Car Chat....

[Frandy]

Hey guys,
Just wondering if chat about your cars/first cars :)
Im only 15, but im lookin into purchasing a 1997 Holden VS Executive 5lt V8 :) Manual of course :D I want it in black with VZ Monaro rims :) What you guyus own/looking into buying :p

Cheers
Francis

[-Jordan-]

Hey guys,
Just wondering if you would post sum pics of ur cars/first cars :)
Im only 15, but im lookin into purchasing a 1997 Holden VS Executive 5lt V8 :) Manual of course :D I want it in black with VZ Monaro rims :) What you guyus own/looking into buying :p

Cheers
Francis

Hmm.. good luck with that.

With the new laws coming in (next July I think?) you won't be able to own a V8 until you are 25. And even if you could... did you think about the fuel?

[Frandy]

so those new laws cummin in July?? Bugger :p Then ill just get the V6 and put a 3inch exhaust on it:p

So what u guys own??

CHeerss

[Robb]

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=47127&highlight=cars

Has already been done but in post your ride..

Good luck with the V8. Will cost you a fortune to run very soon, and dont they only make 190kw or so of power? A V6/straight 6 will do that these days.


No V8's until you are 25? are you sure?
They allready have no V8s/turbo's when you are on your p plates, 25 seems to be a bit extereme. Not that I care, we do not have any restrictions in the ACT.

[Breaka]

I'm fairly sure that those restrictions are in only in QLD..well, so i've heard.
I was pretty devostated to hear. Because i'm driving under the current P1 restrictions in NSW which means that i can;t drive a V8, Turbo/Supercharged enginges or any other vehicle which they consider to be a "performance" vehicle.
Because of these restrictions i was considering changing my address (to my aunies house in QLD) and getting my QLD driving lisence, since they had no car restrictions.
Guess i'll just have to wait.

[Frandy]

it might only put out the same amount of power as a new V6, but the Alloytec dont hav as much torque nore the sound and street appeal :) The Alloytec is 190kW/330Nm, whereas the 5lt V8 is 168kW/395Nm, i think thats lyk 17% more torque which means alot more fun and burning rubber :)

Cheers

[Breaka]

it might only put out the same amount of power as a new V6, but the Alloytec dont hav as much torque nore the sound and street appeal :) The Alloytec is 190kW/330Nm, whereas the 5lt V8 is 168kW/395Nm, i think thats lyk 17% more torque which means alot more fun and burning rubber :)

Cheers

yeah but mate 22KW is a fair bit of power difference. Remebering that 1KW is around 1.3HP.
But yeah mate, i totally agree with you a new alloytec v6 sounds like nothing compared to an older v8. Well, same goes for some of the new 8's to a certain extent. They only really start to beat out the good notes when your up it and when idling they sound somewhat like like a timid mouse.
Bit dissapointing because one of the reasons V8's are much loved is for the sound.

[Frandy]

yeah, but get a 3" exhaust and u hav no longer a timid beast :p The new V8's sound real nice with a huge exhaust :) My goal one day is to own a V8 Statesman and then put a $15,000 twin turbo system in it with the upgraded brakes from APS, that would be the ultimate for a 15 y.o. son if his dad came rollin up to skool in that then layded sum rubber on the way out :p But i rekon that most holdens also look good with those VZ Monaro rims :) I dono y, but i luv em on VS' VZ's and even Statesmans :)

Cheers

[custard]

yeah, but get a 3" exhaust and u hav no longer a timid beast :p The new V8's sound real nice with a huge exhaust :) My goal one day is to own a V8 Statesman and then put a $15,000 twin turbo system in it with the upgraded brakes from APS, that would be the ultimate for a 15 y.o. son if his dad came rollin up to skool in that then layded sum rubber on the way out :p But i rekon that most holdens also look good with those VZ Monaro rims :) I dono y, but i luv em on VS' VZ's and even Statesmans :)

Cheers

why the hell would you waste 15 grand on a twin turbo???

you dont turbo v8's

you supercharge them....

[Breaka]

Yeah man, i aint denying it, a new exhaust does the trick.

As for turboed/suprcharged V8's completely love em. Apart from the HIGH fuel consumption on boost, i think they're grand.
Perfect example of this is the CAPA ute and Monaro which Robbie Bolger drives.
Not sure if it's turboed or supercharged, haven't been paying complete attention to it, but it sure does mix it up and beat the Japanese bred competition.

[ScottD]

hahahahaha You will get a rude awakening.
I did an quote for insurance for my first car today $1289 per year for comprehensive. Thats for a late 96 VS series 2 Executive manual. I think it will be a while till you get a v8

[Frandy]

Im pretty sure the CAPA ute is Supercharged, thats the 1000kW one right :confused: . I was just thinkin of a turbo for a V8 cause alot of ppl supercharge them, i know its got no spool time and the power is on tap as soon as u push the accelerator but i luv the sound of a V8 with a B.O.V. :D

Cheers

[hubbie]

you dont turbo v8's

you supercharge them....

lots of the elite car builders think otherwise

Im pretty sure the CAPA ute is Supercharged, thats the 1000kW one right :confused:

i luv the sound of a V8 with a B.O.V. :D


The CAPA ute is supercharged. I saw it at the V8's. Soooo amazing when it hits high boost! Ripped into a burnout right infront of my corporate box, and i just missed meeting the driver, Robby Bolger.

Personally i hate the sound of BOV's. I'd much prefer the sound of a big set of turbo's spooling down, but thats the beauty of individuality!

[fattyandthepiemakers]

Why bother? A car is a car. Then again people say the same thing about bikes. Are you planning on legally racing or are you just some chum who like to pay $400 for new tires because doing burnouts makes you feel good?

Why do people throw away money on crap like supercharging? A to B mate. It's like 4WD that never get taken off-road, an STP that never gets riden (zing). If something doesn't need to be done why do it? If you are 15 now shouldn't you be focused on other things than having a fully phat car? Instead of spending $15000 on turbos you could go out when you finish school, start a full time job and use that $15000 to help contribute towards your independent life living away from parents.

I know people are enthusiastic about this sort of thing but some people just don't get it.

Sorry about the rant.

[Frandy]

yeah but each to his own :) And about the tyres :p Ill be buying half decend tyres for the front and then re-treads for the back, cheap as chips :) or as u say "uber" cheap :D I wouldnt be wasting $15k on twin turbos when im 18-21, that wouldnt be happening till i was lyk in my 30's maybe even late 30's when i have a BIG pay cheque :) :p

CHeers

P.S. Scott, is that a V6?? THats what i want, a VS Series II Manual :)

[ScottD]

yeh V6 considering I am on my P's
there as rare as hens teeth good luck finding a decent one. Series 1 have a cable clutch and series 2 have a hydraulic clutch and they made bugger all series 2

[Breaka]

If you are 15 now shouldn't you be focused on other things than having a fully phat car? Instead of spending $15000 on turbos you could go out when you finish school, start a full time job and use that $15000 to help contribute towards your independent life living away from parents.

Yeah but fatty, you gotta remember he IS only fifteen.
I can tell you now, all i used to think about when i was fifteen was pulling my dick, cars and food.
And no Frandy, i'm not having a dig at you, because it's the truth!!!

[Sov]

that would be the ultimate for a 15 y.o. son if his dad came rollin up to skool in that then layded sum rubber on the way out :p
Lol, that mentality is the exact reason why the P-plater restrictions came into existence:)

[Frandy]

lol, true true, but not as much pullin mine, but more lyk satisfyin my gf ;) lol...But mum might be going halfs wit me nxt year for a 1st car, Series II are hard to find in a certain spot, but if u search CarSales.com u can find a couple of nice ones all over Aus :) Just a bit of a travel and maybe frieght cost, but not too hard :) But yeah they are real rare

Cheers

[hubbie]

yeh V6 considering I am on my P's

so you got em eh scott? nice work!

And about the tyres :p Ill be buying half decend tyres for the front and then re-treads for the back, cheap as chips :)

you realise how easily retreads will die from burnouts? the retread bit of it just falls off!

[Frandy]

yeah i guess, but i aint goin to be doin standstills all the time, if ever, just for lyk from traffic lights and maybe round corners, now i sound lyk one of those ppl hoo is gonna wrap 'emselves around a tree. I dont wanna kill myself, just hav a little fun :) But how much do re-treads cost?? I heard it was lyk $30-$40 a tyre?

CHeers

[Breaka]

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you realise how easily retreads will die from burnouts? the retread bit of it just falls off!

HAHA yeah exactly. I'm hoping your a good touch up painter:D .
Because i'm begining to think there will be some nice belt marks up your rear guards.

[naz]

Weapon X -Still HSV (still dre cover)

fucken yee you should av seen the cunt
you should have seen how far he was going sideways for
look no shit, you wouldnt believe it like im not bullshittin
ye i know im from the norther suburbs
but im not bullshitin, what a crazy cunt.

so a Vl with 2 subbies, stereotype
with a huge intercooler doing it right
you might be confused, whats the attraction
some dudes just like to lose traction
that cruise action saturday night
you can do it at the lights or get in a fight

runnin flat 11's in a street car outrunnin 2 dudes in a police car
sideways and if your shit dont roll you better hope you dont hit no pole
but my man flipped his car a few years back
and now he can get those few years back
coz it aint always a case of heres a bandage
in his case its like brain damage
so if your manage to get home fine
you'd get a fine coz the speed signs went from 100 to 80
now they got the whole state driving like old ladies


theres more but you get the point......

if you think your car will be sick come to sydney city sat night, every dumb cunt cruises thinkin there the shit, its so sad.

[Frandy]

all i want sumthin that looks half sweet, lyk, low profile tyres, low susp. and always clean. And all i want is sumthin that i can hav a littl fun in, but enough to sound nice too :)

CHeers

P.S. Nice song :)

[wombat]

Frandy if you type "lyk" one more time I'm going to ban you.

[Frandy]

sorry wombat :( Is it my spellin or u just hate people saying like?

[-Jordan-]

Would be the spelling. lyk, along with spellin and u.

[Frandy]

Sorry guys, i'll spell and punctuate properly now :)

No worries :)

[robmundall]

Sorry guys, i'll spell and punctuate properly now :)

No worries :)

In that case "i'll" wshould be spelt "I'll"
Sorry I just had to be a smarty:p

[fattyandthepiemakers]

In that case "i'll" wshould be spelt "I'll"
Sorry I just had to be a smarty:p

In that case "i'll" should be spelt "I'll".
Sorry, I just had to be a smarty.

:D

[Frandy]

In that case "i'll" wshould be spelt "I'll"
Sorry I just had to be a smarty:p

I can't win can I :p

Better??

Cheers
Francis

[wombat]

sorry wombat :( Is it my spellin or u just hate people saying like?
It's the text shorthand in general, "lyk" just jumped out as the most obvious butchering; we have a full keyboard on a PC, may as well use it.

Anyway, if you could try and use proper spelling etc. that'd be tops. Cheers.

[DiMmY]

Yes, go buy re-treads and then crash when you try go around a corner.

Pulling a burnout during a corner is also stupid, takes skill to drift you know?
All you'll end up doing is probably spinning out or just fishtailing like a retard.

Ripping burnouts isn't fun, it's all just for show.

Going around a twisty road fast is fun.

[Frandy]

sorry again wombat, it's just that i'm so used to talking on MSN so i'm so used to abrieviating (sp?) words :)

Oh and about those re-treads, they can't be THAT bad can they? I know that they aren't going to be top quality, but they would be better than wasting money over and over again, and both of them are just as fun, the G-Force going against you when you drift around a corner, not saying I have the skill....and accellerating from traffic lights to 100km/h is also fun :)

CHeers

[schmook]

my car specs
92 Hyundai excel 3 door, 4 speed manual
190 000km
broken fuel gage, refuel when tripmeter hits 550
radio and cassette!
rear hatch door that likes to give you mild concussion
worth much less than the bikes but a fraction more than the ipod.
vroom vroom!
never had a breakdown! but those cv joints are getting squeeky.


I am the only one who has actually posted their car details?

[GravityGuru]

Frandy for god sakes do a defensive driving course and try and drift a car! 4 people from our school have totalled their cars (luckily none were killed) "trying" to drift in the last 2 months and don't say "I'm not gonna to anything to crazy just a bit of a slide on the corners." Because that's all it takes to lose it completely. I'm not saying don't drift because I do it every once in a while and it's great fun. Just get some experience (I don't have nearly enough) before you try it, because it sounds like you will be getting an expensive first car and even hitting a wooden reflector drifting and a low speed will F&6K you car up!

End Rant

[Robb]

I think this kid has watched one to many Fast and the Furious Movies, and played a little bit too much Need For Speed Underground.

[W2ttsy]

lol, true true, but not as much pullin mine, but more lyk satisfyin my gf ;) lol...But mum might be going halfs wit me nxt year for a 1st car, Series II are hard to find in a certain spot, but if u search CarSales.com u can find a couple of nice ones all over Aus :) Just a bit of a travel and maybe frieght cost, but not too hard :) But yeah they are real rare

Cheers

ive actually thought this thru, and its not a cheap exercise. depending on the state, you could be almost up for $1.5k in change over charges.

1) if you buy an out of state car, it becomes unregistered. in order to drive it back to your state, you need to fork out $50 for the limited rego papers.

2) once you get it home (possibly $300 worth of fuel if its qld to melb say) you will need to fork out $400 to have it over a pit to get a proper road worthy cert, and possibly more if it needs repairs to get a RWC. (could be thousands)

3) $540 in registration for a vehicle that size

4) hotel accomodation for the over night stay, cos you cant drive more than 8 hours without a decent rest (you could but chances of dying from fatigue increase)

5) if youre a loser and live in tassie (like me) then its a $200 boat ticket as well.

6) if you buy it from a yard, or get a loan then add $1500 for insurance, cos you wont get a car without it.

also, if you want a v8 so you can do phat burnouts, then thanks alot for ruining V8s for the sensible P platers. with an attitude like that, the car you just spent money getting to your place is now being taken away by the police for hooning.

oh yeh, i drive a VY acclaim (http://profile.imeem.com/-n49Q/photo/kk3ydwwG/LlvTjF7TaoOHC/), its a V6, eats fuel and it also costs me $547 for rego (per year) and $1300 in insurance (per year). im 21 and ive done both advanced and defensive driving courses (highly recommend, dont do it for cheap insurance, do it for the skills), and will be going for a CAMS licence soon.

if you cant drive an 8, get a 6 with LSD, you will still be able to "burn rubber" :rolleyes:

W2ttsy

[and1]

Sounds like we have a bogan in the making right here. Are you gonna also put in a sick system that goes so loud the whole world can listen? Normally I would call you a straight out douche but since your only 15 I won't. By the time you turn 18 you'll get over the desire for a fully sick commonbore v8 turbo supercharge hectic machine. Why don't you spend all that money of turboing your car on something nicer, like an type r? Get something hot, not just a big fat commodore that in a 2 years time will be worth less than a meal at maccas.

[W2ttsy]

Frandy for god sakes do a defensive driving course and try and drift a car! 4 people from our school have totalled their cars (luckily none were killed) "trying" to drift in the last 2 months and don't say "I'm not gonna to anything to crazy just a bit of a slide on the corners." Because that's all it takes to lose it completely. I'm not saying don't drift because I do it every once in a while and it's great fun. Just get some experience (I don't have nearly enough) before you try it, because it sounds like you will be getting an expensive first car and even hitting a wooden reflector drifting and a low speed will F&6K you car up!

End Rant

you wont learn that at a defensive driver course. for starters you wont get the car above 50km/h and none of the execises involve drifting, or getting the back wheels to kick out.
they will teach you how to brake hard, do a slalom (to gauge body roll) and a hairpin turn. at 50km/h most of these are impossible to do with out hitting the cones, and at 40km/h i just managed to make it without losing it or hitting the cones (i have a commie too).

even in advanced courses, you wont be doing drifties. They get you into nasty situations (in a skid pan) to teach you how to react. spin outs, getting out of a slide, out of a skid, out of wheel lock. its definately more challenging and when they add oil or water, its a whole new ball game.

if you want to play silly games like that, do it on closed roads, or at a skid pan. unlike a bike if you come unstuck in a car, you will probably end up dead (and if not you will wish you were (debt, kill someone else, damage property))

Why don't you spend all that money of turboing your car on something nicer, like an type r? Get something hot, not just a big fat commodore that in a 2 years time will be worth less than a meal at maccas.

im personally an aussie built fan, so that was my reasoning for a commodore, but thats just me.

as for depreciation, mitsubishi have the worst depreciation value. my girl friends lancer was $23,990 new (2005), she bought it a year after it was released for $12,500 (2006). not the best resale value ever.
my car was $33,990 brand new (2004) and i picked it up for $21k (2006), and its worth at the start of this year was closer to $24k. i got mine cheaper than retail as i knew the dealer, but still, its better resale value than the mistubishi.

W2ttsy

[Weasel]

You can have the nicest lowest most powerfull commo/ rice burner/ whatever in existance but your still goning to be scabbing a lift to the track if it aint a ute...

I used to build V8's and all that i even had a mint XW GT for a few years... now i got a POS Series 3 landrover clothtop and i tell you what it makes more sence to me to have a car you can just motor around in and carry the bikes and mates and anything else than having somthing you cant use for anything but looks nice...

[Oddjob]

This has to be in contention for the worst thread ever.

Could someone ban Frandy until he grows up, grows a brain or both?

[scblack]

why the hell would you waste 15 grand on a twin turbo???

you dont turbo v8's

you supercharge them....

Try telling Porsche that - look at the Cayenne Turbo. V8 Twin turbo 331kw, 620nm from just 2,250rpm.

And I just calculated - the Turbo has a premium of just $77,200 over the non-turbo. Yep, $77k. Turbo $207,100 Non turbo $129,900.

[Arete]

I'm glad restrictions have been placed on P platers. When you are on your P's you don't have 1/5 of bugger all driving experience or skill. For me it's taken several years, advanced and defensive driving courses and writing off a car just off my red P's to calm down, be able to deal with things as they arise and generally drive safe. I'm pretty sure if I had of been in a very fast car for those early years I would of had more incidents than the one I had, and potentially killed myself.

Yes, retreads are that bad. Most I've seen are rated for top speeds of 80km/h. Those chunks of tyres you see up and down the freeway? Retreads (mostly from trucks I know, but retreads notheless).

Oh, and you do know that there is (at least in NSW) an offence called "burnout" and "aggravated burnout" so "having a bit of fun" is illegal right?

That all said I currently drive a J-Spec Mazda MX6. Non-turbo, but Mx5 handling with a 2.5L 180hp V6. It's not a monster but it's very fun to drive twisty roads in, and insure for an under 25 year old.

[murrum]

i drive a peugeot diesel wagon with a baby seat in the back. :o
Lucky I have a bike for cheap thrills!!!

[W2ttsy]

This has to be in contention for the worst thread ever.

Could someone ban Frandy until he grows up, grows a brain or both?

dont worry oddjob, hes just like every other kid thats never been behind the wheel of a real car. it looks easy cos mum and dad never seem to get into difficulties.

once you get behind the wheel, its quite a humbling experience when you realise how fast 60kmh just really is. the passenger seat doesnt accurately give you that feeling.
i wasnt a "omg gotta punch it" learner, and even when i got in the drivers seat for the first time i was quite nervous. im sure frandy will shit a brick the first time he gets in the seat or has to make a driving decision at speed (merging, overtaking, etc)

if i have one piece of learner advice, it would be:

learn in a car park (somewhere like southland or chaddy are not good ideas. you want somewhere open like monash uni on the weekends). i did and thank my mum for her patience every day. not only are you limited to speed of about 20km/h but it teaches you how the car responds when you turn the wheel or apply the brakes.

plus you can also use the bay markings as mock lane markings, and if there are any parked cars and you feel confident, you can practice driving next to them to get an idea of spacial awareness.

once you have done this, getting out on to the road wont be nearly as hard.

also, and some might flame me, i would suggest learning in an auto first up, so you can get the handling of a car down pat, then if you want to learn in a manual move to a car that has that.

just remember, its not a race. there are no points awarded to the driver who can get out of the carpark at woolies fastest.

W2ttsy

[Dozer]

Frandy, you need to pull your head in.
Driving around in a car that has more power than you can handle (it doesn't take too much...) and intentionally getting sideways and doing burnouts on the street is stupid. Not only are you wasting your time and money, you are endangering everything and everyone on the road around you. I've seen many accidents where people have been complete morons and done something "fun" and ended up hurting someone really bad.
They make road rules for a reason, if you stick to them and be a responsible driver, you should do okay.
Keep the performance driving on a race track with the correct safety measures in place.

[Robb]

Oh, and you do know that there is (at least in NSW) an offence called "burnout" and "aggravated burnout" so "having a bit of fun" is illegal right?


Not only is it illegal, but your car can be impounded for 48 hours for first time offence and you will receive a fine. For repeat offenders (third time) they will confiscate your car for good.

[dazz]

Well my frist car was a 1980 mazda 626 that my aunty gave to me when I was 16 because it was worth nothing, we got it road worthy & I drove it for a couple of years. Did some silly stuff (rally style), mucked up a few times & banged it up a bit.

Next was a '87 nissan skyline 5spd man & lsd, again the silly stuff, again dinged under the drivers side door when I slid off the road into a ditch.

My current car, a VU-II SS ute, is worth considerably more than my 1st two cars which means I am much more careful with it. It's also lost a shitload of value since I've had it. It's quite comfortable which is important because I do a LOT of k's which the 8 handles with ease.

Bottom line is that I got it because It's what I wanted, and wont be selling any time soon. (unless I absolutely have to...)

Click the link in my sig & check it out!

[dazz]

Actually, thinking back now. There was one close call that really stands out. I lost control with a car load of passengers and was extremely lucky to not crash. It was soo close to being a possible roll over & into big trees at ~80kph - NO ONE wants to deal with seriously injuring or killing someone, let alone multiple peope. I don't ever want to be in a situation like that again.

[protecon]

i drive a peugeot diesel wagon with a baby seat in the back. :o
Lucky I have a bike for cheap thrills!!!
Diesel powwweeerrrr (Clarkson style).

As for the OP, I encourage darwinism as well as environmentalism - so please, try to get your hands on the most unpractical, inefficient vehicle and make swift work of destroying it.

[---Matt---]

Diesel powwweeerrrr (Clarkson style).

As for the OP, I encourage darwinism as well as environmentalism - so please, try to get your hands on the most unpractical, inefficient vehicle and make swift work of destroying it.

That's a great idea! Really! Then we can get back to using cars as a form of transport and not have any need for high power unless you actually race (on a track).
I mean seriously, why does anyone need that much power from their car? I have a diesel Toyota 4Runner with 60kW of power and 183Nm torque in a car that weighs over 1600kg and I have never needed any more than that. Oh, and I get on average, 10L/100km

---Matt---

[Robb]

Actually, thinking back now. There was one close call that really stands out. I lost control with a car load of passengers and was extremely lucky to not crash. It was soo close to being a possible roll over & into big trees at ~80kph - NO ONE wants to deal with seriously injuring or killing someone, let alone multiple peope. I don't ever want to be in a situation like that again.


That reminds me of something i saw on rexnet.com.au...


Found some old pics of this crash i was in a few years back.We had bought this old mazda and on the last day of rego went for a strap
I drove for a bit doin a few slides and stuff and then was stupid enough to let my mate have a go laugh.gif well he came into the first corner a left hander doing about 80ks and got sideways powering out in third gear,the car didnt really have the power to keep the over steer going and it snaped back,he wasnt anywhere near capable of predicting it or catching it,as i found out.

The car flicked right and slid toward the side of the road i could see quite a solid tree coming straight toward the front passanger door where i was sitting the next thing the car hit the dirt gutter this rolled it on its side so fast you would not belive it,the tree hit the top of the roof crushing it in on us.


The front part of the roof caught the top of my mates head if you look close at the picture of the inside of the car you can actualy see where it has hit from the blood stain,when he came too he then proceded to freek out and do the nice finger paint design that you can see on hood lining.

I didn't have a scratch on me the roof was going straight down towards my legs and about 15 cm infront of my face,i had to lean the seat back and slide out through the back side window,while he was yelling "dont leave me hear,don't leave me hear!" and trying to pull me back into the car.

I had to run around and lean his seat back and bend the back window down to slide him out through it,as i was pulling him out i could see this huge cut in his head about 20cm long,i wraped it up with his T shirt and then we had to walk about 2ks down the road befor the ranger came along.My mate ended up going into sugery that night and had 57 stiches in his head and about ten on the back of each hand because the tree crushed them on the steering wheel.

I still remember when we were walking down the road he said "it seemed so much easier on the playstation" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
the cop reckond he had never seen a car that damaged in a crash without a fatality,i supose you could say we were lucky.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/captain-rats/crash.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/captain-rats/crash001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/captain-rats/crash002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/captain-rats/crash003.jpg




Sorry for the hijack, but just some evidence of how quickly a little bit of ignorant 'fun' can turn into an allmost serious life threatening event.

[Arete]

Jesus H Christ. They got very very lucky. I put an Outback on its roof when I was 18, but it looked nothing like that disaster.
I vote best post in this thread Robb. Picture tells 1000 words and all.

[dazz]

Yep, that could have been me. Same car too, except mine was light brown in color.

[murrum]

That's a great idea! Really! Then we can get back to using cars as a form of transport and not have any need for high power unless you actually race (on a track).
I mean seriously, why does anyone need that much power from their car? I have a diesel Toyota 4Runner with 60kW of power and 183Nm torque in a car that weighs over 1600kg and I have never needed any more than that. Oh, and I get on average, 10L/100km

---Matt---

i do get the benefit of peugeot HDI efficiency.....5.5L/100ks is my current average:) :) :)

[---Matt---]

i do get the benefit of peugeot HDI efficiency.....5.5L/100ks is my current average:) :) :)

Damn you and your european efficiency! ;)

I personally can't wait for the day that petrol/dino diesel runs out and I'm left running on 100% biodiesel... but that's gonna be a while away yet.

---Matt---

[Elbo]

I've got a 1985 4 Runner, and i love it. It's a 2.4 litre diesel and has done around 500,000 kms. Had some oil and clutch problems a few years back but we got it all sorted out. Latest thing I had done to it was had extractors put on. The car is pretty old now being an '85 model and basically has no power left in it. Dad and I are thinking of getting a new engine for it, something like a 2.8 or 3.0 turbo diesel, that's about all it will fit. Suspension is stock, leaf in the rear. Works best when on a full tank and with some weight in the back.

[and1]

as for depreciation, mitsubishi have the worst depreciation value. my girl friends lancer was $23,990 new (2005), she bought it a year after it was released for $12,500 (2006). not the best resale value ever.
my car was $33,990 brand new (2004) and i picked it up for $21k (2006), and its worth at the start of this year was closer to $24k. i got mine cheaper than retail as i knew the dealer, but still, its better resale value than the mistubishi.

W2ttsy


You realise that a type r isn't mitsubishi right?

[hubbie]

cmon guys,
be nice to the kid. I'm sure everyone on here has wanted to "rip a burnout" or just go fast at some stage. how about we be a positive and friendly role model for him?

Retreads really are shocking. they are ok for A to B, but even then they suck. Better to buy a good pair that will actually save you in the wet, and try and restrict burnouts. You know if the cops find you losing traction, they can impound your car for something like 3 months?

[Frandy]

dont worry oddjob, hes just like every other kid thats never been behind the wheel of a real car. it looks easy cos mum and dad never seem to get into difficulties.

once you get behind the wheel, its quite a humbling experience when you realise how fast 60kmh just really is. the passenger seat doesnt accurately give you that feeling.
i wasnt a "omg gotta punch it" learner, and even when i got in the drivers seat for the first time i was quite nervous. im sure frandy will shit a brick the first time he gets in the seat or has to make a driving decision at speed (merging, overtaking, etc)

if i have one piece of learner advice, it would be:

learn in a car park (somewhere like southland or chaddy are not good ideas. you want somewhere open like monash uni on the weekends). i did and thank my mum for her patience every day. not only are you limited to speed of about 20km/h but it teaches you how the car responds when you turn the wheel or apply the brakes.

plus you can also use the bay markings as mock lane markings, and if there are any parked cars and you feel confident, you can practice driving next to them to get an idea of spacial awareness.

once you have done this, getting out on to the road wont be nearly as hard.

also, and some might flame me, i would suggest learning in an auto first up, so you can get the handling of a car down pat, then if you want to learn in a manual move to a car that has that.

just remember, its not a race. there are no points awarded to the driver who can get out of the carpark at woolies fastest.

W2ttsy

Sorry if i sound stupid...
But i HAVE driven a car, 3 times (twice at a farm), a VC Wagon at 80km/h fanging it round corners :) And also an old Dihatsu 4wd, i did a 4 gear burnout in that :D cause we were in a paddock. I know how a car handles, not well, but i have been behind the wheel of 3 different cars, so im not THAT bad and dreaming THAT much. I have done a powerslide in the VC, spun out though, held it for a bit but :p Just practise, im going up there for chirstmas again...

I have also driven my mates sisters car in a carpark. I floored it but the front wheels wouldnt spin around corners :p I have a fair idea of how the car feels at about 60km/h and how it feels under braking :)

Cheers

[norcorulz]

Sorry if i sound stupid...
But i HAVE driven a car, 3 times (all at a farm), a VC Wagon at 80km/h fanging it round corners :) And also an old Dihatsu 4wd, i did a 4 gear burnout in that :D cause we were in a paddock. I know how a car handles, not well, but i have been behind the wheel of 2 different cars, so im not THAT bad and dreaming THAT much. I have done a powerslide in the VC, spun out though, held it for a bit but :p Just practise, im going up there for chirstmas again...

CHeers

But you do understand that driving a car on a farm is completely different to actually driving on the road. Firstly on a farm there are no obstacles and no other road users so. What i'm trying to point out to you is that driving on a farm to driving on a road is completley different and should not be viewed in a 'i'll be right attitude'. Also a car handles completely different from being on dirt at a farm to being on tarmac. And with this drift/powerslide attitude, you really need to understand that you are only 15 and have had no real experience of how to control a car when you lose control or traction, it's not as easy as braking or letting the accelerator off and it will be right. After reading this thread i also think you need to realise that there are other road users, not just yourself and you will be indangering them aswell. And if you want to "fand it" around corners i suggest you go to a racetrack that is at a controlled environment because i don't want to be the one driving and you coming head on at me.

I'm not having a go at you at all, you just need to understand what it is really like to drive a car.

[Frandy]

im not saying that i am good. Im just saying that i have been behind the wheel of a car. I will still be scared sh!tless when i get behind the wheel of a car on the road, i know that, and i dont want to be doing burnouts all the time. Im not going to be a good driver, im going to be a safe driver, im just saying that every once in a while it would be fun. I have 2 P platers next door to me with VS SS's and they are always doing burnouts, and my cousin owns a VY SV8, he doesnt do burnouts but he does floor it and lets the tyres kick out a little around round-abouts. I have always been obsessed with cars and i just love the way they sound and look, thats it...Im very concious that i sound like im going to kill myself, my mum will never take me out for a drive because she thinks i will crash in a car park and it would be hard for her to pay premium as my mum is a single mum lookin after me and my sis. But if i had the chance to drive early in a carpark or anywhere, i would take it :)

Cheers

[W2ttsy]

You realise that a type r isn't mitsubishi right?

yes i do know that they are a honda spin off (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Type_R). they are much like holden and HSV.

any how i was just relating import to home grown cars in terms of resale value.

as for doing burnouts in 4th, youll get better low down torque in 1st and the wheels will spin longer. but thats not a suggestion to try it, just a fact.
as for trying to do wheelspins in a FWD car, i wont even bother going there.

im not saying that i am good. Im just saying that i have been behind the wheel of a car. I will still be scared sh!tless when i get behind the wheel of a car on the road, i know that, and i dont want to be doing burnouts all the time. Im not going to be a good driver, im going to be a safe driver, im just saying that every once in a while it would be fun. I have 2 P platers next door to me with VS SS's and they are always doing burnouts, and my cousin owns a VY SV8, he doesnt do burnouts but he does floor it and lets the tyres kick out a little around round-abouts. I have always been obsessed with cars and i just love the way they sound and look, thats it...Im very concious that i sound like im going to kill myself, my mum will never take me out for a drive because she thinks i will crash in a car park and it would be hard for her to pay premium as my mum is a single mum lookin after me and my sis. But if i had the chance to drive early in a carpark or anywhere, i would take it :)

Cheers

you will need to readjust your mentality quickly if you want to have your licence or life for long. not trying to be a hard ass, and im definately not a grandpa driver (ive been down the strip, done drifts and laid down rubber many a time), its just sensibility. doesnt surprise me why your mum is scared to let you in her car.

your mates next door (no offence) sound like dickheads and are the reason that P platers cop a beating in the media. and lossing traction in a roundabout isnt the best idea in the world. all it takes is a miscalculation and youre either sideways or backwards in a roundabout thats a constant flow of traffic.

as for crashing in a car park, you shouldnt need to worry about that. its not too difficult to get the hang of driving, and since you wont be doing more than 20km/h you will have more than enough time to stop. pro tip: wait to get your Ls before driving a car. if the police catch you driving unlicensed, you will be in the shit for a long time. not to mention that car parks are public areas and the police can do you there.

just food for thought re your car purchase. my cousin (freeride_sweet on here) just bought a VN HSV. insurance is $1638 a year for him, and its a V6. a V8 (even if you are able to to drive one) will be way more.

and my car VY v6 takes about $80 a week worth of petrol. and thats driving gingerly. being a toss and leaving the lights hard turns $80 into more like $150

W2ttsy

[konasaurus]

frandy you have no idea what your talking about

[Frandy]

like i said, im not going to do it all the time at all, barely a lot at all. And i agree with you, the guys next door are dickheads :p I will be like any male driver out there, driving sensibly but maybe once in a while, a LONG while, maybe a little bit of fun when no1 is out, nutin too rong in that, i see where you are coming from, and i know what you are saying :)

Cheers

[konasaurus]

like i said, im not going to do it all the time at all, barely a lot at all. And i agree with you, the guys next door are dickheads :p I will be like any male driver out there, driving sensibly but maybe once in a while, a LONG while, maybe a little bit of fun when no1 is out, nutin too rong in that, i see where you are coming from, and i know what you are saying :)

Cheers

god you get stupid with each post

[Frandy]

it just shits me when people bag the shit out of me when i did nothing fuk!n wrong :confused: Mods can delete this threat if they want to, its just bloody pointless, every1 saying that im a dickhead for wanting to have some fun in a car, i know at least 300 kids my age that want to do the exact same thing. Ill grow up but still be bloody obsessed. B4 i fell in love with bikes i got myself 150 posts on a Commie forum that has taught me alot about stuff to do with them, so im not completely flippin stupid.

[bazza]

god you get stupid with each post

hahahahhahahahahah. best post. he really is. read the advice and take it on board man. im pretty sure i lost my p's the other day because i was speeding on the high way (havent paid my fine yet so i don't know how many points i lose). so really for me only doing a 'little bit extra' to get to cairns faster i face being without the ability to drive for 3 months which is really shit. its not a race on the roads trust me. just sit back, do the speed limit and if you want to go and do 'sick burn-outs or some 'fangin around corners' go do it out on your farm and put a roll cage in your car or something. you dont understand how easy it is to die or kill others while driving a car. so once you understand that frandy than come back and post some more. your attitude is that of a pure dead shit bogan. go and do a defensive driving course already if you really want to learn. and the best car to learn in is a newish little mazda or similar type of car than slowly give larger cars a go.

[bazza]

it just shits me when people bag the shit out of me when i did nothing fuk!n wrong :confused: Mods can delete this threat if they want to, its just bloody pointless, every1 saying that im a dickhead for wanting to have some fun in a car, i know at least 300 kids my age that want to do the exact same thing. Ill grow up but still be bloody obsessed. B4 i fell in love with bikes i got myself 150 posts on a Commie forum that has taught me alot about stuff to do with them, so im not completely flippin stupid.

your 15. you have never been in a serious accident. you have never had people you know die in a car accident. once this happens let me know.


also to anyone out there while this is 'car chat' i need some parts for my 98 magna that are broken/lost for the interior are there any good wreckers on the net or sites that are cheaper than the local dealership to get spares? (75 bucks for a skid plate or mud scraper thingo or whatever the plastic things are at the bottom of the door frame to stop crap getting in your car)

[konasaurus]

just goto the wreckers around town barron ... they will have the parts

[S.]

This thread really does serve to reinforce my belief that Aussies in general are tightarse, holier-than-thou wowsers with an absolute obsession with telling other people what to do. OH MY GOD A BURNOUT HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONCEIVE OF SUCH AN EVIL, DANGEROUS ACT! CHUCK HIM IN JAIL!

[W2ttsy]

This thread really does serve to reinforce my belief that Aussies in general are tightarse, holier-than-thou wowsers with an absolute obsession with telling other people what to do. OH MY GOD A BURNOUT HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONCEIVE OF SUCH AN EVIL, DANGEROUS ACT! CHUCK HIM IN JAIL!

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/10/A21BB994-89A2-4199-A7D9-FFC0E2CCF557.htm

torana held it, VS ute held it, $300,000 farrari hit a wall. even the best cars cant do a good burnout.

theres a time and place S.

skid pan, yes. summer nats, yes. private land, yes. public road, no.

W2ttsy

[S.]

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/10/A21BB994-89A2-4199-A7D9-FFC0E2CCF557.htm

torana held it, VS ute held it, $300,000 farrari hit a wall. even the best cars cant do a good burnout.

theres a time and place S.

skid pan, yes. summer nats, yes. private land, yes. public road, no.

W2ttsy

Yeah, I mean it wouldn't be because the Ferrari generates ridiculous amounts of grip because it's designed NOT to slip, or the fact that he was dumb enough to keep going well past where he should have backed off, or the fact that he was just showing off for the cameras. How many times do people do burnouts and NOT crash? So far I'd estimate I've seen a few hundred of them in my lifetime, and the worst I've seen was a guy pop a back tyre (on a motorbike) and lay it down at all of about 10km/h when the rim hit the ground.

But all you're doing is proving my point, so carry right on!

[the F.H.B]

Well i've just read through the thread and I reckon give the kid a break. We almost all were there once, we all sped, scared our selves and most of us have been in an accident(I'd wager more than a few of us have lost friends...). Dont bag the kid out for being young.
Frandy, do your self a favour and dont get a V8 until your in a good position to afford to run and maintain one. Get a car that is reliable and handles well, then go have fun! Burnouts are only cool for the first couple of days, cars that handle well on windy back roads at speed are 10 times more fun!
Anyway I've had my share of quick cars over the last 16 years and the ones that handled well are the ones I look back on and miss...
My cars- (in order from getting my licence) Honda CRX, Honda civic, Fiat Tipo, Lancia Delta HF turbo :D, Lancia Y10, Audi GT coupe :D, Volvo 340, Seat ibiza

[sawtell]

some of you guys have some big penis's of the e variety.... who are you telling him he is a dick head, he is just a boy, not much younger than my self.. i understand where he is coming from.. dreaming, like everyone does..

but yeah im looking for a first car atm, i had my parents VX wagon lined up but i just cant afford it..
So im going for a older model liberty wagon, cant afford the running cost of a turbo one, so just a NA 2,2 ltr, one day i would hope in doing a engine transplant to a forced induction but o well, i dont really need to drive quick atm. and everything you plan for the future is all just dreaming...!


any way i have to admit this thread is pointless...
(ps if any one knows any one selling an older model lib wagon, manual gx gen1 series2 , let us know.. or anythign similiar.)

[W2ttsy]

when a p plating hoon wipes out and puts you in a wheelchair you will sit back and think, gee i wish there werent as many hoons out there.

W2ttsy

[GravityGuru]

you wont learn that at a defensive driver course. for starters you wont get the car above 50km/h and none of the execises involve drifting, or getting the back wheels to kick out.
they will teach you how to brake hard, do a slalom (to gauge body roll) and a hairpin turn. at 50km/h most of these are impossible to do with out hitting the cones, and at 40km/h i just managed to make it without losing it or hitting the cones (i have a commie too).

even in advanced courses, you wont be doing drifties. They get you into nasty situations (in a skid pan) to teach you how to react. spin outs, getting out of a slide, out of a skid, out of wheel lock. its definately more challenging and when they add oil or water, its a whole new ball game.


W2ttsy

What I meant by the defensive driving comment is after doing the excersises above and listening to the sound advice from the instructors he will relize how stupid his whole outlook is on driving. Nobody will teach you drifts because it is NEVER safe no matter how good of a driver you are. And i'm not saying don't do them cause most teenagers have/will i know i will, just consider where and how you do them because you can easily end your own and more importantly someone elses life! Lets not even get started on the fact that most car accidents /deaths are caused by inattention drinking etc rather than hoon behaviour

[julzy]

im 16 and i know i carnt drive compared to most but i have my mighty 84' civic for motorsport, stripped interior, minimal muffling do motorkahnas and stuff it so much fun and a very effective handbrake and also navigate for my dad in his 74' 504 rally car . so to the kid that reckons he wants to put a $15,000 twin turbo kit and do fully hektic burnouts in a commodore its not an acheivment any1 who has ever driven a car can do that so feel real cool buddy,


u rock my world

ohh and for my first car sprinter with a 20 valve, quads ,bored, 288 degree cams with massive lift

[Robb]

This thread really does serve to reinforce my belief that Aussies in general are tightarse, holier-than-thou wowsers with an absolute obsession with telling other people what to do. OH MY GOD A BURNOUT HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONCEIVE OF SUCH AN EVIL, DANGEROUS ACT! CHUCK HIM IN JAIL!

I think that most people have tried to tell him how stupid it can be in a fairly resonable mannor (I might not have, saying he had watched too much Fast and the Furious :p). He wasn't just talking about doing a burnout on an empty road eg. He thought everyone in his school would think he was a sic cunt if his dad had a twin turbo SS/Clubsport that ripped burnouts out of the carpark once his dad had dropped him off.
Look at the old mazda i posted here, just some guys having a bit of harmless fun, who got very unlucky. I agree that just calling him an idiot isn't very constructive, but where is the issue with giving him the advice of 'drifting in and out of peak hour traffic isn't the best of ideas, go to a track/skid pan for that sort of behaviour' as many posters in this thread said.

[Frandy]

so to the kid that reckons he wants to put a $15,000 twin turbo kit and do fully hektic burnouts in a commodore its not an acheivment any1 who has ever driven a car can do that so feel real cool buddy,


u rock my world

ohh and for my first car sprinter with a 20 valve, quads ,bored, 288 degree cams with massive lift

Na, the Twin Turbo is for a statesman when im about mid to late thirties and have a family. Im not going to be doing burnouts in traffic, that is just a recepie for death!! I have seen people spin out and almost go off the side of a bridge around the corner from my house cause he wanted to do a fishy down the main road, i know how people lose it, and i know a few people who have lost their lives in car accidents, friends friends, cousins friends, no-one directly but i do know how devistating it is to lose a family member or friend because of death :( Im not gonna say any more, just use this thread as it was intended, ask questions about cars, car parts and what you have done to it :)

CHeers

[Arete]

B4 i fell in love with bikes i got myself 150 posts on a Commie forum that has taught me alot about stuff to do with them, so im not completely flippin stupid.

"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken"
Does the number of posts you make on farkin make you a better rider?
Reading about driving teaches you nothing about driving. In fact stuff read posted by commodore enthusiasts enacted by a completely inexperienced 15 year old in a V8 is really really bad thing IMO.

Drool over the V8's, and wait til you can afford a hot monaro/ss or whatever, and are a better driver (please don't turn into one of those middle aged wankers who thinks everyone else on the road is in the way of his personal mission though). Or get into karting. For around 2-3K you could get into clubman Karts. Keep the "fun" involving loss of traction at speed off the roads please.

That being said, winding down the windows, cranking up the stereo and going for a whip down a twisty section of Old Pacific Highway is great fun. However it does have a limit of 80-100km/h which is plenty fast enough to have some fun, without pushing the boundaries of traction.
I have also through work and uni had the occasional opportunity to drive in National Parks with locked gates at both ends and done a bit of silly stuff.
Cars are great fun.
This thread really does serve to reinforce my belief that Aussies in general are tightarse, holier-than-thou wowsers with an absolute obsession with telling other people what to do. OH MY GOD A BURNOUT HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONCEIVE OF SUCH AN EVIL, DANGEROUS ACT! CHUCK HIM IN JAIL!

Whilst a burnout at the lights is just smoke and noise, delibrately losing traction whilst negotiating a corner (as was suggested by the OP) is probably beyond the safe capabilites of most drivers, especially P platers.

I see your point which you've made in countless other car related threads but the truth of the matter is driving a car is probably the most dangerous thing we all do on a regular basis, and the general public, especially overconfident/inexperienced teenagers don't know what's good for them.
It's illegal to wire your own house if you're not a professional. Why? cause it's dangerous and some idiots would undoubtedly try if they weren't discouraged by the law (I'm sure some try anyway, but at least some discouragement is in place).

I have tonnes of respect for your knowledge on physics and stuff of that nature (you probably know a billion times better than I do how a car works), but I think your point on vehicle restriction is a bit naive.


any way i have to admit this thread is pointless...
(ps if any one knows any one selling an older model lib wagon, manual gx gen1 series2 , let us know.. or anythign similiar.)

Late model subies hold their value rediculously. I was looking at one until I discovered that I'd still be paying $10k for one with 150-200k on it. That said my mum will not drive anything but a subie and now drives an Outback 3.0ltd and it's a damn nice car that bugger all goes wrong with. Check out the Toytoa 4wd wagons - toyota styling at it's most hideous but a bulletproof reputation.

[$h0rty]

Late model subies hold their value rediculously. I was looking at one until I discovered that I'd still be paying $10k for one with 150-200k on it. That said my mum will not drive anything but a subie and now drives an Outback 3.0ltd and it's a damn nice car that bugger all goes wrong with.

Tell me about it!
Looking at getting my own first car soon, really want a liberty wagon, but doesnt look like I'll be able to afford one.
My parents drive nothing but Subaru's now, Dad's currently in a new 3.0 R-B, Mum's got her '98 Liberty Heritage (only done 50,000k's), which I'm currently driving.

I'm 18, and looking to get my own car at the end of september, but not quite sure what to get, and whether I should/shouldnt get a loan. Any advice? I was thinking of getting a $5000ish loan, on top of my $2000ish, I dont think servicing the loan would be a problem, as I'll be working full time come december this year.
Or should i keep saving til I can afford the car without a loan?
Any advice?

[Arete]

I had 10k, and bought the MX6 as previously mentioned. With 7k, if I was dead set on a wagon I'd probably have a look at the 4wd toyotas or (heaven forbid) a Camry. Toyota priced servicing and reliabilty, shit boring everything else, but a comparably priced subie is going to be a lot older and a comparably pirced flacodore is going to be older and have more stuff go wrong with it.

I'm going to be looking again in a year or so I guess, and being 25 and hopefully having a little more to spend I'm currently keen on a Stagea wagon :)

[donthucktoflat]

it might only put out the same amount of power as a new V6, but the Alloytec dont hav as much torque nore the sound and street appeal :) The Alloytec is 190kW/330Nm, whereas the 5lt V8 is 168kW/395Nm, i think thats lyk 17% more torque which means alot more fun and burning rubber :)

Cheers
buddy believe me, the new alloytechs are PLENTY good at burning rubber and are CERTAINLY no slouch off the line (0-100 in 6.9secs? yes please) not to mention more fuel efficient and less likely to get pulled over (new commys arent cop bait unlike VS, VP and now VTs and VXs)

also, for anyone loving crazyness.. http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=219069

CA18DET in a morris minor.. or a morris minor on an S13 chassis and running gear or S13 running gear and chassis in a morris minor, i dont exactly know but HOLY CRAP!!:eek: :eek: 400bhp in an 800KG car=mucho funo

[W2ttsy]

i saw the new SS last night on the way home, and i think ill drive into the dealer on sunday and check it out! it looked way better in the flesh than in the photos.

as for the subarus, be prepared to get reamed by the insurance man. i was looking at 1996 RX wagon, and insurance was still in the $1900 mark :(

W2ttsy

[Dozer]

i saw the new SS last night on the way home, and i think ill drive into the dealer on sunday and check it out! it looked way better in the flesh than in the photos.


W2ttsy

I got the call from the dealer this morning and I'm booked in to test drive the new SS at lunch time today......:D
Holding my breath......

[W2ttsy]

I got the call from the dealer this morning and I'm booked in to test drive the new SS at lunch time today......:D
Holding my breath......

let me know if its worth $53k. might just have to swap the VY for one.

W2ttsy

[MasterOfReality]

Right,

I got a VP HSV with the 180kW 5 litre in it. Yeah, its got 400Nm of torque which makes it easy to drive, and I drive it everyday in town.

However, unless you got yourself a decent job to pay for the fuel, i'd stay away from one. According to my trip computer, my average speed and fuel consumption for a tank of fuel is around 30km/hr and 23L/100km respectively. Now if more freeway driving is involved and the average speed increases to around 35km/hr, then the fuel consumption drops to around 16-17L/100km.

Now, since fuel is never going to get cheaper, you might want to consider this. Personally, the price of fuel is not an issue for me because I have a good job, but for a lot of people, it is.

Another thing is insurance. I pay about $1500 a year comprehensive with Shannons, and I'm 27 this year. You can easily double that figure for yourself. Is it worth forking out $3000 a year for a car worth less than 10 grand?

Another thing, I used to have the same mindset as you. I couldn't wait to get a V8 and all that sort of shit. My old man convinced me to wait until I was at least over 21 because by that time, I could afford one and won't get ripped by insurance.

Now, I'm over the whole Commonwhore thing now, aussie made cars are garbage. Keep in mind, you will be driving a car with a shit gearbox, IRS that destroys rear tyres, a cabin that rattles its guts out and a power steering pump that will shit itself.

Like I said, I know where you are coming from, I was there myself, but I'm just trying to illustrate to you what its like. You will have fun when you first get the car, but it quickly wears off.

[S.]

Whilst a burnout at the lights is just smoke and noise, delibrately losing traction whilst negotiating a corner (as was suggested by the OP) is probably beyond the safe capabilites of most drivers, especially P platers.

I see your point which you've made in countless other car related threads but the truth of the matter is driving a car is probably the most dangerous thing we all do on a regular basis, and the general public, especially overconfident/inexperienced teenagers don't know what's good for them.
It's illegal to wire your own house if you're not a professional. Why? cause it's dangerous and some idiots would undoubtedly try if they weren't discouraged by the law (I'm sure some try anyway, but at least some discouragement is in place).

I have tonnes of respect for your knowledge on physics and stuff of that nature (you probably know a billion times better than I do how a car works), but I think your point on vehicle restriction is a bit naive.

I'm not questioning the fact that it's more dangerous to drift a car on the street than it is to drive like a grandma (unless you drive like a grandma in front of me, then it becomes very dangerous :p ), I simply don't think it's our ("our" including the government's) place to tell other people what to do just for the sake of protecting them from themselves.

As far as driving being the most dangerous thing we do on a regular basis, statistically speaking that's probably correct (since young, fit, healthy people generally aren't at great risk of dying from heart failure, degenerative diseases etc), and that's why we already have regulations in place to ensure that you have to demonstrate at least a basic ability to control a motor vehicle - ie get a licence. P-platers already HAVE a whole host of extra restrictions slapped on them (zero BAC reading, only 5 demerit points instead of the usual 12, and in NSW you have those absofuckinglutely retarded laws about only being limited to 80 or something even on freeways) in acknowledgement of their relative inexperience and whatnot, why do we keep needing to scream out for harsher and harsher rules about things to prevent ACCIDENTAL deaths? No matter what anyone does - and believe me the various governments of Australia are aware of this - the road toll will NEVER drop to zero until and unless we stop using transport at all. And what the hell is the point of that? The reason we HAVE cars that can do 100km/h, 200km/h, whatever is because we need them to cover long distances quickly (unless of course we want to go back to the standards of living experienced before motorised transport). Obviously there are risks involved, but that's always the tradeoff, and at some point we DO have to say "yep X hundred/thousand people dying per year is an acceptable risk for the benefit this provides". Yeah it sucks when it happens to you or someone you know/love, but that's life. If you're that scared by the odds of getting killed or injured in a car crash, walk everywhere. Don't ride your bike, a V8 piloted by a drunken P-plater might run into you because you'd be on or near the road most of the time. Don't get the bus, those things roll over easily. Trains... well don't you know that electricity is conducted by metal, and electricity kills you, and trains are made of metal? That's a big risk to be taking!


Seriously, my objection is more on the ideological grounds. I don't WANT to be protected from myself, and I don't want to subject other people to that either unless they seriously are too young to have any concept of the consequences, like a small kid sticking a knife in a toaster - this is already catered for by the fact that you're not allowed to drive until a certain age anyway. In fact, I find it insulting that anyone would try and control my life to such an extent as to try and remove responsibility for my own life from my own hands.

[brisneyland]

This thread really does serve to reinforce my belief that Aussies in general are tightarse, holier-than-thou wowsers with an absolute obsession with telling other people what to do. OH MY GOD A BURNOUT HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONCEIVE OF SUCH AN EVIL, DANGEROUS ACT! CHUCK HIM IN JAIL!

I guess this is inkeeping with the idea that we're well on our way to becoming the most over regulated country on earth. It shits me.

I'm all for a bit of anarchy and civil disobedience.

FWIW, when I was 17 I frequently drove the old man's car, that would hit 100k in less than 5.5 seconds (and boy did I take advantage of that), never pranged it or even had a close call.

To all you naysayers: just cause you didn't have a flash car when you were young doesn't mean others can't.

[wombat]

Seriously, my objection is more on the ideological grounds. I don't WANT to be protected from myself...
What if I want to be protected from you?

[S.]

when a p plating hoon wipes out and puts you in a wheelchair you will sit back and think, gee i wish there werent as many hoons out there.

W2ttsy

hahahaha. That's the single worst argument anyone's made in this thread.

[S.]

What if I want to be protected from you?

When you ride a bike, do YOU wear a helmet or do you pad the hell out of all the places you ride?

[Binaural]

When you ride a bike, do YOU wear a helmet or do you pad the hell out of all the places you ride?

Now you're being a bit silly. Trees are not much the worse for being run into with a bike; rbeing hit by an out of control car while you are driving along is a lousy experience for both parties.

[wombat]

When you ride a bike, do YOU wear a helmet or do you pad the hell out of all the places you ride?
When you walk down the street do you wear a bullet proof vest, or do you hope that our laws and their enforcement prevents anyone from using objects near you as target practice?

[S.]

Now you're being a bit silly. Trees are not much the worse for being run into with a bike; rbeing hit by an out of control car while you are driving along is a lousy experience for both parties.

I think you're missing the analogy here. When you go riding, you accept there's a multitude of risks, which you can't control all of. Sometimes you will stuff up and crash, other times something will go wrong that you couldn't foresee (mechanical problems, stick in spokes, or if you're in the start gate at thredbo you might get a 100kg rock roll over you).

When you walk down the street do you wear a bullet proof vest, or do you hope that our laws and their enforcement prevents anyone from using objects near you as target practice?

ahahaha. Your arguments are just getting worse and worse. When I walk down the street I don't see any potential reason for me to get shot, hence I don't bother. You drive a car on the road where there are other cars and a long long list of examples where something has gone wrong (be it driver error, mechanical failure, whatever) and caused a crash, then you KNOW there's a risk and you implicitly accept that, whether you like it or not. What you do to minimise the risk to yourself should be up to you.

[ajay]

why do we keep needing to scream out for harsher and harsher rules about things to prevent ACCIDENTAL deaths?

They're not "accidental, they're always avoidable and they're always a result of someones stupidity and/or lack of skill or attention.

In fact, I find it insulting that anyone would try and control my life to such an extent as to try and remove responsibility for my own life from my own hands.


Responsibility has been removed from your hands. Nothing is your fault there is always someone else to blame.

It seems that way these days anyway...

[S.]

They're not "accidental, they're always avoidable and they're always a result of someones stupidity and/or lack of skill or attention.

Something being "accidental" means that it was not intentional. It does not exclude somebody from fault, negligence, stupidity, avoidability etc. People who say "it's not an accident" are full of it, because it IS an accident. For example, the way culpable drink-drivers are accused of being murderers - can you really compare somebody who unintentionally caused the death of somebody else, to somebody who deliberately murders somebody out of malice/revenge/anger/whatever? End result is the same, both people are at fault, but one person did it intentionally and that is a huge difference IMO.

[Binaural]

I think you're missing the analogy here. When you go riding, you accept there's a multitude of risks, which you can't control all of. Sometimes you will stuff up and crash, other times something will go wrong that you couldn't foresee (mechanical problems, stick in spokes, or if you're in the start gate at thredbo you might get a 100kg rock roll over you).

You control almost all your own exposure to injury and pain when you go for a ride, but driving on the road is a totally different game of dice. If some pin-eyed individualist decides that they don't do red lights then it definitely affects me, and I'd say that is is entirely reasonable of me to want to minimize my exposure to risks imposed on me by this sort of driver. You will always have to accept some risks you can't control, but that is very different from fatalistically accepting them.

When you're using common resources like roads, you should be willing to accept that reasonable common standards should apply. It's all fine and well to say that people can choose their own risks, but realize that role models for total individualism and zero rules include countries like Iran, Malaysia, China and Thailand. Having driven in the eye-bulging madness of two of those countries and seen the carnage on the roads there, I state with authority: having road rules and an system for enforcing them is a very good thing compared with the alternative.

[ajay]

Something being "accidental" means that it was not intentional. It does not exclude somebody from fault, negligence, stupidity, avoidability etc. People who say "it's not an accident" are full of it, because it IS an accident. For example, the way culpable drink-drivers are accused of being murderers - can you really compare somebody who unintentionally caused the death of somebody else, to somebody who deliberately murders somebody out of malice/revenge/anger/whatever? End result is the same, both people are at fault, but one person did it intentionally and that is a huge difference IMO.

You just made my point...

If a drunk driver gets behind the wheel he/she knows full well that they are not able to drive, yet they proceed anyway, killing someone, that IMO is NOT an accident. The driver knew the consequences of those actions along time before he chose to do it. Maybe not murder, but DEFINATELY man slaughter in the highest degree.

[murrum]

In fact, I find it insulting that anyone would try and control my life to such an extent as to try and remove responsibility for my own life from my own hands.

I agree - I couldnt give a rats if you powerslid your way into a power pole and died an a mangled flaming wreck:eek: :eek:

But...the fact is people need to be reponsible for their actions, particularly the use of large fast chunks of metal in a space where the public exist - people arent (drink driving, speeding etc) so controls are needed.

I am definitely all for personal responisiblty and less regulation of our lives - the current approach to smokers shits me to tears. But as the potential for your actions to injure or damage another party increase you are going to find yourself coming up against rules...thats what living in a society/community is about.

[V10]

Yer tiger ive got a car for you. Its an 04 BA falcon ute puts out 450Kwts and 1237ntm of torque AP brakes, 19inch wheels blah blah, been in heaps of mags. $50,000. Oh and 11.5 ltrs per hundred kms! Sorry boys V8s arnt an ecinomical way of ataining BIG grunt. This is a no s#%t add its a real car if you can handle it.

[Frandy]

Holy shit!! A BA Falcon XR6 turbo ute puttin out 450kW+!! Thats crazy :) Can u post a pic up??

Cheers

[Arete]

I agree - I couldnt give a rats if you powerslid your way into a power pole and died an a mangled flaming wreck:eek: :eek:

But...the fact is people need to be reponsible for their actions, particularly the use of large fast chunks of metal in a space where the public exist - people arent (drink driving, speeding etc) so controls are needed.

I am definitely all for personal responisiblty and less regulation of our lives - the current approach to smokers shits me to tears. But as the potential for your actions to injure or damage another party increase you are going to find yourself coming up against rules...thats what living in a society/community is about.

I see S.'s point, and to an extent agree. It would be great if people could be trusted to use their personal judgememt to safely live their lives. I mean, on the road a 40 tonne truck is legally able to do the same speed as me in my 1350kg car. As such I could safely drive far in excess of the legal limit in many places if it was left up to my personal judgement.

However you and him seem to have a whole heap more faith in mankind than I do - it's been shown countless times that people in general are not capable of using their best judgement not to kill themselves and others.

For instance it'd be great it kids like franky could actually think "I'll wait until I'm a bit older before I buy a V8/turbo when I can afford to run it at the strip and track a bit and drive safe on the road." However it's been shown they don't think like that and as a result, can poentially wind up dead or worse, killing me. Hence restrictions in place.

Ideologically I agree with S's point, practically, I think people are too stupid.

[tommydh12]

[wombat edit: Who the hell died and made you god? There's no need for that level of abuse, so just shut up.]

[exvitermini]

Holy shit!! A BA Falcon XR6 turbo ute puttin out 450kW+!! Thats crazy :) Can u post a pic up??

Cheers
im in no way a ford man but http://www.nizpro.com.au/cobra_kits_main.html
i seem to remember reading somewhere that they had a 750kw build somewhere?...(i maybe wrong tho)

[DeSloth]

Yay, skids are fun :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3906517937854638250&q=burnout


Frandy... :(

[tommydh12]

[wombat edit: Who the hell died and made you god? There's no need for that level of abuse, so just shut up.]

lol man his like my best mate just given him sum shit he needs someone to put him in his place so he doesnt go and kill him self

cheers tom

[grumpy rooster]

This thread is hilarious. :p

Its obvious we are on a non car related forum.

Continue the comedy routine. :D

[Frandy]

thats flippin sweet :) im a holden man myself, but i also like the look of the territory turbo :)

[Frandy]

lol man his like my best mate just given him sum shit he needs someone to put him in his place so he doesnt go and kill him self

cheers tom

Tom, iv had enough people tell me off, i dont need you to save the day too.... and im not that F*CKING STUPID, im not going to kill myself

[exvitermini]

Tom, iv had enough people tell me off, i dont need you to save the day too.... and im not that F*CKING STUPID, im not going to kill myself


thats what they all say:rolleyes:

(And yes i do love cars.. just seen alot of people hurt by them)

[Frandy]

Yay, skids are fun :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3906517937854638250&q=burnout


Frandy... :(

hmmmm......bugger :)

[blake123]

thats flippin sweet :) im a holden man myself, but i also like the look of the territory turbo :)


i agree the territory turbo looks mint all i want for my fist car is an 2002 au ford falcon or an ef xr6 or xr8 both reasonable chaep aswell

[Frandy]

yeah, a VS Exec V6, white or black, with 2nd hand Monaro rims will do the trick until im 21

Something like this... $4,900 & its manual

http://images.carsales.com.au/private/1301326.jpg
http://images.carsales.com.au/private/1301328.jpg

[S.]

I see S.'s point, and to an extent agree. It would be great if people could be trusted to use their personal judgememt to safely live their lives. I mean, on the road a 40 tonne truck is legally able to do the same speed as me in my 1350kg car. As such I could safely drive far in excess of the legal limit in many places if it was left up to my personal judgement.

However you and him seem to have a whole heap more faith in mankind than I do - it's been shown countless times that people in general are not capable of using their best judgement not to kill themselves and others.

For instance it'd be great it kids like franky could actually think "I'll wait until I'm a bit older before I buy a V8/turbo when I can afford to run it at the strip and track a bit and drive safe on the road." However it's been shown they don't think like that and as a result, can poentially wind up dead or worse, killing me. Hence restrictions in place.

Ideologically I agree with S's point, practically, I think people are too stupid.

While I agree that if you simply dropped rules altogether, you'd be asking for trouble (something of an understatement there), I have serious issues with the way that people are CONSTANTLY trying to make laws tighter and punishments harsher. In my sole estimation, many road related laws have gotten well beyond the point of common sense and are well and truly on their way to simply controlling people's lives beyond what is necessary. I also believe that the reason people think we need such restrictive laws is because they've simply become used to leaning on them rather than ever learning to do anything themselves. You can't even climb a freakin ladder over 2 metres in a workplace without a "licence" or scaffolding nowadays. Nice work you Worksafe dipshits, somebody comes up with a nice simple invention to let you get up higher quickly, easily and relatively safely, and you go and defeat the point of it ever being created by not letting people actually use it.

As always, I think education is the key, not restriction. If you give people a real idea of the dangers they can cause by driving stupidly, then I think they will actually be less likely to do so than simply by enforcing laws on them - and the particularly stupid/stubborn ones aren't going to obey the laws anyway. As so many people have said, the reason a lot of younger drivers do heaps of stupid stuff is because they haven't had friends/relatives killed in accidents, they haven't had the crashes themselves yet, and they haven't got the experience to see what can and will go wrong. You can't do much about the experience or their own crashes short of simply letting them drive more, but in the grand scheme of things - and considering how much money the governments rape motorists for in unnecessary fines - you'd think it'd be relatively simple to spend more money on driver education. Not just TAC ads, but proper education.

I agree - I couldnt give a rats if you powerslid your way into a power pole and died an a mangled flaming wreck:eek: :eek:

But...the fact is people need to be reponsible for their actions, particularly the use of large fast chunks of metal in a space where the public exist - people arent (drink driving, speeding etc) so controls are needed.

I am definitely all for personal responisiblty and less regulation of our lives - the current approach to smokers shits me to tears. But as the potential for your actions to injure or damage another party increase you are going to find yourself coming up against rules...thats what living in a society/community is about.

Yep, couldn't agree more - it's the extent to which rules go, and the way people are always trying to clamp down even more, that really annoys me. Real anarchy is impractical, unfortunately.

You just made my point...

If a drunk driver gets behind the wheel he/she knows full well that they are not able to drive, yet they proceed anyway, killing someone, that IMO is NOT an accident. The driver knew the consequences of those actions along time before he chose to do it. Maybe not murder, but DEFINATELY man slaughter in the highest degree.

It's still an accident because he's not TRYING to hurt someone. Yes the driver is negligent, yes he is at fault, and yes he should be punished, but you cannot compare any amount of negligence to intent, IMO.

You control almost all your own exposure to injury and pain when you go for a ride, but driving on the road is a totally different game of dice. If some pin-eyed individualist decides that they don't do red lights then it definitely affects me, and I'd say that is is entirely reasonable of me to want to minimize my exposure to risks imposed on me by this sort of driver. You will always have to accept some risks you can't control, but that is very different from fatalistically accepting them.

When you're using common resources like roads, you should be willing to accept that reasonable common standards should apply. It's all fine and well to say that people can choose their own risks, but realize that role models for total individualism and zero rules include countries like Iran, Malaysia, China and Thailand. Having driven in the eye-bulging madness of two of those countries and seen the carnage on the roads there, I state with authority: having road rules and an system for enforcing them is a very good thing compared with the alternative.

Um, no, you accept the risks and that's that, whether you like it or not (and most of the time it's "not"). If you didn't, you wouldn't go riding/driving/gambling. There is no ombudsman to be your backstop here, you either take the risk or you don't. I think what you're implying here is that sometimes you can't actually know what the risks are, but on a secondary tier, you also have to accept the risk that the risks are higher than you anticipate. If not... don't get in the car. Don't ride that bike. Don't breathe polluted city air. And so forth.

The key word here is REASONABLE common standards. Impounding people's cars for doing burnouts? That's not reasonable. Fining people for doing 103 in a 100 zone? That's not reasonable. Continually increasing the punishments doled out to otherwise well-meaning motorists? Also not reasonable. Constantly making laws "tougher" in spite of the fact that accidents still happen, and various idiots still ignore the laws regardless of what they are? Sorry, having a hard time finding any way to call that reasonable either. A lot of this is just hyperbolic momentum, people are just never satisfied with any kind of safety standard because SOMEONE COULD STILL GET KILLED. It's either an irrational, over-the-top fear of death (which ironically is pretty pointless since so far mankind has a pretty solid record of people dying at some point), or the holier-than-thou mindset, or a combination of the two. Either way, it's pretty ridiculous.


A few hundred people get killed, Australia-wide, each year in car crashes. People get all antsy about inexperienced drivers being "over-represented" and having more crashes than should be allotted to them based purely on numbers - what the hell else would you expect? If at any stage the 30-40 year old age bracket suddenly had the most crashes/fatalities, wouldn't that absolutely scream "counter intuitive"? Everyone is out on the road doing the same thing, and the inexperienced ones fuck up more - WHAT A REVELATION. And in all honesty, it shouldn't be any other way.

[julianwisbey]

Sorry if i sound stupid...
But i HAVE driven a car, 3 times (twice at a farm), a VC Wagon at 80km/h fanging it round corners :) And also an old Dihatsu 4wd, i did a 4 gear burnout in that :D cause we were in a paddock. I know how a car handles, not well, but i have been behind the wheel of 3 different cars, so im not THAT bad and dreaming THAT much. I have done a powerslide in the VC, spun out though, held it for a bit but :p Just practise, im going up there for chirstmas again...

I have also driven my mates sisters car in a carpark. I floored it but the front wheels wouldnt spin around corners :p I have a fair idea of how the car feels at about 60km/h and how it feels under braking :)

Cheers
hey mate woopty fucking doo you can drive a car im 14 and can drive competently and fuli sick drift and burnouts bro in a datsun king cab bro
driving on a farm if a fuckload different you handle diffrent brake diffrent less room to make mistakes and your a fool for wanting a bogan mobile so you can sell you kidneys for a tank of petrol where i live the back country lanes a littered with crosses memorials a good friend died in a car acident at our school driving his ute with no belt he hit a tree and slid for 50metres and that was fucking horiffic dont cut your life short by being a fuck bag


julian

[DiMmY]

hey mate woopty fucking doo you can drive a car im 14 and can drive competently and fuli sick drift and burnouts bro in a datsun king cab bro
driving on a farm if a fuckload different you handle diffrent brake diffrent less room to make mistakes and your a fool for wanting a bogan mobile so you can sell you kidneys for a tank of petrol where i live the back country lanes a littered with crosses memorials a good friend died in a car acident at our school driving his ute with no belt he hit a tree and slid for 50metres and that was fucking horiffic dont cut your life short by being a fuck bag


julian


Ever heard of punctuation?

[exvitermini]

For instance it'd be great it kids like franky could actually think "I'll wait until I'm a bit older before I buy a V8/turbo when I can afford to run it at the strip and track a bit and drive safe on the road." However it's been shown they don't think like that and as a result, can poentially wind up dead or worse, killing me. Hence restrictions in place.

Ideologically I agree with S's point, practically, I think people are too stupid.


I used to be somewhat like franky when I was his age (hopely not "FULLY SICK BRO" tho). I used to dream of plain black supras(before F&F) and s13/14's,but now I don’t even want a car as I have herd of to many people crashing and nearly killing themselves.. And with the ever growing price of petrol and insurance costs the thought of owning a hi performance car starts to sound even stupider..

[Frandy]

julian.....did i ever say that i could drive great.....did i ever say that i could handle a car on the road.....did i ever say that i thought i was sick cause i tryed to pull a powerslide...the answers are no, no & no :) btw, nice car :) wish i lived on a farm :(

[tommydh12]

Tom, iv had enough people tell me off, i dont need you to save the day too.... and im not that F*CKING STUPID, im not going to kill myself

lol hahah fair enough well go find some friends who don't give a fuck about u cozz i shore wont when ur wrapped around a tree!

[NCR600]

If you want to behave like a hoon on a public road, ride a motorbike until you are 25. At least that way you take less innocent bystanders with you when you screw up.

Trust me, I know. I got my car L's at 24, AFTER losing my licence 5 times on a bike (theoretically anyway, I ran a NSW/Vic/Qld trifecta until the computerised system came in)

If you make it to 25, you will pretty much be a responsible car driver. If you only ever drive a car, you become very blase about having a prang, due to invincibility conferred by the steel glass & plastic cage surrounding you. Stuff up on a bike you will get some hurt. Stuff up on a bike in an urban area, or in traffic, you will end up dead, very hurt, or worse, very hurt THEN dead.

Frandy, driving a car 3 times at 15 does not give you any idea of how difficult it is, nor of the responsibility of piloting a 2 tonne pile of potential scrap metal around the idiots that use our roads.

Go buy yourself a nice little 250cc motorcycle and survive for 3 or 4 years. Then you can talk with some authority.

I have had to bury my mates. some of those dead mates have had to bury their own dead mates. Ride a motorcycle for a few years, with others who ride motorcycles, and you will quickly learn about both personal responsibility, AND the culpability of others actions.

[DeSloth]

Yeah, Drift is like...fully sick!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3832365887830840180&q=car+accident

Frandy... please don't end up getting chopped out of a car wreck. You're talking (well, typing) like most of the people that do.

[-Jordan-]

Felt the need to post this up.

This guy has got some serious skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4-xnGFR50

:D

[Frandy]

lol hahah fair enough well go find some friends who don't give a fuck about u cozz i shore wont when ur wrapped around a tree!

looks like i already have one :)

[bazza]

looks like i already have one :)


hahahah that dude didnt make much sense. if you havent got what we are trying to get across to you i will lay it out for you.
1. go and do an advanced driving course ASAP, its mad fun and teaches you some really good skills and you will learn so much more than driving on the farm or sitting with a driving instructor in peak hour traffic.
2. cars are fucked and you can die so easily on the road so don't plan on being a dickhead.
3. nobody likes a bogan
4. don't worry so much about having your first car as the flashest thing on earth, i wouldnt recommend getting a v8 at all for a few reasons the main being insurance, make sure you check it out and get some quotes because when you move out of home its going to be one bitch of a thing to pay while trying to live at the same time.
5. don't gloat about being a sick driver and pulling skids, drifting sideways etc etc everyones done that stupid shit and will usually just shake their head at you.
6. if you want a car that will turn heads learn some skills and start making some friends at local car clubs, nothing like a sweetly shaved truck or merc rolling on air than pulling up and laying out on its ass. its pretty sweet and takes a lot of hard work and actual hands on modification (no bolts on here)
7. enjoy your car but dont be a dickhead bogan.

hope this helps you frandy.

[W2ttsy]

Felt the need to post this up.

This guy has got some serious skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4-xnGFR50

:D

its also a closed set with stunt drivers and a safety crew that knows exactly whats going on.

W2ttsy

[-Jordan-]

its also a closed set with stunt drivers and a safety crew that knows exactly whats going on.

W2ttsy

I know that... out of the really bad movie.. but it doesn't change the fact he still has skill. :p

[Frandy]

hahahah that dude didnt make much sense.

That made plenty of sense....he is my mate and he said go out and get some friends who dont give a shit if I die, and then he said, i wouldnt, which means he doesnt give a shit, which means i have one friend who doesnt give a shit if i wrap myself around a tree :)

And yes....i get all the flippin points, i know you all think im a bogan, but i swear im not, and im not trying to brag, i just asnwered some1's question when they asked me if i had got behind the wheel of a car before....

[W2ttsy]

it is a roundabout tho so its not too hard to get it locked at a certain angle and just hold the accelerator down. even i managed to get that going at a skid pan.

W2ttsy

[leitch]

which means i have one friend who doesnt give a shit if i wrap myself around a tree :) wow... you're a lucky guy.. i wish I had friends good enough not to care about my safety.... i envy you

[leitch]

Try telling Porsche that - look at the Cayenne Turbo. V8 Twin turbo 331kw, 620nm from just 2,250rpm.


and Audi - RS6, twin turbo V8, 330kW...... blah blah

[Frandy]

i saw an Audi RS6 at the motorshow this year, they look flippin sweet in the flesh :D The guy there 'popped' the hood and gave us a look at the meat :) Very nice car

[leitch]

i saw an Audi RS6 at the motorshow this year, they look flippin sweet in the flesh :D The guy there 'popped' the hood and gave us a look at the meat :) Very nice carmmm a guy at my school drives his daddy's RS4 in every now and then. they're such nice cars.

[Frandy]

yeah sorry, it was an RS4, not a 6. There isnt anything as a 2006 RS6 is there?
But it was deffinantly an RS4 at the motorshow, my bad :p

[and1]

i know at least 300 kids my age that want to do the exact same thing.

Ok name at least 150 of them!

i got myself 150 posts on a Commie forum that has taught me alot about stuff to do with them, so im not completely flippin stupid.

I hate to break it to you, but a commdore forum isn't exactly going to be a source of pure intelligence or brilliance. If posts on a forum counted for shit in life I would be beating nathan rennie down the track and Rik would be shaun palmer.

This thread really does serve to reinforce my belief that Aussies in general are tightarse, holier-than-thou wowsers with an absolute obsession with telling other people what to do. OH MY GOD A BURNOUT HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONCEIVE OF SUCH AN EVIL, DANGEROUS ACT! CHUCK HIM IN JAIL!

S. people aren't just getting on this kids case about doing burnouts - I couldn't give a fuck about that, but when you come flying round a blind corner or trying to slide through a roundabout or other fucking stupid shit near someone else then you deserve to get flamed by everyone. I sure as hell don't want some douchebag thinking he's top shit in a car crashing into me - which has already happened. When you put other people into the equation then it becomes everybodies problem.

To all you naysayers: just cause you didn't have a flash car when you were young doesn't mean others can't.

By all means - have a flash car - I don't care what you drive compared to me, I just dont want some other dudes car - flash or not - running into me when he's deliberately driving like a douche. What about if they have an accident as a result of their carelessness/stupidity? Hospitals are full enough as they are, and then we've got to rush little timmy to the emergency room because hes bleeding out his guts. While he's at it he has reaffirmed the p plater stereotype and successfully helped in pushing up insurance premiums for everyone else.

I'm in the process of saving for a "flash car" at the moment, but when I get it I'm not going to be acting like a general idot just because my car looks cooler than someone elses. But thats all besides the point - he isn't even talking about a flash car. He wants a commonwhore, whats so flash about that? Why would anyone be jealous of someones $3000 machine that has had more owners than a prostitutes had clients, and more problems than she has STDs? Not me thats for damn sure!

I think you're missing the analogy here. When you go riding, you accept there's a multitude of risks, which you can't control all of. Sometimes you will stuff up and crash, other times something will go wrong that you couldn't foresee (mechanical problems, stick in spokes, or if you're in the start gate at thredbo you might get a 100kg rock roll over you).

S. I think your missing the point. Yes theres risk involved in pretty much anything you do. I fully accept that when I drive to the shops by some unforeseen circumstance I would spin out of control and kill someone or myself or do damage to my car or someone elses. The point that people are trying to make is though but being sensible you are greatly reducing the chance of an accident or fatality. Yes theres always going to be a risk but theres always a way to reduce such risks.

This thread is hilarious. :p

Its obvious we are on a non car related forum.

Continue the comedy routine. :D

No shit sherlock...

[V10]

Well done frandy! This thread is very funny i think you have found all the people on farkin with shed loads of time to spare, writting page long replys> Ha Ha. But on a serious note i think all the above replys go a long way in educating a young up coming driver. Even if some of the replys are nana crap. Im only sort of new to farkin but i come from a fairly long time in high level motorsport (still am). I think its great to have all types of ideas thrown out into a forum. Coz everyone has an answer, but no one has the answer.Top work guys/grrls

[V10]

Hey exvitermini your right Simon from Nizpro has built a 750Kwt BA/BF falcon motor but it is not a daily driver. Also at the moment its not EPA legal. But there are a few 600-800Hp turbo falcons getting around melb at the moment.

[bmgal666]

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=47127&highlight=cars

Has already been done but in post your ride..

Good luck with the V8. Will cost you a fortune to run very soon, and dont they only make 190kw or so of power? A V6/straight 6 will do that these days.


No V8's until you are 25? are you sure?
They allready have no V8s/turbo's when you are on your p plates, 25 seems to be a bit extereme. Not that I care, we do not have any restrictions in the ACT.

Nup robb is rite its once your off your green p's in nsw any wayy...

[bmgal666]

Well done frandy! This thread is very funny i think you have found all the people on farkin with shed loads of time to spare, writting page long replys> Ha Ha. But on a serious note i think all the above replys go a long way in educating a young up coming driver. Even if some of the replys are nana crap. Im only sort of new to farkin but i come from a fairly long time in high level motorsport (still am). I think its great to have all types of ideas thrown out into a forum. Coz everyone has an answer, but no one has the answer.Top work guys/grrls
Nice what do you race?? im racing at the Parramatter speedway in the jouniour devision... 14-17 yearolds can race. dont race on the roads its just stupid, why risk your life on a road when help is usually 30 min away. on a race track help is 15 seconds away and there are firetrucks and ambos on stand by.

cheers,
brett

[Mr jesus]

i used to be into all this burnout shit and wanted to do that for the rest of my life until one day walking down the street turn my head because i hear some tyres screaching to find a bogan in a commonwhore smoking the rear wheels then to watch as the back slides out he hits a parked car which he bounces off and then goes sliding onto the footpath i was just walking on into a house luckily this house had no fence off the grass and speeds away i get his number plate tell the owner and alter find out hes spending the next 10 years unable to drive.

The worst thing about this expieriance is knowing that if i had left my house 10 secs later or got held up at a traffic light i may not even be posting this story and could of spent the rest of my life in a wheelchair being spoonfed...

I still go in cars doing burnouts but never on the road or near people i.e. in the park driving lot. Seriously what is the point of having a car than can do 300kph+
when all your going to do is drive it on the road where the speed limit is 100kph.

Cars and burnouts are childsplay grow up.

[V10]

Hey Brett good to hear your in there ripping it up! The last 10 years I have been contesting the australian rally championship and also the vic state championship. I have also raced in the australian superbike championship.

[bmgal666]

Also Frandy go join a friggen speedway club if you want to drift... choose from 700hp V8s (supersedans), 850hp V8 open wheelers(sprintcars), 200-450hp v6s(Moderfied production[join this class we need lots more in sydney area still fun]), 4cil turbo openwheelers(litre sprintcars), or street stocks

Thanks v10. My Parents wont let me near a motor bike lol

cheers,
brett

[Breaka]

Respect your views on "fast cars"....but.

Seriously what is the point of having a car than can do 300kph+.

Why have a bike that is strong enough to with-stand the pressures of a 30foot huck, even though you may only be able to huck 10 foot?

[-Jordan-]

Respect your views on "fast cars"....but.



Why have a bike that is strong enough to with-stand the pressures of a 30foot huck, even though you may only be able to huck 10 foot?

Don't want to get into this fight here.. just want to point out:

It is still legal to do 30foot drops even though you can only do 10,

while it is illegal to do 300+ km.

[Tomas]

Don't want to get into this fight here.. just want to point out:

It is still legal to do 30foot drops even though you can only do 10,

while it is illegal to do 300+ km.

Most cars that go 300km/hr are extremely bloody nice to drive. And ill spend my money on what i want. Fuck to your opinion jealous git.

[-Jordan-]

Most cars that go 300km/hr are extremely bloody nice to drive. And ill spend my money on what i want. Fuck to your opinion jealous git.

Re-read what I said.

I never said "don't go buy a fast car because they are useless etc etc".

I was replying to the comparison between the fast car and strong bike.

Hell... if I had enough money I'd get a nice car too.

[Tomas]

Re-read what I said.

I never said "don't go buy a fast car because they are useless etc etc"