Ku Klux Klan......really.

[Dozer]

I was reading our local Coffs Harbour paper today and read an article about the Ku Klux Klan operating in Casino NSW. Apparently this branch of the Ku is part of the U.S's biggest clan; the Imperial Klans. They are identified by a mailbox number and in the past few years members of the Casino clan have been dressing up in their favorite nightey and pillow case parading around outside local Aboriginal dwellings.
I can't believe in our day and age of freedom that these pinhead moron's are still living in the past and carrying this old tradition along. What benefit does it have? If they are a group with strong beliefs in something than why don't they ever preach what it is? I'm not telling members to come out of the dark and start parading around but I fail to understand what they actually do for their group.
Does anyone know what and why they do what they do? Also, has anyone ever come across the Ku?

[RCOH]

She went away for the holidays said shes
Going to l.a. but she never got there
She never got there, she never got there, they say

She went away for the holidays said shes
Going to l.a. but she never got there
She never got there, she never got there, they say

The kkk took my baby away they took her away
Away from me the kkk took my baby away
They took her away away from me

Now I dont know where my baby can be they
Took her away from me they took her away from me
I dont know where my baby can be they took
Her away from mr they took her away from me

Ring me, ring me, ring me up the president
And finf out where my baby went
Ring me, ring me, ring me up the fbi and find
Out if babys alive yeah, yeah, yeah

O-o-o-o-o-o o-o-o-o-o-o
She went away for holidays she went away for holidays

The kkk took my baby away the kkk took my baby away

They took my girl they took my baby away

[Superman]

Does anyone know what and why they do what they do? Also, has anyone ever come across the Ku?

Racist people who are heavily Christian I think. You're right in thinking that they'd be over it by now, but I guess to be in the KKK ya would have to miss that point.....

Who wants to come KKK hunting tonight? :p

Sam

[Dozer]

Who wants to come KKK hunting tonight? :p

Sam

That'd be fun...... If they wear white sheets does that mean the rival group wears black? I hope so because I want to wear black, that'd set 'em right off! Do you think they'd be brave enough to come out in the open and say "I'm a clueless idiot that likes to be pointed at and punched!" :rolleyes:

[Superman]

That'd be fun...... If they wear white sheets does that mean the rival group wears black? I hope so because I want to wear black, that'd set 'em right off! Do you think they'd be brave enough to come out in the open and say "I'm a clueless idiot that likes to be pointed at and punched!" :rolleyes:

Not by themselves, only in groups on horses carrying shotguns wearing a pillowcase to hide their shameful identity. :rolleyes:

[nizai]

I remember when John Safran did his religion thing on SBS they said the Klan was looking to set up in Australia. Especially funny was his attempt to join them despite being a Jew.

N

[Elbo]

The kkk took my baby away they took her away
Away from me

Classic Ramones song, came into my head as i was reading the first post too. I haven't heard of the KKK running in Australia, but there are a lot of racist people in australia and in the world so i wouldn't be suprised if it were up and running here.

[gravelclimber]

Who needs those dirty foreign funny talkin' Ku Klux Klan types when we've very own Australian League of Rights, Australian Nationalist Movement and Citizen's Electoral Council to stand up for all our freedoms (provided you're a white, straight, Christian right-wing nutter).

[Dozer]

Who needs those dirty foreign funny talkin' Ku Klux Klan types when we've very own Australian League of Rights, Australian Nationalist Movement and Citizen's Electoral Council to stand up for all our freedoms (provided you're a white, straight, Christian right-wing nutter).

Good point, they don't need to wear white pillow cases, the skirt they wear is enough of a giveaway.
BTW: What about a white, straight nutter? Do they get looked after?;)

[dr.matt]

last year there was a story about kkk members around the northen england area. they didnt hurt anyone (i dont think they even dressed in the attire), just got together, aired their opinions to each other. wheres the harm??

[dr.matt]

If they are a group with strong beliefs in something than why don't they ever preach what it is

i think we all know what 'it' is

[NCR600]

You're 18, you wanna be a man, your granddaddys in the Ku Klux Klan.

They're here alright. Been here for years. I've actually met members based in South Western Sydney.

I don't think they do much though, or at least they wouldn't tell me what they got up to. I'm pretty sure they don't go around wearing sheets in public or burning crosses, at least anywhere that might draw attention to themselves.

I've also seen obviously Klan related merch on sale at what should have been a totally apolitical trade show (I won't mention what trade show it was, but I complained to the organiser about the company selling them)

[gravelclimber]

What about a white, straight nutter? Do they get looked after?

Sure do - Liberal Party :)

[S.]

Who needs those dirty foreign funny talkin' Ku Klux Klan types when we've very own Australian League of Rights, Australian Nationalist Movement and Citizen's Electoral Council to stand up for all our freedoms (provided you're a white, straight, Christian right-wing nutter).

hahahaha, that made me chuckle. Nice :D

[Dumbellina]

I was reading our local Coffs Harbour paper today and read an article about the Ku Klux Klan operating in Casino NSW. Apparently this branch of the Ku is part of the U.S's biggest clan; the Imperial Klans. They are identified by a mailbox number and in the past few years members of the Casino clan have been dressing up in their favorite nightey and pillow case parading around outside local Aboriginal dwellings.
I can't believe in our day and age of freedom that these pinhead moron's are still living in the past and carrying this old tradition along. What benefit does it have? If they are a group with strong beliefs in something than why don't they ever preach what it is? I'm not telling members to come out of the dark and start parading around but I fail to understand what they actually do for their group.
Does anyone know what and why they do what they do? Also, has anyone ever come across the Ku?

Working with Aboriginal people from Casino and Kyogle, they say they get leaflets and other taunts from these people. The people in those areas say they know who who the KKK people are, but rarely is anything done about it.

The KKK in northern NSW are connected with racists in SE Queensland. It is tied into the christian fundamentalism up there.

There are also several murders in the area, said to be linked to the racist (not necessarily KKK).

[dr.matt]

taken from the website of the knights of the klu klux klan

the klan adopted the fiery cross from the traditions of old scotland where the fiery cross was used as a symbol against tyranny.
the original meaning of the robe and hood comes from ancient european rituals meaning fraternal brotherhood and anonymity in doing good works. we wear the robe and hood in our ceremonies in honour of our traditions. our robe is no more improper or out of place in our rituals today than the judges' robes in modern courts.
we dont wear the robes and hoods for several reasons;

many people are frightened by it, we have enough troubles with media portrayal.
the knights is not a secret organisation although we keep members affiliation confidential.
we do not wish to give potential troublemakers an easy way to commit violent crimes under disguise of the robe and hood.
today the robe and hood is worn at the christian cross lighting ceremony once a year at our national meeting as a matter of tradition.

so some of you should obviously read up on them before assuming every kkk person burns crosses in peoples yards and bashes/attacks etc anyone not white. while some of their policies may be a bit much, ALOT of them make sense to me anyway. i wont say which ones, so assume all you like about me:)

[HydroLick_Action]

man that is really messed up! And with the little bit of racial tension round oz we've had lately that can't be good. people wearing pillow cases like that should be sent off on a rubber inflatable boat into the middle of the Artic sea

[Binaural]

so some of you should obviously read up on them before assuming every kkk person burns crosses in peoples yards and bashes/attacks etc anyone not white. while some of their policies may be a bit much, ALOT of them make sense to me anyway. i wont say which ones, so assume all you like about me:)

Most of the Klan's policies make sense to you? I think that I will assume that if your brain was made of gunpowder you couldn't blow your wig off.

[gravelclimber]

so some of you should obviously read up on them before assuming every kkk person burns crosses in peoples yards and bashes/attacks etc anyone not white. while some of their policies may be a bit much, ALOT of them make sense to me anyway. i wont say which ones, so assume all you like about me

Surely you're joking. If you believe any of the shit the espouse then have problems. Lets see: White supremacism, racial purity through segregation of blacks and whites, the existence of the world-wide Jewish conspiracy etc.. Anyone who thinks even one of these things makes sense is a tool. That's only my assumption of course.

[dr.matt]

truly statements of the uninformed guys, gotta do better than that. look at the web site and stop being stereotypical.

[gravelclimber]

truly statements of the uninformed guys, gotta do better than that. look at the web site and stop being stereotypical.

Well have the balls to tell us which KKK policies you agree with.

Here's some nice statements from Thom Robb, the leader of the Knights Of the Ku Klux Klan:

Robb is a "pastor" in the so-called "Identity" movement, which holds that northern Europeans are the true descentdants of the Biblical Israelites and that the Jews are descended from Satan. Robb has stated: "I hate Jews. I hate race-mizing Jews. We've let Antichrist Jews into our country and we've been cursed with abortion, inflation, homosexuality, and the threat of war."

Robb's racism is also a matter of record. In an April 1990 editorial in his hate sheet The Torch, Robb wrote: "When the Negro was under the natural discipline of white authority, white people were safe from the abuse and violence of the Negro, but the Negro was also safe from himself."

He must be stereotyping himself.

[Arete]

I'm more concerned about National Front, who had a rather vocal role in what happened at Cronulla. Organisations based on white supremist/nationalist/racist bullshit arenot new to Australia unfortunately. If you want to be truly scared by some of the nutbags out there, the down under section of the stormfront website is an eye opener.

[dr.matt]

heres my balls;

concepts of private property
free speech
parental rights
right to trial by jury
right to prtect yourself, family and property
putting australia 1st
cutting down or stopping foreign aid to help our own 1st
a flat income tax
death penalty for those accused of molestation and rape
everyone who can work should work
support all australian veterans
against gay marriages (the kkk wants to ban homosexuals altogether; i only say marriages).
no special privelges. no-one should get something others cannot based purely on colour or race.

if all you are going to do is focus on their negatives that is naive. every group, religion, club and race has negatives about them.

[S.]

heres my balls;

concepts of private property
free speech
parental rights
right to trial by jury
right to prtect yourself, family and property
putting australia 1st
cutting down or stopping foreign aid to help our own 1st
a flat income tax
death penalty for those accused of molestation and rape
everyone who can work should work
support all australian veterans
against gay marriages (the kkk wants to ban homosexuals altogether; i only say marriages).

HAHAHAHA. And you're calling OTHER people misinformed and thus implying that they're ignorant?
We already have concepts of private property, free speech, parental rights, right to trial by jury, right to protect yourself/family/property with reasonable force, we already prioritise Australia over other countries, and we already support Aussie veterans. Flat income tax is a terrible idea, death penalties are proven to have little to no effect on crime rates. Did you somehow miss all this stuff? And why exactly is it that you conveniently omitted the violent, anti-Semitic, white supremacist, racial purist ideals they would like to uphold?

[Drizz]

heres my balls;

concepts of private property
free speech
parental rights
right to trial by jury
right to prtect yourself, family and property
putting australia 1st
cutting down or stopping foreign aid to help our own 1st
a flat income tax
death penalty for those accused of molestation and rape
everyone who can work should work
support all australian veterans
against gay marriages (the kkk wants to ban homosexuals altogether; i only say marriages).
no special privelges. no-one should get something others cannot based purely on colour or race.

if all you are going to do is focus on their negatives that is naive. every group, religion, club and race has negatives about them.

Are they presenting these views in an appropriate/constructive manner? What you mentioned on your list are similar agendas to ones held by the Family First/More conservative part of the Liberals/Nationals, but mentioning the KKK along with these will undoubtably tainted the arguement with a racist overtone.

[scottmeister]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=116

Fuck, some....sorry, all.....of the opinions expressed on that forum are despicable. Seriously, it shows how many people in Australia are fucked in the head, to even seriously consider believing half the shit they spew everywhere. Grrr. :mad:

[mtb1611]

The KKK crack me up, for several reasons. The most important one is that they remind me of The Hard-Ons....again, for several reasons! The Hard Ons had Australians of Yugolav, Sri Lankan and Asian heritage as members, yet were accused of being a racist band! Why? Because the cover for the best power-pop ballad EVER, "All Set To Go" had caricatures of all 3 members dressed as KKK henchmen: all you could see beneath the white sheets were their eyes - one set of caucasian eyes, one set of eyes on dark skin, and one set of Asian eyes! All captioned with the socio-political gem "White Folks Suck!".

Ah, thank you KKK for giving us a great Hard Ons 7 inch single cover. Now go and fuck your sisters again.

[Arete]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=116

Fuck, some....sorry, all.....of the opinions expressed on that forum are despicable. Seriously, it shows how many people in Australia are fucked in the head, to even seriously consider believing half the shit they spew everywhere. Grrr. :mad:


Yeah, I didin't want to post a direct link as a)I try to avoid reading the page too often for the sake of my blood pressure b)I find it pretty offensive, I'm sure most people would.

heres my balls;

concepts of private property
free speech
parental rights
right to trial by jury
right to prtect yourself, family and property
putting australia 1st
cutting down or stopping foreign aid to help our own 1st
a flat income tax
death penalty for those accused of molestation and rape
everyone who can work should work
support all australian veterans
against gay marriages (the kkk wants to ban homosexuals altogether; i only say marriages).
no special privelges. no-one should get something others cannot based purely on colour or race.

if all you are going to do is focus on their negatives that is naive. every group, religion, club and race has negatives about them.


You do understand how contradictory and hypocritical most of that list is when combined with the clan's other official and underlying fundamental motivations?

[gravelclimber]

concepts of private property
free speech
parental rights
right to trial by jury
right to prtect yourself, family and property
putting australia 1st
cutting down or stopping foreign aid to help our own 1st
a flat income tax
death penalty for those accused of molestation and rape
everyone who can work should work
support all australian veterans
against gay marriages (the kkk wants to ban homosexuals altogether; i only say marriages).
no special privelges. no-one should get something others cannot based purely on colour or race.



Hahahaha...that's some funny shit. Thanks for posting it though.

Did you know Fascist Italian dictator Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler was all for national parks. You're right - it's good to focus on the positives.

[dr.matt]

And why exactly is it that you conveniently omitted the violent, anti-Semitic, white supremacist, racial purist ideals they would like to uphold?

cuase i said i agreed with some of it, read what i write. is it so difficult for you?

f**k it, im gunna quit beating 'round the bush, i agree with some of the racial stuff to. there - its in the open. im racist. so f**king what. deal with it.

[S.]

cuase i said i agreed with some of it, read what i write. is it so difficult for you?

f**k it, im gunna quit beating 'round the bush, i agree with some of the racial stuff to. there - its in the open. im racist. so f**king what. deal with it.

Nice to see you letting prejudices take over logic. Lemme know how that goes for you later on in life. Or don't.

[Binaural]

Yeah, I didin't want to post a direct link as a)I try to avoid reading the page too often for the sake of my blood pressure b)I find it pretty offensive, I'm sure most people would.


The other good reason not to give a direct link is because it improves its page ranking in google, making it easier for other racists to find them.

[dr.matt]

prejudice, that applies to evryone writing about this forum not just me.

[S.]

prejudice, that applies to evryone writing about this forum not just me.

Yep. Most people don't actually endorse, implicitly or explicitly, violence against a person or group based purely on the colour of their skin or their country of origin, however. Nice to see you stepping up to the plate however.

[gravelclimber]

f**k it, im gunna quit beating 'round the bush, i agree with some of the racial stuff to. there - its in the open. im racist. so f**king what. deal with it.

You sad, sad little man. Here's hoping karma catches up with you one day.

[dr.matt]

no such thing as karma. anyway, goodnight i got to round up the boys and have us a lynchin'. yee-ha!!

(thought that would be appropiate since you have all judged me :D )

p.s. i dont care what you think of me, you cant say im afraid to speak my mind. i must be one of few on here, that would admit to something other people despise. and its not because im "faceless" on a computer. family, friends (yes i have them!) and workmates know my views.

[Binaural]

no such thing as karma. anyway, goodnight i got to round up the boys and have us a lynchin'. yee-ha!!

(thought that would be appropiate since you have all judged me :D )

p.s. i dont care what you think of me, you cant say im afraid to speak my mind. i must be one of few on here, that would admit to something other people despise. and its not because im "faceless" on a computer. family, friends (yes i have them!) and workmates know my views.

That's good you don't care what we think of you, because I for one think you're a prat. Go have fun wearing your bedsheets on your head.

[Arete]

no such thing as karma. anyway, goodnight i got to round up the boys and have us a lynchin'. yee-ha!!

(thought that would be appropiate since you have all judged me :D )

p.s. i dont care what you think of me, you cant say im afraid to speak my mind. i must be one of few on here, that would admit to something other people despise. and its not because im "faceless" on a computer. family, friends (yes i have them!) and workmates know my views.


It's always funny when racists harp on about bravery... despite what you may say, this is still an anonymous internet forum where, given your recent signup date, you are especially anonymous.

I'll admit I'm judging you, but I'm judging you based on you openly associating with an outlawed community which actively promotes hatred, criminal activity and has a history of cowardice, violence, assasination and cutural cleansing of the lowest kind.

If you are openly admitting to condoning this behaviour and sharing their beliefs, I'll judge you to be a complete fucktard, and I'll openly admit it... here's my predjudice: I think anyone who promotes racial hierachy, segregation and racially motivated violence is a fuckwit of the highest order.

[luckyphil]

You sad, sad little man. Here's hoping karma catches up with you one day.

or a group of massive black dudes.

[Martin.au]

It's always funny when racists harp on about bravery... despite what you may say, this is still an anonymous internet forum where, given your recent signup date, you are especially anonymous.

I'll admit I'm judging you, but I'm judging you based on you openly associating with an outlawed community which actively promotes hatred, criminal activity and has a history of cowardice, violence, assasination and cutural cleansing of the lowest kind.

If you are openly admitting to condoning this behaviour and sharing their beliefs, I'll judge you to be a complete fucktard, and I'll openly admit it... here's my predjudice: I think anyone who promotes racial hierachy, segregation and racially motivated violence is a fuckwit of the highest order.

I second this.

[skwiz05]

All i can think is...Australias true KKK.........Pauline Hanson (but with out the Robe) he he....

This is one funny thread....

[darth rider]

I read some of the "Australian defence" thread - there are some truly shithouse human beings posting on there. I reckon there's definitely a lot more of this type of thing going on than we'd all like to think there was.. know the song "77 percent"? Xenophobia is disturbingly commonplace and unfortunately I think way too many people are influenced by the mainstream media - and what sucks even more is that fear is great politics. You know that little Johnny is good mates with the Packers, right?:mad:

[emcgough]

f**k it, im gunna quit beating 'round the bush, i agree with some of the racial stuff to. there - its in the open. im racist. so f**king what. deal with it.
What the fuck happened? got any reasons behind this prejudice; have you always been like this or what? That is just fucking poor...

[PINT of Stella, mate!]

All i can think is...Australias true KKK.........Pauline Hanson (but with out the Robe) he he....



Yeah, shame about that. If she got robed up we wouldn't have to see her repulsive mug. (It'd also make dancing with the stars an absolute hoot!)

[roasted]

Yep. Most people don't actually endorse, implicitly or explicitly, violence against a person or group based purely on the colour of their skin or their country of origin, however. Nice to see you stepping up to the plate however.

Not meaning to take his side here, but despite him admitting to being racist I see no implications of him supporting violence against ethnic minorities?

Meh. I know many racist people and unfortunately most of them are set on the view and are unlikely to change. But people must remember that there is a difference between holding a racist view and acting on that view.

[roasted]

by the way, if you want to see people poke holes in white nationalists/kkk members/racists/whatever you want to call them in NZ and oz, fightdemback.org is a good place to start.

[Dozer]

cuase i said i agreed with some of it, read what i write. is it so difficult for you?

f**k it, im gunna quit beating 'round the bush, i agree with some of the racial stuff to. there - its in the open. im racist. so f**king what. deal with it.

This thread never had the intention of becoming a racial debate or a belief debate. I respect your views and I won't hold anything against you because it is YOUR view. Try not to get worked up over it, it is a discussion, not a monitor fight. You have given a bit of insight into the way some people see the KKK and why / what they do (I'm not saying you are any part of the KKK), it is good input.
Everyone has a different view of some other races around the world, deep down we are all the same. Some agree...some don't.
KKK........is weird and pointless. I still don't see the point. (my opinion)

[Dumbellina]

But people must remember that there is a difference between holding a racist view and acting on that view.

There is no distinction. Holding a racist view condones the actions of others who act on that view.

The racists (KKK etc) exist and get away with their foul conduct not only because they "believe" it but because they know others also "believe" it but don't act on the "belief".

Racism is not a belief, it is a insidous disease that leads to genocide, murder, violence and non-violence depravation. It leads to people living in poverty in rich countries, it leads to special treatment for those of favoured races, and it means that as a society we cannot function normally. I get worked up over racist comments in forums because they are equally harmful as the KKK and overt racism.

Racism is a learned behaviour, which equally means it can be unlearned. Tolerance is not hard, acceptance of difference is not hard, multiculturalism is normal - monoculture in this day and age is abnormal.

[roasted]

well, thats put me in my place, hasnt it haha.
Point taken.

[dr.matt]

Not meaning to take his side here, but despite him admitting to being racist I see no implications of him supporting violence against ethnic minorities?

Meh. I know many racist people and unfortunately most of them are set on the view and are unlikely to change. But people must remember that there is a difference between holding a racist view and acting on that view.

did you read that binaural, arete and martin.au??

i could call you 3 names but i wont lower myself to your childish level. it just shows the thinking behind your arguments/opinions hasnt much effort.

i never said (or have or will) been a member of any kkk. i never said (or have, but i will in retaliation) verbally/physically threatened any minority - or anyone for that fact. if i didnt like white australians (which some i dont) i would be called racist.
RACISM;
hostile attitude or behavior to members of other races, based on a belief in the innate superiority of one's own race

maybe i got myself in this by not reading the meaning. i dont believe im better - i know i am bwahahahaha.:D seriously, i dont think im better, i just dont like some people who happen to be ethnic or different : nothing more

[Dozer]

i just dont like some people who happen to be ethnic or different : nothing more

I reckon you are about ........ this far away from being kicked out. That is a stupid thing to say. Everyone has their opinion but now you're just being an idiot. I know plenty of people on this site that have different ethnic backgrounds to me and they are awesome people. You, dr matt, need to keep some things to yourself. I'd leave it alone if I were you.

[Robb]

i just dont like some people who happen to be ethnic or different : nothing more

What is the reasoning for not likeing some people?
Because they are ethnic? or because you just dont like their character? (and they happen to be ethnic)

[skwiz05]

There is no distinction. Holding a racist view condones the actions of others who act on that view.

The racists (KKK etc) exist and get away with their foul conduct not only because they "believe" it but because they know others also "believe" it but don't act on the "belief".

Racism is not a belief, it is a insidous disease that leads to genocide, murder, violence and non-violence depravation. It leads to people living in poverty in rich countries, it leads to special treatment for those of favoured races, and it means that as a society we cannot function normally. I get worked up over racist comments in forums because they are equally harmful as the KKK and overt racism.

Racism is a learned behaviour, which equally means it can be unlearned. Tolerance is not hard, acceptance of difference is not hard, multiculturalism is normal - monoculture in this day and age is abnormal.

Not having a go..just an observation...
Isnt having a 'fear' and dislike for people running around in white robes and pillow cases tantamount to racism (the same as the irrational fear of people wearing towels on their heads - aka- A-rabs) racism too? I say let them have their beliefs...just dont act on the beliefs that causes a breaking of the laws of the country-(mostly probably a form of discrimination)---thats when I think its racism.

I dont assume an Arab is a terrorist, why do I care what their beliefs are -same as KKK member if I saw one. So long as theyre not acting out on beliefs (or havin a lynchin'). So for me, because I tolerate them that doesnt mean I condone any illegal action. I may or may not hold racist views, I know I dont act on them if I did. But I might or might not be racist according to your opinion? Simply for holding a view. Interesting.

Many Veterans in War acted in a way that you might call 'racist' today. But they had beliefs too. So are we all really racists for not simply letting the enemy walk over the hill? I suppose the answer is no, because 'war' was fought under the given laws.

So holding beliefs is really immaterial....its whether acting on those beliefs is condoned by law or not. Then its racism. (which I do not condone).

[dr.matt]

kick me off, ive had my say. both those reasons robb. so mods permanantly ban me please.

[Arete]

did you read that binaural, arete and martin.au??

i could call you 3 names but i wont lower myself to your childish level. it just shows the thinking behind your arguments/opinions hasnt much effort.



All offence meant mate, you've expressed an unbased, illogical viewpoint of sections of humanity based on their genetic heritage.

You've expressed a moral and ideological alignment with one of the most violent, cowardly, criminal and socially irresponsible organisations in the world. I did not openly call you names, but stated that IF you do agree with the practices of the KKK/NF/Stormfront etc. you ARE on the lowest level.

If I was you I'd take a serious think about whether or not you agree with people being attacked, dehumanised, tortured, and murdered before you go alinging yourself with them, becuase, wether it is implied in their official stances or not, these organisations and/or their members condone and carry out unprovoked, racially motivated crimes.

The judgements I express are not only my judgements, they are judgments of most of the legal and social systems in the world. Racially motivated crime is up there with pedohilia in terms of social acceptance/sentencing etc in the Western world. What sort of response do you think you'd offer if someone openly admitted to agreeing with a Pedophile ring? The KKK and associated White nationalist/supremacist views are of a similar level of acceptability.

As for not thinking out my argument, I think the language I use is more inidcative of how strongly I am opposed to your proported viewpoint than my lack of thought about it.

I have encountered proud members of NF/SF in NZ, witnessed first hand their official and unofficial activities and am of the adamant and passionate opinion that these people, and those who agree with what they do and stand for are utter scum.

[S.]

kick me off, ive had my say. both those reasons robb. so mods permanantly ban me please.

Nope. No wannabe martyrdom for you!

[gravelclimber]

Not having a go..just an observation...
Isnt having a 'fear' and dislike for people running around in white robes and pillow cases tantamount to racism (the same as the irrational fear of people wearing towels on their heads - aka- A-rabs) racism too? I say let them have their beliefs...just dont act on the beliefs that causes a breaking of the laws of the country-(mostly probably a form of discrimination)---thats when I think its racism.

I'd say that doesn't constitute racism (as opposed to discrimination). I'd define racism as judging a person based on their race rather than their individual character. Culturism, for want of a better term, is what I think your examples are. Arabs and Jews are the same race. Some of that race are Muslims. Discriminating against all Muslims because of the actions of a few is wrong but it isn't racism in my view.

Many Veterans in War acted in a way that you might call 'racist' today. But they had beliefs too. So are we all really racists for not simply letting the enemy walk over the hill? I suppose the answer is no, because 'war' was fought under the given laws.


Maybe so in the distant past (WWII and the Japanese for example) but not recently. In Korea, Vietnam, Gulf wars I and II the people we fort along side of were always the same race as those we fought against. Race was never the deciding factor as to why a particular group of people was the enemy.

[Arete]

Not having a go..just an observation...
Isnt having a 'fear' and dislike for people running around in white robes and pillow cases tantamount to racism (the same as the irrational fear of people wearing towels on their heads - aka- A-rabs) racism too? I say let them have their beliefs...just dont act on the beliefs that causes a breaking of the laws of the country-(mostly probably a form of discrimination)---thats when I think its racism.

I dont assume an Arab is a terrorist, why do I care what their beliefs are -same as KKK member if I saw one. So long as theyre not acting out on beliefs (or havin a lynchin'). So for me, because I tolerate them that doesnt mean I condone any illegal action. I may or may not hold racist views, I know I dont act on them if I did. But I might or might not be racist according to your opinion? Simply for holding a view. Interesting.

Many Veterans in War acted in a way that you might call 'racist' today. But they had beliefs too. So are we all really racists for not simply letting the enemy walk over the hill? I suppose the answer is no, because 'war' was fought under the given laws.

So holding beliefs is really immaterial....its whether acting on those beliefs is condoned by law or not. Then its racism. (which I do not condone).


I do understand your point, however the KKK actively (unofficially or officially) partakes in criminal activity based on racial motives.
For example, it's like the distinction between being pro life and being pro life and agreeing with bombing abortion clinics.

[Binaural]

Not having a go..just an observation...
Isnt having a 'fear' and dislike for people running around in white robes and pillow cases tantamount to racism (the same as the irrational fear of people wearing towels on their heads - aka- A-rabs) racism too? I say let them have their beliefs...just dont act on the beliefs that causes a breaking of the laws of the country-(mostly probably a form of discrimination)---thats when I think its racism.

It's not irrational fear, since the KKK does act on their beliefs. They got their reputation via intimidation, violence and murder, not because they espouse nasty views on their website. The reason some groups are illegal is because their reason for existence is illegal and immoral acts.

Not having a go either, but you raise fair points I'd like to answer ;)


I dont assume an Arab is a terrorist, why do I care what their beliefs are -same as KKK member if I saw one. So long as theyre not acting out on beliefs (or havin a lynchin'). So for me, because I tolerate them that doesnt mean I condone any illegal action. I may or may not hold racist views, I know I dont act on them if I did. But I might or might not be racist according to your opinion? Simply for holding a view. Interesting.

Being a racist does not necessarily mean you act on it, you can be a racist through your views as well. But most people appreciate the vast difference between someone who doesn't like aboriginals (for example) and someone who goes and beats them up or abuses them in other ways.


Many Veterans in War acted in a way that you might call 'racist' today. But they had beliefs too. So are we all really racists for not simply letting the enemy walk over the hill? I suppose the answer is no, because 'war' was fought under the given laws.

No, wars are generally over territory and have little or nothing to do with race. There's virtually no racial differences amongst western Europe (but plenty of cultural ones though) and that didn't stop world war 2.


So holding beliefs is really immaterial....its whether acting on those beliefs is condoned by law or not. Then its racism. (which I do not condone).

The problem is that beliefs lead to action, but not in everyone. I guess you have to punish those who go to far, tolerate those who don't, and educate the rest.

[Pauly]

truly statements of the uninformed guys, gotta do better than that. look at the web site and stop being stereotypical.


Haha stop steriotyping the kkk, think through what you just said. the kkk do alot worse than just steriotype black people

[williamsaztek]

dr.matt? Might want to re-think your thesis??

[betelnut]

She went away for the holidays said shes
Going to l.a. but she never got there
She never got there, she never got there, they say

She went away for the holidays said shes
Going to l.a. but she never got there
She never got there, she never got there, they say

The kkk took my baby away they took her away
Away from me the kkk took my baby away
They took her away away from me

Now I dont know where my baby can be they
Took her away from me they took her away from me
I dont know where my baby can be they took
Her away from mr they took her away from me

Ring me, ring me, ring me up the president
And finf out where my baby went
Ring me, ring me, ring me up the fbi and find
Out if babys alive yeah, yeah, yeah

O-o-o-o-o-o o-o-o-o-o-o
She went away for holidays she went away for holidays

The kkk took my baby away the kkk took my baby away

They took my girl they took my baby away

Just of point of interest and nothing at all to do with the thread - Joey Ramone wrote this song about Johnny (the guitarist) stealing his girlfriend. Weirdly, Joey apparently never got over it and Johnny married the girl. It doesn't have anything to do with the KKK, I guess Joey just hated Johnny about as much as he hated the KK. Check out the "End of the Century" doco - the story is sorta told in there...

BTW, the KKK are a bunch of inbreds with nothing better to do - their days are numbered. Any knob-end who think that shit has ANY validity is wasting good oxygen keeping themselves alive. If you really believe there is any connection between skin colour and certain personal characteristics, you need help. Or you could help us all and just fuckin' die. Or at least make sure you are sterile.

[Drizz]

Paging Johnny, clean-up on aisle 3........:D

[Arete]

Just to express exactly what I'm getting at:

Ex CNN:
John William King, 24, could face the death penalty if found guilty in the slaying of James Byrd Jr., 49, who was stripped, chained to a pickup truck and dragged until he was decapitated...Gray said King's tattoo-coated body was a walking exhibit of racial hatred. The tattoos, also acquired during a prison stint for a 1992 burglary, included a black man hanging from a tree, Nazi symbols, the words "Aryan Pride," and the patch for the Confederate Knights of America


And From Texasnaacp:
Mr. H.W. Walker of Greenville, Texas disappeared in early May 1999. On June 2, the decomposed body of a black man was found in a remote, wooded section of Rains County, about 50 miles east of Dallas, and identified as being that of Mr. Walker. Evidence indicates he had been tied to a tree with barbed wire and burned. The day after his body was discovered, police took into custody a sixteen year old white male who was affiliated with a hate group. The circumstances are shockingly similar to those in Jasper, where James Byrd Jr. was dragged to his death behind a pickup.

Edit: and a bit more research from the Center For Democratic Renewal:

After a series of violent attacks on homeless African American men, in April 1992, a black homeless man was murdered while sleeping in Birmingham by four skinhead members of the Aryan National Front and Confederate Hammerskins.

In August 1990, a cross was burned on the front lawn of a black couple in Bastrop. Vandals broke a window in the home, and wrote on a towel the message, "We are the KKK of Mississippi. We are about 8,000 strong. You can't stay in a white neighborhood in the south you will die. You stay you die."

As an Australian, I will actively seek to prevent the development of the KKK, an news reports like these in my local or national newspaper.

Dr Matt, inform yourself beyond the propaganda-filled website and you my understand the anger that people have towards the KKK.

[mtb1611]

If you really believe there is any connection between skin colour and certain personal characteristics, you need help. Or you could help us all and just fuckin' die. Or at least make sure you are sterile.

As valid a point as ye make, there is a tendancy to only associate racism with "the white man". Let's not forget that racism also works against caucasians, only more often than not religion is used as the basis for it. How many fathers in the many Islamic nations of the world would give their daughter their blessings to marry a non-Muslim? Is this not just as sad and shallow a perspective as that displayed by those who judge others based purely on complexion? Sure it works in reverse as well (the example I've given). The sad fact is that people as a species FEAR DIFFERENCE as it threatens the security of their own little worlds. Black/white, Islamic/Christian, short/tall, discrimination on many levels has been a human trait since time began. And it more than likely shall continue to be. Yes we're all the same on many levels, but we're also different and that is what we fear. Who of the posters in this thread has never made a racist remark? I have, and chances are I'll do it aain. I'm not proud of it, in fact I find it quite shameful as I have friends of numerous backgrounds and as far as I'm concerned if a person is a good person I couldn't give half a shit what colour or religion he or she is. I'd also never discriminate against a person based on their creed or beliefs, yet I still make the occasional inappropriate remark.

What I always find amusing about the KKK and other supremacist groups is that they're invariably dominated by inbred foot soldiers yet their leaders are often highly educated and intelligent, and more often than not charismatic. It's this charisma tht sucks the fodder in; witness Hitler and Nazi Germany. A more despicable human never roamed the earth (well, apart from Stalin) and yet he had no shortage of followers, and this wasn't purely because of his awesome public works. It was because he "identified" an enemy (the Jews) based purely on religion and race. Racism does, and always will, have a willing audience. Sad but true.:(

[betelnut]

As valid a point as ye make, there is a tendancy to only associate racism with "the white man". Let's not forget that racism also works against caucasians, only more often than not religion is used as the basis for it. How many fathers in the many Islamic nations of the world would give their daughter their blessings to marry a non-Muslim? Is this not just as sad and shallow a perspective as that displayed by those who judge others based purely on complexion? Sure it works in reverse as well (the example I've given). The sad fact is that people as a species FEAR DIFFERENCE as it threatens the security of their own little worlds.(

I used skin colour as an example of racism, not as an all-encompassing statement of fact. I don't believe that racism is limited to white people at all, as that simply doesn't make sense.

However, racism tends to have greater effect when the group holding the racist values has the money and political and/or military power to act upon their beliefs and try and harm those that they dislike. Some of the better known examples have been perpertrated by white people (eg - Nazi Germany, the KKK etc) but there are certainly many examples in history of people who ostensibly appear to belong to a single ethnic group turning upon themselves for various reasons (eg - in Cambodia during the Pol Pot years, in China during the cultural revolution etc). It is bad no matter who is doing the harm.

[mtb1611]

I used skin colour as an example of racism, not as an all-encompassing statement of fact. I don't believe that racism is limited to white people at all, as that simply doesn't make sense.

I didn't say that's what you were doing; I merely stated that there is a TENDANCY to do so, on the part of people in general, not you in particular.

[kizza01]

I really hope Dr.Matt isnt a real doctor? :D

[mtb1611]

I really hope Dr.Matt isnt a real doctor? :D

Unfortunately he's the head surgeon at the F W De Klerk Memorial Hospital for Aryan Poster Children.

[Pete J]

Unfortunately he's the head surgeon at the F W De Klerk Memorial Hospital for Aryan Poster Children.

Hehe, nice one!
He must live in a small small world ol' Dr Matt...

[twitchy]

Unfortunately he's the head surgeon at the F W De Klerk Memorial Hospital for Aryan Poster Children.


Now thats Gold mate, just Gold.....:D

All I have to say on the mater is
Kocksucking
Kracker
Klowns!!!

would about sum them up I believe........:eek:

[chasebro]

Who wants to come KKK hunting tonight? :p

Sam



that sounds like awsome fun

ill bring the chainsaw

[gravelclimber]

Actually, maybe I got dr.matt and the KKK wrong - they are in fact peace-loving hippies.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885915452&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[betelnut]

I didn't say that's what you were doing; I merely stated that there is a TENDANCY to do so, on the part of people in general, not you in particular.

I agree with what you're saying - it may not have appeared as such in my post but I think you're right. Racism is universal.

[mtb1611]

I agree with what you're saying - it may not have appeared as such in my post but I think you're right. Racism is universal.

Well then, we're sorted........Even Steven! :D

[luke.b]

Nope. No wannabe martyrdom for you!

Maybe a special title for our resident racist. You've dug yourself a pretty deep hole Dr.Matt, and tomorow morning, when people log on to farkin, there'll be even more people who are going to judge you, condemm you, and hate you for having these views. If you knew that this sort of thing was dispised, then why did you tell us all??

But I think we should be getting back on topic, are there actually any practising members of the KKK in Australia? I'd presume so, because it is a fairly big country, and it is only a matter of time before a few flee over to our shores.

[TIMOH]

My teacher told me everyones racist :eek:

[Dozer]

My teacher told me everyones racist :eek:

Was his name dr matt? ;)
If a teacher was to suggest that everyone is racist than I'd have a guess at saying that he / she is part of the KKK. Why would a teacher say that? In this day and age that could be classed as a dismissable offence......(it doesn't worry me but some silver spoon parents might see it different).

[scotty beefs]

Racism is such a nasty catch phrase these days that as soon as someone says they don't like someone of an ethnic origin, for whatever reason, they are immediately labelled as racist.

Just look at the shit that gets hung on minority groups of caucasians in our own communities - emos are one example that is particularly prevalent at the moment. Just cause someone says the don't like emos do you immediately shoot them down with choruses of "racist, racist!." Of course you bloody don't. You might laugh, wonder out loud what the hell the Emos are doing and then go about your business not associating with them in you day to day life. You might hang shit on them with your mates, read funny websites about them and laugh at jokes about them on this website and all of that is openly condoned and accepted because they, overall, are part of the larger group we associate more commonly with - white australians.

On the flip side, you may know some emos, find that the ones you know are genuinly cool or even be an emo yourself...that doesn't mean you automatically will like all emos in future.

Now surely if everyone is so morally perfect and fully complient with the "muticultural australia" then there shouldn't be a problem with flaming people of ethnic origin, laughing at them with your mates and not hanging around them in everyday life. Does that happen? No f#$kin way - we are all too precious to take that view of things. You do this you and you ARE a racist - no doubts about it :rolleyes: .

Truth is there are people out there that you will never get along with whether they are asians, negroes, indians or caucasians. The general path of action after this is to avoid them and don't socialise with them...your boss may be an idiot - does this mean you hang out with him/her after work just to be nice?? This also doesn't mean that you burn crosses on their front lawn or make death threats to them.

Not sure if i made my point clear or not but i can only hope that this is the point Dr Matt not so eloquently tried to get across (Otherwise I agree with all previous flamings of him)

[berkyburger123]

Not sure if i made my point clear or not but i can only hope that this is the point Dr Matt not so eloquently tried to get across (Otherwise I agree with all previous flamings of him)

Don't think thats the point he was trying to get across. Otherwise, that's pretty well said.

But Where do you guys even draw the line at with racism? For example, if we bag out some race lightheartedly as a joke, without adding an example to be perfectly safe, dwelling on their funnier aspects, even though we think they are a lovely people as a steriotype would you call that racism?

There is obviously a fine line even in jokes to be warey of though and most of us would ahve the sense to see that, but if we can laugh at ourselves and our funnier points, does laughing at the funnier points of other races make us racist in your eyes?

Everyone here would have heard jokes ranging from harmless to just low and would know the difference but if we hold no grudge against a race and are just having a laugh at thier funny points would you call that racist, if we keep it harmless?

Personally I would say there is a very fine line to watch to not cause offence but if I genuinely liked, as a steriotype, the people of a certain race and I was just having a gag at them I woudln't call it racist, more I'm just taking the piss, just as most of us do with our mates.

My reasoning is that although we are having a gag at thier expense, we don't hate them, we are just having a laugh at thier funny points, whereas racism is : (Thank you dictionary.com)

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

And I wouldn't call making a joke discrimination

Am I wrong? If so, sorry 'bout that.

EDIT: and by the way, I think the KKK are gutless extremists but I don't have a full understanding of exactly why they do what they do (except that they think white men are superior) so I won't make a stupid comment on them too, except that I think what they do is very very wrong.

[gravelclimber]

Racism is such a nasty catch phrase these days that as soon as someone says they don't like someone of an ethnic origin, for whatever reason, they are immediately labelled as racist.


I think that's rarely the case. I think most people understand that judging someone according to their race or falsely perceived racial characteristics is racism. Judging someone as an individual is clearly not racism.

Just look at the shit that gets hung on minority groups of caucasians in our own communities - emos are one example that is particularly prevalent at the moment. Just cause someone says the don't like emos do you immediately shoot them down with choruses of "racist, racist!." Of course you bloody don't. You might laugh, wonder out loud what the hell the Emos are doing and then go about your business not associating with them in you day to day life. You might hang shit on them with your mates, read funny websites about them and laugh at jokes about them on this website and all of that is openly condoned and accepted because they, overall, are part of the larger group we associate more commonly with - white australians.

On the flip side, you may know some emos, find that the ones you know are genuinly cool or even be an emo yourself...that doesn't mean you automatically will like all emos in future.


You're mixing up one form of discrimination with another. Judging someone according to their race is always wrong because (a) Their race alone has no effect whatsoever on them as an individual; and (b) They don't choose their race.

Now discrimination against a sub-culture is USUALLY still discrimination. Emos sound pretty harmless so discriminating against them is wrong. But there are important differences with the general concept. Firstly, you choose whether or not you identify with a particular sub-culture. Secondly, identifying with a particular sub-culture DOES allow SOME judgement to be passed upon you as an individual in SOME cases. Thirdly, and most importantly, SOME sub-cultures probably deserve, in my view, to be discriminated against. For example, fundamentalist Muslim terrorists or supporters. Screw them. Men who practice female genital mutilation in Africa. Screw them to. They're extreme examples but I hope they illustrate my point. Some sub-cultures implicitly do things that are morally and ethically wrong. If you identify with that sub-culture you are also implicitly morally and ethically in the wrong as well.

No f#$kin way - we are all too precious to take that view of things. You do this you and you ARE a racist - no doubts about it .

Doubt it.

[Robb]

That is why i asked Dr. Matt if the reasoning behind not liking these people was because of their character and they happen to be of a differnt race (in his case ethnic), or weather it was soley beacuse they were a differnt race.
He said that he doesn't like them because of their race.

There is a difference between stereo typing a sub-culture and being a racist. So of course you dont tell someone they are being racist if they are paying out Emo's. Being 'emo' is not a race like being Asian, white, etc. Its a social group/stereotype/sub-cultre. I think that descriminating and paying out social groups/stereotypes is almost as bad as being a racist depending on the group, some do leave themselves open to it though. Belonging to a sub-culture is self selective, being from a particular race isn't. Also people generally belong to a particular sub-cultures because of personal traits/interests, being from a race does not mean you have the same beleifs/interests/traits as everyone else in that group.

There is a difference in making jokes about traits of people from different back grounds then being a racist. Generally being a racist is where someone has an agenda of hate toward a particular type of race. eg. Being racist toward Asians isn't making a joke or laughing how they are shorter then you, or being stingy, more so about how you wish they wouldn't come to Australia and they don’t belong here. I think it can be pretty easy to cross the line though, where you start to become prejudice toward people, eg. You own a car yard and see an asian come in, so you don’t serve them because you think they will try and get the car for free.

A good mate of mine at uni is a Sikh so wear’s a turban. He has made a few jokes about being a terrorist etc, and refers to other Indians as curries. Of course, he may just be doing this as a self defence mechanism. If someone is to make a light hearted statement about a race, possibly with friends from that race, then that is completely different to my Grandfather who thinks that anyone from an ethnic background doesn't belong in Australia and would like to see them all at the bottom of the sea.

Just my opinion, that being a racist has a lot of negative connotations and being prejudice toward them simply because of their race, while making a light hearted joke doesn’t. eg. Irish jokes.

[Arete]

Racism is such a nasty catch phrase these days that as soon as someone says they don't like someone of an ethnic origin, for whatever reason, they are immediately labelled as racist.

Just look at the shit that gets hung on minority groups of caucasians in our own communities - emos are one example that is particularly prevalent at the moment. Just cause someone says the don't like emos do you immediately shoot them down with choruses of "racist, racist!." Of course you bloody don't. You might laugh, wonder out loud what the hell the Emos are doing and then go about your business not associating with them in you day to day life. You might hang shit on them with your mates, read funny websites about them and laugh at jokes about them on this website and all of that is openly condoned and accepted because they, overall, are part of the larger group we associate more commonly with - white australians.

On the flip side, you may know some emos, find that the ones you know are genuinly cool or even be an emo yourself...that doesn't mean you automatically will like all emos in future.

Now surely if everyone is so morally perfect and fully complient with the "muticultural australia" then there shouldn't be a problem with flaming people of ethnic origin, laughing at them with your mates and not hanging around them in everyday life. Does that happen? No f#$kin way - we are all too precious to take that view of things. You do this you and you ARE a racist - no doubts about it :rolleyes: .

Truth is there are people out there that you will never get along with whether they are asians, negroes, indians or caucasians. The general path of action after this is to avoid them and don't socialise with them...your boss may be an idiot - does this mean you hang out with him/her after work just to be nice?? This also doesn't mean that you burn crosses on their front lawn or make death threats to them.

Not sure if i made my point clear or not but i can only hope that this is the point Dr Matt not so eloquently tried to get across (Otherwise I agree with all previous flamings of him)


I understand and to some extent, agree with your point. In a truly undiscriminatory society, distinction between gender/sexual orientation/race/age/etc would be redundant, and any distinction would be a bias due to aforementioned factors and therefore an "ist" of some discription.

HOWEVER, there is a long standing and continuing trend of official and unofficial discrimination against certain groups of people. Until discrimination and segregation is no longer an inssue either way (i.e. never), Ignoring it isn't really a viable option.

IMO, the best thing we can do is acknowledge that differences in humanity as well as past and present treatment of different groups of humanity exist, and try to level the playing field. As all groups aren't starting on an equal footing, this is always going to involve differing treatment.

Hopefully that makes sense, in a wierd sort of way.

As a final point, the KKK does burn crosses on peoples front lawns, make death threats and far worse. That's the point of the flamings, I think.

[TonyG]

Racism is such a contentious issue. It can evoke such a wide array of emotions in people. Some people can become hysterical over a comment that another would see as completely benign. There is no hard and fast rule about what is expectable and what isn’t. I have seen people who I would consider as very astute refrain from speaking openly about topics through fear of being labelled a racist. I personally feel completely at ease in making a comment such as “in general, Asians are terrible drivers”, but I would say the same for old people, and people with hats or tissue boxes on their back windows. Now in saying that, Michael Sch. could drive past with a tissue box on his back window and still be the best driver in the world, as could an Asian.
I guess my point is, my personal view with stereo typing people is that I believe everyone is born the same, and you are a product of your environment. Using a (hopefully) non contentious stereo image between Asian and Anglo Australians as an example. In a lot of modern Asian cultures education is strongly encouraged, and hence MORE Asians become better dedicated to study than say the average Anglo Australian, where say sports or outdoor activities are encouraged at a higher level.
I don’t think acknowledging cultural aspects as being racist, however I think saying degrading and stupid unfounded comments are poor example of people. Fortunately the world is very diverse place for most of us, and it seems to be unfortunate for others who want to live in a vacuum of culture.

[TIMOH]

Was his name dr matt? ;)
Probably.
he / she is part of the KKK

Most likely.

[Randy Rhoads]

I remember when John Safran did his religion thing on SBS they said the Klan was looking to set up in Australia. Especially funny was his attempt to join them despite being a Jew.

N

yeah i watched that. John Safran has some awesome documenty things

[darth rider]

You might remember in the Safran interview that the KKK in the U.S. is more of a para - military organisation these days. There was definitely a similar feeling on that Stormfront forum.
Not long ago I received a pamphlett in the letter box claiming to be from the Australia First Party. It claimed that it was "not a racist organisation but some of the things you will read may appear to be so" or something to that effect. It basically blamed all Australia's problems and the Cronulla riots etc on the assertion that multiculturalism does not work and that foreigners (read: muslisms) do not assimilate into the societies of countries to which they migrate, and are intent on taking over the country by "stealth". It cited some absolute bullshit examples like "a white woman bumped into a muslim woman in a shop, she said sorry, and the muslim lady said "not as sorry as you'll be when we take over your country!" I had a quick look at their website and indeed it seems they want to end immigration and abolish multiculturalism along with a few other "power to the people" type policies, some of which which seem decent enough but you just get the feeling there's a lot they're not telling you. I think this is how these type of organisations recruit people; they lure you in with basic decent values and citizen's rights etc and before you know it you're part of a right wing propaganda machine. Can anyone else shed any light?

[extreme_ride]

Is there a black equivelant to the KKK??