Sabotaging *What can i do* [Archive]

custard

11-07-2006, 08:25 PM

As Most of the queensland u/19 riders know, my bike was tampered with before qualifying. after a little research to see who was playing with my bike before i went up to qualifying, not going to name anyone because it will turn in to a "lets kill him thread". most of you know who he is, but please refrain from naming him. i know 100% it was him. i saw him riding my bike at lunchtime, and before i went up to qualifying, i tightened all my bolts, went to get a drink. and went up.. this is when he attacked.. i got told by a few other riders that he was there with my bike when i did this. i asked him why he did it, he claims nothing, he hates me, i hate him, so he decides to rather than confront me and talk to me about it and come to a resoluion, he loosens my stem off a bit, in turn sending my arse over my bars on the first corner and causing several faceplants, then after qualifying, he has dissapeared off the face of the earth

now to the question

What can i do to make sure this kid is taught that fucking with bikes to cause injury to riders ISN"T COOL.

at the moment i am so pissed off about it all i want to do is smash him.. but i wont because thats just juvenile. i'd rather sort it out, but he says he has done nothing..

what can i do fellas?

Goobs

11-07-2006, 08:30 PM

How about try and get him banned from racing? Thats just not sport!

Surely no club would condone any rider tampering with someone else bike?

As Most of the queensland u/19 riders know, my bike was tampered with before qualifying. after a little research to see who was playing with my bike before i went up to qualifying, not going to name anyone because it will turn in to a "lets kill him thread". most of you know who he is, but please refrain from naming him. i know 100% it was him. i saw him riding my bike at lunchtime, and before i went up to qualifying, i tightened all my bolts, went to get a drink. and went up.. this is when he attacked.. i got told by a few other riders that he was there with my bike when i did this. i asked him why he did it, he claims nothing, he hates me, i hate him, so he decides to rather than confront me and talk to me about it and come to a resoluion, he loosens my stem off a bit, in turn sending my arse over my bars on the first corner and causing several faceplants, then after qualifying, he has dissapeared off the face of the earth

now to the question

What can i do to make sure this kid is taught that fucking with bikes to cause injury to riders ISN"T COOL.

at the moment i am so pissed off about it all i want to do is smash him.. but i wont because thats just juvenile. i'd rather sort it out, but he says he has done nothing..

what can i do fellas?

reej

11-07-2006, 08:31 PM

just bash him.....
you may aswell.

he put your life in danger. in a way he was trying to kill you................................

custard

11-07-2006, 08:34 PM

How about try and get him banned from racing? Thats just not sport!

Surely no club would condone any rider tampering with someone else bike?

true, i talked to gillian and she said that tehre is not enough solid evidence to prove it, because i didn't see it.. other people did though. but im not sure if they saw him when he was doing the loosening.... oh and BTW he was the last person to ride, touch the bike before i went up to qualify

duck_man

11-07-2006, 08:37 PM

That is one of the most un sportsman things i have ever herd!

Ban the stuped kid !

Or just kill him.

kona_kona

11-07-2006, 08:40 PM

Well judging by the graffiti all over nurses, chances are 99% of the population hate him. I for one can not stand the kid, never have.

Still, he shall remain nameless.

What he did, and others have witnessed, is just not on. I don't get along with some of the other guys out there, and I am sure that there others that don't get along well with me but it sure as hell does not mean we put each others lifes in danger by tampering with bikes.

If someone was even suspected or accused of this in motorsport or horse racing or any other equipment imperitive sport there would be heads rolled.

I honestly think he should be dealt with properly and be made an example of. It doesn't matter how much the person is loved or loathed it is just not acceptable.

-Mitch

-Jordan-

11-07-2006, 08:49 PM

I know you don't want anyone to say his name, but seeing as theres not enough evidence to ban him, and kinda stupid to just go hit him, maybe let people know.

I'm sure if everyone knew who he is and exactly what he did, he would have absolutely no respect from anyone in the MTB community. Might not be able to legally ban him from the races, but I can't see him coming along to all the races when he has everyone thats there against him. (Once again not physically - nothing wrong with a bit of verbal though :p ).

I know, its kind of lame, but for people like him, hopefully he will get the idea and just give up and leave everyone alone.

EDIT: Basically what kona kona said. Was typing it when he posted.

125matt

11-07-2006, 08:51 PM

damn man thats bad as i swear if i saw that guy again after what he did i would smash him even if sum ppl think this is rong i think it would be getting even after what he did to you in future would be an idea to cheak steering just b4 race incase of another death attemp

Plow King

11-07-2006, 08:55 PM

the F.H.B

11-07-2006, 08:56 PM

Tampering with someones equipment at a race meeting is borderline criminal. If you had crashed and been injured he could of faced charges.
Its is quite simple, if you can find witnesses go to the MTBA and inform them.
Do NOT go give him a hiding over it, make him pay by taking the right action.

custard

11-07-2006, 08:57 PM

Yes, But what if it wasn't him?

Then you would be just as bad if not worse than the person/s that did it.

but it was him... there were semi- witnesses.. he was the last person to touch my bike... and if there was nothing wrong with it when he was riding it, then he must of done it when he stopped riding it

-Jordan-

11-07-2006, 09:00 PM

I know you don't want anyone to say his name, but seeing as theres not enough evidence to ban him, and kinda stupid to just go hit him, maybe let people know.

Yes, But what if it wasn't him?

Then you would be just as bad if not worse than the person/s that did it.

He was the only one around the bike, many people saw that. He has something against Custard for whatever stupid reason it is, and would be the only kid there stupid enough to put someone elses life in danger like that.

EDIT: Also the reasons that custard said above.

And I am just a bit curious, not trying to have a go at you in anyway, but why did you choose my less violent approach to flame rather than the other people who said go hit him in the face? :confused: As I said though, not getting pissed at you, just wondeirng.

Sorry, back on topic.

Vicious_Fishes

11-07-2006, 09:11 PM

why not do the same back to him, not at an official event ???

i vote for official banning from not only racing, but attending mtb events...

Drizz

11-07-2006, 09:53 PM

why not do the same back to him, not at an official event ???

i vote for official banning from not only racing, but attending mtb events...

Why lower yourself to his standard??

Custard: Can you gather a few third party eye witness accounts (like statements) and have them confirm your story? That should be enough to ban him from any future racing.

Cave Dweller

11-07-2006, 10:05 PM

If he hates you, and you hate him, why were you letting him ride your bike, let alone leave him with it? Thats kind of silly.

I wouldn't bother going tit for tat, report it to MTBA along with a witness statement and let the slow wheels of the justice do its job.

Plow King

11-07-2006, 10:14 PM

And I am just a bit curious, not trying to have a go at you in anyway, but why did you choose my less violent approach to flame rather than the other people who said go hit him in the face? :confused: As I said though, not getting pissed at you, just wondeirng.

Because telling everyone that 'so and so; is a 'such and such' 'could' be false. Hitting someone in the face will do physical damge. But telling everyone that he is a no good 'sabotager' will be bad for his reputation (If he still has one) And it would effect him mentally if someone just started saying he sabotaged his bike. Thats if he didn't 'sabotage' the bike. But if he did fuck him he should get blabbered on.

Don't get me wrong im not saying that I condone this, or am I sticking up for him. But you don't have any actual proff that he did it. Sure, he was riding the bike. But did anyone actually see him undo the bolts?

It's easy to jump to conclusions when bullshit like that happens.

Cheers Chris

fleshbone

11-07-2006, 10:27 PM

yeh,you could beat him up,then it could turn out to be ur word against his.here is another view,make him your friend,then pounce on him.it makes it that more EVILLLLLLLLLLLLL.:D

Phool

11-07-2006, 10:55 PM

Sounds like time to brush up on your voodoo doll technique.

I personally would focus on the eye and crotch regions:D

demo man

11-07-2006, 11:02 PM

I think you should go to MTBA, BEFORE you tell anyone else who the person is. call Tony Scott as a start point, tell him the story, and find out what he thinks you should do, then do it.

be prepared though, know what you want out of it.

The F.H.B - actually, whoever did it could be charged for what was done now, even without any injury actually being created. there is such a thing as attempted assult etc. - if intention can be prooved, and you want to make as much trouble as possible, talk to the boys in blue.

the fact is, circumstancial evidance never really gets you anywhere. you need more than that. there is more than one cause for a stem to come loose quickly, even though it seems shit.

I'm not saying he didn't do it, but i am definately not going to say he did do it without more proof than what you've given me.

it sucks that sort of stuff would ever happen in this great sport.

and i'm with Cave Dweller, why the heck did youleave him with your bike if you hate his guts?

::RideSiK::

11-07-2006, 11:17 PM

or what did you do to him ?

dont say nothing... you must have done somethijng for him to have a motive..

Dozer

12-07-2006, 07:02 AM

Custard, you are in a bit of a sticky one here. If you are 100% sure that this idiot tampered with your gear which resulted in you having an accident then I am sure he can be charged by the Police. I would get him banned from MTB events, charge him and make him pay for any damages sustained from the accident. If your bike has a little scratch from the crash, make him pay for it.
This is something that is really bad for our sport, this idiot has been branded now by the people that know him and he is a marked man. Custard, I reckon you should name him on fakin and even post a link to photos of him so everyone knows what a dishonest moron he is. You'd have to be 100% positive it was his doing and then give him hell.
Just don't go around punching him in public, keep that stuff on the low down.
I hope he gets what is coming to him.

fallboy

12-07-2006, 07:21 AM

Are you sure you didn't miss the bolts and are just being paranoid?

If you know for sure and certain that it was the kis who goes by the two initials wait untill you see him in the bush one day. That way if it gets serious and someone gets hurt the "he swung first" defense will get you off an assualt charge everytime.

leitch

12-07-2006, 10:28 AM

If you know for sure and certain that it was the kis who goes by the two initials wait untill you see him in the bush one day. That way if it gets serious and someone gets hurt the "he swung first" defense will get you off an assualt charge everytime.
haha probably not the best approach to the situation, eh? :o

ryan - if it is indeed who i assume you are alluding to (i didnt hear of this incident at the race), then what demo man has said is probably the best approach. talk to both Gillian and Tony, let them know the story. talk to the guys who saw him tampering with the bike before your qualifying run and ask them if they would talk to Gillian/Tony about it.

if they say yes, then offer their names to Tony/Gillian as people who are willing to give statements and go on record as having seen him tamper with it. then when you have a series of witnesses against only his word (and at that the word of someone who has already got a tarnished rep in the brisbane riding community for some stupid shit he's done in the past), you should be able to easily get him banned from racing in/attending races.

good luck with it mate,
andrew

scblack

12-07-2006, 10:50 AM

Your problem is it is circumstantial evidence - no-one ACTUALLY saw him undo the bolts, they only saw him riding the bike.

I do not doubt your word, but there is the CHANCE that they were loose a little and just let go then. Very slim chance though.

Circumstantial evidence gives you very little grounding for banning or any concrete action.

Maybe embarrass the living shit out of him at the next race - stand with him and yell out to all in earshot what you think he did at the start line, or when there's the most people around.

leitch

12-07-2006, 11:08 AM

Maybe embarrass the living shit out of him at the next race - stand with him and yell out to all in earshot what you think he did at the start line, or when there's the most people around.
id have to disagree with this.. sure, shame him, but you have to tell people tactfully....... standing up at a race meet, pointing him out and yelling "this c*nt sabotaged my bike! lets lynch him!" is really like degrading yourself to his level, and in the officials eyes (especially if you're looking to take action) then you're just as bad as he is, and they're likely to just let the whole thing slide as two stupid kids having a shitfight, rather than taking it seriously as one mature teenager being attacked by an immature prat wh odeserves to be banned or whatever. get my drift?

custard

12-07-2006, 11:23 AM

Are you sure you didn't miss the bolts and are just being paranoid?

100% sure that i tightened it 15 minutes before i went up..

i let him ride my bike because my boss said to give him a chance and put a little trust in him and gradually build up from there.. i tried that.. gave him a small amount of trust and let him ride my bike around...

i am not that sure why the kid hates me.... only seen him a couple times, but i never really liked him..

yeah i think its around 3-6 people that know he was the only one around my bike before i went up to qualifying..

scblack

12-07-2006, 11:30 AM

id have to disagree with this.. sure, shame him, but you have to tell people tactfully....... standing up at a race meet, pointing him out and yelling "this c*nt sabotaged my bike! lets lynch him!" is really like degrading yourself to his level, and in the officials eyes (especially if you're looking to take action) then you're just as bad as he is, and they're likely to just let the whole thing slide as two stupid kids having a shitfight, rather than taking it seriously as one mature teenager being attacked by an immature prat wh odeserves to be banned or whatever. get my drift?
How are you going to do it "tactfully"?

Custard seems very sure it was him.

What do you suggest?

leitch

12-07-2006, 11:32 AM

How are you going to do it "tactfully"?

Custard seems very sure it was him.

What do you suggest?
well true, its not really tactful either, but more like just kind of telling people about it, but not standing up and shouting it out to the point that it makes you look like a wanker.. not really sure what i meant by that :o

scblack

12-07-2006, 12:35 PM

well true, its not really tactful either, but more like just kind of telling people about it, but not standing up and shouting it out to the point that it makes you look like a wanker.. not really sure what i meant by that :o
Not a go at you per se, but thats going behind his back and doing the same thing - I would do it to his face.:)

darth rider

12-07-2006, 03:36 PM

Demoralise and frustrate the crap out of him by smoking him at the next race and letting him know he'll never beat you again. Hopefully he'll hurt himself trying;) (oh - you are better than him right?)

d_j1

12-07-2006, 04:08 PM

I'm not sure that there is much more that can be done to this kid to lower his reputation/ standings amongst the Brisbane MTB community. This being the case he still seems to turn up to races, much like an annoying rash on the ass. I would also be fairly reassured that it was him who loosened the bolts as this is definetley something I could see him doing. Never the less ryan I rekon you should Pwn him well and truly, by getting him banned from races (if that's possible with the evidence at hand). Our race and MTB community would be better off without kids like this scum. And then after that just coincidentally happen to bump into him in a dark alley..Of course purely coincidental.;)

custard

12-07-2006, 06:18 PM

treggs

12-07-2006, 07:05 PM

If you have the evidence (or witnesses) to back up your claims, talk to the boys in Blue. If you aren't sure, talk to them anyway and ask them what you need. Don't make shit up to get him hung (as he will probably manage it by himself in the future) but if you have the required evidence then you could press charges. It's amazing how many jobs these days require police checks and attempted assualt should stop him getting jobs that help him afford a nice bike. I can guarentee he wont be able to afford anything nice on a macca's wage, and even they might not give him a job.

Otherwise learn from your mistakes and continue to smoke him at races....

custard

12-07-2006, 07:43 PM

ok im just talking to the people that saw him messing with my bike, messing as in riding it around, playing with stuff. nothing super detailed because they had better things to do than look at what this deadshit was doing...

there are 2 so far that will back up claims that he had done something, and they say that there was a few others around the area when "he who shall not be named" was with it..

now all i need help is how should i contact MTBA, call or letter?
and how should i say it?

leitch

12-07-2006, 08:00 PM

ryan... call MTBA (specifically Gillian or Tony as has been said) and pose it as a concern that you have - not so much an allegation as a concern. say something like that you are concerned that <mr X> tampered with your bike prior to your qualifying run by loosening your stem bolts, that you have people who say they saw him messing with your bike, and is there anything that can be done to reprimand him. say that you are also concerned about the prospect that he could: (a) do it again to you, though potentially something more dangerous again, or (b) do it to another rider at a race.

Dudley

12-07-2006, 08:01 PM

Well, nothing much more to contribute here, thanks to all of our resident experts.. (no sarcasim intended)

The basic elements to give this kid everything that he deserves has been summed up nicely.

However, if all you're grasping onto is circumstancial evidence, why not back it up with some solid evidence? any of you that know this kid, probably knows what I'm talking about.. the time when he beat the crap out of a little kid, one which was younger than him. There was a lot of witness's to that, and the tree's at blue nurses are a living, breathing testament to this kids stupidity.

I mean, if you're going to give him what's been coming for a long time, why not hit him with the full force of his idiocy?

FuTAnT

12-07-2006, 09:28 PM

Don't lower yourself to his level.

Collect the witnesses and get them to make a formal statement at a police station in relation to the issue. You should also go to the police station and ask advice on lodging a statement as to the events that occured. By tampering with your bike he's shown intent to cause you harm. This is rather serious. Go through the proper channels, make it official, and if that doesn't scare him then nothing will.

The last thing you want to do it end up with an assault charge and end up copping the charge for it.

Plow King

12-07-2006, 11:06 PM

Nxt race, tell him to try out your bike, but loosen the stem completly off ;)

floody

13-07-2006, 12:01 AM

[Devil's Advocate]
Sounds to me like the last person who definitely touched the stem bolts was you, custard.
No chance you could have f#cked it up some how?
[/Devil's Advocate]

MTBWANNABE

13-07-2006, 12:40 AM

[Devil's Advocate]
Sounds to me like the last person who definitely touched the stem bolts was you, custard.
No chance you could have f#cked it up some how?
[/Devil's Advocate]
Yeah i was thinking that..

It's not possible you were half concentrating and un-did the bolts (spun them the wrong way) sub consciously? If you think about it.. it'd be quite easy to do. The stem is on it's side.. every time I am doing something up/undoing it, i have to physically think, and move my body around it "righty tighty, loosey lefty"

It's only a thought (don't flame me...)

but if you did press charges, and this kid gets a criminal record for what ever (conspiricy to bodily harm??) and he never gets a job... and it was actually you who messed up without thinking.. That'd be pretty damn shitty on your conscious aye?

Cruz

13-07-2006, 03:50 AM

Some may call it kharma. What goes around comes around so to speak.

custard

13-07-2006, 09:56 AM

[Devil's Advocate]
Sounds to me like the last person who definitely touched the stem bolts was you, custard.
No chance you could have f#cked it up some how?
[/Devil's Advocate]

not a chance, i can even remember feeling the bolt getting tighter and tighter...