Are you a tour promoter?

[wombat]

Are you a tour promoter? If you are, then chances are I hate you right now.
Why you ask? Because you seem to have very little grasp of the concept of "time". At least it seems this way.

Like many others on here, I heard late this week about the "Tool" tour planned for early next year. The two shows (how the hell is two shows a "tour"?!) are set for late January 2007, and the annoucement has been made in mid August, slightly more than 5 months prior to the gig. That's cool, you promoters have to build up hype and all that jazz, and at least it gives people plenty of time to think about whether or not they want to go, right?

Wrong.

Sure the announcement was made more than five months before the tour itself, but only one week before the on sale date for the tickets! That means that tickets essentially need to be purchased FIVE WHOLE MONTHS before the gig!

So not only do I have only one week to decide if I actually want to see the band, but I have only one week to decide if it's going to be possible for me to see them in five fucking months!

This is only compounded by the fact that although no one is going to admit to it, it's pretty damn obvious Tool are also going to be at the BDO, an event who's details won't be known for sure until well after I've been forced to make my decision on the Tool tour.

So what's my point?
Why the fuck are tickets for a one night show going on sale 5 months prior to the gig date, but only 1 week after inital annoucement of the tour?!

"We want to give you time" you say? Well maybe I'd buy that for something like Falls or Splendour, where a lot of effort needs to be made to secure transport and accomodation for something that last a few days and is in a relatively small, secluded spot, but we're talking about a one night show here, and it's not as though Sydney or Melbourne are lacking in either transport options or accomodation! To boot, those shows were announced well before the on-sale date for the tickets.

"We need time to sell the tickets" you say? HAH! Falls sold out in 3 HOURS, and Splendour tickets didn't hang around either. The Tool tour may only have one act but it's a damn big one and they haven't been here for 5 years; I bet these tickets don't last a week. No way in hell you need 5 months.

To me it seems as though we have a promoter who is hoping to pull as many Tool fans as possible to a side show (with tickets at $115) before telling them that they'll probably want to go to the BDO as well, to see Tool again, as well as plenty of other acts (for probably around $115).

Fuck you.

[leitch]

agreed.

Red Hot Chili Peppers touring early ext year (13 April in Brisbane), but the tickets go on sale the 1st of September! Why? Its f*ckin rediculous, how the hell am i supposed to know what i'm going to be doing on the 13th of April - NINE MONTHS AWAY!?

needless to say i'll be buying tickets...

[shmity]

It also means they have $115 x however many tickets there are for sale working for them instead of the 115 dollars in your account working for you. Imagine the sort of intrest U2s promoter has erned with his millions of dollars from that tour.

[bazza]

i hate you too man. just buy the tickets and stop whinging.


EDIT: probably buy a few if you have the $$$'s. I am sure they will sell out within an very very short time period and ebay will than become your friend. scalping rules.

[ajay]

Its f*ckin rediculous, how the hell am i supposed to know what i'm going to be doing on the 13th of April - NINE MONTHS AWAY!?

going to the gig by the sounds of it!

i dont go to see many concerts, so the ones that i DO go to (Joe Satriani was the last) i dont give a fuck how much, how long etc, ill base my time around it.

Anyway, the only forseeable reasons that i can see in the tour promotors interests are 1. money - Shmitty's reasons.... 2. gauging interest, if they can sell out a concert 5 months in advance, chances are that they could sell another one or two more shows... but were the tickets sold 2 weeks prior (or whatever) it doesnt give them an idea of potential...

apart from that, i agree with ya wombat - go'an get farked:mad:

[ajay]

Its f*ckin rediculous, how the hell am i supposed to know what i'm going to be doing on the 13th of April - NINE MONTHS AWAY!?

going to the gig by the sounds of it!

i dont go to see many concerts, so the ones that i DO go to (Joe Satriani was the last) i dont give a fuck how much, how long etc, ill base my time around it.

Anyway, the only forseeable reasons that i can see in the tour promotors interests are 1. money - Shmitty's reasons.... 2. gauging interest, if they can sell out a concert 5 months in advance, chances are that they could sell another one or two more shows... but were the tickets sold 2 weeks prior (or whatever) it doesnt give them an idea of potential...

Apart from that, i agree with ya wombat - go'an get farked:mad:

[leitch]

going to the gig by the sounds of it!haha you betcha.... for the RHCP, i'll still buy tickets 9 months in advance - i'll make time for it... but that doesnt mean i cant argue about how stupid it is - hypocricy rules! :rolleyes:

[Ivan]

I thought they had more than two shows planned eek! Meh, If you reall really like a band, then seeing them at BDO just isn't going to satisfy you like a non-festival concert would. I have a huge list of regrets, of bands that i have seen at BDO, but never bothered to see their private shows, and all my mates told me they were awesome. Chilli peppers is on that list. Now I have to decide whether i want to fly to my nearest capital to see Tool. The ticket to see Tool will probably be the cheapest part of all of it...

[Tomas]

No kidding chilli's will set a new sellout timeframe record.

Is anyone not going?

[leitch]

No kidding chilli's will set a new sellout timeframe record.

Is anyone not going?

got 6 pre-book tickets already :D

EDIT: agreed, Binaural, Blood Sugar Sex Magic has got to be my favourite album, but im still not going to miss the opportunity to see them.. twice... (BDO)

[Binaural]

No kidding chilli's will set a new sellout timeframe record.

Is anyone not going?

I'm not. The last two RHCP albums have been huge disappointments to me. Bring back the days of Mother's milk and Blood Sugar Sex Magic! I like Californication and One Hot Minute as well, just not as much. RHCP is a shadow of what they used to be :(

[and1]

Tour promoters should adopt a similar system to local acts and smaller scale events by having different releases of tickets. Eg early bird, second release and final release. Reward those who want to get in earlier with a cheaper and those last minute deciders can pay extra. If you really want to see an act you'll make time to see them, otherwise don't buy a ticket.

[mtb1611]

What an absolute load of bollocks this thread is. Whinging because you can't possibly know what your schedule holds for you in a few months time? FFS, you'd probably whinge if you won Lotto and they told you you'd have to come and collect the cheque.

[tu plang]

what pisses me off more is that tool have only announced the two shows and have only alluded to further shows. if i knew for sure there would only be syd and melb id buy a sydney ticket but im fucked if im doing that just to be greeted by the anouncement of a brisbane show.

[bazza]

What an absolute load of bollocks this thread is. Whinging because you can't possibly know what your schedule holds for you in a few months time? FFS, you'd probably whinge if you won Lotto and they told you you'd have to come and collect the cheque.




ahahhahah. soz wombat.

[wombat]

What an absolute load of bollocks this thread is. Whinging because you can't possibly know what your schedule holds for you in a few months time? FFS, you'd probably whinge if you won Lotto and they told you you'd have to come and collect the cheque.
Cheers mate, but a far fetched comparison is no substitute for an argument with substance.

[wtr]

bazza, this (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=bazza&word2=wombat) is what sprung up when I'm "look at you" and wombat in this thread.;)

Beware the wrath of the drop bear.:eek:

[bazza]

bazza, this (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=bazza&word2=wombat) is what sprung up when I'm "look at you" and wombat in this thread.;)

Beware the wrath of the drop bear.:eek:

how the hell was a stupid nick name ever going to defeat an animal. seriously.

i do see this in the not to distant future though.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/matthew_only/tickets_wideweb__430x286.jpg

[Cave Dweller]

I think everyone has missed the point.

The sydney show is at the entertainment center. It has shit sound, and a shit seating arrangement, you are either close sitting sideways, or front on way at the back, and the second one twot face stands up you can't see shit.

I saw the chillis there and i was disappointed with the sound etc.

I love tool, but i would rather spend the money on some good quality headphones to listen to Tool cd's :D

[mtb1611]

Cheers mate, but a far fetched comparison is no substitute for an argument with substance.

Well when an argument with substance is initiated, please let me know and I'll willingly contribute in an appropriate fashion. FFS, if you want to see the band then buy a ticket and write it in your diary so as to avoid a clash of appointments; if you're unable to organise your time in such a manner stay tuned and those of us with a tad more logistical prowess will inform you as to how the gigs went.

[Rik]

You want to see a band that hasn't been here for 5 years, so you're given a week's notice to cough up $100 for a date that's 5 months away, knowing it'll sell out within 3-5 days. To make matters worse, about 6 major gigs (probably of common interest to Tool fans) have gone on sale in one month.
Fuck that :eek:

Festivals are getting stupid too, Falls selling out in 3 days, without much of a lineup advertised! It's obscene, gigs and festivals are becoming the thing to attend, which is cool for the scene but you are pretty much forced to gamble a few hundred dollars buying tickets to an event whose performers you don't even know. Meh, I'll stick to the cheap local pub gigs, why pay $70 to see a local band play a 5,000 seat venue when you can see many "next big things" of the future rip up a dodgy pub for $10 :D

[bazza]

You want to see a band that hasn't been here for 5 years, so you're given a week's notice to cough up $100 for a date that's 5 months away, knowing it'll sell out within 3-5 days. To make matters worse, about 6 major gigs (probably of common interest to Tool fans) have gone on sale in one month.
Fuck that :eek:

Festivals are getting stupid too, Falls selling out in 3 days, without much of a lineup advertised! It's obscene, gigs and festivals are becoming the thing to attend, which is cool for the scene but you are pretty much forced to gamble a few hundred dollars buying tickets to an event whose performers you don't even know. Meh, I'll stick to the cheap local pub gigs, why pay $70 to see a local band play a 5,000 seat venue when you can see many "next big things" of the future rip up a dodgy pub for $10 :D


and the beers are cheaper. nothing else i would more avoid than massive crowds all trying to watch a gig. venues like the arena and the rev (non-existant now i think) were pretty freakin sweet but anything bigger would just be crap and annoy the hell out of me. i couldnt even stand the crowd at alexisonfire let alone 1804083481834689 bogans at another other gig bigger than that (taste of chaos etc etc)

[wombat]

Well when an argument with substance is initiated, please let me know and I'll willingly contribute in an appropriate fashion. FFS, if you want to see the band then buy a ticket and write it in your diary so as to avoid a clash of appointments; if you're unable to organise your time in such a manner stay tuned and those of us with a tad more logistical prowess will inform you as to how the gigs went.
You've totally missed the point, it's not the mere fact that the tickets are on sale so early, it's that they're on sale so early with so little notification, and for no obvious reason, other than to try and get fans to multiple gigs.

Your intial post seemed to suggest I was looking a gift horse in the mouth, HAH! The promoters are a business, they're meant to be providing a service for which we pay money; namely bringing out the bands, putting on shows and promoting said shows.

As a customer who pays good money for their services I'm so far very unimpressed with the quality of the service they provided. Due to the nature of the business though I can't simply go buy the tickets through another promoter, as I could for say goods from a supermarket. I've tried to contact the promoter so I can put my queries to them but so far I've had little success. This thread was partly intended as a vent because I was pissed off at shit business service, and partly to see if others were of the same mind.

[rayza]

they need 5 months to sell tickets? right.they didnt last a fuckng hour.

[Cúl-Báire]

Festivals are getting stupid too, Falls selling out in 3 days, without much of a lineup advertised! It's obscene, gigs and festivals are becoming the thing to attend, which is cool for the scene but you are pretty much forced to gamble a few hundred dollars buying tickets to an event whose performers you don't even know. Meh, I'll stick to the cheap local pub gigs, why pay $70 to see a local band play a 5,000 seat venue when you can see many "next big things" of the future rip up a dodgy pub for $10 :D

Totally with Rikus on this one. Festivals are all good- if you like being a km or so from the stage. I much prefer the smaller gigs, in pubs. They have plenty of atmosphere and normally they sound much better too :) The prices are usually pretty good too and no plastic cups :p

[bazza]

Totally with Rikus on this one. Festivals are all good- if you like being a km or so from the stage. I much prefer the smaller gigs, in pubs. They have plenty of atmosphere and normally they sound much better too :) The prices are usually pretty good too and no plastic cups :p

and you only get like 10 peoples sweet instead of 28458028435248580. and the piss and crap lines are way shorter also.