Do you have any sympathy for the bali nine?

[Christo]

I know it's been discussed already, I just wanted to 'poll the electorate'..

[scblack]

Why would we? Caught red-handed.

[Christo]

Why would we? Caught red-handed.

Yeah, that's how I feel too but I've spoken to people who do feel sorry for them - especially after hearing the business about the feds being tipped off when they were still in Aus & letting them go off to their (self-inflicted) deaths...

[Dumbellina]

Anyone who is dumb enough to carry heroin externally like that deserves a firing squad merely for stupidity.

I am opposed to the death penalty though - give them a life sentence which would have to be served in Bali with all the tropical diseases under the sun (not to mention the heat of sodomy, remember Tool's Prison Sex song?).

Anyone who feels sorry for someone caught so red-handed is silly, regardless of the Federal Police being involved.

[Christo]

Anyone who is dumb enough to carry heroin externally like that deserves a firing squad merely for stupidity.

So internally is okay? I reckon anyone who imports or even sells a rock of heroin deserves to die. I've grown up (and still live) in a Melbourne heroin hotspot & have seen plenty of wasted lives, one in my own family..

But, I don't support the death penalty either. lock them up for life & let them think about the lives that their 'product' has ruined until the day they die.

So, yeah, I pity their parents - not them...

[RCOH]

I do feel for their parents though, it would be agonising, waiting to see if your son/daughter was a) going to be sentenced to death, & b) (if sentenced) knowing they are going to die & there is nothing you can do. Despite their demonstrated stupidity, especially after the corby fiasco, the parents will suffer the most. Once you're dead, you don't have a care in the world.

But as for the perps, they deserve everything they have coming to them.

[Binaural]

I am a bit sympathetic because they were sold out by Australian police, who knew that the death penalty applied for these offences. I reckon everybody involved in that little debacle should be sacked and preferably sued back to the stone age by the affected families. It's disgusting to me that the police could callously send people to their death like that.

Seriously, I hate smackies as much as the next man, but I don't think they should be put to death and if possible they should serve their sentences out in Australia rather than in some hellhole in Indonesia.

[m_g]

i am totally against the death penalty...but dont really feel any sympathy for the offenders...

[RCOH]

Apparantly the father of Scott Rush (?) asked the AFP to tell his son not to go to Bali. Why couldn't he tell him himself. I don't think the police should take any blame for someone deciding to smuggle heroin from Indonesia to Australia. Everybody knows the risks.

[Christo]

Apparantly the father of Scott Rush (?) asked the AFP to tell his son not to go to Bali. Why couldn't he tell him himself. I don't think the police should take any blame for someone deciding to smuggle heroin from Indonesia to Australia. Everybody knows the risks.

Bloody good point... you could say he's more responsible for his son's impending death as the AFP..

[Kammy]

first of: why in a country such as indonesia would you try and even smuggle drugs seriously:confused: look at michelle leslie 2 ecstacy tablets and they want her dead!!

now that they were caught, yes they are australian citizens and the government does need to show some interest. but how can they show any remource when they were caught with the drugs strapped to their bodies:eek:

[Dozer]

Seriously, I hate smackies as much as the next man, but I don't think they should be put to death and if possible they should serve their sentences out in Australia rather than in some hellhole in Indonesia.

I hate them also but they only went to Bali to traffic drugs so let them serve their time or shoot them over there. Tough justice but I bet they won't want to do it again.
The whole thing I don't understand is: Why would you bother doing something so stupid knowing the whole time that there is a 99% chance you will get caught and strung up. Sucked in to them I say.
No sympathy at all from me. They are better off over there and not pushing that shit over here. No money in the world would get me to do that garbage.

[Kammy]

and why are so many aussies doing it after seeing what happened to schappele corby *still happening* so they go and do that. man their brains must have been so stuffed from the drugs.

[RCOH]

first of: why in a country such as indonesia would you try and even smuggle drugs seriously:confused: look at michelle leslie 2 ecstacy tablets and they want her dead!!


15 years is max penalty for Michelle Leslie, not death.

Renae Lawrence, Andrew Chan, Michael czugaj & Martin Stephens had all been to & from bali a couple of times previously as a group (or at the same time) so that suggests that they have gotten away with it a few time before. Every time you go back to do it again the risk of being caught is increased. They should counted their blessings that they made it through the 1st time & quit, but maybe they got greedy. which IMO decreases reason why government, or anyone really, should support them.

The corby case is so ludicrous that government should do all it can to help her get off. The Leslie case is more naivety & bad luck than outright stupidity considering (from what I have heard) amount of drugs available in Bali. The Bali Nine are knowing drug mules who just wanted easy money.

[Dumbellina]

So internally is okay? I reckon anyone who imports or even sells a rock of heroin deserves to die. I've grown up (and still live) in a Melbourne heroin hotspot & have seen plenty of wasted lives, one in my own family..

But, I don't support the death penalty either. lock them up for life & let them think about the lives that their 'product' has ruined until the day they die.

So, yeah, I pity their parents - not them...

No internally is no better in terms of criminal culpability but in terms of preparation for avoiding detection, they simply strapped it to their bodies and used pepper to turn off the dogs.

[Dumbellina]

Its a rule of law, that other states respect the laws of that country. Which means that Howard can puff and blow and send over pricey silks, but ultimately if you commit a crime in another country you deserve to be tried and punished according to their laws. Regardless of sympathy, they commited a crime and must therefore be punished.

Something you quickly learn in criminal law is that prosecutors always over-charge defendants. It gives them a good bargaining position when negotiating at the plea/charge bargaining. Also prosecutors must prove their cases according to the accepted standard, which means that many charges and the sentence(s) sought will be lowered as evidence is dismissed by the court. Two "e"s probably won't end up in the firing squad despite the huffing and puffing of prosecutors - Corby got 20 years for a boardbag full of pot.

[Kammy]

15 years is max penalty for Michelle Leslie, not death.

Renae Lawrence, Andrew Chan, Michael czugaj & Martin Stephens had all been to & from bali a couple of times previously as a group (or at the same time) so that suggests that they have gotten away with it a few time before. Every time you go back to do it again the risk of being caught is increased. They should counted their blessings that they made it through the 1st time & quit, but maybe they got greedy. which IMO decreases reason why government, or anyone really, should support them..

ok, i wasnt sure about leslie.

but the others man their brains must be so small.

[johnny]

I for one have the UTMOST of SYMPATHY for them.

They are fools who are waiting to die.

Fools don't deserve to die. WE should be reprimanded for not protecting the weak.....against themselves if need be.

Which leads me on to the AFP.

They were informed by the father that an Australian citizen was about to commit a federal offense. It is the government's (the law being the coercive arm of the government that implements policy formed by the legislature/courts) responsibility to 1. PREVENT CRIME (FFS!!!) 2. Protect its citizens. The AFP and therefore the government failed in its obligation to do either.

The AFP had the ability to inform the guy that he was under surveillance thereby dissuading him from committing the crime in the first place. What is better I ask you; prevention or punishment?

I make no judgement on their stupidity or callous nature of profiting from another's misery, but I feel sorry for them now, I don't like any kind of suffering whether it be through unfortunate circumstance or stupid action.

"If you think that a criminal deserves death or torture, then maybe you are just another criminal that hasn't been caught" (or words to that effect) Warren Fellows, "The Damage Done".

[rooks]

I would rather get the death penalty than spend my life in a indonisan prison:( .
but it is stupid the feds. didnt stop them from going

[rooks]

"If you think that a criminal deserves death or torture, then maybe you are just another criminal that hasn't been caught" (or words to that effect) Warren Fellows, "The Damage Done".[/QUOTE]

johhny that is the best book ever written
have you read marching powder? i want to get it

[Christo]

I for one have the UTMOST of SYMPATHY for them.

I respect your opinion, but really the utmost sympathy?

I'm so much more sympathetic for the dispossed, poor, mostly african americans who suffered in New Orleans.

I'm much more sympathetic for the starving around the world.

I'm much more sympathetic for the millions of victims of wars they had no say in...

But for people who grew up in what once was a socialist democracy - with decent education, good healthcare and middleish class (not too sure, but they're not living in a third world country) families to look after them - it's callous & greedy to import as evil and addictive a substance in such a large quantity as they did.

Ignoring the whole purity vs addictiveness please.

They made an informed choice, they effectively said to the world - "hey, I'll risk my life for $10K and if I succeed, who cares who suffers?" (Not a real quote obviously..)

As I mentioned earlier, my life has been touched by heroin addiction - I'm sure there are many Farkiners who're in the same situation - so maybe I'm biased....?

No disrespect intended Johnny, I enjoy your posts & I feel I'm of a similar political persuasion but to say you have the utmost sympathy really makes me think you're 'knee-jerking' and playing devil's advocate.

But again, it's all IMO. I thought this thread was an interesting topic...

[naz]

I am a bit sympathetic because they were sold out by Australian police, who knew that the death penalty applied for these offences. I reckon everybody involved in that little debacle should be sacked and preferably sued back to the stone age by the affected families. It's disgusting to me that the police could callously send people to their death like that.

who cares less paper work for the aussie cops.

the get what they deserve.

[ajay]

I respect your opinion, but really the utmost sympathy?

I'm so much more sympathetic for the dispossed, poor, mostly african americans who suffered in New Orleans.

I'm much more sympathetic for the starving around the world.

I'm much more sympathetic for the millions of victims of wars they had no say in...

But for people who grew up in what once was a socialist democracy - with decent education, good healthcare and middleish class (not too sure, but they're not living in a third world country) families to look after them - it's callous & greedy to import as evil and addictive a substance in such a large quantity as they did.

Ignoring the whole purity vs addictiveness please.

They made an informed choice, they effectively said to the world - "hey, I'll risk my life for $10K and if I succeed, who cares who suffers?" (Not a real quote obviously..)

As I mentioned earlier, my life has been touched by heroin addiction - I'm sure there are many Farkiners who're in the same situation - so maybe I'm biased....?

No disrespect intended Johnny, I enjoy your posts & I feel I'm of a similar political persuasion but to say you have the utmost sympathy really makes me think you're 'knee-jerking' and playing devil's advocate.

But again, it's all IMO. I thought this thread was an interesting topic...

You make an excellent point, and this is probably the first time that i dont really agree with Johnny in a political related thread:eek:

the Bali 9, especially because they are Australian and know the consequnces of their actions, had it coming. You dont even have to be dealing abroad to know you can get fucked for drug trafficing. I dont belive in the death penalty, so i dont think they should die for it, but they did do it in Bali... so they have to be tried under their law.

Ghandi spoke some great words, in this case, the quote - "an eye for an eye" turns the whole world blind..." so to kill someone for a crime serves no justice to them, the country or its people...

I think a prison term long enough for them to 'really' know the consequences of an action will be sufficient.

[shirtz]

I respect your opinion, but really the utmost sympathy?

I'm so much more sympathetic for the dispossed, poor, mostly african americans who suffered in New Orleans.

I'm much more sympathetic for the starving around the world.

I'm much more sympathetic for the millions of victims of wars they had no say in...



this poll isnt asking if we are more sympathic to war victems or the bali nine. i think everyone would agree with u there.

i feel bad for them. from what i have heard (please let me know if im wrong) a few of the lads r only like 19 and have had pretty rough/poor lives. i know this doesnt justify there actions but if u dont think a 19 year old who smuggles drugs and may die for his mistakes deserves a bit of sympathy then something is wrong with u.

[Daver]

the Bali 9, especially because they are Australian and know the consequnces of their actions, had it coming. You dont even have to be dealing abroad to know you can get fucked for drug trafficing. I dont belive in the death penalty, so i dont think they should die for it, but they did do it in Bali... so they have to be tried under their law.

I agree fully.

As corrupted as the Indonesian legal systems are, we should be respecting their decisions and laws. I don't have any sympathy for people as stupid as this, they will get what they deserved.

[bhipsley]

i voted no, how could u be sympathetic to drug smuglers caught red handed !!! theres more things out there to be worried about now, e.g. being sympathetic to the families of the latest Bali bombings !!!

[Laurie]

I for one have the UTMOST of SYMPATHY for them.
"If you think that a criminal deserves death or torture, then maybe you are just another criminal that hasn't been caught" (or words to that effect) Warren Fellows, "The Damage Done".

Is that the fella that was in the Thai jail and had the bit where one of the other inmates had cockroaches in his ear?????? If it is I would recommend this book to anyone who is involved with drugs.....you might think twice or count yourself very lucky.........

[johnny]

You make an excellent point, and this is probably the first time that i dont really agree with Johnny in a political related thread:eek:
This has nothing to do with politics. It's a moral or even emotional issue. The question concerned pity which is an emotion.

I pity all those who suffer. I make no distinction whether suffering was self induced or random and indiscriminate. We are all guilty for something.

I don't know anything of these people's upbringings, cognitive abilities or knowledge of the situation they got themselves into. All I know is that I'd rather see no one suffer at all. These people are suffering, so I pity them.

I would rather see them not have caused/had this trouble at all, but that's utopian for we are all fallible creatures. Therefore what can I do but feel pity. I cannot chjange the way people think nor act (yet) so only pity is left for me.

I am not a vengeful person for the most part, I prefer to lessen harm than facilitate it. When Ghandi said an eye for an eye will turn the world blind, he meant vengence and all forms of vengence. Not only murder for murder. There's enough suffering in the world already without using it as a tool.....albeit a tool that does not deter further actions that create suffering like drug trafficing. You have all repeatedly bought up the Corby and Leslie cases as reason enough not to replicate their actions. Well guess what? People still do, there's your proof. Plus, we've all seen Bangkok Hilton, heard of Barllow and Chambers and seemingly a few here about Warren Fellows. These cases were all 20 years or so ago, yet people still do it.

Therefore making this lot suffer won't change the behaviour of others (in the majority sense) therefore all you are dishing out now is vengence to please your own thirst for authority in creating the perfect world. I say again, there is enough suffering in the world. My pity is limitless but I wish to be happy instead.

The Raelians believe that to kill one person is to kill every person. I agree. To make killing or suffering an acceptable practice, you damn yourself to its practice too. It's the same vein as "if you're digging a grave for revenge, you'd best dig two". To promote suffering means to create a lesser world to live in.

This is a very brief synopsis of an extremely challenging philosophical question which I have spent much time on and conducted proper research upon. The issues of vengence (eye for eye) the Raelian philosophy, the "perfect world" aspiration and deterrence are quite vast and do deserve expansion if to be properly understood. Feel free to call me on any of them and I will happily flesh out their philosophies to an understable measure.

[wtr]

Copping the fire squad for trafficking, too heavy-handed don't you think?:rolleyes:

[kevpun]

Anyone that tries to profit from an activity that has the potential to cause others to suffer will never get any sympathy from me.

I don't care how stupid the Bali 9 are, they are criminals and they were trying to profit from the trafficing of an illegal drug. A drug that is responsible for destroying lives, destroying families - and the number of deaths.

Herion is used as a mechanism to addict under age children into prostitution and other criminal activity, not to mention some of the other bizzare and depraved things that go on ...

My only regret is the rest of the drug network the Bali 9 were involved with are not also rotting in prison in Bali waiting for a life sentence or a death penalty.

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

Whilst I pity the Bali Nine and feel for their families, I don't think I couldever have the utmost sympathy for them. The penalties for trafficking heroin in SE Asia are no big secret. They knew what they were risking and decided to do it anyway knowing full well the consequences of their actions if they got caught and ALSO the consequences of their actions if they got away with it (Big payout for them, another shitload of smack on the streets and maybe a couple of more OD's and a few more houses burgled and a few more bikes nicked.)

I had an uncle who was addicted to smack and served time for dealing (thankfully in the UK and not in Indo) so I am well aware of the damage that heroin can do (usually I'm pro-drugs but smacks just wrong on so many levels)

To be honest I have a lot more sympathy for thousands of others incarcerated in Indonesian jails right now. many are thre for political beliefs, and many are there for trying to feed their families.

These kids did it out of greed...

[R33F]

I make no judgement on their stupidity or callous nature of profiting from another's misery, but I feel sorry for them now, I don't like any kind of suffering whether it be through unfortunate circumstance or stupid action.


Please Johnny, that isnt correct. Your opening comment was that "we" should look at ourselves for not protecting the weak. And that we shouldnt judge them on their intellect.

I couldnt agree more.

But I cannot agree with feeling sorry for them.

If not standing up for the weak makes us un-Australian, then so does NOT STANDING UP FOR YOUR ACTIONS !!!

These guys, no matter how simple of mind, "smuggled" johhny, not "packed" with the beach towel and toothpaste.

"smuggled" : to bring in or take out illicitly or by stealth.

They knowingly had someone tape the shit to them.

They have fucked up, they should take their punishment(s), which is more Australian than standing there infront of camera crews looking for sympathy.

[johnny]

Yeah I know, I have difficulty working out where I stand and am probably quite contradictory of myself. One must be accountable and responsible for one's own actions. But I still can't help but feel pity for those who suffer.

Maybe I should join the Salvos......

[scblack]

One must be accountable and responsible for one's own actions. But I still can't help but feel pity for those who suffer......................needlessly

I just added one word to your sentiments Johnny. I also feel pity for those who suffer, NEEDLESSLY. Children deserve all the help in the world, quake victims, hurricane victims, accident victims deserve all the help we can give them.

These nine KNOWINGLY smuggled, breaking the law, and bringing ALOT of misery into people's lives. They were after a quick buck, knowing the consequences, and looks like they had done it several times before. They deserve whats coming. I am also opposed to the death penalty though, but life in prison would be a good option.

[seach]

sorry mate i pressed the wrong button thingy

[Cave Dweller]

They did commit a crime and need to be punished, but i don't think they should be shot for it.

The indonesian legal system is fucked. Michelle Leslie gets 15 years for carrying 2 e's and the guy who did the bali bombing didn't get much more then that. Totally whack if you ask me.

[Wattsy]

Indonesia, isn't that a topic i love to talk about.....

i don't any sympathy for the "bali nine", they were involved in drug's and got caught, to bad. But there parents, like all situations, cop it the worse. Death penality is worst idea for drugs, doesn't solve any problems, just create's more. Where as a murder'r, like amroasie, it's allmost like an eye for an eye situation(not really, but you get it). I hope the broadcast the execution of Amroasie and his counterpart. I'd pay to see him get what he gave, even though it doesn't solve anything, just a closer for the affected.

[MasterOfReality]

I feel sorry for their parents, but not for the Bali 9.

I have been to Bali and I remember getting off the plane, and there was a sign hanging in the Arrival lounge that said something like "Illegal drugs = death penalty".

If that is not a deterrent, I don't know what is.

I usually support the death penalty, but recently I had the dubious pleasure of a mate bringing round one of those death dvds. Firing squads in Asia? There were people being tied to poles and shot in the guts, chest, throat etc. Not all of them died instantly either. You could see some of them clenching their fists as they were being shot.

I don't know whether it was the military carrying out the death sentences or some local vigilante group, but it was absolutely terrifying.

Maybe hanging or a injection would be better.

But back to the point, they knew what they were doing and the consequences of their actions.

The AFP probably had enough of australian drug dealers/runners being caught in foreign countries, then bailed out to Australia and then getting a slap on the wrist.

[R33F]

These nine KNOWINGLY smuggled, breaking the law, and bringing ALOT of misery into people's lives.

I am unsure about the death penalty, so I guess I don't have an opinion on it. But can I ask this. Isnt leaving them in Jail a Life sentence for the parents and loved ones ?

[scblack]

But can I ask this. Isnt leaving them in Jail a Life sentence for the parents and loved ones ?

Then in that case, they should not have smuggled anything. The courts are only upholding the law, which is assumed is well known by the smugglers.

The smugglers have hurt their parents and loved ones by their actions. No-one else.

[R33F]

The smugglers have hurt their parents and loved ones by their actions. No-one else.

my point exactly. what I am trying to ask you guys is this.

If the Bali nine are sentenced to death, would the grieving process not be quicker for the innocent loved ones ?

Would you want your parents having to travel to a Bali jail for the next 25+ years to visit you ?

By doing what they have done, they have also ruined things for their families, on many faces, emotional, financial to name a few.

[RCOH]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!:eek:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Renae-Lawrence-stressed-in-Bali-court/2005/10/21/1129775944640.html


Lawrence arrived at the Denpasar District Court with a makeover provided by convicted Australian drug smuggler and former beauty therapist Schapelle Corby, who has been giving her makeup tips inside the walls of Kerobokan Jail.

The pair are close by one another in a female prison compound and Corby has been helping Lawrence with eye shadow and makeup tips ahead of her court appearance, lawyer Anggia Browne told AAP.

"They don't share a cell, but they meet and talk sometimes," she said.

[manson_biker]

fark them, there own stupid fault. put them against the fireing wall i say!!!

[johnny]

Yes, because foolishness is worthy of death.

And as we know, capital punishment is the BEST deterrence ever......

[Jezza1006]

The Bali 9 walked right into that one-should've been smart enough to say no to the free trip or thought about it first

[Binaural]

The Bali 9 walked right into that one-should've been smart enough to say no to the free trip or thought about it first

Last time I checked, the death penalty did not apply for stupidity (lucky for Josh Bender).

Really people, why so much support for extreme sentences? What if your cousin or sister got caught with pot in Bali and got sentenced to death or 10 years imprisonment? Some of you need to have a bit more empathy. Punishment is one thing and most people can agree on this, but saying they should be shot for dealing drugs? They don't hold down little children and inject them, they sell it to consenting adults who do it to themselves. Why exactly are drug dealers considered so especially heinous and worthy of death or 20years jail compared to so many other crimes?

[S.]

Last time I checked, the death penalty did not apply for stupidity (lucky for Josh Bender).

Really people, why so much support for extreme sentences? What if your cousin or sister got caught with pot in Bali and got sentenced to death or 10 years imprisonment? Some of you need to have a bit more empathy. Punishment is one thing and most people can agree on this, but saying they should be shot for dealing drugs? They don't hold down little children and inject them, they sell it to consenting adults who do it to themselves. Why exactly are drug dealers considered so especially heinous and worthy of death or 20years jail compared to so many other crimes?

Because one time, this guy who is a friend of another guy I know, was just walking down the street when some ILLEGAL DRUGS just totally leapt out and raped him in broad daylight.

[tnankie]

Last time I checked, the death penalty did not apply for stupidity (lucky for Josh Bender).

Really people, why so much support for extreme sentences? What if your cousin or sister got caught with pot in Bali and got sentenced to death or 10 years imprisonment? Some of you need to have a bit more empathy. Punishment is one thing and most people can agree on this, but saying they should be shot for dealing drugs? They don't hold down little children and inject them, they sell it to consenting adults who do it to themselves. Why exactly are drug dealers considered so especially heinous and worthy of death or 20years jail compared to so many other crimes?

Thank you.

I dont know what the circumstances surrounding the bali 9 were/are (what happened to the story about them being forced to do it due to threats against their families?) but i certainly don't think its any worse a crime than allowing people to sell alcohol and nicotine.

like S. said everyone has some bad drugs naughty people story, but how many of you have seen horrible things caused by alcohol or nicotine? I've seen plenty working in the rural fire service, car crashes just aren't pretty. At least when it was a horse lying screaming and bleeding on the road the cops could shoot it. The passenger of the last one i went to didn't stop screaming. Drunk driver.


Drugs are only as bad as the person taking them.

so in closing sure shoot them if that makes you feel better, but perhaps you should also turn the gun on everyone who makes or imports alcohol.

[Christo]

Because one time, this guy who is a friend of another guy I know, was just walking down the street when some ILLEGAL DRUGS just totally leapt out and raped him in broad daylight.

Drugs are only as bad as the person taking them.

so in closing sure shoot them if that makes you feel better, but perhaps you should also turn the gun on everyone who makes or imports alcohol.

I do dig you're saying but they went to a country where if you are caught with drugs - you get executed. They knew the risk & chose to go ahead. Many people of many nationalities are executed in many countries every year for the exact same thing.

But now it's Aussies in Indonesia we care?

I have much more sympathy for David hicks - what he 'did' wasn't as clearly illegal as the Bali nine.

[johnny]

Once again, I have great compassion for them all. I don't care whether it was a stupid, STUPID choice that landed them where they are, I still have compassion and sympathy for them and hope that they never have to go through it again.

If I ever do something dumb, I hope that there are other people out there like me.

[johnny]

Whilst I do have sympathy for these people, it is in a certain context. I feel sorry that there is suffering, I hate suffering and I hate the fact that life is not easy and sweet.

BUT!! This is where I draw the line! Oh, you're stressed are you? Diddums. Maybe you should have thought of that before allowing your greed to lead you into importing a hideous substance that makes THOUSANDS of people commit acts of self harm everyday.

To me, this is justice. Leave the little prick on death row for a couple of years, let him sweat it out, then revoke the death sentence and make him work in a rehab clinnic for 20 years helping other poor soles get off the junk.

I'm sorry, I have sympathy for all the suffering in the world, but I don't have too much of a problem with you stressing out about your situation. Get yourself a dictionary and look up "foresight" and "rational" "decision" "making".

Scratching your arms...Pfft! You were happy to help people jam dirty needles into their arms deeper than your pissy little scratches go. Toughen up you little prick, you bought this upon yourself, deal with it.

Stress causes Rush to commit self-harm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/stress-causes-rush-to-commit-selfharm/2007/07/24/1185043105411.html
July 24, 2007 - 5:52PM


Bali nine drug mule Scott Rush says he has been driven to self-harm by the stress of an impending legal appeal against his death sentence in Indonesia.

Rush, 21, was arrested with eight other Australians on April 17, 2005, in Denpasar in Bali while trying to smuggle of heroin to Australia.

He and five others have been sentenced to death by firing squad.

But in a last-ditch effort to spare his life, Rush's legal team will soon challenge his sentence on constitutional grounds.

In Rush's first in-depth interview, he told The Bulletin magazine the impending appeal was taking its toll on his mental health.

Sporting long scratch marks down his forearms, Rush told the magazine he had used a sharp piece of metal to relieve stress.

"I just had a stressful day," Rush said.

"They're just scratches.

"Renae [Lawrence, another Bali nine member] punched a wall and broke her wrist.

"This is what I did."

Rush said he had been visited by a psychiatrist at Bali's Kerobokan jail and had been told he was fine.

"He said I can't stress out about everything - my case, the transfer," he said.

"They think I may be suffering from depression and said they might give me mild anti-depressants."

Rush said he was also seeing a Catholic priest but had stopped attending the prison's chapel "because people who run the jail chapel were telling me, 'If you die, you will be going home.'

"I thought, 'Who are you to tell me that?' "

Meanwhile, his Brisbane-based parents Lee and Christine Rush are continuing a campaign in Australia against capital punishment.

They have already collected thousands of signatures which have been tabled in Federal Parliament, pressing Prime Minister John Howard to lobby Indonesian authorities.

Mr Rush has pledged to continue to collect signatures as long as his son remains alive.

[sxereturn]

I don't think what they did is worthy of the death penalty, but I am certainly not going to lose any sleep over it.

What I do take issue with is everyone going on about how they deserve to die because they were importing drugs that could cause pain/suffering/death to thousands of people. Last time I checked, dealers weren't chasing people down the street with loaded syringes. The junkies come to the dealers because the junkies CHOOSE to put that shit into themselves. It is their CHOICE. To me, a drug dealer is no worse than a bottle shop employee, service station attendant or used car salesman. They all sell products that WILL kill people. It just happens that some of these things are legal, and others aren't. Since when did law play a part in ethics and morality?

[johnny]

I just can't believe that the media wants us to feel sorry for the princess because he's a widdle stwessed out :(

Should have thought of that before he taped a few kgs of junk to his chest!

I see the rationale of what you say with dealers, but I don't think life is as black and white as that. Cars, alcohol and so on can be enjoyed by most without causing pain and suffering. Junk is a little bit different in that respect.

[Jordan!]

no.....................

[scooter]

I see the rationale of what you say with dealers, but I don't think life is as black and white as that. Cars, alcohol and so on can be enjoyed by most without causing pain and suffering. Junk is a little bit different in that respect.

Maybe heroin is more likely to cause pain and suffering, but that just further proves the point. People can be pressured into drinking too much/drink driving/all sorts of stupid shit like that because they see others doing it and not getting hurt or caught. However from a young age we're taught that heroin will completely and utterly ruin your life, so it's not like anyone started using it without being aware of the risks.

[johnny]

Well that all depends on your upbringing though, doesn't it?

If your parents were both employed, cared about your education and taught you to respect the law and taught you right from wrong, your rationalising these issues wiil be different from some one who never had a father, who's mum was never home because she was up the club playing pokies and getting sloshed. In the latter scenario, you're probably more likely to get your values and guidence from your peers who may not be that mindful of such warnings.

Life is very grey when it comes to understandings of such issues. That's my take on it anyway. I'm glad I came from a good family....., now where's my seringe?

[sxereturn]

Syringe, you illiterate old bar stud!

I doubt that any kid growns up in Australia without realising that heroin is shithouse. Whether you grow up in the richy rich suburbs, listening to your holier than thou parents in their BMW going on about filthy junkie scum, or grow up in middle class society with your mum talking about your aunty who is 40kg and has no teeth (my experience), or growing up in a lower class area surrounded by filthy junkies...either way, you end up realising heroin is bad!

[matty_101]

They made a choice, they live with the consequences, well not live but........They made a choice out of greed, and seeing as they probably never fucked up this badly before, they should get a second chance because i doubt they comprehended the severity and impact of their actions.

[Harry B]

Yeah tuff, they made the choice to do what they did, and they got caught. Bad luck.