Brisbane Dirt Jumping. COUNCIL. Need as much input as possible.

[Tho-R]

Today while we were at our local dirt jumps at the end of sumners road there was a little meeting with a member of the council and another lady San-Mari helping to get some dirt jumps happening. Pro BMX rider Peter McKellar was also there.

Now while they were talking, they included that it will be for ALL of Brisbane area, not just the Sumner jumps, they will just be the start of it. They started to talk about Ferny Grove and Blue nurses and that they have been passed by the council, why can’t these jumps be of the same caliber??

What we would basically like is ANY PLAN, ANY LEGAL DOCUMENTS that could help in the process of getting council approval. It basically has to be Risk Assesment, jump designs or such and things along those lines.

These people seemed REALLY adamant about getting decent jumps around the place.

Any of the Ashgrove guys involved with the Blue Nurses if u could get a hold of the documents needed to pass the jumps by council that would be great.
The same goes with those of Ferny Grove.

If this gets passed, it could be the start of something big in the lines of general riding in Brisbane.

All help much appreciated,
Tho-R

Edit- Ah yeah, also forgot Toowoomba MTB Club, those documents for the downhill track i guess could become usefull, if u can get some photo copies i can forward it to the council.

ANY CLUB - any info to anything involving the council would be handy

**more will probably be added later.

[Steve-0]

They were also talking about making decent jumps and not just random 1 day build dirt jumps... Peter was talking about getting pro freestyle bmx's in to help and is also going to talk to the creaters of the X-games and the like in hope for some sic DJ plans.

Yeh so any layouts and docoments used to obtain council approved jump parks would be very appreciatted.

SYDNEY RIDERS we need your help :) there are alot of skateparks and dirt jumps down south and we would like to know what went on in the proccesses along the way.

These plans will be used for future neighbourhood planning and the fix up of all brisbane based parks.

Steve-0

[dcrofty]

You boys need to talk to Zoli from Adelaide. he is the man for council jumps I believe.

http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=25513
http://www.adelaide.jtcycles.com.au/sites/jt/adelaide.nsf/documents/10C9F1CB1F576D82E92571110001F31E?OpenDocument

[demo man]

Warning, this post contains 13 links, if you're supersticious, look away.


The Canberra Off-Road Cyclists (www.corc.asn.au) website has a lot of resources. CORC is probably the most successful trail advocacy MTB club in australia, so they're a good bunch to listen to. The Trail Access (http://www.corc.asn.au/trails/) page will be of particular use to you, they've got a very large number of great documents you'll be able to learn from.

The Trail Building (http://forums.farkin.net/forumdisplay.php?f=116) forum within Farkin has some good stuff too. Cheack out this page, (http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=56925) this page, (http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=55786) this page (http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=59735) and this page. (http://forums.farkin.net/showthread.php?t=56509)

You should also BUY (http://mtba.asn.au/store/?IntCatId=13&IntContId=100) this book (http://www.imba.com/resources/trail_building/trail_solutions.html) and/or this book. (http://www.imba.com/resources/trail_building/nstbd.html) They're free for MTBA members (and you should check out the MTBA website (http://www.mtba.asn.au/) as they've got heaps of trail access (http://www.mtba.asn.au/trails/?IntCatId=10) stuff too.


also, make sure you take a good look around the IMBA website (http://www.imba.com/) - IMBA know all about trail design.


Hope that helps some.
Good luck.

[bazza]

www.rockwheelers.com

get in contact with mozzie (Peter McLean) via the main page. he set up the townsville dirt jumps and did the hard work behind those ones. he may be able to pass on documents. and the good thing about this is any state confines that it may fall under will be very similar!

[Steve-0]

Thanks for the replies fellas, What we specifically need is what bazza supplied, contact details of the people behind dirt jump parks... the actuall building is not too much of an issue but stuff relating to the regulations and sizes like heights and lengths is very helpful.

We will certainly be forwarding on this info and any info yet to come onto our local council so we can get the ball rolling.

[Ryan]

I don't understand what your first post is getting at...

We already have several council approved dirt jumps around Brisbane, is the purpose of this to allow there to be more built or just to upgrade the existing ones?

Most pro builders don't work off 'exact' architect/engineer style plans, they work from sketches of how they want the finished area to look and *know* how the jumps have to be built to get the area looking that way.

Since when were the jumps at the end of Sumners NOT passed by the council? The council fricken built them. 'Roadie Rob' is the guy you want to talk with about the original plans surrounding Sumners, as he was pretty heavily involved in the original build. http://www.roadierobsbicycleschool.com/

[Tho-R]

Ok, sorry for the missunderstanding.

They are planning to significantly improve both the layout and the quality of the dirt jumps and to do this they need alot of help. Yes they are council approved, but to demolish (or move around) and rebuild, it will not be (quite oviously). And that is what (well im pretty sure) what they want to do.

Our involvement is purely research. We just pass some of this information onto the council members and they are the ones who are going to push it.

Another thing they were looking at is assigning "Cleaners" to maintain all of the DJs around the brisbane area.

They touched on using the info found for neighbourhood planning.

We also know about Roadie robs effort as they also talked about how they were first built. (also living locally we knew about it aswell)

Hope that clears it up a bit.

[Air time erik]

What areas are they looking at putting new jumps in?

Because there are No-jumps in my area but a few potenial places that jumps could be built on, is it possible to suggest these area, how should we go about doing this?

[scratchy]

Our involvement is purely research. We just pass some of this information onto the council members and they are the ones who are going to push it.


I hope you can pass on any of that research to your fellow riders in the trail building forum, we are building up a solid database of info, but every bit helps.

[t]

Call Glenorchy City Council in Tassie, ask to speak to the Guy who looks after the MTB Park, they've put in a really nice DJ area.

On a serious note, I think Farkin is the best equipt place to get a bunch of people to put their heads together and complie a generic DJ proposal with plan drawings, a list of do's and don'ts with acompaning photos, a guide to risk minimisation, etc.

Here's my tips on risk minimisation...

1. Put big case pads on all the doubles.

2. Small jumps don't teach people to pump properly, so don't build doubles smaller than 0.8m high, mabey even a meter if you have enough soil. Also the noobs are the ones that will crash and sue the council, better that they stack on a table top than nose case a double.

3. Set the site up to allow natrual progression from small to large jumps so it doesn't push riders to attempt jumps much bigger than they are comfortable with. ie. the smallest double should be a tad smaller than the biggest table top. Lines that cross from the small set to the medium, medium set to big set etc.

[Tho-R]

Thanks T.

Those are the things we are after. This is my reply to your 3.

1. Not to sound mean but we have no real influence on the design, we were just asked to get plans etc from other currently existing jumps, basically so they can create a portfoilo of information to create legal jumps wherever the council see's fit. (BTW the jump plans are being currently designed by a BMX pro)

2/3. This is something they are looking at create, just for that reason. They said the exact thing, us seasoned riders get up from a crash and go shit son, and limp home. The thing i am not sure of is whether gap jumps are legal.

Also please feel free to contact the your local councils to get some info. If they wont get it for you i can get an official to source out the information.

[t]

It's highly unlikley that there is an actual law against doubles, they just don't fare well on a risk assesment.

Once the council is given a draft of the design they'll conduct a risk assasment on it. they basically need to detirmine if the benifit to the comunity out weights the risk of being sued. The council have guides to help whoever is tasked with undertaking the risk assesment, I've worked through a few for public events and without the guide I'd have been totally lost.

Most likley the council (most councils for that matter) doesn't have a guide for DJ's which could cause pretty big delays or even rejection of the proposal. I'm suggesting that you rally the farkners over in the trailbuilding section write that guide because at the moment it doesn't exist.

[will...]

It's highly unlikley that there is an actual law against doubles, they just don't fare well on a risk assesment.



Here in Brissy, I frequent at the Blue Nurses jumps. Whenever we build up the lips and landings, the council come and fill in the middle and knock down the lips/landings and one time they said that this was because there is a rule that all jumps have to be rollable. Don't know if this is true.

[t]

Here in Brissy, I frequent at the Blue Nurses jumps. Whenever we build up the lips and landings, the council come and fill in the middle and knock down the lips/landings and one time they said that this was because there is a rule that all jumps have to be rollable. Don't know if this is true.

that makes sence, rollable is safe.

[bazza]

that makes sence, rollable is safe.

this is true. even if its the 'big line' it should still be rollable, however can still have lips and built up landings. it just means someone is going to break a colorbone if they stuff up or get a few scratches and not smash their face in or destroy their spine etc etc etc.

[FR Drew]

CORC in Canberra is in the process of submitting a dirt jumps proposal right now. At present it's with the local community body for their final inspection and comments. Having the local area/community interest body supporting your proposal is always a help.

I'll run it past the CORC Trails Advocacy team and provided they have no objections, I'll shoot you a copy of our proposal so you can see the risk assesment/mitigation stuff that we've put in.

I'm hoping that following final approval by the community body, our proposal will be with the relevant government department in 3 weeks time.

PM me some email contact details.

Drew

[will...]

this is true. even if its the 'big line' it should still be rollable, however can still have lips and built up landings. it just means someone is going to break a colorbone if they stuff up or get a few scratches and not smash their face in or destroy their spine etc etc etc.

Hmmm, yeah, I think it does depend on the council, because in Brissy, the jumps that have to be rollable are under control of the Brisbane City Council, but the Albany Creek Jumps, under control of the Pine Rivers Shire, have nothing in the middle, (4 out of 5 jumps have nothing in the middle) and if you rolled the big set, you would fall ~2m into the middle and that would hurt.

[Booost]

if you rolled the big set, you would fall ~2m into the middle and that would hurt.

bahahaha that would be classic