State 4X Round 2 - Olympic Park - May 28th

[oldbean]

Just a reminder about the State 4X round coming up in just over 2 weeks.

It is Round 2 of the NSW State 4X series and will be held at the Monster Mountain X track at Sydney Olympic Park on May 28th.

It has previously been advertised that it will be a combined round of the WSMTB Club series, but the logistics of this is too complicated so it will NOT count towards the overall Club series points.

For more info you can download a PDF of the entry form at www.WSMTB.com

Please remember that we would appreciate it if you pre-entered as it makes organising and registration on the day a lot easier for us. You can fax, email or post the completed entry form to us, so it's pretty easy to do.

Hope to see you all there!

[hardtail_rider]

thanks mate. two questions though:

1. what turn out are you expecting for racing? approx?
2. when will the WSMTB 4x round be held?

[Dan.]

what time will the racing be starting.

[alchemist]

Some times I wonder....

From the entry form

Sunday 28/05/06 08:00 to 9:00 Registration & Pick up plates
08:00 to 9:30 Practice
9:45 to 12:00 Competition
12:30 to 14:30 Finals
15:00 Presentation

[wsmtbdhvp]

I am expecting to break 100 but would love to beat the 201 record set by the national round. This would send a big message that with more categories, (national Elite, Sport Junior and Women vs Elite, Sport, Masters, U19, U17, U19, Elite Women, Sport Women, Junior Women, Masters Women) Mountain X can grow bigger quicker.

Next MTNX July 16, we will most probably add a round at the new Ebonezer track before State Round 4 to let you see the track to replace round 5 of club series

[wsmtbdhvp]

Note, old calendars have wrong date this round is on th 28th,
So far pre entries
Sport 1
U17 2
U15 2

[hardtail_rider]

just reading another post on this thread about WSMTB round 4; it says:

Full face helmets are compulsory.
Other protective gear is recommeded but not required.
Bikes MUST have a front brake.
Bikes have to have two of the following:
- 26" wheels
- gears
- suspension

i was talking to another older rider (posibly from the organising commitee) today at the track and he said that you wont need a front brake. this contradicts what is written above.
>>> can someone from the state serise (i.e. Squidly Didly) possibly clarify this for me.

cheers.

[TransitionPete]

I Might be racing. As for front brake ive seen quite a few people race at the 4x without a front brake. So i cant see thier being a problem now..

[ride a mtn bike]

what if you have a bike with 26' wheels and front brake but single speed

[nick89_]

what if you have a bike with 26' wheels and front brake but single speed
If you also have suspension, it's fine. You need 2 of the following: Suspension, 26' Wheels and gears.

[Dim]

sooo because i have:
- Single Speed
- 24 inch wheels
- No front brake

i cant race?

[Daver]

sooo because i have:
- Single Speed
- 24 inch wheels
- No front brake

i cant race?

Not 4x, but feel free to race bmx.

[Dan.]

If you also have suspension, it's fine. You need 2 of the following: Suspension, 26' Wheels and gears.
you dont need a rear shock you can race on a hardtail as well

[oldbean]

OK, to clear a few things up. We have always stated for our club races that a front brake was mandatory. For the State round we will be enforcing this rule. And for those who have a tendency to ask stupid questions, a back brake is also necessary.

The other ruling is that two out of the following three are required:
- 26" wheels
- gears
- suspension

So, a 24" wheeled, single speed with only a rear brake will NOT be allowed to race. A 26" wheeled single speed with a suspension fork and 2 working brakes WILL be allowed to. A 24" wheeled bike with gears, a suspension fork and 2 working brakes WILL be allowed to.

If anybody has a problem with this then they can refer to the controversy after 20" bikes were allowed at the National Round in October last year. We have to draw the line somewhere, and the '2 outta 3' rule is where we have drawn it.

We will not have scrutineering as you enter, but the person on the start gate will be checking bikes in practice. The other thing to be checked is that the ends of your handlebars need to be capped or plugged. It's not hard to do and it can save an uncomfortable injury from becoming a serious one.

And don't forget your full face helmets. They are also mandatory.

Sorry to sound like there's a lot of rules, but people obviously need reminding of these things everytime we have a race.

OK, onto other things...like pre-entries. Pre-entries are good. They make the organisors life a lot easier, and they make it quicker for you, the racer, to register on the day, giving you more practice time, so please, send in your pre-entries, by email or fax.

You can download a PDF entry form at www.WSMTB.com

Other than that, I was out at the track today to have a practice and to do some maintanence. The track is looking hard, dry and fast. We cleared up some of the loose gravel, but there's still plenty out there to catch the unsuspecting. Thanks to Kitoff, Lee and Drew for their help.

See you all on Sunday for some tight racing!

[sockman]

tonights rain might make things interesting

[spewyogrady]

Mr Bean, thanks to you and the crew for the great Job you do in organising these events. Two questions, will there be any canteen/bbq/coffee van on the day as it looks like a longer day than usual...?:) and how are the pre entries going?

[wsmtbdhvp]

Scouts supplying food
Cafe to You the coffee and hot chocolate etc
Mortdale Bike Shed bike maintenence pay for parts only.
Clarence Street Cycles prizes.
Some tents of various bike products and bikes.
FM radio station for P.A. bring your FM radio or if at car listen on car radio.
Cameras' to monitor start straight and finish.
and off course first aid.

[junior]

Whats the go if it rains?

[wsmtbdhvp]

The licence agreement states
1.1 Wet Weather
The Licensee will consult with SOPA’s nominated officer the day before and on the morning prior the club day to jointly decide if the club sports program day will proceed according to the weather conditions of the day.

WSMTB is the licensee, our main concern is damaging the track.

[oldbean]

Whats the go if it rains?

Steve provided some answers to this, but what it means is that we can't use it if it's going to lead to permanent damage and need to consult with a SOPA ranger on the day. We will be pushing to run it if at all possible.

But remember, the day of the National round in October it was raining when we were registering, and there were puddles when practice started, and the track was perfect by the afternoon.

We will be posting on here if there is any news in the next few days.

[oldbean]

Well, it's the night before the race and there has been no further rain, so the race looks set to go ahead.

As a reminder, here's the program for the day:
8:00 to 9:00 Registration & Pick up plates
8:00 to 9:30 Practice
9:45 to 12:00 Competition
12:30 to 14:30 Finals
15:00 Presentation

Hope to see you all there!

[Wattsy]

sorry, i didn't get to send my form in. The fax number was engaged all day. Cya there.

[Mr Sheen]

Big thanks to all the people who helped out today , without you guys and girls we wouldnt have any racing. There was a few mix ups with the finals that worked out bad for some , but for me it worked out tops.
On a more sour note . Im all for bmx riders coming and having a go after all we need new riders to build the sport. I just couldnt get over the amount of complaining i heard during the day like "this sux its too bumpy" and "thats unfair you would never get away with that move in bmx". Well its not bmx its 4x mountain bike racing , so if you dont like it dont ride. Any way now thats out of my system it was a good days racing.:D

[hardtail_rider]

yeah it was a fun day racing for all. racing today on my part wasnt successful and i was having bad gates/corners all day.
>>>props to people who took out the classes and a special mention goes to Tom Patton in U/19. luck was on his side throughout the day and he pulled out on top of Ryan Jobson in the final. he again shows true pro rider style stacking TWICE in the same helmet cam run after racing finished. cant wait to see that one on the forums. i think Tom needs a buisness card (as well as STP_RULEZ) just to show how "31337" (elite) he really is.

well done to all compeditors and hopefuly racing can become a stronger sport in this field.

see you all at state #3.

[junior]

yeah it was a fun day racing for all. racing today on my part wasnt successful and i was having bad gates/corners all day.
>>>props to people who took out the classes and a special mention goes to Tom Patton in U/19. luck was on his side throughout the day and he pulled out on top of Ryan Jobson in the final. he again shows true pro rider style stacking TWICE in the same helmet cam run after racing finished. cant wait to see that one on the forums. i think Tom needs a buisness card (as well as STP_RULEZ) just to show how "31337" (elite) he really is.

well done to all compeditors and hopefuly racing can become a stronger sport in this field.

see you all at state #3.

Did'nt need no luck to beat any bmx'ers... just need to be able to do a inside line properly and you have beaten them.

But the crashes on the otherhand..... fucking packed it hahaha

[Wattsy]

Was a good day. i enjoyed myself, got worked aswell. Thank's to wsmtb for puttin on an awesome day.

[scblack]

UNIMPRESSED with the organising of this race today.

Why does 4X have such difficulty managing to sort results to manage to get finals even near to time? Or with the correct riders? BMX manages it, with many more riders, gates and ages to contend with.

In my final I checked as soon as moto results had been sorted, and I was in the final.

Great so naturally I stuck around for it. Some other masters checked the points, and they confirmed one rider was out of the final, but I was still there.

An hour and a half later, while placed in the gate start slot for the final, the radio call is made to check points. I am out of the final.

I am NOT shitty about missing the final - I came fifth, nothing to be done about that. But the fact it took roughly TWO hours all up, and essentially three re-counts to get the f**ken final sorted is pretty damn hopeless.

I have a family at home, and wanted to get there some time in the afternoon. That happened a lot later than necessary.

UNIMPRESSED.

[sockman]

i suppose you are reffering to the sitting around for an hour while noone knew what was happening?

didnt go as well as i hoped...14th in 17's :(

great fun, good catering but i dont think many finals were mtb dominated

[dirtdemon]

When and where will the full results be posted?

[spewyogrady]

UNIMPRESSED with the organising of this race today.

Why does 4X have such difficulty managing to sort results to manage to get finals even near to time? Or with the correct riders? BMX manages it, with many more riders, gates and ages to contend with.

In my final I checked as soon as moto results had been sorted, and I was in the final.

Great so naturally I stuck around for it. Some other masters checked the points, and they confirmed one rider was out of the final, but I was still there.

An hour and a half later, while placed in the gate start slot for the final, the radio call is made to check points. I am out of the final.

I am NOT shitty about missing the final - I came fifth, nothing to be done about that. But the fact it took roughly TWO hours all up, and essentially three re-counts to get the f**ken final sorted is pretty damn hopeless.

I have a family at home, and wanted to get there some time in the afternoon. That happened a lot later than necessary.

UNIMPRESSED.

As usual, big thanks to all the WSMTB crew, the Pylet boys and anyone else who volunteered a whole sunday to make this an enjoyable day.

Highlight for me was seeing the Buchanan girl carve up the boys.

The BMXicans have certainly got some mad technique.

scblack, remember these events are organised and run solely by volunteers,who are giving up their time so that you can race, people are human and mistakes are made. Over the last year or so that I have been taking my kids to these events the one thing I have learnt is that if you are not contributing you simply cannot complain. The people running the event probably wanted to get home just as much as you did. Their time is just as valuable as yours.

Oh and as for the catering...once the word got around that the scouts were selling mystery bags with soy/rubber/sawdust in them, that was the end of the BBQ for most people.

[Speedy]

As usual, big thanks to all the WSMTB crew, the Pylet boys and anyone else who volunteered a whole sunday to make this an enjoyable day.

Highlight for me was seeing the Buchanan girl carve up the boys.

The BMXicans have certainly got some mad technique.

scblack, remember these events are organised and run solely by volunteers,who are giving up their time so that you can race, people are human and mistakes are made. Over the last year or so that I have been taking my kids to these events the one thing I have learnt is that if you are not contributing you simply cannot complain. The people running the event probably wanted to get home just as much as you did. Their time is just as valuable as yours.

Oh and as for the catering...once the word got around that the scouts were selling mystery bags with soy/rubber/sawdust in them, that was the end of the BBQ for most people.

I was there when scblack missed out and I can understand how annoyed he was but it was all on volunteers so...

Yeah the damn scouts rip off prices sausage sandwidges $2.50 thats crazy I know its a small amount but its TOO much for one...what a sad gripe.

Yeah BMXers showed alot of style yesterday they've got me running clipless now for that extra speed. Great day though and great racing!

[scblack]

I was there when scblack missed out and I can understand how annoyed he was but it was all on volunteers so...


I realise it is volunteering, but when the question has been put to them two/three times in the previous two hours or so, and the answer is only provided correctly while on the start gate, I feel I have every justification in being very annoyed.

[Speedy]

I realise it is volunteering, but when the question has been put to them two/three times in the previous two hours or so, and the answer is only provided correctly while on the start gate, I feel I have every justification in being very annoyed.

Agreed a similar thing happened to us in the U19 it came down to somebody suggesting that we ignore the numbers and just ask who has come what, it worked out in the end but just not right.

[spewyogrady]

Yeah the damn scouts rip off prices sausage sandwidges $2.50 thats crazy I know its a small amount but its TOO much for one...what a sad gripe.


Never mentioned the price, should have put a sarcastic ironic smiley next to that one, made it easier for you, got no problems with scouts raising money, just got a general problem with indeterminate rubber meat products. :)

[Speedy]

Never mentioned the price, should have put a sarcastic ironic smiley next to that one, made it easier for you, got no problems with scouts raising money, just got a general problem with indeterminate rubber meat products. :)

Hehehe yeah, I'm just so rediculously poor at the moment I'm bitching about everything involving cost:p

[oldbean]

Hey there guys,

I finally got the courage to post up on here about the days racing yesterday.

When everything was finished yesterday afternoon I had to look back with a sense of disapointment that we as a club didn't run a better event for all the people who had made the effort to come out there and race. Before the event, I thought we had done the planning necessary to ensure that everything would run smoothly. Unfortunately this proved to not be the case. I think that there were a lot of positives about the day (everyone I spoke to said that the racing itself was great) but I'm the first to admit that we need to work on our program to make sure that mistakes don't happen again. If I was a racer I would have been disapointed myself with the way it was run. I've been there before! All I can say is that I'm glad a majority of people seemed to have a good time racing, but that I am sorry for the stuff ups and the delays. We are already working on doing it better next time!

scblack, I understand where you are coming from and completely understand your frustration. I felt terrible having to tell you that you hadn't made the final and that you could've gone home much earlier. You've been a great supporter of our club series and I hope that you won't write us off now. As I said above, we are already working on running a better race next time.

As for the results, they will be available on the club website in the next day or two, as soon as our webmaster gets a chance to post them up.

And as for the next race, State Round 3 is on June 18th at the Green Grocers track at Goulborn, run by CORC, and WSMTB Club Round 5 is on July 16th at Olympic Park. You'll notice that this was previously advertised as Club Round 6, as the State round was going to count for Club points as well, but that idea was scrapped.

Thanks again for all your support of the race and I hope to see you out the track again soon!

[spewyogrady]

Fair enough.;)

Where are all the photos? there were a few bling looking Cameras around the place. Any Pixelpics or mobs like that out there?

[Goobs]

Unfortunately this proved to not be the case. I think that there were a lot of positives about the day (everyone I spoke to said that the racing itself was great) but I'm the first to admit that we need to work on our program to make sure that mistakes don't happen again.

If by program you mean excel spreadsheet ??? I'd be happy to have a look at it, and see if it can be improved. From my experience ( I've competed in the last three 4x race held by WSMTB) , it would seem the results totalisation is a manual process. Surely this can be automated? I work as a software engineer, I regularly have to make excel do some crazy stuff.

Send me an email to gooberk@hotmail.com if your interested oldbean!

On another note, in my spare time I've been looking at developing a dedicated 4x race management application. I haven't put much effort into it. But if there is a use for it, I might put in a converted effort to get it completed.

Cheers

Goobs

[Slave]

I realise it is volunteering, but when the question has been put to them two/three times in the previous two hours or so, and the answer is only provided correctly while on the start gate, I feel I have every justification in being very annoyed.

True, results need to be posted early and riders need to be given time to digest them.

But combining the Masters and U19 categories and then separting those classes for the finals was a bad idea. Getting into the final based on how you faired against the U19's didn't really represent how well you could go against other riders of your category.

But it is racing and hey I was t-boned in the final so you also need to accept that the sport needs to mature more, so that the racing is organised and governed consistently.

[TS153]

Im all for bmx riders coming and having a go after all we need new riders to build the sport. I just couldnt get over the amount of complaining i heard during the day like "this sux its too bumpy" and "thats unfair you would never get away with that move in bmx". Well its not bmx its 4x mountain bike racing , so if you dont like it dont ride..:D

I am a BMXer, as such I dont appreciate being bagged out. Now I dont know about the too bumpy comment because personally I think a MTB is alot more forgiving than a BMX bike and sorry to say but the bike is doing alot of the work for you! Now I do remember saying something about the unfair riding on the day, I have been racing since I was 5, now 22, but just because the organisers on the day didnt have the man power to put poles or lines on the insides of the corners and have an official on each corner, doesnt mean it gives certain riders the right to ride off the inside of the track to cut someone off on the inside of the corner. This wasnt said in protest to a MTBer doing it to a BMXer it was said in the understanding that we all wanted to ride fair.
Also please explain to me what it is that the MTBers have against the bmxers because we BMXers dont have anything against the MTBers we just love racing

[pyley]

well....now thats a good question!

seems there's good and bad from both sides, I myself have never been harrased by bmxers and have never given any crap to bmxers.
that said i know alot of the younger guys cop crap and give crap back to bmxers...

why this happens im not sure...

i know that bmxers don't like mtbers because we trash there jumps (but anyone, bmxer or mtber who can't jump well, will trash landers). mtbers seem to get the shits with the "you trashed our jumps" attitude.

As for mtnx racing, the first nat round at olympic park saw bmxers racing on bmx's win in the end:( ...that alone got up a few peoples nozes, because, it is called mountain cross not bicycle moto cross.:cool:

only a small peice if the puzzle but this is all ive seen...if anyone has aything to add...please do

peace

[Jimmy401]

I am a BMXer, as such I dont appreciate being bagged out. Now I dont know about the too bumpy comment because personally I think a MTB is alot more forgiving than a BMX bike and sorry to say but the bike is doing alot of the work for you! Now I do remember saying something about the unfair riding on the day, I have been racing since I was 5, now 22, but just because the organisers on the day didnt have the man power to put poles or lines on the insides of the corners and have an official on each corner, doesnt mean it gives certain riders the right to ride off the inside of the track to cut someone off on the inside of the corner. This wasnt said in protest to a MTBer doing it to a BMXer it was said in the understanding that we all wanted to ride fair.
Also please explain to me what it is that the MTBers have against the bmxers because we BMXers dont have anything against the MTBers we just love racing

jumps are for air, why have jumps if ur gonna pump em' thats why i dislike bmxers, nothing against the people. I also hate the fact that they are faster than me... :p they by a bike like a day before the event and kick everyones asses, also all of us got whooped by a chick (not being sexist its just rare to see females on the race scene let alone seeing them kick us all.) mtbers get pissed coz u guys are quicker than us...

ooh ooh, dont go on a mountain bike forum and winge about mountain bikers :)
welcome to farkin.

[Mr Sheen]

I never bagged any one. I also have no problem with bmx ers (i only sold my bmx this year ) I was just not impressed with the attitude that SOME bmx riders had at that race. If ts153 read my post better he would already understand that. As for cutting people off up the inside , thats racing mate.

[Jimmy401]

I never bagged any one. I also have no problem with bmx ers (i only sold my bmx this year ) I was just not impressed with the attitude that SOME bmx riders had at that race. If ts153 read my post better he would already understand that. As for cutting people off up the inside , thats racing mate.

perfectly said.

[Slave]

As for cutting people off up the inside , thats racing mate.
I'd say that's 4x racing mate. If you have a BMX background then you are used to tight marshalling. People with flags on corners and riders going over the finish line with one arm in the air signalling a protest. And protests being taken seriously.

4x isn't as well regualted, maybe that's a sign of the sports maturity or maybe it's the direction that the sport is moving in.

[TS153]

Sorry I wasnt havin a go at you guys in particular but a Fair few of the BMXers have run into alot of nobs since we have started, also made alot of friends.
As for the protest thing, prostesting was banned years ago and the rules were ammended so you can pretty much get away with anything now. What I was talking about people going off the track missing whole jumps to pull a move now to me thats cheating no matter who does it

[Mr Sheen]

Fair enough mate.