new child employment act and regulation, good or bad?

[punk_downhiller]

Just heard about this and think that why it may be protecting young children, is it really neccesary?

I mean, no more than 12 hours a week?? Thats less than half what I work now, and will therefore dramatically reduce my weekly income. But again, i haven't been approached by my employer to say that my hours will be reduced. It mentions that if you are on work experience, vocational placements, apprenticeships, traineeships or charitable collections covered by other legislation that these laws do not apply to you. Well i just recently applied to complete my certificate II course with my place of employment, and can therefore result in me becoming a crew trainer, so will these laws apply to me, as i am technically under a traineeship?

So, what are your opinions on this new law?

[I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11]

that is kinda lop sided.... I don't really understand the point


and you have an aliens quote in your sig.. that's cool

[|Matt|]

Thats pretty bad, 12 hours a week. Is that for all states or just QLD?

But when you think about it, 12 hours a week is 4 hours a night if you work 3 nights, 3 hours if you work 4 days etc etc so its still a change, and it does affect (or is it effect?) your income but it at least gives you more study time (mentioned below)

I don't have a job as yet, but when i do i wouldn't really want to work more than 12 hours as i will probably start looking next year, (or later this year) and i am year 10 now (doesn't matter so much), but next year i'll be year 11.
Of course this doesn't matter as much as year 12, which is an entirely different story. I think i'd be leaving a job if i had one in year 12, just so i can keep riding a little after school and on weekends and still have some study time.

[punk_downhiller]

I understand where your coming from stpzeroridah, but the only thing that worries me is that my hours aren't during the week. Yeah I get the occasional 4 or 5 hour shift of monday and thursday, but the rest of my hours are made up of my weekend shifts. I pull in up to 21 hours on a weekend. So would this still apply to me?? As it states a 'school week', so would this mean a school week as in Monday to Friday, or would it include the weekend?

Also, I-AM-TEH-FASTEST-11, my first post was written out of anger, confusion and i was overly tired.

I guess my point is that what if you don't plan on continuing school after grade 10? I know that I will, but what about all those kids who are relying on making a substantial amount this year, so they have something to fall back on if they drop out of school after grade 10.

And also, to re-word my question. I recently applied to do my Certificate II course through work, so would this mean that I am now under a traineeship? As this course requires me to do certain sections while being at work.

And also, i work at maccas, so thats why i have so many hours.....

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

Ha ha! Any excuse to dig this up...

The Scene:
Four well-dressed men are sitting together at a vacation resort.
'Farewell to Thee' is played in the background on Hawaiian guitar.

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FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You're right there, Obadiah.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
A cup o' cold tea.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Without milk or sugar.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Or tea.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In a cracked cup, an' all.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son".
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was right.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Cardboard box?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
ALL:
They won't!

[sawtell]

Does your local drinking hole have internet access!! HAHAHAHA :p

Stuff the new laws, its only illegal if you get caught..i dont see how they can inforce a law like that purly based on the fact that you go to school..
i belive it is your decision to work or not...
and if you can handle the work load.

My older cousin used to work 6-12 everynight of the week, and all sunday.
..didnt seem to damage his 96.8 ENTER or what ever he got (*note im pretty sure that was it)..

I just dont understand how some person can judge you without even knowing your name or where you live or that you even exsist and tell you that you can not work for more then 12 hours a week, due to the fact that it will damage your schooling....


If they make this a compulsory thing, i dont know what i will do but i defintaly will not be happy....

[ScottD]

yeh 12 hours of legal work;)
go work in some dodgy pizza shop and get paid cash work as many hours as you like......
but 12 hours is shit i am doing about 16-20 hours now in 2 proper jobs and the only thing stopping me doing more is the parents.

[tu plang]

Does your local drinking hole have internet access!! HAHAHAHA :p

Stuff the new laws, its only illegal if you get caught..i dont see how they can inforce a law like that purly based on the fact that you go to school..
i belive it is your decision to work or not...
and if you can handle the work load.

My older cousin used to work 6-12 everynight of the week, and all sunday.
..didnt seem to damage his 96.8 ENTER or what ever he got (*note im pretty sure that was it)..

I just dont understand how some person can judge you without even knowing your name or where you live or that you even exsist and tell you that you can not work for more then 12 hours a week, due to the fact that it will damage your schooling....


If they make this a compulsory thing, i dont know what i will do but i defintaly will not be happy....


thats the thing though, a lot of places like maccas make it difficult to work a fair number of hours a week. i knew people in year 10/11/12 that were doing 40 hours a week. if you arent willing to do a certain number of hours, they find someone that is.

[sawtell]

thats the thing though, a lot of places like maccas make it difficult to work a fair number of hours a week. i knew people in year 10/11/12 that were doing 40 hours a week. if you arent willing to do a certain number of hours, they find someone that is.

yeah thats fairenough,
But i know that many of those major companies (colesmyer, KFC, PIzza hut etc etc etc) ask you how many hours etc you want to work a week, and when you are available on the application forms..
Obviously if you can only work 2 hours a week, there not going to put the money into training you. They are going to prefer some one who can work 2+ hours a day

You have greater chance of getting the job if you say you are always available.
And thats where you get trapped into the 40 hours a plus a week, when you dont want to, as you have infact said, yes i can work this much when you applied.

It may not be legal to do what they do, but i can pretty much guarrantee its true. ;)

[punk_downhiller]

thats the thing though, a lot of places like maccas make it difficult to work a fair number of hours a week. i knew people in year 10/11/12 that were doing 40 hours a week. if you arent willing to do a certain number of hours, they find someone that is.

while that is true, i also find that maccas are very flexible with my hours. just comes down to whether or not you are a reliable employee. If you always turn up to shifts, only call in sick on the odd occasion, you will find that managers will have much more time for you. I find that i can ask to go home an hour early or whatever, and generally the managers will let me go as i am a reliable employee. But, if you are someone who rarely turns up to shifts, and who always calls in sick, you will get minimum hours as the managers won't have time for you.

these holidays i've been working around 30 hours, but during the school term i ensure that managers only give me 20-25 hours a week. And i only get three shifts, and those are friday, saturday and sunday nights, and i can usually get up to 21 hours. My recent report card was good, I got straight B+ and one A+, so work does not effect my schooling.

Sawtell is right, how can they judge you and say that work effects your schooling when they don't even know how well you do in school.

[Cave Dweller]

To have a guess i would say it is part of the governments wider plan to get people (in particular single mothers and people with a disability) off the pension, because we all know they are a bunch of money sucking slackers if you listen to howard that is.........

Limit kids to 12 hours, the extra hours will need to be taken up by older people who will now be paid a shit kiddy wage or end up with no pension.

I guess in the governments eyes you kids don't need to the money, you can sponge off your parents and have no voting power so they don't care about you, and they would save some money making disabled people or single mothers flip burgers instead.

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

Does your local drinking hole have internet access!! HAHAHAHA :p



It's not mine! It's the transcript from a famous Monty Python sketch I pasted in although I was in the hotel bar last night using the wi-fi and knocking back a few cold ones...