View Full Version : You CAN help save the whales!!!!
That's right. If you think whaling is absolutely fucking disgusting then you CAN actually help Greenpeace do something about it!
Take two seconds and go to this web page on their site.
http://www.greenpeace.org.au/petition/whale_petition.html?source=EPN
Take two minutes to read about the petition they'd like you to sign and to actually see for yourself what whaling is like and what YOU can do to help stamp it out.
Take another whole minute to fill in the elelctronic petition and press submit.
And that's it :D . In a mere handfull of minutes and without leaving your chair or computer screen, you've earned yourself some decent karma and maybe helped a lot.
Feels pretty good actually. Now give yourself a pat on the back. Good on ya!
tonka_202
09-02-2006, 04:56 PM
wow, that is so bad how could you do that to a whale it like the chinese who take sharks fins then just leave the shark to die!!! kill them sign the petition people!!!!!!
jamsta
09-02-2006, 05:02 PM
yep, sure is disgusting - I can't believe this sort of thing still happens in this day and age :confused: along with a heap of other crappy shit.
this old hippy signed it ;)
lotec
09-02-2006, 06:24 PM
signed :)
Superman
09-02-2006, 06:36 PM
thanks grip, signed it without hesitation, that video is disgusting, for christs sake if your goin to do it do it quickly and as painless as possible. thats if ya bastard enough to do it at all.
donthucktoflat
09-02-2006, 08:11 PM
yum.
just kidding, petition signed. bastards
AnthonyJosephNelson
09-02-2006, 08:25 PM
I don't get how it's going to make a difference?
TIMOH
09-02-2006, 08:27 PM
Signed ....
tonka_202
09-02-2006, 08:32 PM
I don't get how it's going to make a difference?
if you get a petition with enough people signing for it most of the time they can change there minds, maybe if like they get a million ppl to sign it the government might come in and make a stop to this shanazle!!!
freeride_sweet
09-02-2006, 08:45 PM
I don't get how it's going to make a difference?
how do u think a lot of disputes (sp) are sorted out,
signed
No Skid Marks
09-02-2006, 08:54 PM
Yeah only took a minute to fill out but it took me half an hour to send it to everyone I know. Hope everyone else bothered to do that too.
Save the whales.
Collect the whole set.
tonka_202
09-02-2006, 09:07 PM
how do u think a lot of disputes (sp) are sorted out,
signed
whats 'sp'?
whats 'sp'?
spelling, you type (sp) if your unsure of the correct spelling of a word.
signed, hopefully it will make a difference.
The greenpeace ship isn't still down there hasseling the Japanese are they?
No Skid Marks
10-02-2006, 08:18 AM
I hope so,I'm not paying them to do nothing.
I don't get how it's going to make a difference?
:rolleyes: Mate... did you read the very first post in this thread? part of it said
Take two minutes to read about the petition they'd like you to sign and to actually see for yourself what whaling is like and what YOU can do to help stamp it out.
If you did that you'd see exactly what Greenpeace intend to do with the petition and how they hope it will actually make a difference.
PS. Click on this link http://www.greenpeace.org.au/petition/whale_petition.html?source=EPN
and read the stuff down the LEFT hand side of the page.
PSS. No Skid MArks had the right idea too... send the link off to as many people as you can. You get extra karma points for extra effort ;)
Atomizer
10-02-2006, 08:46 AM
Double those Karmic points, have another say and make a bit more difference by adding your name also to this anti-whaling petition, after you've put your name to Grip's link. ^^^^^^^^^
And... have the satsifaction of helping a whale blow whale burger ships out of action while you're at it. What more could you want?
http://www.whalesrevenge.com/
Support Greenpeace.
projectsplat
10-02-2006, 09:02 AM
signed, signed and signed
scblack
10-02-2006, 09:06 AM
I see this morning on Sunrise, that demand from Japanese consumers for whale meat is FALLING, and they are going to be freezing/storing tonnes of whale meat.
BUT, aren't the whales being slaughtered for SCIENTIFIC reasons? How then, does consumer demand affect that?
Come on Japs - answer that friggen question.
Landon
10-02-2006, 06:22 PM
I don't know a great deal about the whole whaling thing, but that's certainly no way to kill an animal. They've got my name.
tonka_202
10-02-2006, 07:23 PM
The greenpeace ship isn't still down there hasseling the Japanese are they?
hope they are!!!
Dicky
10-02-2006, 07:57 PM
done and done.
Get over it ya bastards, it's just not necessary...
Constable Care
10-02-2006, 08:09 PM
Pleased to help...Signed
mustard
10-02-2006, 08:19 PM
l bought a wrist band aswell..
Not sure if you don't actually know or are just joking but for those that dont,the Japaneese use scientific purposes as a legal loop hole to continue whaling.
N-S-Marks... I'm pretty sure SCBLACK was pointing out how ridiculous it is that the Japanese claim whaling is only being done in the name of science and yet there can actually be a "consumer demand". He was (I'm certain) just pointing out the major hole in their bullshit story. ;)
MrPlow
11-02-2006, 08:31 AM
Done!
Great to see some passionate farkiners out there.
Good call Grip:)
scblack
11-02-2006, 08:47 AM
Not sure if you don't actually know or are just joking but for those that dont,the Japaneese use scientific purposes as a legal loop hole to continue whaling.
Do I really need to explain that I know that?
Exactly what Grip said.
No Skid Marks
11-02-2006, 10:30 AM
Ahhh no,I have no excuse,I am a fool and read it to quick or something.Missed the point/humour.
Ahhh no,I have no excuse,I am a fool and read it to quick or something.Missed the point/humour.
Don't worry about it. This is too serious a thread so I demand that everyone be nice :p (to themselves and to each other).
On that more serious note... just heard on the ABC radio news that Japan's stores of whale meat are so OVER full that they're now selling it off as dog food.
I tell ya... this crap just gets worse and worse!
scblack
11-02-2006, 07:59 PM
Ahhh no,I have no excuse,I am a fool and read it to quick or something.Missed the point/humour.
No worries, you missed the point, but there is nothing humourous.
(that is not a swipe at you, but at the japs)
AnthonyJosephNelson
12-02-2006, 08:47 PM
To tell you the truth I think the Japanese will get as many whales as they want.
To tell you the truth I think the Japanese will get as many whales as they want.
And to tell you the truth that will only happen so long as people are detirmined to be apathetic about such an important issue.
So tell me... are you detirmined to be apathetic? Or is it a condition you've had since birth? ;)
Things CAN actually change, but only if people actually DO something. There's a very apt historical quote that goes something like this...
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’
Worth thinking about, I reckon.
rowanr
13-02-2006, 11:17 AM
i don't understand how a petition like this will stop the japs from whaling. plus, i hate greenpeace! they're like sea pirates, but hippy versions. plus, the ones i've come across in person are really forceful to make you join them, and try and lay down the guilt trip as if greenpeace are the sole organisation that can save the world.
aside from that, i do hope something is done about whaling. it's disgraceful. i remember reading about some guy who used to ram whaling ships and cut massive tuna nets. he was a total wanker, with blatant disregard for human life, money and lack of common sense.
johnny
13-02-2006, 11:22 AM
There are many reasons as to why and how petitions are useful tools in public pressure.
There are also many reasons why your post ^^^^ was probably best left....unposted.
i don't understand how a petition like this will stop the japs from whaling. plus, i hate greenpeace! they're like sea pirates, but hippy versions. plus, the ones i've come across in person are really forceful to make you join them, and try and lay down the guilt trip as if greenpeace are the sole organisation that can save the world.
aside from that, i do hope something is done about whaling. it's disgraceful. i remember reading about some guy who used to ram whaling ships and cut massive tuna nets. he was a total wanker, with blatant disregard for human life, money and lack of common sense.
For fucks sake! If you actually READ the info at the link provided (as I've suggested to every other twit who, like you, seems more interested in arguing some ignorant, misguided and redneck point of view rather than doing something about a practice that you yourself describe as "disgraceful") then you'll see exactly how a petition like this can in fact "stop the japs from whaling".
Oh, and as an aside, it's a pretty bloody ignorant and narrow-minded attitude to label all Greenpeace members and activists the way you have. I can't begin to tell you just how many mountain bikers I have seen and/or heard about doing totally irresponsible/illegal/uncaring things over the last 25 years... and yet you would probably say I'm being ridiculously generalising in labelling ALL MTBers because of that, eh?
NeBoS
13-02-2006, 02:57 PM
i don't understand how a petition like this will stop the japs from whaling. plus, i hate greenpeace! they're like sea pirates, but hippy versions. plus, the ones i've come across in person are really forceful to make you join them, and try and lay down the guilt trip as if greenpeace are the sole organisation that can save the world.
Not really worth a reply.
i remember reading about some guy who used to ram whaling ships and cut massive tuna nets. he was a total wanker, with blatant disregard for human life, money and lack of common sense.
What is the worth of ones life who isnt passionate about something meaningful... but who has "money"; who has "common sense"; and who has a simple "regard for their own life". It aint worth too much IMO.
I think that this guy does indeed have a regard for his life - hes going to make it count.
I can remember seeing the footage of that poor minkie whale a few weeks back. Absolutely disgusting the amount of suffering this animal would have experienced - shot six times and still hungry to live. Makes me wonder how many other whales have had such a death. F@$king horrible.
I have signed this petition and I have also sent a letter directly to the CEO of Sealord Foods. I will also stop purchasing Sealord products until something is turned around.
Thank you, NeBos, for expressing that so well.
NCR600
13-02-2006, 04:09 PM
Not really worth a reply.
What is the worth of ones life who isnt passionate about something meaningful... but who has "money"; who has "common sense"; and who has a simple "regard for their own life". It aint worth too much IMO.
I think that this guy does indeed have a regard for his life - hes going to make it count.
I can remember seeing the footage of that poor minkie whale a few weeks back. Absolutely disgusting the amount of suffering this animal would have experienced - shot six times and still hungry to live. Makes me wonder how many other whales have had such a death. F@$king horrible.
I have signed this petition and I have also sent a letter directly to the CEO of Sealord Foods. I will also stop purchasing Sealord products until something is turned around.
Writing letters directly to company CEO's and voting with your dollar is the only way to go. I read somewhere that one letter is worth 5000 signatures on a petition.
I have a problem with Greenpeace though. They are a massive, multi-million dollar organisation, and like any multi-million dollar organisation, people have gotten rich from them. They have resorted to the same tactics in the past (to justify their own existance, and to justify the millions of dollars in donations that go towrads paying their upper management) that the companies that they're fighting against use. Misleading statistics, media spin, half truths and outright lies. That makes them as bad as the Japanese whalers, Shell, and the corporate "baddies".
You don't have to fight fire with fire y'know.
Sorry NCR, but I think it's a LOT more than a little far fetched to state Greenpeace is as bad as the Japanese whalers. I mean... FFS... Greenpeace is NOT slaughtering valuable members of our ecosystem in cruel and barbaric ways now are they.
And if you're going to "state as fact" certain aspects of Greenpeace's fiscal situation then back it up with fact. Otherwise it should be taken as nothing more than one person's OPINION based on who-knows-what personal biases.
Arete
13-02-2006, 06:07 PM
I'm on my 3rd degree in Conservation related matters, and have wiorked in and with a few NGO's...
Greenpeace's cause is a noble one.
However, as an organisation they have used a lot of underhanded tactics to gain funds and acheive their goals. Their motives arent' as self serving as whalers, sealers, loggers or anyone else, but they are as intellectulally dishonest, misleading and untruthful.
If you don't mind their tactics and assume that the end justifies the means enough to employ such tactics, go right ahead. I don't however.
All that said, a petition costs you nothing to sign and might make a difference, so go for it.
No Skid Marks
13-02-2006, 06:59 PM
Everyone is corruptable but still the more power($)Greenpeace has the more thay can do good.I'm sure any small inperfection is milked for all it's worth to make tight arses and self ritcheos people have a stab at them.I spread my donations around but I do support Greenpeace cause I'm sure they're better than supporting (insert whatever here as I don't wish to start an unrelated debate).Whatever gets you to sleep at night. Are you doing anything else then? Maybee you could share your your ideas with us(not having a jab at you)?
NCR600
13-02-2006, 07:14 PM
"Under its recently departed guru, David McTaggart, 59, the $157 million (1990 revenues) Greenpeace became a skillfully managed business, mastering the tools of direct mail and image manipulation - and indulging in forms of lobbying that would bring instant condemnation if practiced by a for-profit corporation. Ironical, this, considering that McTaggart marketed Greenpeace as very much the nemesis of the powerful multinational corporation."
http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Movements/Greenpeace/ge-ar-gr.htm
They were worth $157 million in '91. I can't even think how much they'd be worth now.
It's actually hard to find data on Greenpeace. Apparently, being a charity, they don't have to (or want to) disclose things like the CEO's current salary and bonus package. I wish I could find something more current, but I can't, sorry Grip!
It is a bit of a long bow to be drawing comparisons between wholesale slaughter of whales and lying to further your cause, but if you have to lie, obfuscate and hide the truth in misleading statstics, it doesn't HELP your cause.
Greenpeace shouldn't use those tactics, because the (whalers,loggers,Union Carbide, Shell etc) are the bastards, not them.
Unfortunately, they seem to be the bastards too.
look i can faceplant
13-02-2006, 07:40 PM
signed passed on and signed the other one its a disgrace what they are doing and should be stopped
AnthonyJosephNelson
13-02-2006, 08:26 PM
Ok, I'll rephrase what I said.
The Japanese WILL get as many whales as they want. Greenpeace won't stop them. A petition won't stop them. No-one will stop them.
"Under its recently departed guru, David McTaggart, 59, the $157 million (1990 revenues) Greenpeace became a skillfully managed business, mastering the tools of direct mail and image manipulation - and indulging in forms of lobbying that would bring instant condemnation if practiced by a for-profit corporation. Ironical, this, considering that McTaggart marketed Greenpeace as very much the nemesis of the powerful multinational corporation."
http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Movements/Greenpeace/ge-ar-gr.htm
They were worth $157 million in '91. I can't even think how much they'd be worth now.
It's actually hard to find data on Greenpeace. Apparently, being a charity, they don't have to (or want to) disclose things like the CEO's current salary and bonus package. I wish I could find something more current, but I can't, sorry Grip!
It is a bit of a long bow to be drawing comparisons between wholesale slaughter of whales and lying to further your cause, but if you have to lie, obfuscate and hide the truth in misleading statstics, it doesn't HELP your cause.
Greenpeace shouldn't use those tactics, because the (whalers,loggers,Union Carbide, Shell etc) are the bastards, not them.
Unfortunately, they seem to be the bastards too.
I have a feeling we are probably on the same side here;) , but I have to point out that ANY article provided by Forbes and focussed on by the High North Alliance simply cannot be taken at face value when it comes to being unbiased. The High North Alliance, by their own admission, is a very highly funded organisation established to provide the ALTERNATIVE view to that which says whaling should be stopped. This is from their own website...
The organisation was established in response to the campaigns calling for a total ban on all commercial whaling and sealing; and the even more radical ones calling for a total ban on the killing of marine mammals for any reason whatsoever. HNA's task is to provide alternative information to these campaigns. The organisation's objective is to protect the rights of whalers, sealers and fishermen to harvest renewable resources in accordance with the principle of sustainable management. HNA also works towards consolidating the knowledge and skills necessary for the ecologically sound management of marine mammal resources.
So while I really appreciate the debate, NCR I'm afraid that I simply can't accept your POV because of the basis for it.
Cheers
Ok, I'll rephrase what I said.
The Japanese WILL get as many whales as they want. Greenpeace won't stop them. A petition won't stop them. No-one will stop them.
Didn't you forget the maniacal laugh at the end of that statement? Aren't you due at the pre-schoolers debating workshop?
AnthonyJosephNelson
13-02-2006, 08:56 PM
Are you looking for laughs?
Think about it, there's over 100 million people in Japan. I'd say most of them would like to eat a whale or two during their life.
If Sealord copped a few e-mails from that petition, and got just say 1,000,000 different Aussie's (very unlikely to be anywhere near that high) to sign, that's less than 1% of Japan's market. Do you know where 1% is? It's right there next to nothing.
No Skid Marks
13-02-2006, 09:14 PM
If you see a wrong you do everyhting you can within your morals to rectify it,if not then your just lying to yourself. Even if it's only 1%(hypothetical)you still don't know what avenues that may open.Who knows who might be talking to who and or what pollitical situation may arrise where that 1% may have some power.What if our government got some balls and told them to f... off,they'd surelly need something to back it up,or Greenpeace in court or whatever,who knows,to sit on your hands is futile,to put others down for trying is weak.Suit yourself.
AnthonyJosephNelson
13-02-2006, 09:37 PM
I 'signed' it before I made any posts in this thread.
I'm not putting anyone down I just really do not understand how it will help.
zen_rider
16-02-2006, 11:04 AM
Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to tell the japanese what to do environment-wise. I mean their ecological footprint per capita is half that of australia's.
Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to tell the japanese what to do environment-wise. I mean their ecological footprint per capita is half that of australia's.
You know what? The two things are not exclusive, but they do confuse an otherwise simple concept.
Now... regardless of our "ecological footprint per capita" would you like to see an end to whaling or not? If yes then do what you can about it when and where you can and maybe don't confuse the actual issue of this thread with the vaguely related, but totally different, issue of who's the biggest environmental vandal and who has the right to protest a barbaric practice.
The fact is a barbaric practice is a barbaric practice no matter which way you look at it and NO... I don't feel the slightest bit hypocritical in demanding it be stopped.
scblack
16-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to tell the japanese what to do environment-wise. I mean their ecological footprint per capita is half that of australia's.
So, you're trying to tell they should use that footprint to stomp on a few whales? And we've got no no comeback?
Wake up, as Grip says, vaguely related, but different topics completely. The connection is not valid.
I have a feeling we are probably on the same side here;) , but I have to point out that ANY article provided by Forbes and focussed on by the High North Alliance simply cannot be taken at face value when it comes to being unbiased. The High North Alliance, by their own admission, is a very highly funded organisation established to provide the ALTERNATIVE view to that which says whaling should be stopped. This is from their own website...
The organisation was established in response to the campaigns calling for a total ban on all commercial whaling and sealing; and the even more radical ones calling for a total ban on the killing of marine mammals for any reason whatsoever. HNA's task is to provide alternative information to these campaigns. The organisation's objective is to protect the rights of whalers, sealers and fishermen to harvest renewable resources in accordance with the principle of sustainable management. HNA also works towards consolidating the knowledge and skills necessary for the ecologically sound management of marine mammal resources.
So while I really appreciate the debate, NCR I'm afraid that I simply can't accept your POV because of the basis for it.
Cheers
So just because they're not anti-whaling, any arguments they make are immediately null and void? As you implied in one of your later posts, a valid argument is a valid argument regardless of what else one might do. They have as much right to question any unethical practices Greenpeace may (or may not) indulge in as Greenpeace do to question theirs. There ARE two sides to every story.
So just because they're not anti-whaling, any arguments they make are immediately null and void? As you implied in one of your later posts, a valid argument is a valid argument regardless of what else one might do. They have as much right to question any unethical practices Greenpeace may (or may not) indulge in as Greenpeace do to question theirs. There ARE two sides to every story.
Steve, I can see your point, but it's not so much that HNA isn't anti whaling that makes me question/disbelieve what they say... it's the fact that they are totally PRO whaling and therefore I suspect that ANY info that comes from them is way too tainted by their financially driven biases.
The analogy that springs to mind is a court of law being asked to accept as valid a character reference for Mick Gatto given by Mario Condello.
Steve, I can see your point, but it's not so much that HNA isn't anti whaling that makes me question/disbelieve what they say... it's the fact that they are totally PRO whaling and therefore I suspect that ANY info that comes from them is way too tainted by their financially driven biases.
The analogy that springs to mind is a court of law being asked to accept as valid a character reference for Mick Gatto given by Mario Condello.
So you refuse to believe them based on the fact that they're pro-whaling? Keeping that in mind, why then are Greenpeace any more credible with their anti-whaling information? Both have a direct interest in discrediting their opposition and pushing their own agendas (and apparently making money out of it), but it seems to me that a lot of people just believe whoever agrees with their side. If you're anti-whaling then Greenpeace are the honest saviours of the planet, if you're pro-whaling then they're lying, manipulative hypocrites etc etc.
For the record: I'm certainly not pro-whaling (at least, not in the way it's done now - killing whales doesn't bother me, but the way it's done does), nor do I have any real interest in either Greenpeace or HNA. Just playing the devil's advocate :)
You! Playing the devil's advocate? Hard to believe that!;)
So you refuse to believe them based on the fact that they're pro-whaling?
Yep.
Seriously though, there are many, MANY sheckles to be won and lost in the whaling game... and the fact is for all intents and purposes HNA is the whaling industry. Now tell me honestly who YOU would prefer to believe.
Keeping that in mind, why then are Greenpeace any more credible with their anti-whaling information? Both have a direct interest in discrediting their opposition and pushing their own agendas
Because at least Greenpeace has a just cause. The whalers, on the other hand, are just anti-Christ-like fuckers!
Now I think that makes my position clear. So stop bothering me with your devil's advocate 'a hippin' an a jivin' and let me get back to work.:)
Cave Dweller
16-02-2006, 02:16 PM
We are to some degree the pot calling the kettle black which is what i think Zen_rider is trying to say.
We have numerous animal and plant species in Australia that are on the verge of extinction through habitat loss, mainly logging, which is not going to stop anytime soon. And, further to the point, at least Japan has singed Kyoto which is one thing we just can't seem to do.
Whaling shouldn't be condoned, as its a nasty way to die and they are endangered, full stop.
But having your forest, your home, chopped down then napalmed so a company can grow pine plantations is a horrible way to go as well. We shouldn't be getting up on our high horse IMO.
johnny
16-02-2006, 02:25 PM
Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to tell the japanese what to do environment-wise. I mean their ecological footprint per capita is half that of australia's.
What if it's an animal cruelty matter?
No Skid Marks
16-02-2006, 02:30 PM
So because our government is fucked I can't have an opinion or a say in what I believe is a wrong done by others?
Japan don't chop down thier trees in Japan but they buy a hell of alot of our woodchip,this is a point that is not to say that we're clean but to show thier footprint is here also.I do not support our logging and yes we've whipped out more critters in the last 200 years than anyone else,but that does not mean I did it and can't have an opinion and express it as an indiviual and do whatever I see fit to stop it.
johnny
16-02-2006, 02:33 PM
You know what, that ^^^ is a pretty damn good post.
Atomizer
16-02-2006, 02:36 PM
What if it's an animal cruelty matter?
I don't think the Australian Govt can preach on this either given their support of live animal exporting and battery chicken farming practices.
johnny
16-02-2006, 02:48 PM
Yes but I don't export live sheep. I don't drain the bile out of bears. I don't own a battery hen farm, nor do I purchase their products. I don't support many cruel things my Gov't does, nor do I support what the Japanese Gov't does.
I'm signing the petition on behalf of ME, not the Australian Gov't or it's people.
Citizenship doesn't denote complicity or responsibility.
No Skid Marks
16-02-2006, 02:48 PM
So if when you were at school your teacher got covicted of rape,and that day you were walking home from school and saw a girl getting raped you'd do nothing about it,especially if the rapist was smaller than you.Remember your teacher represents you to some degree.
Edit:wait your turn Johnny:)
Atomizer
16-02-2006, 02:55 PM
Yes but I don't export live sheep. I don't drain the bile out of bears. I don't own a battery hen farm, nor do I purchase their products. I don't support many cruel things my Gov't does, nor do I support what the Japanese Gov't does.
I'm signing the petition on behalf of ME, not the Australian Gov't or it's people.
Citizenship doesn't denote complicity or responsibility.
Um...agreed. I was questioning why the government is taking it's anti-whaling stance when it supports the live sheep trade and battery hen farming not our right to think, vote and act according to our own conscience and ethics. This may not have been made as clear as had been intended.
johnny
16-02-2006, 03:04 PM
Sorry, didn't catch it then, still don't catch it now. But I believe you, sorry 'bout that :o
Edit: Yup got it now, cheers! :)
I was questioning why the government is taking it's anti-whaling stance when it supports the live sheep trade and battery hen farming not our right to think, vote and act according to our own conscience and ethics. This may not have been made as clear as had been intended.
I think our Government probably gets more lobying and more pressure to do something about the whaling issue than it does about some of those issues that are closer to home that you mentioned.
Atomizer
16-02-2006, 03:19 PM
I think our Government probably gets more lobying and more pressure to do something about the whaling issue than it does about some of those issues that are closer to home that you mentioned.
True and sadly mate. Cruelty is cruelty after all. Denouncing one form of it whilst turning you back on another makes little sense and a weak argument. I am suprised the Japanese haven't used this as a counter campaign against the Govt.
Yep.
Seriously though, there are many, MANY sheckles to be won and lost in the whaling game... and the fact is for all intents and purposes HNA is the whaling industry. Now tell me honestly who YOU would prefer to believe.
Because at least Greenpeace has a just cause. The whalers, on the other hand, are just anti-Christ-like fuckers!
Now I think that makes my position clear. So stop bothering me with your devil's advocate 'a hippin' an a jivin' and let me get back to work.:)
I still don't think you understand what I'm saying. What you're doing is ignoring one (potentially) valid argument just because of the person (or group) who's making it, rather than the content of the argument. I dislike that approach, IMO it leads to more extremist thought processes that end up being quite irrational and/or over the top (heh, such as calling whalers "anti-christ-like fuckers") rather than making a more objective argument with true credibility.
No Skid Marks
16-02-2006, 08:16 PM
I think practising your debating tallents on something like this that you have no interest in to better yourself is a very shallow action. Cruelty can not be justified,whiping out a species can not be justified. Whaling is unsustainable,there's no argument there. Let it rest S and go back to where you shine and we all apreciate your mind. Please delete this if it seems like a personal attack on S. S knows I'm sure that I respect his views and him normally.
zen_rider
16-02-2006, 09:01 PM
You know what? The two things are not exclusive, but they do confuse an otherwise simple concept.
Now... regardless of our "ecological footprint per capita" would you like to see an end to whaling or not? If yes then do what you can about it when and where you can and maybe don't confuse the actual issue of this thread with the vaguely related, but totally different, issue of who's the biggest environmental vandal and who has the right to protest a barbaric practice.
The fact is a barbaric practice is a barbaric practice no matter which way you look at it and NO... I don't feel the slightest bit hypocritical in demanding it be stopped.
I guess the problem could be divided into animal cruelty and sustainability. For sure, this isn't a humane way of killing whales and doesn't seem sustainable... but....
I'm just sick of countries like America and us preaching to the rest of the world, while we do a whole heap of evil shit ourselves (on the whole we do more probably). And I'm just bitter about the fact that some animals are deemed more worthwhile than others.
And, just because people don't trust greenpeace doesn't mean they don't care.
No Skid Marks
16-02-2006, 09:20 PM
Yes agreed,it is shit having a voice without a bullet proof country behind you.
Any way anyone knows of to voice a protest against our own shit. I know about the logging and stuff but not sure where to throw shit at the sheep thing etc.
Atomizer
17-02-2006, 08:51 AM
.... but not sure where to throw shit at the sheep thing etc.
Watch the video in the link below. Then get typing and throw an e-shit at the PM who supports this inhumanity.
http://www.savethesheep.com/f-aussie_exporter.asp
Binaural
17-02-2006, 10:57 AM
Pretty nasty. Once when I was in Thailand some local electricians showed me a video of some animal I don't recognize being prepared for slaughter in Laos. The butcher literally cut the skin off the animal while it was still alive and struggling (you could see it breathing after the skin was totally off). Apparently it made the meat taste better, but it is one of the cruellest things I have ever seen.
at the drive in
15-05-2006, 06:52 PM
Today in the mail i got a letter from greenpeace asking for a donation to greenpeace to go towards saving the whales. The letter was addressed to me, when i first opened the letter i wondered how they got my details, the only things i could come up with that was i did filled out that petition ages ago. Has anyone else received a letter from greenpeace. The best thing about it was that it came with greenpeace stickers with my name and address on them, im going to donate to them just for the stickers
punk_downhiller
15-05-2006, 07:09 PM
Today in the mail i got a letter from greenpeace asking for a donation to greenpeace to go towards saving the whales. The letter was addressed to me, when i first opened the letter i wondered how they got my details, the only things i could come up with that was i did filled out that petition ages ago. Has anyone else received a letter from greenpeace. The best thing about it was that it came with greenpeace stickers with my name and address on them, im going to donate to them just for the stickers
yeh i gotta letter...already donated
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