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johnny
16-11-2006, 08:57 AM
I have witnessed this side of humanity myself. It reminds me that we truly are animals at heart.

There is often nothing human about humanity.

Iraq rape soldier jailed for life

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6156656.stm
A US soldier who raped a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and helped to kill her family has been sentenced to life in prison with possible parole.

Specialist James Barker was one of four serving soldiers charged over the killings in the Iraqi town of Mahmudiya in March 2006.

He pleaded guilty and agreed to help prosecutors in an effort to avoid the death penalty.

He could serve up to 90 years in prison, the presiding judge said.

"This court sentences you to be confined for the length of your natural life, with the eligibility of parole," Lt Col Richard Anderson said.

He is expected to be eligible for parole in 20 years. Specialist Barker was among four soldiers accused of the rape of the girl and the murder of her family.

The three others - Sgt Paul Cortez, Private Jesse Spielman and Private Bryan Howard - are facing court-martial proceedings.

A fifth man, former soldier Stephen Green, has been charged in a civilian court in Kentucky with murder and sexual assault. He has denied the charges.

'I hated Iraqis'

Before the judgement was handed down on Thursday, James Barker told the court that Mr Green had come up with the plan for the rape and killings.

"He brought it up to me and asked me what I thought about it," Barker said.

"By the time we started changing clothes, it was more or less a non-verbal agreement that we were going to go along with what we were discussing."

He also confessed that he "hated Iraqis", telling the judge: "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

But he added that Iraq had made him "angry and mean" yet that he regretted his actions, telling the court he did not set out to kill or deliberately harm people in Iraq.

"I want the people of Iraq to know that I did not go there to do the terrible things that I did. I do not ask anyone to forgive me today."

Military prosecutors did not comment after the judgement was passed because the three other soldiers still face courts-martial.





I know this to be true: war changes you. Before I went into the small scale combat that I did, I was the tough c**t, I was the gunslinger that prided aggression and disdain. I came home with nothing but pity in my heart for those who have war forced upon them. For volunteer soldiers, this life is fine, but war never happens in a sterile environment. It was the innocents, men, women and children, that changed me.

Unfortunately, those who already have pity in their hearts prior to deployment can be changed too.





Lawyer arrested for Osama prank
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/lawyer-arrested-for-osama-prank/2006/11/16/1163266669409.html

November 16, 2006 - 6:57AM

A US lawyer and democratic activist spotted on a highway overpass dressed as Osama bin Laden and wielding a toy assault rifle on Halloween faces additional charges for the stunt.

Tom Connolly was charged today with terrorising and reckless conduct, in addition to the original charge of criminal threatening for the stunt in Portland, Maine, prosecutor Stephanie Anderson said in a statement.

"Halloween or not, in this day and age you do not get to dress as an international terrorist and wave what appears to be an AK-47 at rush hour traffic," Anderson said.

Police responded to calls from motorists about a man on an overpass wearing a white robe and carrying a fake assault rifle. The costume included plastic dynamite and grenades, in addition to the toy assault rifle.

Before he was arrested, Connolly walked toward officers as plastic grenades tumbled onto the ground, an officer said.

Connolly is fortunate that he was not shot, Anderson said.

"Not only was it ill conceived, it was criminal behaviour," he said.

Connolly, a lawyer, made headlines when he divulged President George Bush's drunken-driving arrest days before the 2000 election. He also has been known to don a Bush mask and dance for passing motorists.


Yeah, like bin Laden is going to be walking down the street in the middle of the US.......it's almost the Holocaust all over again. This is something that many in the US will hold onto for generations and bring it out whenever they feel like being portrayed as the victim. Of course, the hundred thousand dead Iraqis, who died so America didn't have to fight the terorists on their own soil, barely rate a mention. I just don't understand why it's ok for the US government to take a fight to a country that has nothing to do with the conflict, where it kills untold amounts of innocents, yet a bloke gets farked over for dressing like bin Laden on Halloween. There is something desparately wrong in the US today.

No, I'm not anti-American. I'm anti-post 9/11 mindset.

johnny
16-11-2006, 08:58 AM
This probably doesn't deserve its own thread, will merge it with another of mine after it gets a few views.....

scblack
16-11-2006, 09:00 AM
No, I'm not anti-American. I'm anti-post 9/11 mindset.

Fair enough, but what did the dickhead expect?

I think it a fair comment to say he is lucky he did not get shot. Grenades (toys I realise) rolling around when arrested - fool!

Cave Dweller
16-11-2006, 09:03 AM
That was so funny, i needed a good laugh this morning :D

Dozer
16-11-2006, 09:41 AM
I reckon he asked for it. The American people wouldn't appreciate the prank that he was playing because they don't like the things that happened by the hands of terrorists. I say sucked in to him, he should take up wearing women's clothes and play with some of his lawyer friends...........if he doesn't already do that. What a dumb arse.

udi
16-11-2006, 10:02 AM
That was so funny, i needed a good laugh this morning :D

haha same. i'm sure the criminal charge was totally worth it.

'Ross
16-11-2006, 02:02 PM
Its pretty funny how the guy says 'You cant be dressed like an international terrorist' I wonder how many people thought it was the real Osama:o Whole of America can't find him then he just appears on a Highway.

johnny
16-11-2006, 02:07 PM
Its pretty funny how the guy says 'You cant be dressed like an international terrorist' I wonder how many people thought it was the real Osama:o Whole of America can't find him then he just appears on a Highway.Yeah! That's exactly the way I saw it too! Stuppid over-sensative crying types! :rolleyes:

StormFire
16-11-2006, 02:16 PM
For some strange reason this all reminded me of Charlie Chaplin ...

As Chaplin became popular throughout America, "Charlie Chaplin look-alike" contests became popular. It is said that Chaplin once entered in such a contest and came in third. Other stories claim he came in second. The real story is actually worse: he did take part in such a contest at a San Francisco theater and did in fact lose. But his final standing was not recorded because he did not even make the finals.

Maybe Osama is just wandering around somewhere out in plain sight, and everyones just dismissing him as a 2nd rate impersonator ... who knows ?

johnny
17-11-2006, 12:37 PM
New article^^^^^

ajay
17-11-2006, 12:51 PM
Having not been involved in any military acts, its hard for me to comment except from what I have seen as a result of war/oppression throughout S.E Asia.

I can hardly begin to imagine real horrors of war and what change it forces upon those involved, but looking into the eyes of women/children/fathers/men and mothers directly affected by the obscenities, its inspired enough change in me to really oppose war and all that it stands for.

The rape and murder of innocents is mind bogglingly horrendous...

gravelclimber
17-11-2006, 12:52 PM
Come on, Johnny. War is the only way we are going to get peace.

Just 'cause 650 000 Iraqis have died and numerous others have been maimed, raped and tortured doesn't mean this particular war is bad. Look at all that freedom going on over there now. As Rumsfeld said; "Freedom can be a little messy". It's so good in Iraq, I'm thinking of moving there myself but my extreme patriotism to our great country has prevented me thus far.

Drizz
17-11-2006, 01:16 PM
Or if you are a Ninja (http://www.redandblack.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/12/443c71ed40b94).

Cracks me up, Pirate vs Ninjas. Can you imagine if its a Terrorists vs Ninjas
party, someone call the SWAT teams!:D

nizai
17-11-2006, 02:32 PM
I watched a documentary called Combat Diary: The Marines of Lima Company the other night, and it documents how a bunch of marines change from being very outgoing, empathetic individuals to very angry, quiet and inward minds. All after seeing their friends get blown up, iraqi's killing their fellow countrymen, suicide bombers etc etc...

Agree or disagree with the war, it is a truly horrible experience for any one on any side of the conflict to go through.

I can understand how it changes you forever. One marine said "I used to enjoy hobbies, read books, spend time with my friends. Now my friends are gone, im not interested in anything any more"

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johnny
17-11-2006, 03:09 PM
I watched a documentary called Combat Diary: The Marines of Lima Company the other night, and it documents how a bunch of marines change from being very outgoing, empathetic individuals to very angry, quiet and inward minds. All after seeing their friends get blown up, iraqi's killing their fellow countrymen, suicide bombers etc etc...

Agree or disagree with the war, it is a truly horrible experience for any one on any side of the conflict to go through.

I can understand how it changes you forever. One marine said "I used to enjoy hobbies, read books, spend time with my friends. Now my friends are gone, im not interested in anything any more"

NYet civillians like Rumsfeld are continually employed to pull the strings.

If I had my way, women would be heading up all defence depatments. They would have to be mothers and their children would all have to be in combat roles. I know it wouldn't stop war, but I'm tipping fewer wo/men would be used as cannon fodder.

scblack
17-11-2006, 03:16 PM
Yet civillians like Rumsfeld are continually employed to pull the strings.

If I had my way, women would be heading up all defence depatments. They would have to be mothers and their children would all have to be in combat roles. I know it wouldn't stop war, but I'm tipping fewer wo/men would be used as cannon fodder.

I'm sure there would be fewer casualties, in all likelihood.

But would objectives be met as often?

Drizz
17-11-2006, 03:19 PM
But would objectives be met as often?
Wasn't there a quote from somewhere that all war are penis driven?

As for meeting objectives, its only as good as the planners who set them out.

PINT of Stella, mate!
17-11-2006, 04:32 PM
If I had my way, women would be heading up all defence depatments. They would have to be mothers and their children would all have to be in combat roles. I know it wouldn't stop war, but I'm tipping fewer wo/men would be used as cannon fodder.

C'mon Johnny, you yourself should know that having a woman in charge doesn't make much difference. Just look at the reigns of Catherine the Great, Queen Elizabeth the 1st or Margaret Thatcher. Once anybody gets into the position of absolute power, all empathy goes out the window for 'the common good'

toodles
17-11-2006, 05:28 PM
If I had my way, women would be heading up all defence depatments. They would have to be mothers and their children would all have to be in combat roles. I know it wouldn't stop war, but I'm tipping fewer wo/men would be used as cannon fodder.

Yep, Elizabath Bathory, Bibi Ayesha, Bloody Mary, Queen Victoria, Zenobia, Jiang Qing.... Such peaceful delicate flowers...

If I was Emperor of the world... well lets just say after I was dead and the remnants of the human race started to rebuild, war would be the last thing on anyone's mind.

lopes
17-11-2006, 06:05 PM
Wasn't WW1 the war to 'end all wars', or was it WW2?
Obviously failed in that objective.

Those wars were not discretionary, but Vietnam & Iraq were.
It's criminal how politicians can commit a country to a discretionary war, probably against the wishes of the people.

What's worse is they get voted back in because people care more about 'perceived' interest rates than unnecessarily being involved in a war.
:mad:

Jezza1006
17-11-2006, 06:23 PM
It is bad what is happening in Iraq
If you want to see movies which (probably conspiracy theories but anyway) investigate the "truth" of 9/11, the Iraq War and Iran.
These are the links to:
"Terror Storm" by Alex Jones (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=Terror+Storm)
or, "Martial Law, Rise of the Police State" by Alex Jones (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=Martial+Law)
or if you would prefer to read go to:
www.infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com)
or
www.prisonplanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com)

Whether what he says is true or not, the evidence that he provides is interesting in what George Bush really wants to do in Iraq, America and eventually the world!!

nizai
17-11-2006, 09:14 PM
Nightmare Confirmed: Things Are Soooo Bad. . .

Sometimes in Washington after years of networking and bridge-building, doors are opened to some extraordinary meetings where elite political players and policy makers really do discuss how to govern the world while sipping wine.

I really can't discuss the participants or venue of a dinner I attended last night but suffice it to say that some of America's and Europe's leading current and former political personalities were there -- 60 people only -- and among them a few former Secretaries of State and foreign ministers, top intelligence officials, think tank chiefs, Senators and House Members, former National Security Advisors and Secretaries of Defense. The attendance list was extraordinary.

And the conversations -- on the whole -- were about the crappy condition of America's national security position. The guests in this dinner probably represented key participants in any new strategic consensus for the country. If there were brlliant, silver bullet ideas that might help this country move quickly beyond its problems, it would have been in such a crowd where such notions might be taken seriously and have impact.

But nothing. Absolutely nothing. People were depressed and dismayed about current conditions. One very, very senior Bush administration official when asked by me what ideas he had to stabilize Iraq and stop our slow bleed situation said he had exhausted what he felt was possible.

Another top tier official when another guest pushed him to move the President into some rational deal-making that might trigger a more fruitful trend, ominously said "don't hold your breath."

Many TWN readers have already known and posted commentary on how screwed America is in its current situation -- but still, it's a different thing when actually dining and drinking with folks in mega-power positions who concur



Steve Clemons of the washington note writes one of the best DC blogs ive read. Always informative. Worth a read...

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

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ExTrEmE FrEeRiDe
18-11-2006, 09:34 PM
war is fucked but is unavoidable but what i hate above all others is rape of inocent ppl in war or peace is f**king appaling like a while ago how that young girl got raped in pearth a couple of meters away from here parenst its thigns like that and the iraq case that make me think the world is turning to sh*t

mtbmamma
20-11-2006, 12:31 PM
C'mon Johnny, you yourself should know that having a woman in charge doesn't make much difference. Just look at the reigns of Catherine the Great, Queen Elizabeth the 1st or Margaret Thatcher. Once anybody gets into the position of absolute power, all empathy goes out the window for 'the common good'
Out of those three only one was a mother and, lets be honest, Maggie Thatcher was a special case. Look at Madeleine Albright, there is a woman who should have had a leading role in America and not just as Secretary of State. She has, in her words cojones, but she balances that with a sense of compassion and also, with her background, never forgets the cruelty, viciousness and hatred of war.

johnny
20-11-2006, 12:54 PM
C'mon Johnny, you yourself should know that having a woman in charge doesn't make much difference. Just look at the reigns of Catherine the Great, Queen Elizabeth the 1st or Margaret Thatcher. Once anybody gets into the position of absolute power, all empathy goes out the window for 'the common good'Elizabath Bathory, Bibi Ayesha, Bloody Mary, Queen Victoria, Zenobia, Jiang QingOut of 9 examples, only 3 women you have mentioned come from modern times.

Yes, being a woman doesn't automatically appropriate some one with inbuilt empathies and sympathies, according to studies (could not be arsed digging them up) women tend to be more vicious in interogation roles, so yes, women can be just as calous as men. I would, however, argue (with no scientific merit whatsoever) that as a general rule, women are less aggrssive and combative as men and less likely to fight for glory.

As I said, I base this on nothing other than a hunch, gut feeling, small amount of personal experience and therefore should be taken as gospel.