V10 or M1

[BlackFire]

Rite lads,

the choice is down to keeping my M1 (2001 with 5th) or selling it and getting a V10.
V10 has more travel, more sag, it's a new bike and it's VPP, the way intense is heading as well.
m1: trusted top bike, rides like a bastard, lighter and shorter

what d'you guys reckon?

[S.]

What advantages does a V10 offer over an M1? More travel = absolute bitch to get out of (bunnyhops, pumping etc) I reckon.

[naz]

but the v10 does have the advantage of pedaling, floating brake, and also super T in kranked 5 does some amazing stuff on the v10
but the intense..is red standard :P coz itll go faster and is sexy as all hell

[S.]

but the v10 does have the advantage of pedaling, floating brake, and also super T in kranked 5 does some amazing stuff on the v10
but the intense..is red standard :P coz itll go faster and is sexy as all hell

The Intense doesn't have a floating brake because it doesn't need one, and with the 5th, the VPP makes no difference to pedalling anyway (not that it did much to begin with).

[lupine128]

don't even listen to about 90% of the answers you'll get here, even from people who are respected and trusted in the farkin community, UNTIL you have spent some time on a V10.
for no other reason than if the V10 feels better for you, and you prefer it to the M1, then change.
if not, then don't.
ask if you can ride one at a race, or a shop, or wherever, but without knowing if YOU prefer the ride characteristics of one over the other, why think about changing.
anyway., i'm grumpy and sore, so that probably sounds ruder than usual.

[larryking]

The Intense doesn't have a floating brake because it doesn't need one,

Why is this so?

4 bar linkage bikes rear wheels still travel in an arch which results in brake jack when the suspension being used under brakes...right?

Just out of interest aswell has anyone upgraded there current bikes to have a floating rear brake. Say Santa cruz Single pivot riders, Orange riders etc.

If so did you notice much of a difference between the braking with the floating brake as opposed to without it?

And as for V10 vs M1 i guess it is going to be harder to bunnyhop or pump on the v10 as opposed to the m1 due to the reasons already posted, however whats the advantage of the v10 over the M1? Hmmm i would have to say unrivaled suspension performance, so your going to have to way it up. Many people find the v10 a bit of a boat when they hop on them in the carpark and do a bit of a bunnyhop and the like.

If you have to opportunity to spend a day or so on one and actually get used to the extra sag you might find that the advantage of having your wheel on the ground all the time outways disadvantage of making it harder to bunnyhop. IMO v10 advantages far outway its seeming disadvantages.

Next year it wil be a 3 year old bike aswell so maybe a new ride might be the way to go purely because of age.

Anyway they are both great bikes and a tough choice.

[BlackFire]

cheers for all this but,

is there anyone here who could tell the difference by experience?
Anyone any ideas bout the floating vs fixed brake on the V10?

anyone ever had trouble with a V10?

As to the FSR braking: never tried a floating braker apart from an attempt i made on a foes LTS. But under braking FSR remains active like a pickpocket in a dark subway ride

[Ghost]

Throw your leg over a V10 and make the call for yourself. Bikes are far too personal to get based on an online group census. Especially the pricey ones!

[Kram]

What advantages does a V10 offer over an M1? More travel = absolute bitch to get out of (bunnyhops, pumping etc) I reckon.

You reckon, but you obviously don't own one. :D

Parking lot tests on V10's don't show you the real capability of the best bike you will find anywhere. Don't beleive the anti-hype. You will jump, hop, pump, float etc better than you ever have before on a V10.

...advice from a V10 owner and lover.

I've also ridden an M1 at whistler. It didn't feel anything like the V10. It felt like the difference between a freeride bike and a DH bike. Didn't pedal as well, particularly in the nasty rough stuff. Didnt' steer as well due to steeper head angle.

I've had one problem with my V10. I was going much faster when I hit the tree and broke my wrist. But it's all healed now, so I've got no complaints.

As for the floating brake, I've not ridded a V10 without one, so I can't compare properly.

Don't listen to all the jackasses who don't own either bike. They'll have plenty of crap advice. 8) (No offence to Socket, as he's not a jackass and he does know stuff.

[Squidly Didly]

Unfortunantly my experience with these 2 beautiful rigs is too little for me to make a decent comment. However I've had a few single pivot bikes, and it is noticable having a floating a brake mount. For general trail riding, it's pretty much a waste of money, but if you dhill (which you obviously do), it comes in handy for all those braking ruts just b4 a nice fast corner. That's where I notice the diffrence anyway. I jump back on other rigs at the same speed, and when the rear brake is applied, the wheel skips (probably adding more to the braking ruts but shhhh).

So ya I notice the diffrence, but at the same time we've seen Nico kick ass on his VPROCES2 which is a single, w/out a floating mount (to my knowledge anyway). Correct me if i'm wrong.

[toodles]

After seeing firsthand the stuff that Kram's V10 has pulled him out of, I've got to say they're a lifesaver. The M1s are an extremely nice bike though, so i reckon Gregg's advice on trying both would have to be the best advice you'll hear. It's a lot of money to drop on a toy, so listening to other opinions when both bikes a so good isn't going to help much. The proof is in the pudding. Ride them both.

[naz]

but the v10 does have the advantage of pedaling, floating brake, and also super T in kranked 5 does some amazing stuff on the v10
but the intense..is red standard :P coz itll go faster and is sexy as all hell

The Intense doesn't have a floating brake because it doesn't need one, and with the 5th, the VPP makes no difference to pedalling anyway (not that it did much to begin with).
all frames suffer from brake jack despite how well they say they are immune to it, take out the shock, lock the rear brake and try to spin the wheel to prove it, and VPP uses its linkages to cancel out pedal forces, where as 5th elements uses a threshold, and if the threshold isnt tuned properly u can lose small bumb performance

[Roadie Rob]

Okay I have ridden both and own a v10 myself I prefer the v10 but mainly because at my level it's alot more forgiving if I come up short on a jump there is a better chance of not getting pitched over the bars even though it is a big bike when it's moving it definately doesn't feel the way but the M1 probably has it over the v10 in acceleration so if you ride tight stop start type courses the m1 would be better high speed open courses v10
The guys who say v10's don't jump have never ridden one it feels better in the air and jumps better than my jump bike although if the kicker is really small and short it can some times soak it up but only if your say using a couple of rocks to jump a section
Rock Gardens v10 easy
Not really for hucking, has ten inches but three are negative so mainly used to maintain speed in rough high speed corners Yeah yeah everyones gonna say but look at super T and all that but hey those guys could huck on your sisters bike.

Also have had elite riders who have had there bike die and have had to bike whore for the day say they definately prefer the v10
Hope that helps

[Ride_Guy]

Id go a M1 for sure less pivotsto worry about and the V10's tend to get a fair bit o play in the back end cuase they have to many pivots.

[S.]

Id go a M1 for sure less pivotsto worry about and the V10's tend to get a fair bit o play in the back end cuase they have to many pivots.

THEY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PIVOTS YOU FUCKING RETARD! ahahahahah learn to count Rhys!

[toodles]

Out of interest - how much are the two frames?

[S.]

but the v10 does have the advantage of pedaling, floating brake, and also super T in kranked 5 does some amazing stuff on the v10
but the intense..is red standard :P coz itll go faster and is sexy as all hell

The Intense doesn't have a floating brake because it doesn't need one, and with the 5th, the VPP makes no difference to pedalling anyway (not that it did much to begin with).
all frames suffer from brake jack despite how well they say they are immune to it, take out the shock, lock the rear brake and try to spin the wheel to prove it, and VPP uses its linkages to cancel out pedal forces, where as 5th elements uses a threshold, and if the threshold isnt tuned properly u can lose small bumb performance

Actually, I think you're talking about brake SQUAT, and not all frames suffer from it. However, M1s do get some moderate amount of it, but it's not bad enough to warrant a floating brake. I've tried all the "take the shock out and jam the brake on" experiments on my old Norcos, and yes I know it moves - if you care to do a search, you'll find that I've said this a number of times. The V10 doesn't use the linkage (much) to pedal well, there is only 2mm or so (quoted from Dave Weagle) of variation in the axle's arc, from circular. Besides that, the V10 also uses the 5th Element, so the threshold is still gonna be there to deal with.



The Intense doesn't have a floating brake because it doesn't need one,

Why is this so?

4 bar linkage bikes rear wheels still travel in an arch which results in brake jack when the suspension being used under brakes...right?


Axle path has nothing to do (directly) with brake squat/jack - the only way I know of to have a dead-straight axle path (without using any dodgy sliding stuff) would produce worse brake squat/jack than anything else on the planet. Brake squat/jack is related to how much the axle/caliper rotates in relation to the front triangle, not axle path. For example, Canfields have very tight axle paths which have a radius of 10" or so (most are about 18-25"), but they're pretty much dead neutral under brakes.

[S.]

What advantages does a V10 offer over an M1? More travel = absolute bitch to get out of (bunnyhops, pumping etc) I reckon.

You reckon, but you obviously don't own one. :D

Parking lot tests on V10's don't show you the real capability of the best bike you will find anywhere. Don't beleive the anti-hype. You will jump, hop, pump, float etc better than you ever have before on a V10.

...advice from a V10 owner and lover.

I've also ridden an M1 at whistler. It didn't feel anything like the V10. It felt like the difference between a freeride bike and a DH bike. Didn't pedal as well, particularly in the nasty rough stuff. Didnt' steer as well due to steeper head angle.

I've had one problem with my V10. I was going much faster when I hit the tree and broke my wrist. But it's all healed now, so I've got no complaints.

As for the floating brake, I've not ridded a V10 without one, so I can't compare properly.

Don't listen to all the jackasses who don't own either bike. They'll have plenty of crap advice. 8) (No offence to Socket, as he's not a jackass and he does know stuff.

I don't own one, but I have ridden a couple... plushest bike ever, but at the same time it felt too much like a motorbike for my liking :) Not just a parking-lot test either, I rode one down the bottom section of Narby, which is fast and bumpy and has a few small jumps in it. It was set up for a guy lighter than me (I'm ~90kg, he's maybe 80 or so), but even taking that into consideration it didn't suit me at all.

P.S. You must like your head angles seriously slack if you find M1s to be overly steep! :shock: 8)

[timmo]

This of course points back to the point raised in Gregg's post - Kram loves the V10, Socket doesn't.

Ride them both yourself and see!

[Agent Orange]

i'm not even gonna bother reading what people have posted...

v10's are piss weak, fat ass, sagging, non pedalling, slow cornering pieces of monkey piss...compared to an M-1....unless you wanna be a hucker or sumthing never even consider the v10.....

(this is my personal opinion)

[S.]

i'm not even gonna bother reading what people have posted...

v10's are piss weak, fat ass, sagging, non pedalling, slow cornering pieces of monkey piss...compared to an M-1....unless you wanna be a hucker or sumthing never even consider the v10.....

(this is my personal opinion)

Pissweak? Non pedalling? Good way to totally discredit everything you said...

[Hank.]

I know your looking at either a V10 or M1, but if I was in Europe I would look into a Edge dh Blade. I think there a sick frame, same sort money I think. www.edgeinnovations.co.uk
In Australia V10's would be the most popular bike at the moment. Well, at least in SE Qld, Cheaper too. IMO both are sick, to die for, kick ass top shelf bikes.

Go with what you think is best for you.
Word.

[Agent Orange]

listen socket, go use your fuckin technologically correct terms where they are useful, peoples hould know what i mean....ok sorry, i think its a pice of crap, it pedals like a fuckin pogo stick..or i think it is not the best bike in the world, it rates better than a learsport but not better than a huffy hammer....and its pedaling is similar to what i would imagine driving acar from the flinstones would be like

basiclaly it sux, stupid bike ever designed...well by santa cruz anyway

[Ryan]

I just want to disagree with Socket, because it's what everyone loves to do.

As far as V10's being hard to jump goes, I've seen Kram flow his V10 through a 6-pack that I found tight on my Trailstar...respect! Like any bike you're not used to, you can't really comment on how hard/easy it is to jump until you spend some serious time on the bike and LEARN how to make it work for you.

He also used those 10 inches of travel to ride out the greatest 50/50 case I've ever seen that same day...closer to a 20/80 I'd say ;)

[Ghost]

Pissweak? Non pedalling? Good way to totally discredit everything you said...

Fair go man. Sorry, but his opinion is just as valid as yours. He may not know a fancy term for every part of a bike, but I'm quite sure he knows what he likes and what he doesn't. You might know your technical shit, but there are awesome riders out there who don't know what brake jacking is. I think their opinion is just as important.

Like any bike you're not used to, you can't really comment on how hard/easy it is to jump until you spend some serious time on the bike and LEARN how to make it work for you.

Exactly!

As I said before, the only way to make a choice between these high end bikes is to ride them for yourself. Chances are your times would be very close and it'll come down to what rig you can get cheaper or what one you like the look of more.

Get out and ride. :D

[S.]

listen socket, go use your fuckin technologically correct terms where they are useful, peoples hould know what i mean....ok sorry, i think its a pice of crap, it pedals like a fuckin pogo stick..or i think it is not the best bike in the world, it rates better than a learsport but not better than a huffy hammer....and its pedaling is similar to what i would imagine driving acar from the flinstones would be like

basiclaly it sux, stupid bike ever designed...well by santa cruz anyway

Here's technologically correct for you: I rode two of them. They pedal fine. Seen a broken one lately?

[S.]

I just want to disagree with Socket, because it's what everyone loves to do.

As far as V10's being hard to jump goes, I've seen Kram flow his V10 through a 6-pack that I found tight on my Trailstar...respect! Like any bike you're not used to, you can't really comment on how hard/easy it is to jump until you spend some serious time on the bike and LEARN how to make it work for you.

He also used those 10 inches of travel to ride out the greatest 50/50 case I've ever seen that same day...closer to a 20/80 I'd say ;)

Maybe he's just a better rider than you? :P

I didn't say they were impossible to jump, just that I reckon they make it harder than a lot of bikes. I've seen guys on DH bikes jump rhythms that I had trouble making on my *shock* DMR as well... because they're good at it and I'm not (not implying that you're not a good rider, just that Kram may be very good at jumping a DH bike)

[S.]

Pissweak? Non pedalling? Good way to totally discredit everything you said...

Fair go man. Sorry, but his opinion is just as valid as yours. He may not know a fancy term for every part of a bike, but I'm quite sure he knows what he likes and what he doesn't. You might know your technical shit, but there are awesome riders out there who don't know what brake jacking is. I think their opinion is just as important.



Seen a broken one yet? I'm reasonably sure 2stepin hasn't broken one, so he isn't qualified on any grounds to call them weak - and in the same manner, I have no real reason to call them strong because I haven't tested one to destruction either (or in any way beaten the shit out of one to the point where it could be reasonably expected to break). So neither of us can comment on it really.

As for pedalling like shit, I seriously have no idea what the hell you're on there. Without improperly setting up the shock, I don't think it IS actually possible to make them pedal THAT badly.

[wonderllama]

can i have both... PLEASE!!!!!!!!! :D

[Agent Orange]

im not gonna bother quoting you socket, but I use the term piss weak in referance to being shit. Don't try and sound like you know what you are talking about, cause fuck, I have riden them both and sorry to say but my general opinion is that the v10 sucks. Sorry I meant I found that it didn't pedal as good as other similar bikes I have riden. Lets use the Balfa BB7 as an example, fuck the scientific terms here lets cut to the chase, it shits all over the V10, is that not good enough for you?? BB7's pedal with ease, corner second to none and takes drops umm fucking good. Man I don;t know who you think you are?? Stop reading Maddox and start talking like a man.... If I came on blabbering with techy crap how many people would understand me, I think saying it's a piece of shit would accomplish just as much....

anyway fuck it..... I cut down tree's

[lupine128]

socket, 2stepin.
this is the end of your personal argument.
now.
both of you will now stop with the personal commentary, the annoying insults, and generaly acting like retarded 4 year olds on crack.
if you are incapable of keeping it civil, don't post. if either of you post anymore dribble on this thread i'll just delete it. if you persist, i'll get you on a time out.
we now return you to the regularly schedualed program.

[Agent Orange]

ok sorry mother, I just really hate those bikes.....

there is no personal attacks here, we are jsut discussing it in a manor that suits us

[Daver]

hmm... i like the feel of the v10 and the ride of it.... both frames are a similar weight, but the intense has less things to go wrong with it. I ordered a v10... bring on January!!!

[S.]

im not gonna bother quoting you socket, but I use the term piss weak in referance to being shit. Don't try and sound like you know what you are talking about, cause fuck, I have riden them both and sorry to say but my general opinion is that the v10 sucks. Sorry I meant I found that it didn't pedal as good as other similar bikes I have riden. Lets use the Balfa BB7 as an example, fuck the scientific terms here lets cut to the chase, it shits all over the V10, is that not good enough for you?? BB7's pedal with ease, corner second to none and takes drops umm fucking good. Man I don;t know who you think you are?? Stop reading Maddox and start talking like a man.... If I came on blabbering with techy crap how many people would understand me, I think saying it's a piece of shit would accomplish just as much....

anyway fuck it..... I cut down tree's

So pissweak = shit? Why didn't you just say so? With DH bikes, saying one is weak (or pissweak) is more than likely to actually mean that it's not strong. Sorry if I took that out of context, but I'm sure you can see why. Kindly point out to me where I used scientific terms or "techy crap" rather than using my experience on BOTH (yes that's right, BOTH bikes - I've ridden them too) to say the V10 doesn't pedal like crap. Having pedalled around on earlier (Fox-equipped) M1s, I found them to be really mushy, whereas the new ones with 5ths pedal like hardtails (almost), which leads me to believe that the 5th Element is largely responsible for the great pedalling (since the design hasn't changed noticeably). This is why I find it hard to understand why you feel that the V10 pedals like shit; 5ths tend to make ANYTHING pedal well... but whatever, if you think so.

And IMO... comparing to BB7s is unfair... they're better than anything else I've ever ridden, and I'd have one if I could afford it ;)

I also believe that saying "this is a piece of shit" instead of elaborating, tends to make others take you less seriously, as it makes you sounds like you don't know what you're talking about (even if you do)... again, IMO.

[lupine128]

hopefully you both have it out of your systems now.
let it go socket. do not return to this particular discussion again. this isn't the place to have a shitfight. i thin kyou have both contributed mightily to the choice the original poster will make.
enough is enough.

[S.]

hopefully you both have it out of your systems now.
let it go socket. do not return to this particular discussion again. this isn't the place to have a shitfight. i thin kyou have both contributed mightily to the choice the original poster will make.
enough is enough.

What the fuck? This is/was reasonably civil... neither mine nor 2Stepin's last posts could be considered out of line. This is a discussion/debate/argument/whatever, if you're going to crack the whip every time people get pushy about their opinions and actively argue with others' opinions, we'll never get anywhere.

[lupine128]

i could care less if the pair of you beat each other with sticks, or just pour honey over each other and go to town. however, this is a specific question asked by blackfire, and it's now so far off topic that it just isn't funny any more. blackfire was wanting to get some opinions, and some practical feedback on his options. you have both now stated your opinions, and the reasons for them. repeatedly. and in some cases personaly. lets get it back on track. you've both told him what you think. if you now just want to continue arguing over your opinions, do it in pm, or on msn. lets let the thread get back to the original topic.

[S.]

Ok, back to the V10... oh wait, who derailed our debate about the merits of the V10 in favour of arguing about our arguing? :roll:

Blackspire: I think you could be very happy with both, they're both top-end bikes that are capable, in the right hands, of doing nearly anything. M1s are slightly lighter, IMO easier to throw around, but don't have quite the bump-sucking, huck-absorbing suspension the V10 offers.

[Kram]

not implying that you're not a good rider, just that Kram may be very good at jumping a DH bike)

I've got nothin. :D

I used to suck at jumping, then I got a V10 and I seem to be ok. Coincidence? I think not. :wink:

[S.]

Well that's cool... obviously you and the V10 get along very well together... me + v10 don't :)


Which just goes to show, for all of mine and 2stepin's arguing, it doesn't matter a shit... only whether YOU like it :)

[Kram]

I think you have a good point Socket

[Jordy]

if you've already got a good m1 then why sell it for the v10 ?.... if i had a choice between getting one of those bikes it would be a v10 but if i had the m1 i wouldn't waste the extra cash on a v10

[Acadian]

I'm with Kram and Roadie Rob. My V10 doesn't have the floater tho..but it still works super well!! Love my V10....and like Rob said, I have no problem jumping mine!!

can't comment on the M1 tho, never ridden one extensively!

[Commander Dilsnikk]

oh shite...
who started another thread on this?!?!
it always turns into a shit fight

anyway... i have zero hourse flying time logged on either bike but from what i have read/ heard (decent conversations not one line "it's crap" stuff) they are amazingly different bikes....
thus it comes down to personbal preference
many of us have been saying this for a long time but only you can really know they answer to such a question once you have ridden a variety of stuff on each rig

[toodles]

I rode both this weekend and was very impressed with them. I found the M1 a little bit easier to flick around because the V10 I rode was a bit big for me. I'm not sure how the weight compares though.

Whoever said the V10 doesn't pedal though might have ridden one without a 5th Element or one that had been set up incorrectly. I thought it pedalled exceptionally well and tracked the ground like mad.

Either bike won't let you down in my opinion.

[dick]

if u are going to spend that amount of money, why dont u just decide. if u are gonna buy that kinda bike, surely u could tell the differences between them without having to ask other people.

[Rik]

Because sometimes the initial excitement makes you're brain think "OMG a new bike liek wowz0r!!1" and it doesn't always detect nuances that a longterm owner can comment on.

[Agent Orange]

Well that's cool... obviously you and the V10 get along very well together... me + v10 don't :)


Which just goes to show, for all of mine and 2stepin's arguing, it doesn't matter a shit... only whether YOU like it :)

yeh, funnier yet we were both saying we prefer the other model....

yeh very very true, if the bike suits you then of course it will make fora better ride. the only way to truely know what is better, in the end, is to ride them both for yourself and make a judgment for yourself.

[Tomac Boy]

2 steppin, writing off a very popular, very proven, superbly crafted dh race bike is never going to go down well - particularly cause you are just some unknown dude using an alias - which could be just a snotty little 12yr old...

I rode a v10 for about a year, and i've also ridden intenses and oranges... All of which are argueably the best frames around.

This is the way i see it...

V10= Longest, heaviest, but has the best suspension around.
M1= Shorter, Lighter, with a small suspension disadvantage.

Depending on the course, either bike is capable of winning world cups.
As proven.......PROVEN (eg not pissweak - as you can't win world cups and norbas on a "pissweak" bike now can ya?)

I loved my v10, and was the most amazing thing i ever rode, on the usual smooth, tight QLD course a shorter and lighter bike may have been preferable(even though matt tape still did pretty darn well on one), but on more open courses like down south or world cup style courses (like the bike was designed for...) i would choose the v10 in a second.

To say - "the v10 pedals badly" - you mate are a dickhead. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but saying stupid shit like that just makes you look like a fool.

Yeah it is slightly heavier than a M1, but also slightly stronger.....how often do you want to replace your $5000 frame?

I will aggree i did have a little trouble in jumping mine, however once you get used to pre-loading more this doen't become an issue. But it makes up for this in rough sections - the bike isn't designed for trails after all is it?

The v10 can make you a little lazy with rider input and choosing the smoothest line, as its just soo stable and smooth, but this is half the fun - plowing into rock gardens with heaps of speed and simply leaning back. The bike was just sooo fun to ride, and isn't that why we ride after all?

Santa cruz also offer customer support second to none, the Australian importers will do anything for their clients.

I can't wait to grave dig this post next year after Rennie finishes his next season........then we'll see how fast the "pissweak" bike can be ridden...

[Acadian]

I can't wait to grave dig this post next year after Rennie finishes his next season........then we'll see how fast the "pissweak" bike can be ridden...

he gives a total new meaning to the term R&D!!! :)

[Rik]

Don't take this too seriously, I'm just posting for the sake of it:

particularly cause you are just some unknown dude using an alias - which could be just a snotty little 12yr old...
And how easily can that be turned around against you? It can apply to all of us here, so it's a useless line.

And secondly, what if Rennie has a kickass season? A good rider will make any bike look good.

[matty_2004]

I dunno how much of a big name tomac boy has but man.. most the people he rides with sure do!

[whywalkwhenucanroll]

Heres all u need 2 do:
1 - find 1 of both bikes 2 test

2 - work out how 2 set each 1 up properly if u dont already know

3 - ride both nice and hard

4 - take the 1 that has the nicest shape and comes in ur favourite colour.

in my opinion these bikes are sooo dam good that either 1 will do a bloody good job on a hardcore track.

p.s. im not sayin that technical stuff like head angles and quarter mile times dont matter but bikes of this callibur are sooo good that a bit of time on one and ull b able 2 do anything on it.

p.p.s. i have never riden either of these 2 bikes but have read several reviews and lengthy debates on both.

[Tomac Boy]

Rik wrote:
Don't take this too seriously, I'm just posting for the sake of it:

Tomac Boy wrote:
particularly cause you are just some unknown dude using an alias - which could be just a snotty little 12yr old...

And how easily can that be turned around against you? It can apply to all of us here, so it's a useless line.

Point taken, However -
1. I've had a year's experiance on a v10 making my opinion a bit more valid than most.
2. Im not writing off perfectly good products, which have been very proven - when people do this it angers me very much.

Rik wrote:

And secondly, what if Rennie has a kickass season? A good rider will make any bike look good.


Yeah, but let's see if the gap is widened....

[Rik]

True and true...
I think most people are keen to throw in their 2 cents because they wish they had to make a choice between the two. I know I wish I was in a position to have to choose too.

[toodles]

True and true...
I think most people are keen to throw in their 2 cents because they wish they had to make a choice between the two. I know I wish I was in a position to have to choose too.

Amen. Gee I wish I was faced with choices as hard as choosing between two bikes as kick-ass as those.

[whywalkwhenucanroll]

True and true...
I think most people are keen to throw in their 2 cents because they wish they had to make a choice between the two. I know I wish I was in a position to have to choose too.

Amen. Gee I wish I was faced with choices as hard as choosing between two bikes as kick-ass as those.

hell yeah!, doesnt everybody

[Jordy]

particularly cause you are just some unknown dude using an alias - which could be just a snotty little 12yr old...

bak off tomac boy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

us snotty little 12 yr olds know our sh!t ! :twisted: and 2steping definetly aint one of us

[bb7 rider]

tomac boy i know 2 steppin had a v10 for 2 weeks and therefore his input is just and therefore does not deserve ridicule, he is allowed to put in his point and it angers me when you presume stuff about others that we can all presume about you. You have had your v10 for a while and love it but just put in your opinion dont ridicule others for there point this is not fair as it can be done to all of us un fairly. it aint worth fighting over a bike company personall prefrence is our own choice and a great one otherwise we would all be on the same bike. dont think i am having a go at you just trying to put you unfair targeting in context.

and on the topic, just keep your m1 if you are worried about dollars cause both bikes will work fine and if you dont care bout dollars, by one of each

[whywalkwhenucanroll]

i wish i was in a posision 2 buy 1 of each.

Dam, what is it with these bike vs bike forums? they always end up in a technical overload or a mad bitch sesh.

[bb7 rider]

Also socket the bb7 is cheaper than both these framesets by quite a bit.

[Tomac Boy]

bb7 rider wrote:
tomac boy i know 2 steppin had a v10 for 2 weeks and therefore his input is just and therefore does not deserve ridicule, he is allowed to put in his point and it angers me when you presume stuff about others that we can all presume about you. You have had your v10 for a while and love it but just put in your opinion dont ridicule others for there point this is not fair as it can be done to all of us un fairly. it aint worth fighting over a bike company personall prefrence is our own choice and a great one otherwise we would all be on the same bike. dont think i am having a go at you just trying to put you unfair targeting in context.


Anyone who calls v10's non-pedalling deserves much, much ridicule(not to mention a floggin ;-) ).

If his opinion is that M1's are a better bike, i can accept that. But to call V10's pissweak - that is just ignorent.

For instance, If someone did a post about components, and I posted, Thomson posts are weak, heavy pieces of shit, or
King headsets wear out and are shit.

This would be my opinion which i have every right to, but these would also be stupid outlandish incorrect statements, about ARGUEABLY the best most PROVEN components around.

Ask anyone who own's a v10 (preferably someone without "the whatever i got is the best syndrome") what they think of their v10. Im sure it won't be -
v10's are piss weak, fat ass, sagging, non pedalling, slow cornering pieces of monkey piss...compared to an M-1....unless you wanna be a hucker or sumthing never even consider the v10.....

[jmeers]

Also socket the bb7 is cheaper than both these framesets by quite a bit. want a load of shit

[Hank.]

I got me a "Carso" a few years ago.
It's better then any bike you can think of. If you dont agree I'll kick in all your farkin heads because it rocks harder then any bike on the planet!

Your all right/wrong and a bunch of tools (Tomac you know I love you)!. Get over it. There bikes for huck sake! This Blackfire dude wants a hand in picking a bike, not a punch up. I want a punch up, so if you have a problem with a M1 or a V10 come see me and I'll cut your head off ninja style. Fuck heads.
Yo yo word.

[Steve]

why o why Hank do you come on this family orientated forum and use profanity like that. Are you the devil? When you look in the mirror do you see evil crawling all over your face? Can't these poor little pasty faced tech heads who couldnt find a root in a brothel throw banter at one and other in peace? You are EVIL i cry.........EVIL. Now be gone and retreat to Lucifers lair from which you came. Theres no place for lap dogs of Satan here.

Now.....someone tell that catholic preist to get out of my ten year old

[Hank.]

Thankyou Steve.

[Steve]

Hank i think the Master censorship gods have struck.

always a pleasure.............just like ya mum said

[bb7 rider]

Sorry hank and steve wont offend you guys again allright no hard feelings hank please dont find me at thredbo on the white bb7 only one so u cant miss me, and chop my head of ninja style i will be hiding from you behind my computer.


Fair point tomac boy, but 2 steppin had a v10 and absolutly hated it, i havent ridden one so cant comment. and it looks just a little like you are the one with the what i got rules case. as i said before we are all here to express our own opinions.

[Konaman]

Tomac boy doesnt actually have a v10 so him having a case of "ive got one so its good" doesnt actually make sense.

[lupine128]

i think we have pretty much exhausted the possibilities of this thread, especialy as the original poster has made a descition. time to close it down i think.

[Mason]

Just needed to post so i'll have 500, lol