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johnny
10-07-2006, 02:59 PM
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Costello bombshell on PM 'deal'
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/costello-bombshell-on-pm-deal/2006/07/10/1152383652741.html

July 10, 2006 - 3:08PM

In an explosive statement, Treasurer Peter Costello said John Howard did offer to hand over the Liberal leadership to him after serving 1˝ terms as prime minister.

Mr Costello said he had not sought any undertaking on the Liberal leadership, but Mr Howard had made the offer at a meeting with him and former Liberal minister Ian McLachlan in December 1994.

He said Mr McLachlan's account of the meeting was entirely accurate.

He said he would not have said anything about the meeting had Mr McLachlan and Mr Howard not gone on the public record about it.

Mr Costello said that, during the meeting in 1994, Mr Howard asked him not to stand for the Liberal Party leadership.

''... He did not want a vote in the party room," Mr Costello told reporters in Melbourne this afternoon.

I took him at his word: Costello

"He told me that he intended to do 1˝ terms as prime minister and then would hand over," he said.

"I did not seek that undertaking, he volunteered and I took him at his word.

"Obviously that did not happen."

It follows claims at the weekend that Mr John Howard gave an undertaking in December 1994 to Mr Costello that, if he became prime minister, he would hand over the leadership after two terms in power.

Mr Costello said although there had been no leadership handover, he had worked to the best of his ability for the Australian public.

Didn't stand on my digs

"I didn't stand on my digs, I continued to work for the government to the best of my ability in the interests of the Australian public,'' he said.

"Whilst this country can be improved, whilst there are still things to be done to make it better, I intend to give it every ounce of energy that I have.''

Mr Costello said he had not encouraged Mr McLachlan to make any revelations about the 1994 meeting.

"But his account is entirely accurate,'' he said.

"That was precisely what happened, they are the full facts of what happened.

Clear recollection

"I have a very clear recollection of the events.

"You can interpret them as you like but that is the full truth of what happened.

"The public is entitled to know the full truth and that is what happened.''

The treasurer said he would not have raised the secret undertaking with Mr Howard if it had not been raised by others.

"I haven't spoken about it from that day to this, I've never spoken about this to anybody and I wouldn't have if Mr McLachlan and Mr Howard hadn't already gone on the public record,'' he said.

Asked if Mr Howard had lied, Mr Costello only said: "I'm telling you what happened. I'm not making any allegations against anybody.''

There was no deal: Howard

Earlier today, Mr Howard rejected claims that he had given an undertaking in December 1994 to Mr Costello that if he became prime minister he would hand over the leadership after two terms in power.

"There was no deal made," Mr Howard told reporters.

Mr McLachlan said that, during the 1994 exchange, Mr Howard told Mr Costello he wanted to be prime minister for only two terms before standing aside for his treasurer.

Mr Howard said there were many discussions about the Liberal Party leadership around late 1994, when Alexander Downer was Opposition leader.

"There were lots of discussions at that time including one at which Mr McLachlan was present,'' Mr Howard said.

"That did not involve the condition of a deal.

"I think everybody should take a bit of a reality check.

"The leadership of the Liberal Party is determined by the more than 100 men and women who make up the parliamentary Liberal Party.

"The leadership of the Liberal Party is not determined by John Howard or Peter Costello."

Not surprised at speculation

Mr Howard said both he and Mr Costello had on several occasions during the past year denied the existence of any deal over the leadership.

He said he was not surprised about the latest round of leadership speculation, and described Mr McLachlan as "a nice man'' who was a good former defence minister.

Mr Howard also denied having misled Australian voters over his retirement plans.

"At the time of the last election, the words I used about my future were exactly the same as the words that I continue to use so I have in no way misled the Australian public,'' he said.

"I said at the time of the last election that I would remain the leader of the Liberal Party so long as the party wanted that and was in the party's best interest."

Mr Howard also refused to comment on suggestions by his close confidant Grahame Morris that he might start thinking about retirement in November this year.

"He is a good friend of mine Grahame Morris. I respect him a lot, I like him. He's been a mate of mine for years,'' Mr Howard said.

"But he is free thinker and makes up his own mind and he forms his own views and he articulates them very well.''

Dozer
10-07-2006, 03:06 PM
Bugger me, even when you're on the same side as the mighty leader you can still be against him.:confused:
I think it is complete and utter garbage from the media....again. Someone here is looking for a few brownie points and has been "grave digging" to get in the news.
Johnny, can you ban some poli's for being noobs?:rolleyes:

Binaural
10-07-2006, 03:09 PM
Hehehehe, I like the sound of this. I must admit that I would not cry a river of tears if Costello was foolish enough to challenge for leadership right now. If he wins, the liberal party is sure to see a fair bit of erosion in support, if he loses it's likely to cause severe party ructions and damage popular support for the libs. Either way, we all win :)

To be honest though, I think this is yet another impotent shot over the bows by someone who knows he is not popular enough with his own party to take over the leadership by force, Paul Keating style. I think that Costello will remain Howard's sidekick for a long while yet.

brisneyland
10-07-2006, 03:11 PM
Wow this is interesting. I thought it was just a media beat-up, but with Costello on record contradicting the PM....

And yet the amount of lies and bullshit Howard has got away with so far, I suspect not much will change.

gravelclimber
10-07-2006, 03:12 PM
This could be fun. The end of shrub.....that would be a dream come true.

I like Henry Thornton's take on it. Sounds about right.

Nevertheless, Cossie's revelations - and Henry reckons that is a fair term under the circumstances - have ratcheted things up to fever pitch. Cossie may have calculated that it is time to go, and that he's not going to win any friends or get anywhere waiting, and it's better to bring this to a head. The timing of this is important - by confirming Ian McLachlan's version of events AFTER the PM denied that a deal had been made, Cossie is calling the boss a liar, and gambling that there is enough instability in the moonlight for a fairytail finish.

It's pretty well acknowledged that all else being equal, Cossie doesn't have the numbers to challenge, but all things might not be equal anymore. There has been more than a little bit of eyebrow raising about the PM's performance of late, and who knows what else could be brought to light on the AWB scandal, or what might transpire on Work Choices. An immediate challenge might not work, but then another successful Treasurer in recent years had to endure a spell on the back bench to show the world he was fair dinkum and answer any lingering questions about ticker. In Henry's humble view, Cossie has irrevocably changed the dynamic and has palpably, publicly and aggressively moved onto phase II of the battle plan.

It's the back bench or the Lodge from here.

gravelclimber
10-07-2006, 03:35 PM
It's definitely on. Just read the transcript of Costello's press conference. No sign at all of pledging allegiance to little Johnny. Ye Hahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

MR COSTELLO: "Well, there's been a lot in the papers the last couple of days and I've never spoken about these events before, but since others have, the public is entitled to know the full truth.

"What happened was that Mr McLachlan and Mr Howard sought a meeting with me.



"The meeting took place on the 5th of December 1994. There were only three of us there.

"Mr Howard asked me not to nominate for the Liberal Party leadership because he did not want a vote in the party room.

"He told me that he intended to do one-and-a-half terms as prime minster and then would hand over.

"I did not seek that undertaking. He volunteered it and I took him at his word.

"Obviously that did not happen. I didn't stand on my digs.

"I continue to work for the Government to the best of my ability in the interests of the Australian public.

"And whilst this country can be improved and whilst there are still things to be done to make it better, I intend to give it every ounce of energy that I have.

"I did not ask Mr McLachlan to relate these matters, but his account is entirely accurate."

JOURNALIST: As far as you're concerned, was there any equivocation in that deal at all?

COSTELLO: "That was precisely what happened. They are the full facts of what happened. I've told you entirely what happened."

JOURNALIST: Was it a suggestion or a deal?

COSTELLO: "I've told you the full detail of what happened."

JOURNALIST: There was no wriggle room at all for Mr Howard?

COSTELLO: "That's what happened. I have a very clear recollection of the events. You can interpret them as you like, but that is the full truth of what happened. And I can't say any more. That's precisely what happened.

"The public's entitled to know the full truth and that's what happened."

JOURNALIST: How does this not create open hostility between you and the Prime Minister?

COSTELLO: "No, it's not a matter of that. I did not raise these matters. I've been besieged by journalists that want to know what happened.

"There were three of us. All three of us have now given our recollections of what happened.

"And as far as I'm concerned, that's what happened.

"And as I said, what happened was that I went working for the government and the Australian people."

"That's why I have never spoken about that from that day to this. I've never spoken about this to anybody.

"And I wouldn't have, if Mr McLachlan and Mr Howard hadn't already gone on the public in relation to this matter."

JOURNALIST: Has Mr Howard lied?

COSTELLO: "Look, I'm telling you what happened. I'm not making any allegations against anybody, I'm telling you what happened and, look, you can interpret whatever you like.

"That is what happened and people are entitled to know what happened and so I'll tell you what happened."

"As I said, I thought the responsible thing to do was to work for the Australian people and the Government, and that is what I am doing, that is what I am doing, working for the Australian people, and I will continued to work for the Australian people as part of the Government.

"Whilst there are things that can be done to improve Australia, I intend to dedicate myself to doing it."

JOURNALIST: Does that include serving as Treasurer under Mr Howard to the next election and beyond?

COSTELLO: "Well Michael, that's the question I already answered to you, which is this: whilst there are things to be done to improve Australia, and whilst I can serve the Australian people, I will continue to do that. That's my answer."

JOURNALIST: Will you push to serve as prime minister before the next election?

COSTELLO: "Well I've already answered my intention, I will continue to serve the Australian people and whilst there are things to be done that can make the Australian nation stronger and better and more prosperous, and be the proud country that I want it to be, I'll continue to do that. Thank you."

RCOH
10-07-2006, 03:41 PM
As much as I hate John Howard (and loathe Costello) I really don't see the big deal. So 12 years ago, when he wan't even opposition leader, Howard said he would make Costello PM, if elected, after he had serves 2 terms.

Now he is the PM coming to the end of his 3rd term & showing no signs of giving up, yet Costello (& the Media who play a very large part in stirring up this ridiculously unimportant issue) still harps on a about. Here is a little fact:

JOHN HOWARD IS THE PRIME MINISTER!!!!

He runs the place for better or worse, if he doesn't want to quit, why should he, he is obviously successful. If made a backroom deal so many years ago & is renegging now good luck to him, Costello should have got it in writing.

There has to be something more important going on than this.

scblack
10-07-2006, 03:43 PM
As much as I hate John Howard (and loathe Costello) I really don't see the big deal. So 12 years ago, when he wan't even opposition leader, Howard said he would make Costello PM, if elected, after he had serves 2 terms.

Now he is the PM coming to the end of his 3rd term & showing no signs of giving up, yet Costello (& the Media who play a very large part in stirring up this ridiculously unimportant issue) still harps on a about. Here is a little fact:

JOHN HOWARD IS THE PRIME MINISTER!!!!

He runs the place for better or worse, if he doesn't want to quit, why should he, he is obviously successful. If made a backroom deal so many years ago & is renegging now good luck to him, Costello should have got it in writing.

There has to be something more important going on than this.
You beat me to it RCOH, other than possibly Howard lying about it for this time, whats really the problem?

So what, there was a deal once - things changed, and that got scrapped. Big deal.

johnny
10-07-2006, 03:55 PM
As much as I hate John Howard (and loathe Costello) I really don't see the big deal. So 12 years ago, when he wan't even opposition leader, Howard said he would make Costello PM, if elected, after he had serves 2 terms.

Now he is the PM coming to the end of his 3rd term & showing no signs of giving up, yet Costello (& the Media who play a very large part in stirring up this ridiculously unimportant issue) still harps on a about. Here is a little fact:

JOHN HOWARD IS THE PRIME MINISTER!!!!

He runs the place for better or worse, if he doesn't want to quit, why should he, he is obviously successful. If made a backroom deal so many years ago & is renegging now good luck to him, Costello should have got it in writing.

There has to be something more important going on than this.The point isn't whether it's right or wrong, it's raw politics. Pretty much everyone in the Liberal party would want to be PM. It's all about power, being the one who's calling the shots. Whether this is for personal gratification, a desire to do what you think is right or any other motivation; everyone wants to be the boss.

This is just the political maneuvering to do just that, be the boss. Sure, John may be doing alright in the eyes of many but Peter thinks he could do it better. And I think everyone can be pretty assured that this is far more than a media beat up as it's pretty common place in politics. If you want evidence, just check out Labor circa Hawke/Keating, Democrats from Meg Lees onwards and Labor since 2001. The media just feed on political conflict. Contradicting your leader publicly like Peter has today is pretty much drawing the line in the sand.

gravelclimber
10-07-2006, 03:55 PM
You beat me to it RCOH, other than possibly Howard lying about it for this time, whats really the problem?

So what, there was a deal once - things changed, and that got scrapped. Big deal.

It isn't about the deal itself - that really isn't that important. It's Costello's response.

Costello is calling Howard a liar. It's as simple as that. Absolute party room discipline, along with a strong economy, is what has kept the coalition in power. Howard has never been the forgiving type (eg. his treatment of John Hewson) and will not be able to work with Costello any longer. Costello knows this and is calling him out. Nothing like this has happened since Hawke/Keating. I just can't see a "forgive and forget, love and peace moment" happening now. That just isn't how Howard operates.

Cave Dweller
10-07-2006, 04:27 PM
Yeh ha, nothing like a bit of political in fighting to make things interesting. For a while there i was starting to get bored with the AWB scandel, children over board, WMD's, work choices and terrorists. Might have to go and get me a big bucket of popcorn and see how this plays out.........

nizai
10-07-2006, 04:28 PM
I agree, it isnt so much that the deal was gone back on, but the fact that Costello is making a power play against Howard here and now.

The deal itself is inconsequential, it's merely the trigger Costello was waiting for to make a push.

It will be very interesting to see how this unfolds. But I think Costello could find himself on the outer very quickly unless he knows hes got the numbers. The liberal party surely wouldnt vote for a leader that hasnt got the support of the wider populace (while I havent seen many figures of late, last I heard he was pretty low on the preferred prime minister stakes).

Every time I see that smirk I want to punch the TV.

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wtr
10-07-2006, 05:42 PM
It will be very interesting to see how this unfolds. But I think Costello could find himself on the outer very quickly unless he knows hes got the numbers. The liberal party surely wouldnt vote for a leader that hasnt got the support of the wider populace (while I havent seen many figures of late, last I heard he was pretty low on the preferred prime minister stakes).

Arh, so that's why Cossie let the camera crew inside his office at the time of the budget..Endeavored public servant he is.

WWJD?