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R33F
20-11-2006, 02:39 PM
http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2006/11/20/1163871298426.html

Wallabies go down to Ireland

Ireland 21 Australia 6

Ireland lived up to the hype to inflict a record-equalling 21-6 Test victory over Australia in abominable conditions at Lansdowne Road on Sunday.

Everything went to script for the Irish, who rose to second in the world rankings - their highest ever standing - following a landmark win on a painfully wet and windy autumn afternoon in Dublin.

A brilliant first-half performance, which veteran local commentators rated as the finest rugby they had ever seen from the Irish, gave the home team a 15-3 lead at the break.

Running into a howling gale in the second section, the Wallabies were never going to recover.

"The damage was done in the first half," said Australian coach John Connolly.

After an early penalty goal from skipper Stirling Mortlock gave Australia a 3-0 lead, Ireland completely dominated the remainder of the half and only trysaving tackles from Matt Giteau, Mark Gerrard and Chris Latham prevented the Irish from establishing an even greater advantage at the interval.

Five-eighth Ronan O'Gara levelled the scores with a penalty in the 16th minute after the Wallabies were forced to repel 21 phases of Irish attack inside their own quarter.

Ireland finally breached the Wallabies line through a try to Denis Hickie 11 minutes later after Latham had denied the veteran winger on an earlier occasion with some desperate cover defence.

Ireland continued to mount assault after assault before fullback Geordan Murphy completed a breathtaking movement on the stroke of halftime to leave the Wallabies staring down the barrel of only their second defeat against the men in emerald green in 27 years.

O'Gara set Gordon D'Arcy free 40 metres out from the Australian line and, after his incisive run, the classy centre put Hickie away down the sideline and Murphy loomed in support inside to score.

Australia edged to within nine points with another penalty to Mortlock straight after halftime but two replies from O'Gara sealed the Wallabies' fate as conditions deteriorated.

Having dispatched South Africa 32-15 last week, Sunday's success gave Ireland back-to-back wins over southern hemisphere opposition for the first time since 1967.

The 15-point triumph also equalled Ireland's biggest winning margin against Australia, matching the 27-12 victory in Brisbane in 1979.

"In difficult conditions. I thought we were outstanding," Ireland coach Eddie O'Sullivan said.

"We held onto the ball and didn't give them possession to play with. We were rewarded with two excellent tries.

"We had a job to do in the second half and I think we got the balance right. We were a bit too flamboyant at times but I am happy with the performance.

"It was about being patient with the football. It wasn't pretty but it was effective."

Australia's cause was not helped by five-eighth Stephen Larkham being forced from the field with concussion after just 30 minutes.

The match was realistically out of reach by the time his replacement Mat Rogers and flanker Phil Waugh were sin-binned, along with Ireland No.8 Denis Leamy, for fighting 13 minutes into the second half.

Connolly and Mortlock acknowledged the Wallabies simply failed to cope with the conditions.

"It was pretty tough conditions, closest to the toughest and wettest conditions that I've played in and they certainly played better in the conditions than what we did," Mortlock said.

The Wallabies now head to Edinburgh for the final leg of their four-Test tour of Europe.

Australia A plays Scotland A in Perth on Tuesday night before the Wallabies take on Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday.

Ireland 21 (D Hickie, G Murphy tries; R O'Gara conv; R O'Gara 3 pen goals)

Australia 6 (S Mortlock 2 pen goals)

Yellow cards: P Waugh, M Rogers (Aus), D Leamy (Ire)

Referee: Marius Jonker (RSA)

At: Lansdowne Road, Dublin

Attendance: 41,000

Mr Peabody
20-11-2006, 03:33 PM
Think they missed the time for restructuring the team years ago and paying the consequences now, the rot has already set in. If they played locally would be a good match between them and the QLD Reds, id tip the Reds for the win :eek:

williamsaztek
20-11-2006, 07:32 PM
Beg Rod McQueen to come back. Pay him whatever he wants. As soon as thats sorted, lets burn knuckles at the stake..

yogibear
20-11-2006, 10:26 PM
Hey leave knuckles alone. Eddie Jones did the damage. We need a back to coach the team. Not someone who has spent their careed headbutting dudes in a scrum. Albeit one game for Eddie

Povi
21-11-2006, 08:38 AM
i think Mortlock should die.......... horrible captain horrible player
yeah and who is this kid? cmon get a real coach:p

TonyG
21-11-2006, 09:36 AM
i think Mortlock should die.......... horrible captain horrible player
yeah and who is this kid? cmon get a real coach:p

Povi??? where are you going with this. These sort of comments just show your immaturity. Have you anything constructive to add?

We can't be World Champions with every sport all of the time. These players are trying, as did Eddie Jones. He may not have coached the team how everyone wanted or got the results that we all demand, but I'm sure he was doing what he thought would be best for Australian Rugby.

Has it occured to any of you, that we may just not have the players to be world champs at rugby at the moment???

Povi
21-11-2006, 09:46 AM
fair enough but its just my personal opinion

TonyG
21-11-2006, 09:59 AM
fair enough but its just my personal opinion

Apologies if my comments where a bit harsh. I’m sure you’re not being immature, but passionate. I just think it is channelled the wrong way when you start hating your own team players, or officials when things aren’t going right.
I think we all got spoilt here in Aust, during the late 90’s where every Aussie team seemed to be world champs.

Povi
21-11-2006, 10:36 AM
hey yeah i totally agree, although im only 15 ive been a passionate follower of the Wallabies since i was maybe 7; our whole family is.I dont HATE Mortlock, and hes not HORRIBLE, because obviously he made it into the squad, but i think that his performance lately has been faltering.
Dont worry my comments might have been harsh too :)
I think its time maybe for us to realise that we cant be champions all the time

Mr Peabody
21-11-2006, 10:43 AM
Ok i will readily admit im not a big fan of Mortlock, Larkham, Latham, Gregan and all those old school tie boys. You could see the code was in trouble when they had to throw big bucks at league players to get them involved. Why hasnt the code nutured our juniors through the years so they are ready to step in and fill all these has beens shoes, too long they have concentrated on the select minority whilst good players gave up waiting for their turn and juniors lost sight of the goal. I completely agree you cant dominate for ever but its even worse to go from world champs to easy beats

Povi
21-11-2006, 10:44 AM
Our young boys are being nutured...... have you seen some of the talent coming out of GPS schools such as Joeys and View? geez, the guys in my year in our A team could easily be some of the greatest Wallabies players!

R33F
21-11-2006, 11:49 AM
Our young boys are being nutured...... have you seen some of the talent coming out of GPS schools such as Joeys and View? geez, the guys in my year in our A team could easily be some of the greatest Wallabies players!

By the time they get through their teens. Meet girls. Get cars. Find B33R. out of the 'A Team' there will only be a select few that will ever get looked at.

The rest will end up in Div 4 (legends that never made it) at their local club and become over critical of coaches, players and most other things associated with a faultering National Team.

:o

TonyG
21-11-2006, 12:41 PM
I agree R33F, every year comes a new batch of brilliant players that are about to become the greatest ever. You have you Elton Flately’s or Manual Edmonds. No doubt they where great players at junior levels, but trying to convert that to the highest level of the game doesn’t always suit their style.
Then you get some players who where nothing spectacular at junior levels, but just have great work ethic and they sometimes flourish at international level rugby.
I personally think the best team Australia could field would be.

1 – Al Baxter/Blake (need to look at this spot)
2 – Tai McIsaac – (Needs a lot of work on throwing but great scrummager)
3 - Guy Shepherdson (needs scrum training)
4 – Nathan Sharpe
5 – Mark Chisholm – Caretaker for Vickerman
6 – Rocky
7 – Phil Waugh (Vice Captain)
8 - Palu
9 – Gits
10 – Larkam – with view to hand over to a new No. 10 as one emerges.
11 – Mark Gerrard
12 – Scott Staniforth
13 – Sterling Mortlock (Captain)
14 – Hewitt
15 – Chris Latham

Bench – Many variations here.

R33F
21-11-2006, 02:08 PM
I personally think the best team Australia could field would be.

1 – Al Baxter/Blake (need to look at this spot)
2 – Tai McIsaac – (Needs a lot of work on throwing but great scrummager)
3 - Guy Shepherdson (needs scrum training)
4 – Nathan Sharpe
5 – Mark Chisholm – Caretaker for Vickerman
6 – Rocky
7 – Phil Waugh (Vice Captain)
8 - Palu
9 – Gits
10 – Larkam – with view to hand over to a new No. 10 as one emerges.
11 – Mark Gerrard
12 – Scott Staniforth
13 – Sterling Mortlock (Captain)
14 – Hewitt
15 – Chris Latham

Bench – Many variations here.

Greg Holmes instead of Baxter / Blake

Adam Frier with Tai McIsaac

I don't know about Nathan Sharpe. I would drop him.

I have to ask this...... Hewitt for Larkam ? - I think in my infinate madness it could work. (awaits flaming)

Clyde Rathbone on the wing for sure.

TonyG
21-11-2006, 02:30 PM
Greg Holmes instead of Baxter / Blake

Adam Frier with Tai McIsaac

I don't know about Nathan Sharpe. I would drop him.

I have to ask this...... Hewitt for Larkam ? - I think in my infinate madness it could work. (awaits flaming)

Clyde Rathbone on the wing for sure.

Holmes - to go back in after he has recovered. I'm a big fan of his game.

Frier - used to be a fan, but I'm not sure he has got, and I found out lately my gf once went on a date with him. Now petty jealousy won’t allow me to support him again. I'm actually thinking of mounting a public smear campaign.

Sharpe - I'm neither here nor there with him. But I'm not sure if we have anything special at this stage to replace him with.

Hewitt - Not a bad idea at all. He has the game. When the waratahs dropped Bourke, I thought they missed one of the best opportunities to pick the Aussies next No.10. Hewitt would be good; he has a great all-round game.

Rathbone - Previously my favourite winger, absolutely fearless. Along the style of the old Ben Tune. He has had the drops lately, so I dropped him from my team. I wouldn’t be upset to include him.

BIG ANT
21-11-2006, 06:18 PM
I still believe a coach can only do so much with the team he has
It is all well in good to say but look at the talent
But the talent does not have the hunger that has kept the Wallabies at the top for so long
Discipline seemed to be what let us down
Something I thought would never happen while Knuckles is coaching
The other determining factor was ball possession
The forwards really need to get into the break down and get the ball back
The ball was kept away from
No ball no points pretty simple really

R33F
22-11-2006, 06:51 AM
I still believe a coach can only do so much with the team he has

You can braid it's tail, paint it pink, put a saddle on it, but unfortunately, a donkey is still a donkey.

It is all well in good to say but look at the talent
But the talent does not have the hunger that has kept the Wallabies at the top for so long

There is no 'c**t' in the team anymore. They don't have that drive, or passion, or anger that keeps a team ontop of the podium. TonyG & I have discussed this in threads before. If we start dropping these players, I think the younger guys that have that drive would take the Wallabies back to WC contenders.

As per my post above, I make reference to Nathan Sharpe. When was the last time you saw him fire up ? I mean really play like a man possessed ?

Brendon Cannon fired up in the Bledisloe in '03 from memory, put one on the chin of Case Meews [sp?] and got flogged. That was the last time I saw him with a bit of pepper.

Yet these guys are our National Team :confused:

Discipline seemed to be what let us down
Something I thought would never happen while Knuckles is coaching

Knuckles is working with guys who don't have the drive a WC team needs. He is an interim coach that will take us to the WC next year, where we will fail, then he will be changed with Ewen McKenzie at the season end. If the players that are still there arn't performing, they will be outed very quickly.

The other determining factor was ball possession
The forwards really need to get into the break down and get the ball back
The ball was kept away from
No ball no points pretty simple really

This is Rugby Basics, I am sure knuckles was thinking the same thing from the booth. We learn this at schoolboy level.

The forwards set up a platform, the backs get good ball. We have players that have been running around in the Jersey for a long time now, they know they will be in France next year. (who is going to replace them ?) Sure a slow game here and there won't hurt, they still got their Jersey next game.

BIG ANT
22-11-2006, 07:50 AM
It seems the jerseys is not what most players are interested in
In the associated pay packet and free hair dressing that interest them most
And that where a lot of problems start with this team

TonyG
22-11-2006, 08:04 AM
It seems the jerseys is not what most players are interested in
In the associated pay packet and free hair dressing that interest them most
And that where a lot of problems start with this team

There is a lot to the current form slump, other than just missing the fire.
1 - You have players who are only just up to this level of play, so if the game goes up gear, they get left behind.
2 - You have players trying to improve their value before their contracts run out. So they play selfish.
3 - You have coaching staff trying to get a certain $ value out of player who just simply isn’t worth that much, purely because that's what they paid him. The player isn’t as good as his pay packet; he is as good as his last game.
4 - There is still some baggage left over from the last regime that needs to be corrected.
5 - As Poido said, our boys are acting like rock stars. They need to "sack-up". Apart from Phil Waugh, who I think could still finish a game despite being dead, the rest are a pack of pretty boys.

bazza
22-11-2006, 10:37 AM
i would be curious to know how much training/experience these players have in these conditions. sounds pretty bloody harsh.

R33F
22-11-2006, 11:04 AM
i would be curious to know how much training/experience these players have in these conditions. sounds pretty bloody harsh.

If they cannot handle the conditions, why are they Wallabies ?

We have toured North for many years, and we have never had to use weather as an excuse.

Ireland are running hot. They beat Sth Africa, and then Aust. They are on fire, we are not.

Super 14 rounds are held in the Sth of NZ, conditions there are not always perfect. These guys cope.