Litre version and pending holes you should be able to use all those tyres you've discarded. That 1 Litre will last you a long time!

(disclaimer, I do sell the stuff, but only because it's that good).

[AUDIOZ]

Scweet - where can i buy it?

[scratchy]

PM ya AUDIOZ.

Good bike shops that don't just look to see if they can make a good mark-up should stock it. The reality is, it's never been cheap for the shop to buy, so 99% of shops don't sell it. In Adelaide Bio-Mechanics in Wright St. sells it.
Other places you can get it, include direct from the distributor, Saul Britton of Elite Bikes (often advertises in AMB) or through www.driftbikes.com (which I am associated with). Hopefully all prices should be equal.

[Bodin]

You DO have to run sealant, but it doesn't have to be Stan's - my LBS sold me some green "Slime" type crap that I think was meant for cars and it has grit in it which plugs the punctures and then the goop seals it all.

I've been running tubeless for almost two years now and I've never had a flat (touch wood), but I've only ever used heavier tyres (Maxxis Larsen and Panaracer FireXC Pro), so that could have something to do with it.

Having said that, though, I do occasionally notice a pinhole-sized glob of green on the outer casing after a ride, so I know for a fact that the sh!t works.

[AUDIOZ]

Just ran up the road and picked up some Stans.

They only had a half bottle in their workshop which they werent to keen to sell me - but talked em into it ;-)

Will put it in tonight and see how it goes.

[slaw]

You DO have to run sealant, but it doesn't have to be Stan's - my LBS sold me some green "Slime" type crap that I think was meant for cars and it has grit in it which plugs the punctures and then the goop seals it all.

I've been running tubeless for almost two years now and I've never had a flat (touch wood), but I've only ever used heavier tyres (Maxxis Larsen and Panaracer FireXC Pro), so that could have something to do with it.

Having said that, though, I do occasionally notice a pinhole-sized glob of green on the outer casing after a ride, so I know for a fact that the sh!t works.

I've just put in some slime-type stuff that I got in Autobarn. I believe that Stans is designed to be used for ghetto tubeless systems so it's purpose is different to being a puncture repairer. It does this as a side effect.

I put the sealant in for the Melbourne 12 hour which is a rocky course with many thorn plants about the course. No flats, but too early to tell if I just didn't get any punctures.

Before that I've had zero punctures with my tubeless tyres with nothing (but air) in them. Just lucky I suppose, but then I rarely had flats with tubed tyres even running lowish pressures, though I'm not a heavyweight.

[AUDIOZ]

Put the Stans in this arvo - it sealed the puncture no problem.

Took it for a quick 15kms and so far so good.

Thanks for the tip. :D

[Cúl-Báire]

Again withthe giving you usless info as you have already gone out and brought it... but there are many substitues for Stans.

Personally I use my own brew of Latex sealent which works well. Infact I have been running normal *race* tyres on UST rims using this method for over a year and only had one problem... AT least years Mont when I had a tyre burp during a stack, it didnt seal up quiet right- whacked in a tube for the rest of the race.

By the sounds of it, you may be runnig your tubelss tyres presures a little low or too high, it really needs a fine tune for preference though!

[AUDIOZ]

By the sounds of it, you may be runnig your tubelss tyres presures a little low or too high, it really needs a fine tune for preference though!

Nah... I think its just been bad luck - I do a lot of KM's on some fairly sketchy XC single track and vary my tyre pressures a fair bit depending on what Im riding.

The Stans seems good so far - no doubt there are alternatives. But, really for $50 I dont care - I just wanted something that works.

[floody]

Wow, tubeless isn't the be all end all solution? gee...
I'd just run tubes and lightweight normal tyres - will be lighter as well...But hey, thats just me.

[Grover]

Wow, tubeless isn't the be all end all solution? gee...
I'd just run tubes and lightweight normal tyres - will be lighter as well...But hey, thats just me.

why not sub the tubes with stan's and run normal tyres tubeless. will be lighter, no pinch flats and self healing ability.

that's a whole other argument though. i agree that tubed setups still have their place.

back on topic stan's in UST tyres on UST rims really is nearly bulletproof. If weight doesn't bother you that much then it's the perfect solution. i run it on the training bike and my rides are never interrupted.

[AUDIOZ]

Weight is just not a factor in a tubeless set-up with Stans - you put so little of it in the wheel 9at least i did) and it spreads out thinly over the rubber.

It sealed a puncture I had and has stayed totally inflated after a ride.

The amount I put in the tyre would was equivalent to less than a shot glass.

So I dont buy the weight arguement for a second.

[dunk]

I think what they are trying to point out is that by using a normal non UST tyre with Stan's sealant to seal it, you can save considerable weight over the heavier UST tyre.

eg: Maxxis Larsen 2.0 Exception 424g plus some sealant 50g(?)
Maxxis Larsen TT 2.0 UST 786g

Saving approx 500g rotating weight.

[AUDIOZ]

Ahh I see....

Hutchinson Python Tubeless tyres, which I run only weigh 625 grams - so we are only talking 200 odd grams of difference.

I can see the point though if someone is running a heavier XC tubeless tyre

[October26]

So now you have 6 spare $115 tyres.

[Bodin]

So now you have 6 spare $115 tyres.

There's always a pragmatist somewhere...

I wanna know who the shop was that kept selling him tyres instead of giving him useful advice!

[AUDIOZ]

I wanna know who the shop was that kept selling him tyres instead of giving him useful advice!

Heh.. nah not their bad.. Im pretty anal - and just take my flat up there and tell em to fit a new tyre.

They offered to patch some of my previous flats and I told em to throw em out and put a new one on.:D

[October26]

Thought they might have noticed the lack of goo.

[scratchy]

Heh.. nah not their bad.. Im pretty anal - and just take my flat up there and tell em to fit a new tyre.

They offered to patch some of my previous flats and I told em to throw em out and put a new one on.:D

Well if you telling them to ditch a perfectly good tyre, why are you getting on the internet and ranting (as per topic title)?

Most of us have been in this sport long enough to know that it costs a lot so most of us flog every part well beyond it's used by date.

Anyone care to have a guess what this shops Mechanics are rolling around with nowadays? ;)

[AUDIOZ]

No more ranting.. Got the Stans in and happy now.:D

I dont mind of they are rolling around on my old patched wheels. *shrug* I'd rather they used them than tossed em.

Most of us have been in this sport long enough to know that it costs a lot

I think its actually a pretty cheap sport - I used to do a fair bit of car racing on the weekends [club stuff] and Im finding this sport financial heaven by comparison. :D

[bazza]

therefore you should pay for some new tyres for me.............dh and trail bike that is. please.........